💀 Horrorcow Bryan Johnson / Don't Die movement - How far would you go to live forever?

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Yeah screens cause a lot of it but some people just naturally stay up late for other reasons. Like no matter how tired I am, and even when I have nothing scheduled at all the next day I can almost never sleep more than 5-6 hours. Shit sucks but I'm working on it.
Can't wait till we discover it's an amyloid beta/ lowfat thing where actually you NEED screentime to sleep better or something
If Bryan's insanity somehow discovers a treatment for insomnia, I will take back everything I said about him. I've suffered from insomnia my entire life and it's one of the worst afflictions ever. I can wake up at 6 AM, have a full day, get physical activity in, and still get a weird second wind around 10 PM.
 
If Bryan's insanity somehow discovers a treatment for insomnia, I will take back everything I said about him. I've suffered from insomnia my entire life and it's one of the worst afflictions ever. I can wake up at 6 AM, have a full day, get physical activity in, and still get a weird second wind around 10 PM.
And I guess keep in mind that his work will have indirect impacts on research even if he doesn't discover shit himself, because there will be younger and older people who are inspired or interested in what he's doing and decide to go autistic research and development mode on it.
 
If Bryan's insanity somehow discovers a treatment for insomnia, I will take back everything I said about him. I've suffered from insomnia my entire life and it's one of the worst afflictions ever. I can wake up at 6 AM, have a full day, get physical activity in, and still get a weird second wind around 10 PM.
Father forgive me, I am once more shilling 'straya:

A lot of participants had 'insomnia' and sleep debt basically fixed it in a week or two. Apnea technically 'cured' by sleeping on the side. Dumb thots going "maybe I shouldn't bring my phone to bed! haha". Anyway, great documentary for entertainment purposes but also making it glaringly obvious how fucked people are, but god forbid they leave their phone out of the bedroom.

Haven't read up on the sleep debt system but it worked. Worth a watch. Lay in bed 8 hours, sleep 4? Now you only lay down for those 4 hours until you sleep those 4 hours, then increase the window on either side slowly. Fixed basically all of them.
 
And this video was posted only 7 days ago right before he turned 54.
i have to assume he has no skincare routine to speak of
at a cost of son's health
can't you drain a pint of blood without ill effects every 3 months? even a quart is pushing it but overall fine.
ot only do you not look like a teenager but you also look OLDER than you are BJ! Enjoy looking like a lesbian aunt stalkerwannabechild.
thats sort of the hilarious part, those overweight microplastic filled humans look a lot younger than they look, like constantly at workplaces we're all shocked that the 30+ BMI woman is like 2x the age she looks.

meanwhile every person that "eats right" and gets proper exercise and sunlight usually looks their age if not slightly worse. William Shatner figured this out half a century ago, he said he tries to gain 5lbs every year to keep the elasticity of his face, and it seems to have worked. he's 90+ and he looks more like a man in his 60s who lived a rough life than a real guy in his 90s. like if he told you where he was when kennedy got shot you'd think he's joking
 
I am pretty neutral about Bryan and his goals. I think he is kind of weird, but I also get why he would want to stay young and in shape. After working in a nursing home and working with the elderly in general, I don't blame anyone having a fear of aging. I think most of the criticism against staying young forever are weak, such as saying we should just accept getting old. If we had that attitude about other things, we would not have invented the car, the airplane, the internet, or cures to various diseases, etc. There's no reason to stop humans from trying to find the cure for aging, if we can find a way to stay young, I think that's a positive for humanity.

All that being said, it's crazy how everyone that is in the anti-aging sphere tend to look freaky rather than young. It's not just Bryan, it's almost every single anti-aging or skin care influencer I have seen. Bryan's case is worse though because he is the one who is spending the most money, doing the most research, and doing the most to promote this supposed ultimate health and anti-aging routine. Despite everything, Bryan looks really sickly and old these days.

