Opinion "Bürgergeld Propaganda" - On the unemployment payments in Germany and propaganda related to it - the situation is dire

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Translation by yours truly. Original article [A] by Danisch
Bürgergeld is the government paying for unemployed people, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bürgergeld


"Bürgergeld Propaganda"​


What's happening in social media.

There are a few calculations according to which working in Germany is no longer worth it. In the lower wage brackets, you can't compete against Bürgergeld anymore. In the upper wage brackets, taxes and other deductions are too complicated.

And it is obvious that fewer and fewer people go to work because it's just no longer worth it, instead they go on Bürgergeld and let themselves be kept up by the taxes paid by others.

Even a few years ago, when it was still called "Hartz IV", somebody from the package delivery industry told me that, for a few years, they were unable to find any drivers and other employees. The Germans only came by to confirm their job application to keep receiving Hartz IV without any deductions. A few even actually started working, but didn't return after one, two days: "What, this is 'work? No, that's not for me!"

After all, just like the minimum wage, it is just a big program to destroy the labor market and the working country of Germany. The minimum wage ensures that someone who's performance is so low that he can't earn the minimum wage, he will never be forced to work because he is guaranteed to never find employment. The higher the minimum wage, the higher the share of people who never work and always have to live at the cost of others.

There is no concept whatsoever for people who don't manage to earn the minimum wage. You just say it's inhumane to work below minimum wage, and *bam* the others have to work for that person. At the same time, we keep importing more goods from low wage countries like China and Bangladesh.
And this got worse with Bürgergeld. Many people are now seeing it as a big mistake, even in the SPD, and it's becoming a hot topic for election campaigns.

I am noticing - subjectively, I didn't keep count - that there is more and more propaganda surrounding Bürgergeld. Something like this, the radical leftist shameless extreme propagandist Pfaff, for whom nothing is too stupid, too cheap, too dishonest:

If you still believe the fascistoid Bürgergeld propaganda, you are a hopeless victim.

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— Tino Pfaff (@TinoPfaff) December 1, 2024

Do you notice anything?

The rent is missing. Example for a single: They assume a gross cold rent of 380 euros and a heating bill of 75 euros, to artificially lowball the rent expenses that are being paid for through Bürgergeld and make the income look smaller. But where can you live on 380 euros? You don't even get a student hostel for that. In fact, the rents are much higher, thus also the subsidy for the Bürgergeld, and the gap between working and Bürgergeld shrinks a lot.

What is completely missing in there:

The additional expenses of work. If you work, you need to drive to work, wear clean and proper clothes, educate yourself, buy a book or something occasionally, so you need a bicycle, public transport, or a car, need to bring food or buy lunch in the canteen, etc. They are just pretending that the minimum wage comes from nothing. Also you need to live where you got work, that is much more expensive. But if you live somewhere where there is no work because you don't work in the first place, life there is much cheaper.

On top of that, Bürgergeld recipients get many discounts and save money with entry fees and other things.

The calculation is fake, the gap is much lower, and even negative after some calculations.

But what does not appear there whatsoever:

The Bürgergeld recipient can sleep in and spend the day doing whatever he wants to do.

So even if you take the numbers the way they present them: They assume an 38 hour work week. So let's add three hours per day for commute to, commute from, lunch break, doing laundry, buying clothes etc., we get to 38/5+3 = roughly 10.5 hours of daily effort. And without factoring in that somebody who spent the day doing work is tired in the evening and can only make limited use of their time, so you would also need to factor in longer relaxation phases.

Because a normal month has 22 business days, we can assume, rough calculation, 22*10.5, so roughly 220 to 230 hours that "going to work" costs per month, relaxation, doctor visits etc. not included. In many jobs, that is significantly more, because you also need to be available after the shift is over.

Not factoring in night and weekend shifts which completely mess up your sleep cycle and life schedule and, for instance, prevents you from using special offers because you're too late or you're unavailable, like lower entry fees at swimming pools in the morning.

According to the table, if you go to work, you earn between 539 and 834 euros more than someone who doesn't. Which is equivalent to an effective wage of 2.34 to 3.62 euros per hour - not factoring in costs like commutes, clothes, food.

So they are grandstanding about a minimum wage of 12 euros, but in fact, the gap to being unemployed is significantly less than 2 euros, and if you factor in all costs, it's just a few cents or even negative. Even factoring in their highball numbers. In reality, the gap is much lower because you can't live for 380 euros in the cities anymore.

On top of that, you have to pay for your own washing machine when it's broken and you don't get a new one from the officials. That's not factored in either.

