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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Hmm. Hadn't read the actual documents and was worried they were actually gonna do it for a bit. See you guys in 2025!
Nicola isn't even bothering to pretend it's gonna happen.

Nicola's too busy passing into law that the European Flags will be flown outside out Scottish government builds (this is not hyberbole) and sweating about upcoming legal proceedings. I do not like Alex Salmond but if he has something good enough to actually tear off the masks on the SNP and show them as the scummy opportunists they are I'd gladly drop to one knee and tongue his knuckles. Unfortunately it will be the usual nothingburger.

 

[soy_king]

Nicola's too busy passing into law that the European Flags will be flown outside out Scottish government builds (this is not hyberbole) and sweating about upcoming legal proceedings. I do not like Alex Salmond but if he has something good enough to actually tear off the masks on the SNP and show them as the scummy opportunists they are I'd gladly drop to one knee and tongue his knuckles. Unfortunately it will be the usual nothingburger.

How is it legal to fly the flag of a foreign entity outside of government buildings? Jesus Christ the Jocks are fucked.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

How is it legal to fly the flag of a foreign entity outside of government buildings? Jesus Christ the Jocks are fucked.

It's debatably not. But how do you take action against it? It's so petty an action that taking steps to stop it can only seem like excessive overreach.

I had a decent natter with the family about it recently (from the bottom of the drive of course due to distancing). It's dully simple. Nicola can do whatever she wants bar a referendum and will keep doing so while also chasing independence. The SNP are the majority party by a long way which arguably is also a mandate for another referendum. However the odds are still good that the Scots as a whole know independence is a bad idea. The SNP keep campaigning for it because, despite agreeing it would be a once in a generation vote, it's what they want. It does not matter that Scotland voted against it previously, the SNP were voted in so clearly the majority do want it. They want to just keep having votes until the right result is achieved.

I don't want to see it happen because the Scots are going to get fucked so hard they may all simultaneously end up pregnant. The EU have made it abundantly clear Scotland is never getting in without basically assuming the position and never exiting it. Nicola has made it clear when it comes to vaccines she sides with the EU first and Scotland second. They plan to have the pound as their currency without any confirmation that would be possible and the vast majority of their exports go to the UK who are already being petulant with the EU about buying their products. All of which assumes they get an absolute sweetheart deal out of the UK as they leave.

I like the Scottish people by and large. I do not want them to end up a puppet of China because they're so fucked they've nowhere else to turn and Russia won't have them.

 

[Snekposter]

It's debatably not. But how do you take action against it? It's so petty an action that taking steps to stop it can only seem like excessive overreach.

I had a decent natter with the family about it recently (from the bottom of the drive of course due to distancing). It's dully simple. Nicola can do whatever she wants bar a referendum and will keep doing so while also chasing independence. The SNP are the majority party by a long way which arguably is also a mandate for another referendum. However the odds are still good that the Scots as a whole know independence is a bad idea. The SNP keep campaigning for it because, despite agreeing it would be a once in a generation vote, it's what they want. It does not matter that Scotland voted against it previously, the SNP were voted in so clearly the majority do want it. They want to just keep having votes until the right result is achieved.

I don't want to see it happen because the Scots are going to get fucked so hard they may all simultaneously end up pregnant. The EU have made it abundantly clear Scotland is never getting in without basically assuming the position and never exiting it. Nicola has made it clear when it comes to vaccines she sides with the EU first and Scotland second. They plan to have the pound as their currency without any confirmation that would be possible and the vast majority of their exports go to the UK who are already being petulant with the EU about buying their products. All of which assumes they get an absolute sweetheart deal out of the UK as they leave.

I like the Scottish people by and large. I do not want them to end up a puppet of China because they're so fucked they've nowhere else to turn and Russia won't have them.

TL;DR: Damn Scots, they keep ruining Scotland!

 

[Brahma]

They plan to have the pound as their currency without any confirmation that would be

The Irish pegged their currency to the pound after independence and kept it there until they joined the eec along with the UK in.. 1973? Something like that.