He's spending millions of dollars on high-tech skin lasers, expensive and experimental medicine, a super specific curated diet and exercise regimen, and cosmetic treatments, etc., and yet you'd never know it if he didn't tell you. He doesn't even look good for his age, let alone younger than his age. He simply looks bad. I don't care what his health metrics say, you can't convince me this man is healthy and on the path to eternal youth. His skin has this strangely thin and almost translucent quality, like it's stretched too tight. And the combination of that with the overly smooth, almost waxy texture from all the treatments he gets just makes him look unnatural. His facial features, instead of appearing youthful, seem distorted. On top of all of that, those giant horse veneers and that awful haircut and hair dye really age him and make him look ghastly and offputting. Someone said he looks like he marinates in formaldehyde, and I agree.

It sucks because I don't think he's a bad person, and I actually do agree with most of his goals and motivations, but I can't get over how badly this seems to be going for him. I don't know what the cure for aging is, but it clearly isn't whatever Bryan is doing.
 
i have to assume he has no skincare routine to speak of

can't you drain a pint of blood without ill effects every 3 months? even a quart is pushing it but overall fine.

thats sort of the hilarious part, those overweight microplastic filled humans look a lot younger than they look, like constantly at workplaces we're all shocked that the 30+ BMI woman is like 2x the age she looks.

meanwhile every person that "eats right" and gets proper exercise and sunlight usually looks their age if not slightly worse. William Shatner figured this out half a century ago, he said he tries to gain 5lbs every year to keep the elasticity of his face, and it seems to have worked. he's 90+ and he looks more like a man in his 60s who lived a rough life than a real guy in his 90s. like if he told you where he was when kennedy got shot you'd think he's joking
Well Shatner also has the dark Kabbalic-Druid magik of his Hibero-Semitic ancestors on his side but that’s another story.
 
I kinda get that he's a lolcow of some variety but he is actually naturally funny and takes the shit people say to him extremely well, mogs on random ass people and jokes about himself and the stuff he's doing and keeps what appears to be an almost unbreakable positive and optimistic outlook about stuff
yeah like despite his mission he is hilariously likable, it feels like something out of a 2000s era "subvert your expectations" piece of content because everyone else famous seems to be an asshole who can't handle the bants (see Sam Hyde and Null) meanwhile this guy is a legit mad scientist and he is probably the nicest e-celeb out there.
1. Also Bryan just probably hires interns to shitpost on his behalf.
you're probably right.
After working in a nursing home and working with the elderly in general, I don't blame anyone having a fear of aging
this is like saying you don't blame anyone for having a fear of white men because you work in a prison, you literally only are around the worst examples. I know plenty of old men who are in their 70s and are extremely fit, even the ones that still think gyms are for fags, because they had a naturally physical lifestyle for years. you don't smoke and only drink for special occasions and don't constantly eat junk you'll look wonderful.

For Bryan especially i think its stress, all these anti-aging things, and in general i think its stress that will age you the most. if you have a "if i die; i die" mentality then you'll live forever.
 
For Bryan especially i think its stress, all these anti-aging things, and in general i think its stress that will age you the most. if you have a "if i die; i die" mentality then you'll live forever.
There'll be time enough for rocking when we're old
We can rock all day in rocking chairs of gold
But tonight I think I'd rather just go dancing
There'll be time enough for rocking when we're old, my love

There'll be time enough for talk in the nursing home
Darling, time enough to write an epic poem
But tonight I think I'd rather just go dancing
There'll be time enough for talking in the home, my love

There'll be time enough for sleeping when we're dead
You will have a velvet pillow for your head
But tonight I think I'd rather just go dancing
There'll be time enough for sleeping when we're dead, my love

There'll be time enough for sex and drugs in Heaven
When our pheromones are turned up to 11
But tonight I think I'd rather just go dancing
There'll be time enough for sex and drugs in Heaven, my love
And time enough for rocking when we're old
 
It sucks because I don't think he's a bad person, and I actually do agree with most of his goals and motivations, but I can't get over how badly this seems to be going for him. I don't know what the cure for aging is, but it clearly isn't whatever Bryan is doing.
That reminds me that not every lolcow is a bad person. Remember Aaron McCluske and his sister Sarah?
 