So who is stupid enough, for a few measly cents an hour - if even that, if you're not paying extra - to be outside of your home for 220 hours a month and get up in the early morning or be on the move at night, to force yourself to work in rancid or puke-filled subways or in molested car traffic or get your bicycle stolen or damaged at night?

Or, in other words: Who is still stupid enough to work?

The question was already raised by the "universal basic income" - but you should at least get that one in addition to a wage, so the wage always gets on top (even if the taxes would then need to be crazy high). But Bürgergeld is even more insidious, you get that instead of a wage, so the wage starts at 0 and not above some basic income.

So you are quite stupid if you still go to work. For those few cents of a difference, I wouldn't rush to work for 220 hours a month to then fight against stupid managers and ruin my back and be exhausted on the evening. I'd much rather get good sleep in and spend my time at the sea and enjoy watching the ducks.

But what doesn't get factored in either: illicit employment and the other tricks. From here and here:

At Bürgergeld, up to 100€ from a mini job don't get factored in. At higher numbers, the calculation works in steps (20-30% are not factored in), so that, with a 538€ job, you earn an additional 189.40€.

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A mini job, or also called 538 euros job, according to the Federal Ministry of Labor, is a marginal employment with earnings of up to 538 euros a month or an employment period of up to 70 days per calendar year. In addition, mini jobbers work without taxes or other deductions, which is why, under these circumstances, net income is equal to gross income. What sounds attractive at first seems to only cater to school and university students. Because, due to a lack of welfare deductions, mini jobbers don't have a social security, which is much less bad for younger people who still got their career ahead of them than other age groups.

For Bürgergeld recipients, the additional income opportunities are a bit better. Thus, unlike the basic social security, there is a 100 euro exemption that the persons can earn additionally and without deductions. For sums between 100 and 520 euros, only 20 percent are free of deductions. From 520 to 1000 euros, since this year, Bürgergeld recipients may keep 30 percent without deductions. In comparison: with the old Hartz IV regulation, it was just 20 percent.

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On July 1 2023, the income exemption limits were raised for Bürgergeld. This only applies to people under 25 years of age, however. For them, income is deduction-free up to 520 euros. In the future, this group can earn up to 520 euros deduction-free.

It's been reported recently: The perfect money laundering and tax evasion machine.

If someone, for instance, operates a snack bar, but you don't want to pay taxes, you just sign up your entire extended family for Bürgergeld and hire all of them as "mini jobbers" (even if they never show up in reality). Mom works the joint on Monday, Ali on Tuesday, Mustafa on Wednesday ... or also Mom in January and February, in March ...

The snack bar operator (or every other company) lowers their income by (at least on paper) distributing the money to their relatives which he hires pro forma as mini jobbers, and can thus reduce their taxes, while the relatives don't have to get any deductions. Ten adolescent relatives hired pro forma as mini jobbers - then there are 5200 euros a month gone from the taxed profit, tax-free.

Completely beside the fact that a lot of people are on Bürgergeld and work illicit side jobs.

And that seems to be a big motivation behind the leftist propaganda. It is about building a divided tax system. Germans shall pay ever more, ever higher taxes, and for migrants, they build more and more tax evasion schemes.
 
Update from today. Original source [A]

What I have "forgotten" to mention on Bürgergeld ...​


Reader's message.

"Bürgergeld propaganda"

Dear Mr. Danisch!

You have "forgotten" much, much more, things which most people don't know about because they are quite secret.

In Nuremberg, for instance, the "poor" are quite spoiled.
Thus, the 49 euros [nationwide public transport] ticket only costs 19 euros for Bürgergeld recipients.

In addition, there are countless places where you can grab food for free. If you're savvy, you pay 0.0 euros for sustenance.
It starts at food pantries, soup kitchens and meal handouts of all kinds, clothing depositories, coupons for prophylactic medical examinations, free haircuts, gift bags, cash gifts up to unlimited nightly "containers" and food shelves.

The number of discounts for which you require time is almost endless.

And then, like I said, they don't have to pay for public broadcasting either. And I read that they don't have to be thrifty with their heating in winter because the heating bill is completely covered.

And if you factor in all of these things, it is very dubious if a "minimum wage recipient" gets more money than a Bürgergeld recipient, or rather less, and of course he has to go to work for 220 hours a month.

Going to work really isn't worth it anymore.
 
The Burgergeld sounds like something you’d pay americans to stop trying to install democracy in your country.
 