They didn't need permission from the exchequer to do it, I think it miffed a succession of chancellor's that they did in fact.

I'm not entirely sure on the details but it was pretty much as simple as getting their central bank to use a one for one equivalence internally in Irish banking. Kind of fucked with their foreign currency holdings though as they couldn't control other countries not regarding the punt as equal to the pound

Nicola can do whatever she wants bar a referendum

What she should do is hold a consultative referendum on whether holyrood should make a formal application to westminster asking to hold a referendum.

It'd be a good proxy for sentiment, better than opinion polls anyway

 

[Snekposter]

What she should do is hold a consultative referendum on whether holyrood should make a formal application to westminster asking to hold a referendum.

That reads like something out of Brazil due to how useless and indecisive it is.

 

[Ly Erg]

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If they dont lift the lockdown and try and get some sense of normalcy by the summer we'll probably start seeing real signs of civil unrest and rioting especially trying to coop people indoors during the summer.

I very much doubt it. We will see some protests, some stomps and go back to bitching on social media. The government will continue to do what they want because they know they can get away with it without any casualties that isn't them.

The SNP keep campaigning for it because, despite agreeing it would be a once in a generation vote

I keep hearing the "once in a generation" excuse all the time but nobody fucking clarifies how long it would or should be. Would it be every seven years like the GFA states for a unity referendum in Northern Ireland? Would it be fucking 50 years like Bojo wants it? Would it be fair to make differences between the Unity and Independence referendum dates?

The EU have made it abundantly clear Scotland is never getting in without basically assuming the position and never exiting it.

Well technically they can still exit it, there's nothing stopping a country from leaving the EU if the majority vote for it and pulling a UK. Would the EU make it difficult? I can absolutely see that happening but they aren't going to stop them by force

and the vast majority of their exports go to the UK who are already being petulant with the EU about buying their products.

As much as I hate the UK. I'd rather still trade with the UK over the EU in a independence scenario. Only because it's far more profitable for both nations if proper agreements were put in place. That is of course, if both nations governments don't act like children in which case i'd rather just go with Spite.

They plan to have the pound as their currency without any confirmation that would be possible

Technically possible though not a good idea as a whole in longevity. Salmond calls it Sterlingisation but in reality it's just pegging the pound. It's been done before with ROI but as brahmarakshasolempi has said. It's got it's drawbacks.

Also joining the EU requires joining the ERM II scheme for joining the Euro which takes a while and requires an independent currency to begin with so pegging wouldn't make much sense in that regard.

And as much as people go on about being forced into the Euro as a requirement, that hasn't stopped the likes of Sweden and Denmark from ignoring ERM II and having referendums on joining the Euro while still being in the EU without any consequences. The minute the EU forces Sweden and Denmark to use the Euro is the time I can see both countries turning around to leave so I can see Scotland also pulling something similar if it does come down to that, depending on who's in charge of course.

I like the Scottish people by and large. I do not want them to end up a puppet of China because they're so fucked they've nowhere else to turn and Russia won't have them.

A majority of Scottish people would think that Scotland would be poorer as a result but to think it would end up like a fucking third-world country is braindead retarded.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

TL;DR: Damn Scots, they keep ruining Scotland!

Heavens no, they're the best part about it. And I'm rather fond of the rest of it too.

The Irish pegged their currency to the pound after independence and kept it there until they joined the eec along with the UK in.. 1973? Something like that.

They didn't need permission from the exchequer to do it, I think it miffed a succession of chancellor's that they did in fact.

I'm not entirely sure on the details but it was pretty much as simple as getting their central bank to use a one for one equivalence internally in Irish banking. Kind of fucked with their foreign currency holdings though as they couldn't control other countries not regarding the punt as equal to the pound

Definitely 70s, I think late rather than early though. And yes they devised the Irish pound in...1920s I think. They actually kept the pound for a period after initial separation before they developed that currency Which is different from Scottish pound notes in that it was not the same currency with a different appearance but was a separate currency that as you say was tied to the pound sterling.