If Bryan just did this shit, didn't sell supplements, didn't involve his family, and told everyone "I'm a rich nut job, this is a pipe dream, don't try this at home," I wouldn't consider him a lolcow. Yes he can be funny and can banter, but everything else around it is fucked up and weird. Involving your own son in this madness, potentially at his expense, is wrong.
 
this is like saying you don't blame anyone for having a fear of white men because you work in a prison, you literally only are around the worst examples. I know plenty of old men who are in their 70s and are extremely fit
I also know very in shape and healthy elderly people, and it really doesn't matter in the end. They're still slower, weaker, in pain, and things aren't working optimally. They still recover way slower than when they were young. They're still at risk of a minor fall or illness causing them to wind up bedridden.

Staying in shape and trying to be as healthy as you can be at any age is a good thing. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that. But in the end, it doesn't matter how well you take care of yourself, once you reach a certain age, minor injuries or illnesses can take you out. A lot of the people I worked with in nursing homes were not people that were unhealthy slobs, there were plenty that worked out and ate right their entire lives. Aging sucks and even the people who don't mind getting older will tell you that if there was a magical pill that would make them young again, they would take it in a heart beat.
 
Most people are unhealthy though. I see people in their 20s-40s struggling with what used to be "old people diseases".

I also know some active older people who were healthy when they were younger and they age much more gracefully and still have a life at old age. They can do their hobbies and are self sustained.

Most people that are unhealthy already in their 20s dealing with e.g. depression, anxiety, insomnia, joint pain, low metabolism, etc. they will end up very sick once they hit 30-40 and are often unable to overcome it because they believe "it's all genetics brah!" or it's the "natural part of aging" and they simply don't have the energy to fix themselves anymore.

I like what Bryan is doing but I do believe he is wrong about some things which will hurt him in the long run.
 
Most people are unhealthy though. I see people in their 20s-40s struggling with what used to be "old people diseases". e.g. depression, anxiety, insomnia, joint pain, low metabolism, etc. they will end up very sick once they hit 30-40
That's the thing. The definition of "old person" has changed dramatically. The fact that on average we are loving till 75 going on 80 is in itself a world changing epiphany. No one in their 20s-30s should be struggling with "old people diseases" we have the know how and the tech to reverse them easily but to say that having a majority of the population struggle with this en masse is unheard of is comically wrong. It's not an "achtually I know a 6'3 Thai guy" thing even if you weren't rich enough to have gout these ailments have haunted the younger ends of adulthood for as long as stress and malnutrition have,which is to say a really damn long time. The REAL concerning thing is despite living in the ACTUAL FUTURE with conversation having robots and little dingy motorized foot scooter thingeys we STILL haven't engrained in the popular zeitgeist that eating meat won't give you a heart attack and eating only bread isn't going to save you either. We live on the golden age of easily accessible information and yet so many people still act like they are completely HELPLESS. No wonder people like Bryan Johnson are allowed to persist. People still think healthy diet and exercise are a thing only richy rich richerson people have and have yet to realize they can grow their own crap for cheap just by following a YouTube video or something.
 
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I also know very in shape and healthy elderly people, and it really doesn't matter in the end. They're still slower, weaker, in pain, and things aren't working optimally. They still recover way slower than when they were young. They're still at risk of a minor fall or illness causing them to wind up bedridden.