But if you live somewhere where there is no work because you don't work in the first place, life there is much cheaper.
Die Drachenlord Lösung
 
Going to work really isn't worth it anymore.
There are no words to express how much I despise these people. I know so many of them that I have not had to deal with for over a decade but every time something like this crops up I remember them and that I have more respect for every single minimum wage worker in the country individually than for every last one of those lazy slimes combined.
 
There are no words to express how much I despise these people. I know so many of them that I have not had to deal with for over a decade but every time something like this crops up I remember them and that I have more respect for every single minimum wage worker in the country individually than for every last one of those lazy slimes combined.
Did you read the texts?
The German government is doing almost everything in its power to disincentivize work and incentivize being unemployed
The Muslim refugees will laugh at your face as they consume your tax euros
 
Did you read the texts?
I did. I'm comparing it to the general benefits issues in the UK rather than specifically Muslim refugees in Germany. Both are similarly being abused with the unfortunate tax-payer footing the bill and I have more respect for every minimum wage worker legitimately trying to earn a living than I do for every benefit scrounging scum or, more relevantly, the various charities, NGOs and worse that make the unemployed life so appealing.

I think Germany needs to get the jobless building autobhans again. Or at least doing the maintenance work.
 
America does have a similar situation where someone collecting full benefits from the state or feds (there are various different ones) encounters a sort of "gap" where going to work full time for even a lousy $15/hr. isn't worth it because you lose your free housing and food stamps (SSDI) or receive steep cuts in benefits (welfare assistance programs, free insurance etc).

Basically, you have to take the plunge and become even poorer while hoping you'll get over the income hill (I'd say for a single person it can end up being something like ~$50-60k yearly depending on where you live) to end up living "better" than on benefits. For people with multiple kids or regular doctor visits? Shit dude, I don't even know. We might be talking about household incomes in excess of $100k yearly by the time you pay taxes and shit to REALLY make your life better than just getting free housing and insurance while being able to sell drugs or whatever cash work... assuming you don't mind living in the projects your whole life.

My crazy ex collected SSDI and probably will do so until she dies. That's where I get some of the numbers for heavily subsidized single lifestyle in a "socialized" state. I'm sure it's worse in Europoor land but that shit exists here too, and it might not even be a bad idea for a family with several kids to specialize in cash business while collecting everything they can (which includes school vouchers and shit like that).

Think about it - rent in my area basically STARTS at $2k monthly, and that's out of YOUR net earnings, meaning you have to gross like 40k just to make the rent and maybe get a few bites to eat. Just a housing voucher in this example can be worth more than $20k NET yearly.
 
You forgot that they can still work. there are plenty of jobs like painting pictures and gardening that pay you 1.5 Euro a hour, those can be as low as 9 hours a week and keep the government of your case.
 
Any Germanoids can corroborate this?
that he's a fag who never received welfare (or worked minimum wage) and fell for it's own propaganda? pretty much.

first of all there is obviously abuse of the system, because with enough criminal energy any system can be abused, and I assume he voted for the same people he's complaining about now, so he's getting what he's paying for (via taxes).

the rest is the usually wagie hogwash. "b-but they can sleep in every day!!11" should clued anyone in, if not counting lunch break and fucking washing your clothes and other shit into a three hour commute every day, right before complaining about "free washing machines" which is outright false (you only get money for it in certain circumstances, if it breaks down you should've saved - the agency outright tells you this on their website!). tbh it sounds like this nigger never had a regular job coming up with shit like that.

here's the thing, who is working minimum wage in the first place? keep in mind even a simple unskilled factory job is quite a bit above minimum wage. the second is like everything else there is only a limited amount of jobs, especially unskilled. mcdonalds isn't hiring more burger flippers just because there's more supply, if anything it makes them more selective. the average office drone isn't working minimum wage. it's easy to say "bro just cut welfare, everybody will find a job", but in reality that's peak retardation - it's even worse now when you add literally thousands of unskilled laborers into the pool competing for the same limited amount of possible jobs.

whining about MUH BENEFITS is another indicator dude doesn't know what he's talking about. as a wagie you also have access to housing benefits, travel benefits via your employer (which is all tax free btw), or returned via taxes (assuming they report it properly). in addition to all the other corporate benefits welfare recipients don't get - unless this fag wants to tell me his canteen kitchen doesn't offer food cheaper than average.
claiming welfare recipients get all shit for free while poor wagie has to pay for everything out of his own pocket is an outright lie. maybe if you're self-employed, but then you can also sleep in if you want to, while still being able to claim tax benefits.

