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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Ponderous Pillock said:
I don't think anyone not white actually reads The Guardian thats not a member of Labour and thus already worth six figures and can afford to let Owen and Ash whinge and offer solutions. They've never had a good idea in their lives using their collective half braincell between them.

The UK's a lot emptier than folks realise, and there's even areas in the jam packed South Coast that has nobody living there currently. If we took in all 3 million people in Hong Kong, they could be given a six square mile piece of UK turf to build "Hong Kong 2.0" which isn't exactly the largest chunk of territory in the world.

It was also mooted as a tongue-in-cheek exercise during the dying Thatcher/Major years to give Hong Kong to China... completely empty and evacuate everyone to Northern Ireland to ensure fanatical loyalty to the UK for another 4 centuries by changing the demographics so enormously the Republicans would have simply no hope of ever using demographic change to steal British territory.

Northern Mining Towns will typically be looking for solutions for revival, and it might be the Hong Kongers have a solution we don't know about yet.
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Still, what do you think will happen to Hong Kongers in 2050 if they were all moved to London? There'll be a whole generation of people who have only known Britain, but will be minorities in the state. Odds are most of the new generation will feel marginalised at some point or another, even if the exclusion is totally benign (see: black people and the bandaid colour thing). I'm not saying this feeling is wholly unjustified, but if the current grievance culture isn't completely ridiculed out of the public sphere, you're gonna have young liberally-minded HongKongers, who will rightly see there's a lot of hay to be made bemoaning the unconscious prejudice they suffer in the country that saved their parents from authoritarian rule, and again, if today's grievance culture is still intact, we'll all be the assholes for pointing out complaining Britain has Original Sin for existing in its current form is a really entitled thing to do.
 
I don't know why you're assuming they'll all be in London when that's Paki territory. They'll want to live near those people as much as anyone else that has two brain cells to rub together does. Suck-a-dick Khan and the rest of the "community" are going to be as welcoming to them as anyone else who will threaten to ruin their gravy train and ruin they will in London as they''re going to be hardcore Tory loyalists for generations. You're also assuming for whatever reason that its going to be the white English who will be marginalizing them and forcing them aside and not say, the "Asians" and their rape gangs. Seriously, you don't need to be so hung up on "muh minority status". Anywhere outside the shitholes like London and Brighton will be just fine with their new neighbors so long as they try their best to sing along with "God Save the Queen", no matter how bad they actually are at it. We really are in a post-racial world outside of the places that keep pushing grievance bullshit for money and influence.
 
Snekposter said:
I don't know why you're assuming they'll all be in London when that's Paki territory. They'll want to live near those people as much as anyone else that has two brain cells to rub together does. Suck-a-dick Khan and the rest of the "community" are going to be as welcoming to them as anyone else who will threaten to ruin their gravy train and ruin they will in London as they''re going to be hardcore Tory loyalists for generations. You're also assuming for whatever reason that its going to be the white English who will be marginalizing them and forcing them aside and not say, the "Asians" and their rape gangs. Seriously, you don't need to be so hung up on "muh minority status". Anywhere outside the shitholes like London and Brighton will be just fine with their new neighbors so long as they try their best to sing along with "God Save the Queen", no matter how bad they actually are at it. We really are in a post-racial world outside of the places that keep pushing grievance bullshit for money and influence.
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Of all the people of this earth to live side-by-side, HongKongers and Brits seem the least fractious. All I'm saying is don't think you can rush into such action unplanned. The aftermath of the Blair years demonstrate what winging it gets you.
You mention Pakistanis but that's really the worst example. You have people that are offered affirmative action for the virtue of their background, yet complain they suffer anti-muslim discrimination. I'd be saying the same exact thing were it a million Welsh people acting the same in Pakistan.
Also I'd genuinely dispute your assertion that prejudice is gone. Post-racial society? Sure, but ask yourself is someone has a thick Bolton or Brummie accent if they're taken as seriously as somebody with RP in certain industries.
 
Snekposter said:
You're acting like the Hong Kongers will be leaping into the arms of the China-loving Labour Party when as things stand, its BoJo and the Tories who are welcoming them as refugees seeking freedom from the Commie bastards in Beijing. That's like saying the Cubans in Florida are all going to be embracing the Democratic Party in 10 years because they're brown. Could they? Possibly. Will they? Who knows, but nothing in life is certain. From where I stand you're going to have three solid generations of solid blue Tory voters because fuck Beijng.
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You use the example of Cubans in Florida, but the issue isn't first-generation immigrants - it's second-generation onwards. The first-generation Cubans would never vote for the Democrats - but their children very well might, as they'll have never grown up and experienced the mess that is Cuba, and will be more prone to viewing themselves akin to other Latinos in the US. And we all know how Latinos tend to vote in elections.

The same applies to HKers in the UK. The first-generation HKers would never vote for Labour and their socialist policies. But their children probably would, due to not having experienced Beijing's iron fist, and having more of an interest in the identity politics of Labour that promise them free shit for being a minority. It's also why second-generation Muslim immigrants tend to be way more prone to radicalization than first-generation Muslim immigrants, despite the latter having grown up in fundamentalist countries.
 
There's a reason I said it was a possibility, but when you've got mom and dad and later on grandma and grandpa telling you just how fucked up shit was, you tend not to stray much, especially since Asians value family and elders to an impressive extent. I mean, the Cuban Revolution ended in 1959 and the Cubans are still a reliable anti-Commie voting block even as people fleeing has largely slowed down to a trickle after 1980. Only now are we seeing support for ending the embargo among them, and even that isn't all that large. Never underestimate the value of spite when it comes to one rejecting seemingly rational offers, like votes-for-gibs.
 