They needed agreement from the UK government and did so in cooperation with the Bank Of England. As you say down the line there might have been complaints from subsequent people but that could be the usual attempts to excuse current problems by an issue from the past.

Per last referendum the SNP planned to keep the pound and the UK government said that was not going to happen. Why they did that aside from posturing (which should always be considered a likely factor) or to swing the vote I'm not certain why they would choose to do so. One factor that might be connected to it is one of the reasons that UK wanted the Irish pound remain tied to the pound sterling, namely that it preserved the pound sterling's value. If Scotland is seen as being able to have a negative impact on the currency in the event of independence they might not want that economic anchor on the pound.

What she should do is hold a consultative referendum on whether holyrood should make a formal application to westminster asking to hold a referendum.

It'd be a good proxy for sentiment, better than opinion polls anyway

Two problems with that. First that would cost money for yet another referendum (even if only a consultative one). Second is there's no desire for the SNP to do that since they might not get the answer they want. As currently stands they can say them being voted in is proof people want independence. If they ran a consultative referendum and found differently they would be in a situation where they would need to keep quiet until next election or they would keep running referendums till they get the answer they want.

I keep hearing the "once in a generation" excuse all the time but nobody fucking clarifies how long it would or should be. Would it be every seven years like the GFA states for a unity referendum in Northern Ireland? Would it be fucking 50 years like Bojo wants it? Would it be fair to make differences between the Unity and Independence referendum dates?

Even in the most chav-ridden council estates near me seven is considered a bit young to be starting the next generation. But yeah, would have been nice if people had the good damn sense during the referendum to nail down the once in a generation thing. But expecting that from politicians is wildly optimistic.

I'd personally have gone for 20 year gap. Provides time for a fresh generation be conceived and hit voting age and with the elections every four years having a number divisible by four is convenient to allow parties running when it would be viable to make that part of their campaign.

Well technically they can still exit it, there's nothing stopping a country from leaving the EU if the majority vote for it and pulling a UK. Would the EU make it difficult? I can absolutely see that happening but they aren't going to stop them by force

True, they could exit the EU rather than stay under unfavourable conditions. But since the intent seems to be to enter, despite the EU being exceedingly unlikely to want Scotland, which will mean going through a lot of trouble. Then deciding any time soon after that to even consider leaving seems vastly unlikely. I could not see a party campaigning under a goal of Scotland exiting the EU getting any traction for decades,

As much as I hate the UK. I'd rather still trade with the UK over the EU in a independence scenario. Only because it's far more profitable for both nations if proper agreements were put in place. That is of course, if both nations governments don't act like children in which case i'd rather just go with Spite.

Doesn't need both governments to be children, just one will do it. I'd hope that common sense would prevail but nothing about the whole matter so far has me optimistic there.

Technically possible though not a good idea as a whole in longevity. Salmond calls it Sterlingisation but in reality it's just pegging the pound. It's been done before with ROI but as brahmarakshasolempi has said. It's got it's drawbacks.

Also joining the EU requires joining the ERM II scheme for joining the Euro which takes a while and requires an independent currency to begin with so pegging wouldn't make much sense in that regard.

And as much as people go on about being forced into the Euro as a requirement, that hasn't stopped the likes of Sweden and Denmark from ignoring ERM II and having referendums on joining the Euro while still being in the EU without any consequences. The minute the EU forces Sweden and Denmark to use the Euro is the time I can see both countries turning around to leave so I can see Scotland also pulling something similar if it does come down to that, depending on who's in charge of course.

It's true, Scotland could theoretically remain tied to the pound after leaving and entering the EU, though as you say a poor idea long term.

As regards the Euro though with the resistance against Scotland joining I cannot see that not being a condition of their joining. Scotland don't have the negotiating power Sweden and Denmark have and based off Nicola's rhetoric they'd be aiming to join the EU at all costs. Swallowing the Euro would likely not even got to a referendum without some fairly massive protests.

A majority of Scottish people would think that Scotland would be poorer as a result but to think it would end up like a fucking third-world country is braindead retarded.