Staying in shape and trying to be as healthy as you can be at any age is a good thing. I'm not saying you shouldn't do that. But in the end, it doesn't matter how well you take care of yourself, once you reach a certain age, minor injuries or illnesses can take you out. A lot of the people I worked with in nursing homes were not people that were unhealthy slobs, there were plenty that worked out and ate right their entire lives. Aging sucks and even the people who don't mind getting older will tell you that if there was a magical pill that would make them young again, they would take it in a heart beat.
That's the thing. The definition of "old person" has changed dramatically. The fact that on average we are loving till 75 going on 80 is in itself a world changing epiphany. No one in their 20s-30s should be struggling with "old people diseases" we have the know how and the tech to reverse them easily but to say that having a majority of the population struggle with this en masse is unheard of is comically wrong. It's not an "achtually I know a 6'3 Thai guy" thing even if you weren't rich enough to have gout these ailments have haunted the younger ends of adulthood for as long as stress and malnutrition have,which is to say a really damn long time. The REAL concerning thing is despite living in the ACTUAL FUTURE with conversation having robots and little dingy motorized foot scooter thingeys we STILL haven't engrained in the popular zeitgeist that eating meat won't give you a heart attack and eating only bread isn't going to save you either. We live on the golden age of easily accessible information and yet so many people still act like they are completely HELPLESS. No wonder people like Bryan Johnson are allowed to persist. People still think healthy diet and exercise are a thing only richy rich richerson people have and have yet to realize they can grow their own crap for cheap just by following a YouTube video or something.
Staying in peak physical health is a noble goal, but even people I know who lead extremely healthy or unhealthy lifestyles and are now in the later stages of their lives, no matter how active they are, have mental problems - stuff like Alzheimer's, dementia and many others.

I'm not sure what Bryan Johnson has said about that stuff and there are some neuroprotective medications as well as ones that increase neuroplasticity (basically making new brain cells, which is what ketamine does) and also some lifestyle factors that can impact it but whether or not that stuff works when people are 80 can make a difference is totally unknown AFAIK.

Some issues like Alzheimer's are heavily related to genetics - I have a relative who has early onset dementia and is totally mentally gone which is a very painful and distressing thing to see. One of their children told me that the relative had earlier said "if I ever end up like that, take me out the back and shoot me". Watching someone who was previously full of life degrade to where they keep repeating questions and then degrade even further to the point they can't even recognize anyone and can get very agitated is a very sad thing to see.

Thankfully my genetics aren't quite as bad as theirs were when it comes to Alzheimer's but I still have a significantly large number of genes relating to Alzheimer's and there's a very real and distinct possibility that I even get it early onset and it raises big questions about longevity and planning for end of life. I kind of wish I never got my genetics tested for that reason because it is a shadow that doesn't quite go away and does impact how you look at life very much because there's an omnipresent clock ticking throughout the day.

All this is to say while you can do a whole bunch of tests relating to your physical health and shit like erections during the night its very clear there is a significant role in genetics when it comes to the brain in older age. There are some people in their 90s who are sharp as a tack and have been smoking cigarettes and drinking liquor every day of their life and some people who do everything right and get hit with sudden terminal cancer very suddenly or end up with issues in their brain that are seemingly predetermined by their genetics or perhaps environmental factor.

Anyway, all I'll say is if you don't have a will already make one and if you have knowledge that you might be very likely to get impacted by certain conditions then you can make provisions for if that actually happens. I know most people aren't a fan of assisted suicide etc but I can fully understand why its a necessary thing for people near the end of their lives.

Failing that (or in addition to that) you can also make a will that enables you to get cryogenically frozen but its not cheap and you have to be "frozen" ASAP after you pass away: https://web.archive.org/web/20140829123055/https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/ and if you're lucky they'll figure out a way to defrost you later on and also by that time figure out a way to fix the illness you had when you died.
 
I’m studying neuroscience+epigenetics and a big part of that is becuase my gimgams is suffering from late Parkinson’s+senility but I don’t want to be an 18 year old forever because of that. I just want to think like I do now and hopefully have the strength to do what I do now until I die. Hopefully at 120 but still.
 
Most people that are unhealthy already in their 20s dealing with e.g. depression, anxiety, insomnia, joint pain, low metabolism, etc. they will end up very sick once they hit 30-40 and are often unable to overcome it because they believe "it's all genetics brah!" or it's the "natural part of aging" and they simply don't have the energy to fix themselves anymore.
The thing is though, even those sickly and unhealthy 20 year olds will almost always still recover faster and have better outcomes when it comes to injuries or illnesses than someone who is in their 40s, even if those 40 year olds are in shape and have been healthy their entire lives. You see this all the time when working in health care: some young person comes in with serious injuries, and even if they're very unhealthy and out of shape, they still recover fast and get sent home quickly compared to the older people who are there for less serious stuff. Even really young alcoholics and drug addicts bounce back quickly and heal fast. Them being young is precisely why they're able to do hardcore drugs and drink like a camel without facing any serious consequences. That won't come until they're older.