Snekposter said:
You're acting like the Hong Kongers will be leaping into the arms of the China-loving Labour Party when as things stand, its BoJo and the Tories who are welcoming them as refugees seeking freedom from the Commie bastards in Beijing. That's like saying the Cubans in Florida are all going to be embracing the Democratic Party in 10 years because they're brown. Could they? Possibly. Will they? Who knows, but nothing in life is certain. From where I stand you're going to have three solid generations of solid blue Tory voters because fuck Beijng.
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There's already a fairly large Hong Kong community within the UK. Even the ones that don't have British National Overseas passport, have a Hong Kong administrative Zone one, which allows them a lot more access to countries than a regular Chinese passport, including the UK.

Most Hong Kong citizens I've met travel home regularly and tend to have strong business connections there.

One example I've come across is a small commercial printers, where the graphic designers were all family members of the owners back in Hong Kong.

Also Hong Kong citizens are wealthier than the typical Chinese national, (hence why Chinese need visas to enter Hong Kong) however a lot of them also have government pensions etc, which they may not be able to collect in the UK.

Most Hong Kong citizens made peace with the PRC a long time ago, and aren't going to uproot their lives unless they personally feel under threat. Don't forget Hong Kong was never a democracy, the UK ruled it directly for over a century. I really don't think there's going to be a mass migration to the UK.
 
There's just a small difference between how heavy-handed the UK and China have been towards the people of HK though. There wasn't going to be any significant movement away when they were freer and better off than the mainlanders, and their visas gave them much easier travel and business opportunities. But China is cracking down and the USA is axing those special privileges they had the average Chinese citizen didn't. They're going to have to pick and choose between China and the West real fucking soon.
 
Police in England and Wales ‘twice as likely’ to fine young BAME men during lockdown

Police were twice as likely to fine young black and Asian men under the lockdown rules than their white counterparts, according to new figures that underline concerns about racial bias in policing.

Analysis of fixed-penalty notices issued under the coronavirus regulations by National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) found that black, Asian and minority ethnic people (BAME) were 1.6 times more likely to be fined than white people.

But for young black and Asian men the difference was even more pronounced. Young men aged between 18 and 34 from BAME groups were over-represented by around twice the rate of young white men, the study found.

The NPCC found 17,039 fines were issued between 27 March and 25 May, which represents only three fines per 10,000 people. But the rate for black people was 4.6 per 10,000 and for Asian people it was 4.7.

NPCC chair, Martin Hewitt, admitted that the figures raised alarms and that individual forces should consider how they tackle racial bias.
He said: “While it is a complex picture, it is a concern to see disparity between white and black, Asian or ethnic minority people. Each force will be looking at this carefully to assess and mitigate any risk of bias – conscious or unconscious – and to minimise disproportionate impact wherever possible.”

He said the analysis would inform an NPCC action plan on inclusion and race equality in policing.

“After the killing of George Floyd, there has been a real look internally at the progress that we have made in terms of policing relationships with the black community and the inclusivity of policing. We have done a lot, but we haven’t done enough and it hasn’t gone fast enough. We are in the process of working through what will be a significant new plan of action in terms of how we deal with issues of inclusivity within the service. The findings of this analysis will be further considered as part of that work.”

But Hewitt urged caution over interpreting local racial disparity in the figures because so few cases were involved. He admitted in the mainly rural Cumbria force, BAME people were 6.8 times more likely to be fined than white people, as the Guardian revealed last week.

But he pointed out that in half the forces of England and Wales, including Cumbria, fewer than 40 than fines were issued to BAME people.
Hewitt said: “It hard to draw striking conclusions form such small numbers.”

He added: “For a number of forces, continued focus on crime and violence could affect their disparity rate as areas of that have been a focus of police activity are also areas with a higher concentration of black, Asian and minority ethnic people, which also increases the possibility of officers identifying and dealing with breaches during those deployments.
“In communities or groups with lower trust in police, attempts to encourage before enforcing may be less successful.”

The figures come as the police across England and Wales face an inquiry by the Independent Office for Police Conduct to establish whether they racially discriminate against ethnic minorities in their use of force and stop and search.

Several key indicators show police powers in England and Wales are used disproportionately against BAME communities. Stop and search is nine times more likely to be used against black people, and Taser stun gun use almost eight times more likely.

Katrina Ffrench, chief executive of the charity StopWatch, which campaigns for fair and accountable policing, said: “It is saddening to know that even in a global pandemic young black males are subjected to such over-policing and viewed with so much suspicion.”
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> BAME people more likely to contract and have serious symptoms of corona.
> Areas of high BAME populations are all the worst hit.
> BAME people are most likely to be fined for flouting corona rules.

Now, why might those be linked... Oh yeah MUH RACISM, George Floyd, stop searches, muh BLM, the police are rwacist...

Or in reality who are the ones who are breaking the rules more and causing local peaks and therefore being caught more often. These people have no idea how stats work, it's not how many have been fined per amount of population, it's how many have been fined per amount of people breaking the rules.
 
Coccxys said:
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> BAME people more likely to contract and have serious symptoms of corona.
> Areas of high BAME populations are all the worst hit.
> BAME people are most likely to be fined for flouting corona rules.

Now, why might those be linked... Oh yeah MUH RACISM, George Floyd, stop searches, muh BLM, the police are rwacist...

Or in reality who are the ones who are breaking the rules more and causing local peaks and therefore being caught more often. These people have no idea how stats work, it's not how many have been fined per amount of population, it's how many have been fined per amount of people breaking the rules.
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Finally, the UK gets its own 'DESPITE...' meme.
 
Bender said:
You forgot to mention giving your teenagers knives, nothing makes Northern teens happier than a good old gang war. You know, as long as they win the gang war, otherwise they're whiny little shits.
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That sounds more like a London scum thing.
 
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