This is fair. I might have been exaggerating for the sake of humour.

 

[Slimy Time]

Salmond Evidence to be Removed By Holyrood

Holyrood is to to remove, redact, and republish ministerial code submission with "immediate effect" after an intervention by the Crown Office, which as

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Salmond Evidence to be Removed By Holyrood

Holyrood is to to remove, redact, and republish ministerial code submission with "immediate effect" after an intervention by the Crown Office, which as

order-order.com

Redaction Hides Salmond's Accusation Sturgeon Lied to Parliament

Guido can reveal that far from protecting the identity of victims, a redaction ordered of Salmond's evidence in fact protects the First Minister from

order-order.com

Seems like there is blatant crookery going on in Scotland, which is not surprising in the least.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Salmond Evidence to be Removed By Holyrood

Holyrood is to to remove, redact, and republish ministerial code submission with "immediate effect" after an intervention by the Crown Office, which as

order-order.com

Salmond Evidence to be Removed By Holyrood

Holyrood is to to remove, redact, and republish ministerial code submission with "immediate effect" after an intervention by the Crown Office, which as

order-order.com

Redaction Hides Salmond's Accusation Sturgeon Lied to Parliament

Guido can reveal that far from protecting the identity of victims, a redaction ordered of Salmond's evidence in fact protects the First Minister from

order-order.com

Seems like there is blatant crookery going on in Scotland, which is not surprising in the least.

Should have known Salmond wouldn't land a clean blow. Doubt he'll manage to tomorrow either.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Speaking of socialist dinosaurs thrashing about ineffectually and destroying everything they claim they want to save...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56195799

https://archive.is/wip/Ey3iT

The entrance to the tunnel is through a shed in Euston Square Gardens

Three activists have left a tunnel near Euston station dug in protest against the HS2 rail project.
Dan Hooper, known as Swampy, Isla Sandford, known as Blue, and a 22-year-old activist left after 30 days in the tunnel in Euston Square Gardens.
One person remains in the tunnel, thought to be 100ft (30m) long.

HS2 Ltd said all three were assessed by paramedics before being handed to the Met Police and taken to hospital as a precaution.

The network of tunnels, dug in secret by HS2 Rebellion protesters, was discovered on 26 January.
So far eight people have left the tunnel, including Dr Larch Maxey who was removed and arrested on Monday.

Dan Hooper (left) Isla Sandford (centre) and a 22-year-old person left after 30 days in the tunnel

Leaving the tunnel Ms Sandford, 18, said: "Young people don't have much power against the deniers - the government, the oil companies, the mass media.
"Peaceful disobedience is the only thing that's working, but it's not enough.

"I'm going to carry on protesting with everything I have because I'm fighting for the lives of everyone I love."

On 10 February a High Court judge ordered the demonstrators to leave the tunnels.
The judge also rejected an application for an order to stop HS2 removing the protesters.

Isla Sandford (left) says she will carry on protesting

An HS2 Ltd spokesperson said: "As part of the ongoing operation at Euston Square Gardens we have successfully removed three further illegal trespassers from the tunnel.
"We continue to do all we can to end this illegal action safely.

"We reiterate our message to those (sic) who remain underground to comply with their court orders and exit the tunnel immediately - for their own safety and that of the HS2 staff, agents and emergency service personnel involved in this operation."

Those gardens have been utterly destroyed by these faggots. Every time these "eco warriors" protest about some green patch getting damaged by development, they end up turning it to a mud-filled pit. The trees were going to be transplanted, but now I bet they're already dying or dead.

It happened exactly the same way when they put a bypass around Newbury. The small amount of woodland that was going to be affected was due to be transplanted, preseving as much of the ecosystem as possible, but by the time the activists were done with their protest, it was utterly destroyed. They'd pissed and shit on everything, broken trees with their protest platforms and trampled the undergrowth into the dirt.

Hypocrites. Makes me mad enough to want stickers.

