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Lucius Aelius

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Alright, the purpose of this thread. I was discussing my new land purchase with my mother, and she joked about building a log cabin on it. I hadn't considered this course of action before. It hadn't even occurred to me. Then I thought about it with a shred of serious contemplation, and I think it might just be doable. The land in question has about six acres of loblolly pine, planted in rows by some timber company thirty years ago. And rather conveniently, they are all growing on part of the property that is both flat, elevated, and near the general utility hookups. Even if I want to eventually completely cut off my need to hook up to the grid, I still like having a hookup for the early stages.

For now, what I'm hoping for is suggestions on what to research as I plan this thing out. I have absolutely minimal experience, and all of my real experience in construction is in helping my father redo the interior of his McMansion every few years. Any sources to start with will be much appreciated.

Eventually, I hope for this to turn into full documentation as I actually build the thing.
 
Are you planning on building it by yourself by hand like in those survivalist/bushcraft YouTube videos? With your experience level, you should prepare yourself for the possibility of failing on the first try or feeling like you want to give up part way through. If you have the right attitude going in and are willing to see it through to the end, I say go for it, but keep in mind there will be parts that will really suck. That said, do your research! You'll need the right tools and you'll need to know the right techniques. You don't want the thing collapsing with you inside. Some parts might be difficult or impossible to do with one person, so you might need help, not just for lifting the other end of a log, but also in case you get hurt or incapacitated, someone can help or call for help.
 
Figure out local zoning regulations first before you start building but realistically if your in the middle of no where no one will really care.. If you plan on using the local timber keep in mind you must season it. Having someone else there as suggested above is a good idea for safety as well as assisting in filming. If you don't have experience in forestry do some reading and make sure you are well equipped ( chainsaw chaps are a must when starting ) If your still not comfortable with it alot of community collages offer classes and workshops on the subject. Im happy im not the only one as of late feeling the urge to take the cabin pill
 
You can buy cabin kits from Colorado or Utah usually... They cost between $13-20k plus delivery. But that's just a single room.
You probably need a foundation and plumbing down and a subfloor. So $35-40k for the cabin and $6-13k for a foundation.
Before that you need a septic and leach line, another $11k.
How deep do you have to drill for ground water?
 
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You can buy cabin kits from Colorado or Utah usually... They cost between $13-20k plus delivery. But that's just a single room.
You probably need a foundation and plumbing down and a subfloor. So $35-40k for the cabin and $6-13k for a foundation.
Before that you need a septic and leach line, another $11k.
How deep do you have to drill for ground water?
I'm in a good spot for water. I'mI already had quotes for the septic and well installation. But I suspect the real work will be the foundation. The south is not kind to any concrete, with its soft and perpetually soaked clay.
 
I'm in a good spot for water. I'mI already had quotes for the septic and well installation. But I suspect the real work will be the foundation. The south is not kind to any concrete, with its soft and perpetually soaked clay.
Look into polystyrene block if weight will be an issue. They use it for highways, it cuts down on weight. You just wire it all together on sand and gravel then pour a 3" slab that you can build up with cinder block. I'm pretty sure it's even seismic approved if you do it right.
 
Do you mean physically building something yourself, or being your own general contractor (owner-builder)?
 
I'm in a good spot for water. I'mI already had quotes for the septic and well installation. But I suspect the real work will be the foundation. The south is not kind to any concrete, with its soft and perpetually soaked clay.
How big you want it to be will determine what kind of foundation you need for it. I also live in an area with a lot of wet clay, though here we have long heavy snowfall winters and since you said you're in the south I assume you don't have that issue.

The "I never want to fuck with it" option if you don't want to pour a concrete slab is going to be Helical piles, are you willing to rent equipment?

A helical pile is a steel shaft (round or square) with one or more helix-shaped plates welded near the bottom.
Those plates act like threads on a screw. When rotated into the soil using a hydraulic machine, the helix plates pull the pile downward in a controlled, predictable way.
How They’re Installed
A machine (mini excavator or skid steer with a drive head) rotates the pile into the ground. The pile literally screws down until it reaches the required depth and torque (torque = how much resistance = load capacity). Additional shaft extensions can be bolted on to go deeper. Once the correct depth/strength is reached, the top is cut level. A bracket is attached so your cabin beams can sit on it. No digging. No concrete curing. No waiting. An entire cabin foundation can be installed in one day.

However, I do not recommend this as I think it's complete over-kill.

My personal favorite style, and what I would probably use in your situation is concrete footers which you sink below the frost line (which is about 4ft here, obviously if you don't have a frost line, I'd look up local common practice, I know in North Carolina for example, in swampy areas, they typically go down at least 8 ft. Sometimes 12. On top of those footers you're going to put 6x6 treated posts. (I personally would suggest buying pressure treated 6x6s and then re-treating them yourself with used motor oil, while this is illegal, no one will ever know and you will never, ever, have them rot, this is what all farmers used to do to any wood that touched the ground.) If you don't want to treat them like them, then I'd recommend pouring concrete around the posts, (I think this is overkill, it does work though.) On top of those 6x6s you will put adjustable screw jacks (commonly called basement jacks where I live), and on top of the jacks you will put your beams.

The genius of installing these jacks is that if the building begins to fall out of level you can simply adjust the level manually, they are not expensive, and you will only need 4 to 8 depending on the size of the building (one at each corner, or one at each corner and center depending on how large). Then you simply build your sub floor on top of that.

So to recap, I'd suggest:

Concrete footers sunk deep enough to be effective for your local area.
Treated 6x6 posts.
Beams sitting on top of the posts.
Adjustable screw jacks between the beam and post so you can re-level over time

If sunk deep enough to begin with, I doubt you will have to re-level for years or at all, but if you want the thing to last, however, if it does happen, consider how hard it will be to re-level it in 10 years if you have to manually jack up the entire building and them shim/adjust the posts to re-level. The cost/benefit of installing the jacks at the time of building is just insane.