If all people had to do to was eat healthy and exercise their entire lives to remain optimal as they age, people wouldn't have an issue with aging in the first place.

I remember a doctor I worked under. I thought she was in her late 20s but knew she was obviously older based on her occupation and experience. I later learned she was almost 50. She was very energetic and looked and moved like a woman in her late 20s. Yet even she understood that it didn't matter how gracefully she was aging and how much better she looked and felt compared to the average 50 year old. She said she still had chronic low grade pain, wounds still took longer to heal, she can't stay up late anymore, she still worries about catching the flu because it is worse on her than it is a young person, she still worries about breaking a bone, etc.

It's crazy to me that we can put a man on the moon but we still haven't figured out how to stop aging.
I'm not sure what Bryan Johnson has said about that stuff and there are some neuroprotective medications as well as ones that increase neuroplasticity (basically making new brain cells, which is what ketamine does)
Ket makes new braincells? How come every person I meet that does ket is a huge junkie and very unhealthy?
 
Ket makes new braincells? How come every person I meet that does ket is a huge junkie and very unhealthy?
I guess that has to do with the demographic magic fixes appeal to. It's not about generating new neurons, they keep dying off, but about the connections. You still can learn all you want till death, it just gets slower and slower, while stuff keeps dying off and at some point the speed is so negligible, you've effectively or actually got dementia. The drugs are supposed to roid that learning mechanism, I suppose.
That's how it was explained to me and how I understood what I glossed over.
Failing that (or in addition to that) you can also make a will that enables you to get cryogenically frozen but its not cheap and you have to be "frozen" ASAP after you pass away: https://web.archive.org/web/20140829123055/https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/ and if you're lucky they'll figure out a way to defrost you later on and also by that time figure out a way to fix the illness you had when you died.
Yeah, they addressed the ice crystals, but I don't really see how turning yourself into a vitrified specimen would work at all, suspended animation is the real deal. And that's overlapping with knowing how to stop the clock, so it loops back to brian's approach anyhow. How are they supposed to get all that toxic shit out of your system and how do they ensure that there is absolutely NO ice crystals anywhere? This is desperate, sad make believe. Could've build a badass family crypt, commissioned an oil painting for the ancestral gallery and all that jazz from the money, if you aren't gonna pass it to your loved ones or a good cause.

Solution Comparison​


In 2001 Alcor switched from high concentration glycerol to B2C vitrification solution for cryoprotection of neuropatients. B2C is a more concentrated variant of the VM3 vitrification solution used in mainstream cryobiology for vitrification of mouse ova and kidney slices [1]. B2C was designed as a “hyperstable” vitrification solution, meaning that it’s so concentrated that it’s virtually impossible to freeze. This was done to help ensure that Alcor’s first attempts at brain vitrification would be successful, with the understanding the cellular viability by conventional spontaneous recovery criteria would be low to non-existent. Thus the purpose of B2C was to eliminate structural damage from ice under good conditions, not preserve viability by conventional measures.


The composition of B2C is:


Dimethyl sulfoxide​
24.765% w/v​
Formamide17.836%
Ethylene glycol17.401%
Polyvinyl pyrrolidone K122%
Polyvinyl pyrrolidone K302%
X-1000 ice blocker1%
Z-1000 ice blocker1%


The solution was prepared in a carrier solution of non-penetrating solutes called B1, similar in composition to the published vitrification carrier solution LM5 [2].
alcor.org
 
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Real science tests single controllable variables at a time or maybe a few variables at once to see how they affect each other and the system as a whole. This nigger is throwing hundreds of variables at his body and calling it scientific.
It's the same pop-med sentiment as "if I were wealthy I'd have an MRI machine at my house and do images/blood tests daily etc. to catch everything early."
Sounds good in theory, but the false positive rate when you have no symptoms about anything is high enough that you'd be chasing incidentalomas all the time and just hurt your well-being from stress, white coat syndrome on steroids.
 
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