 

[CWCissey]

Speaking of socialist dinosaurs thrashing about ineffectually and destroying everything they claim they want to save...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56195799

https://archive.md/wip/Ey3iT

Those gardens have been utterly destroyed by these faggots. Every time these "eco warriors" protest about some green patch getting damaged by development, they end up turning it to a mud-filled pit. The trees were going to be transplanted, but now I bet they're already dying or dead.

It happened exactly the same way when they put a bypass around Newbury. The small amount of woodland that was going to be affected was due to be transplanted, preseving as much of the ecosystem as possible, but by the time the activists were done with their protest, it was utterly destroyed. They'd pissed and shit on everything, broken trees with their protest platforms and trampled the undergrowth into the dirt.

Hypocrites. Makes me mad enough to want stickers.

It always makes me laugh when the media talks to these people too.

They always claim they're doing it 'for the people' but they always have that ghastly Made In Chelsea accent and went to private school and shit.

Then you talk to the people who are tearing them out of those foxholes (and duffing them over on the quiet) and they're usually from a working class background just wanting to do their fucking job.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Speaking of socialist dinosaurs thrashing about ineffectually and destroying everything they claim they want to save...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56195799

https://archive.md/wip/Ey3iT

Those gardens have been utterly destroyed by these faggots. Every time these "eco warriors" protest about some green patch getting damaged by development, they end up turning it to a mud-filled pit. The trees were going to be transplanted, but now I bet they're already dying or dead.

It happened exactly the same way when they put a bypass around Newbury. The small amount of woodland that was going to be affected was due to be transplanted, preseving as much of the ecosystem as possible, but by the time the activists were done with their protest, it was utterly destroyed. They'd pissed and shit on everything, broken trees with their protest platforms and trampled the undergrowth into the dirt.

Hypocrites. Makes me mad enough to want stickers.

I hate eco-lunatics.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that they are protesting the building of a fucking TRAIN LINE, i.e. an environmentally friendly mass transportation system.

 

[Twitter Hate Mob]

I hate eco-lunatics.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that they are protesting the building of a fucking TRAIN LINE, i.e. an environmentally friendly mass transportation system.

Yes but the Tories want it therefore it's inherently bad and evil and nothing will ever change their mind about this.

 

[Coolio55]

Can someone do us all a favour and run their exhaust into the tunnels? Preferably in a recreation dukes of hazzard car with a southern flag on the top.
Or just release some butane or whatever. Just get the job done.

 

[CWCissey]

Can someone do us all a favour and run their exhaust into the tunnels? Preferably in a recreation dukes of hazzard car with a southern flag on the top.
Or just release some butane or whatever. Just get the job done.

Just chuck a couple of tear gas canisters down there, that'll clear them sharpish.

 

[It'sallabitsillyreally]

Just chuck a couple of tear gas canisters down there, that'll clear them sharpish.

Waste of tear gas. Just go ahead with the work while they're still in. Saves on need for a trial too.
Also the guy on the right in the third photo is giving me vibes of someone with something degenerate in their closet.

 

[CWCissey]

Waste of tear gas. Just go ahead with the work while they're still in. Saves on need for a trial too.
Also the guy on the right in the third photo is giving me vibes of someone with something degenerate in their closet.

Nah don't want to wreck any equipment when the tunnel inevitably collapses. You know those crusty hippies have brilliant lawyers too.

 

[East_Clintwood]

They always claim they're doing it 'for the people' but they always have that ghastly Made In Chelsea accent and went to private school and shit.

It's almost like normal people aren't able to twat around for months at a time being sanctimonious cunts because they have better things to be doing...

 

[Clem Fandango]

Nah don't want to wreck any equipment when the tunnel inevitably collapses. You know those crusty hippies have brilliant lawyers too.

Yeah, it's better to get them out first. I don't want a rail suddenly dropping by six inches because Swampy's dessicated corpse finally gave up the ghost.

Not that I wouldn't support meaner and quicker ways of evicting these eco-scum. Maybe we could use bees or wasps? That would at least lend a certain irony to proceedings.