MUH FREE MONEY MUH SLEEPING IN sounds nice on paper, the harsh reality is the vast majority of people couldn't survive with 550€ per month. to get it in the first place you have to open all your accounts completely, only to then to fully depend on the bureaucracy (have fun!). they literally tell you repeatedly only "adequate" costs are covered, and since this is germany the numbers are all available. living alone on more than 45-50m² (depending on city)? better get ready to move. have any other assets? get ready to sell those first. can't afford anything else? hopefully you like to live right in the ghetto where most of the affordable social housing is. plus all the secondary effects, nothing turns pussies into a desert faster than telling someone you're unemployed.

and finally, getting welfare isn't a right. the agency can and will decide you're not eligible, which is where the real fun begins and you hopefully have enough savings to not become homeless while trying to find a job. you can try to get an injunction, which depending on the courts and season can take 4+ months (again, hopefully your savings are big enough) and sue with a final verdict at the moment taking around 2-3 years since the courts are hopelessly overloaded (to the point parts of the system are literally stalling, adding even more time).

TLDR: he's a retard and should stick to his computers.

Reader's message.
that's outright wrong. travel costs are already calculated into the monthly amount, if there is any special social ticket or whatever, that's down to the city and local transport association (and that money is still coming out of your monthly amount). in most of germany it's still 49 eurobucks.. same for any other benefits like "free haircuts" and shit which are an exemption, not the rule.
besides, you can get a cheaper ticket via your employer too, so it's not like you have to pay 50 bucks in the first place while pissing yourself THEY GET IT CHEAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!11

most social leeches are also too lazy to use those offers in the first place - what, wake up early in the morning to get free food from the food bank? lmao.

tv loicense is also set via income, if you earn less than the threshold you can get an exemption. same way anything lower than 700€ (or whatever the amount is) is exempted from taxes. welfare is obviously below it, that's why it's "free".
 
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How does Burgergeld work for rent? Does it pay for rent or not?

Because I have a hard time imagining how you can live for 5-600 Euros a month.

Could we get a TLDR on burgergeld.

Btw: The broadcast fee that all Germans have to pay? Was introduced by the great man himself: Hitler!

tv loicense is also set via income, if you earn less than the threshold you can get an exemption. same way anything lower than 700€ (or whatever the amount is) is exempted from taxes. welfare is obviously below it, that's why it's "free".
Tbf: You should be paid for watching ZDF, RTL & co.

You get to watch it for free? Yay, that’s like the government sticking its finger up their ass and let you smell it for free.
 
And that seems to be a big motivation behind the leftist propaganda. It is about building a divided tax system. Germans shall pay ever more, ever higher taxes, and for migrants, they build more and more tax evasion schemes.
Eh, modern Leftists don't seem to think that far ahead. There's the principle of the thing that's of paramount importance even if it doesn't make sense, and then something goes wrong and then the whole thing fails. No human government would intentionally pay people to not work. The fact that it's this comprehensive and according to @ZMOT there are multiple levels of checks and balances suggests there was a sincere attempt to make it as resistant to welfare theft as could be practical. That migrants benefit the most says more about them than the system that's being abused.

At the end of the day, job allowances are just free money, and the argument about enabling dependency is always going to be a strong one.
 
lol
lmao
Even the USA, the alleged "free market radical capitalist outlier" paid people to not work so hard that it caused real issues during the lockdowns
In the US there's also the issue of the welfare cliffs that punish people by taking away considerably more benefits vs. the corresponding increases in income they get by working more. Essentially incentivizes a quasi-dependent underclass that can't break free from the cycle of dependency outside of extremely rare circumstances.

Really fitting if you want an easily exploited population you can underpay, much like illegal immigration.
 
How does Burgergeld work for rent? Does it pay for rent or not?
it does, up to a certain amount. since germany has the same issue as the UK and other countries where there's simply not enough affordable living space (and hardly any gets build), the only place you can live with the amount you get is either bumfuck nowhere or the ghetto.

it's also not just free money and you can fuck off, you will be hassled with appointments and outright order to work - if you don't show up watch those 550€ get cut by 30%.

In the US there's also the issue of the welfare cliffs that punish people by taking away considerably more benefits vs. the corresponding increases in income they get by working more. Essentially incentivizes a quasi-dependent underclass that can't break free from the cycle of dependency outside of extremely rare circumstances.
no idea about the US, but germany also pays for training to get a better qualification. the idea is to get you back into a job, and since most unskilled jobs are more rare (and german companies are whining about "lack of skilled labor" for years now which usually means shit jobs for shit pay, like elder care) getting some form of training increases your chances. however that's also not guaranteed, if you just do the bare minimum you'll only get the bare minimum, and being a neet is a lot less fun once you hit middle age.
 
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