Me and a crew did this with a 30x30 building around 3 years back and there has been no issues with it.
 
I mean cutting down the trees, drying them, and building the thing myself next year.

Whatever method you decide on, I suggest building an outhouse to shit in first. Build an outhouse that copies the same method you will use for your cabin. (Log-style is overkill for an outhouse - but it'll show you what you're in for.) Shithouses can get pretty fancy depending on climate, but whatever you build it should be a two-seater. They last way longer, can accommodate composting methods, and have just enough interior space that it can double as a tool shed for when you're starting out.

The pit for your outhouse (if pit style is even possible) will give you an idea of the soil you are dealing with (for your cabin's foundations). It'll also give you an idea where the water-table is. It'll give you a clearer idea of and chance to purchase tools you need. And it'll also tell you if you have any taste for building shit in the first place. Finally, every place needs a shitter, and no matter what you do with the property, building a shitter on it improves it.
 
Whatever method you decide on, I suggest building an outhouse to shit in first. Build an outhouse that copies the same method you will use for your cabin. (Log-style is overkill for an outhouse - but it'll show you what you're in for.) Shithouses can get pretty fancy depending on climate, but whatever you build it should be a two-seater. They last way longer, can accommodate composting methods, and have just enough interior space that it can double as a tool shed for when you're starting out.

The pit for your outhouse (if pit style is even possible) will give you an idea of the soil you are dealing with (for your cabin's foundations). It'll also give you an idea where the water-table is. It'll give you a clearer idea of and chance to purchase tools you need. And it'll also tell you if you have any taste for building shit in the first place. Finally, every place needs a shitter, and no matter what you do with the property, building a shitter on it improves it.
That's a good suggestion. I've been working out how large I actually need the cabin to be as well. It's going to be just for me, so I'll ultimately be able to get away with something on the scale of a studio apartment. Possibly even smaller if I can get away with building the bed into the wall and putting a desk beneath it.
 
That's a good suggestion. I've been working out how large I actually need the cabin to be as well. It's going to be just for me, so I'll ultimately be able to get away with something on the scale of a studio apartment. Possibly even smaller if I can get away with building the bed into the wall and putting a desk beneath it.
It's hard to give advice beyond 'what's good for that climate' and 'the order you should do things.' Because the layout and style will depend on things only you know about yourself.

Just remember 'form follows function'. A little hunting cabin is going to demand certain things - like extra bunk space for buddies, a balcony for stripping down, and a safe place to cache food. While a writers getaway can be smaller and is going to be improved by a lot of natural light. Ease and frequency of access will determine how sophisticated your trail / driveway will be etc. Good Luck, I'm jealous!
 
For now, what I'm hoping for is suggestions on what to research as I plan this thing out.

What I tell my son: "Don't reinvent the wheel. Other guys have done what you want to do. So, go find them, learn, and do what they did."

Off the top of my head? If you are wanting to build a traditional log cabin, then get in contact with the guys at Townsend's. They scratch built one, plus chimney, cedar shake shingles and a nice outdoor baking oven. Fired their own bricks on site and everything. Pretty sure they learned from someone else, and they're pretty open about sharing knowledge and contacts. Call them up or write them an email - they'd probably be pretty enthusiastic about lending any help they could. They're pretty solid people. I've had contact with them - nothing but good to say about them.

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You are totally out of your depth. Pay a builder. Even to do a kit set requires you know what you are doing. I’ve seen so many homes done by people who wanted the pride of doing it themselves and what you see when you look at the house is not pride because the shitty workmanship gets in the way of your eyes.

If you are going to do it, then commit to 200-300
Hours in total research and about 200
Hours in training and you will probably be just OK.
 
You are totally out of your depth. Pay a builder. Even to do a kit set requires you know what you are doing. I’ve seen so many homes done by people who wanted the pride of doing it themselves and what you see when you look at the house is not pride because the shitty workmanship gets in the way of your eyes.

If you are going to do it, then commit to 200-300
Hours in total research and about 200
Hours in training and you will probably be just OK.
No, do not pay someone to substitute for your own manhood. Take your time and do it right, of course, but do not forsake your own ability.
This kind of "just pay someone to do it" attitude is born and bred in the minds of those who have quietly surrendered the belief that they can become truly competent at anything difficult, who secretly fear that sustained effort will only expose their inadequacy rather than overcome it, and who would rather stay small, comfortable, and dependent than risk the slow, bruising, character-building work of actually growing into the man they claim to want to be.

This is the self-sufficiency board. It is not the "throw around money so that you don't have to be self-sufficient" board.
 
I'm not here to shit on your dreams, so if I were in your position this is what I'd do.
Think about the elements that you will need (windows, doors, insulation, wiring, etc). If you want to learn how to build a structure, build an outhouse. You can learn how to do walls, flooring, install a window and a door for a much lower cost. If you have a septic system, you can also learn some basic plumbing. If it works, move onto a shed. A shed need all of those elements, but also wiring and insulation is probably a good idea.
 
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Me and a crew did this with a 30x30 building around 3 years back and there has been no issues with it.

I was going to suggest that he learn how to timber frame and go with that, but Lucius specifically said "log cabin".

I don't build structures. I build other things. I have studied traditional woodworking under a Master in order to round out my skills and the scale is smaller, but the theory is the same - cutting the pieces so they mechanically lock together without being spiked together with nails, and support each other.

One of the American politicians - Massie - who is an Electrical Engineer by training and not really all that athletic, took classes on how to build a timber frame house. He then went and built his own timber frame house, by hand, with his own two hands himself. If he can do that, then I hope Lucius can do that.
 
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