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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Fareal]

And yet Hong Kong is on a similar economic footing with the UK, the people would be fleeing genuine tyranny and most of all British citizens.

That scheme applies to those who hold a dual Passport.

For fucks sake stop encouraging them to import filthy chinkies and all their plagues. The Poles at least could have passed for white after a few generations of interbreeding. The last thing we need is three million gibbering slants with compulsive gambling problems trying to open more shitty takeaways and dodge taxes.

 

[Clem Fandango]

For fucks sake stop encouraging them to import filthy chinkies and all their plagues. The Poles at least could have passed for white after a few generations of interbreeding. The last thing we need is three million gibbering slants with compulsive gambling problems trying to open more shitty takeaways and dodge taxes.

Calm down, they're not going to move to Scotland

 

[CWCissey]

For fucks sake stop encouraging them to import filthy chinkies and all their plagues. The Poles at least could have passed for white after a few generations of interbreeding. The last thing we need is three million gibbering slants with compulsive gambling problems trying to open more shitty takeaways and dodge taxes.

That's the thing though.

Hong Kong chinkies are a different breed to the mainlanders. They're polite for one thing.

 

[Terrorist]

That's the thing though.

Hong Kong chinkies are a different breed to the mainlanders. They're polite for one thing.

So what? A native Brit shouldn't want even more cultural dilution and competition for (increasingly scarce) jobs from any source, whether it's Poland, Bulgaria, Durkadurkastan or Hong Kong. You think 3 million Chinks won't be a burden to assimilate, and this won't impact natives?

"They're polite" lol come on, you sound like Dubya when he said Hispanics were natural conservatives. What's your next argument, you should let them in because they have good food? I bet there are a lot of polite and productive Muslims too, who have also fled from genuine tyranny. Is Britain supposed to be an international dumping ground for whenever some group of POC has a sad?

I know it's pointless to respond seriously to a dumb strawman comic, but yes most British people probably feel a stronger historical responsibility to the people Hong Kong than they do to the people of, say, Bulgaria. And certainly more than to bogus "refugees" from the four corners of the world that pass through a dozen safe EU countries to get here.

Why should Anglos feel any historical responsibility for HKers? As an American, I feel no historical responsibility for Filipinos. This is one of the same arguments that were used to let in the Pakis: "They were part of the commonwealth once too so now we're obligated to look after them". You guys should know better than to try and be the world's nanny.

 

[Niggard]

So what? A native Brit shouldn't want even more cultural dilution and competition for (increasingly scarce) jobs from any source, whether it's Poland, Bulgaria, Durkadurkastan or Hong Kong. You think 3 million Chinks won't be a burden to assimilate, and this won't impact natives?

"They're polite" lol come on, you sound like Dubya when he said Hispanics were natural conservatives. What's your next argument, you should let them in because they have good food? I bet there are a lot of polite and productive Muslims too, who have also fled from genuine tyranny. Is Britain supposed to be an international dumping ground for whenever some group of POC has a sad?



Why should Anglos feel any historical responsibility for HKers? As an American, I feel no historical responsibility for Filipinos. This is one of the same arguments that were used to let in the Pakis: "They were part of the commonwealth once too so now we're obligated to look after them". You guys should know better than to try and be the world's nanny.

The UK signed a treaty to protect Hong Kong's autonomy when it was annexed by China. That's why they're our responsibility.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

The UK signed a treaty to protect Hong Kong's autonomy when it was annexed by China. That's why they're our responsibility.

China didn't hold up their half of the deal - why should we have to hold up our end to our own detriment?

 

[AnOminous]

That's the thing though.

Hong Kong chinkies are a different breed to the mainlanders. They're polite for one thing.

And they like freedom, but unfortunately for them, they're now legally part of the most insect-like country of naked mole rats disguised as humans that ever existed in the history of the world.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Hong Kongers are culturally very british. They're also entreprenurial, hard working and will bring that attitude here. They won't tolerate a lot of the UK baizuo attitude for very long at all.

One of the great cons perpetuated by many is the thinking that "british" necessarily means "whitey livin in the isles"

For an insanely long time it meant anyone subject to her flag, but the settler dominions in particular.

The Imperial Federation Movement was huge back in the day but could never quite break through, which is sad.

 

[Niggard]

China didn't hold up their half of the deal - why should we have to hold up our end to our own detriment?

Because we're not the People's Republic Of China

 

[Terrorist]

One of the great cons perpetuated by many is the thinking that "british" necessarily means "whitey livin in the isles"

For an insanely long time it meant anyone subject to her flag, but the settler dominions in particular.

That's technically true, but was it historically the attitude of the actual British population? Did they think of Pakis, Nigerians, Chinese, and West Indians as their kin, or just under the same flag (possibly as their lessers, being colonial subjects)? The Notting Hill and Brixton rioters certainly didn't believe that.

We also have East Asian immigrants who work hard and love freedom and blah blah blah [insert cliche here], but they overwhelmingly vote democrat. Their kids are some of the first and worst to adopt Baizuo crap, whine about whitey, etc. Does Hong-couver have a vibrant right wing scene? I see Ellen Paos, Sarah Jeongs, and Arthur Chus in Britain's future.

Pao, btw, is the descendant of a BASED right wing Kuomintang commander from Taiwan who the daft limeys in this thread would have probably loved to import too. There's no reason to assume nationalists in China (HK protesters aren't even remotely right-wing so I use that term loosely) will become British nationalists when they come over and their kids, grandkids, etc. will be like that too. Why would (hypothetically) 3 million people who benefited directly from mass immigration and globalism oppose either of those things?

Multiculturalism is bad for character, everyone is boiled into a big stew of shite.

 

[Fareal]

Calm down, they're not going to move to Scotland

Wrong. There are more than 12,000 chingchongs in Glasgow alone according to the last census, and almost all of them are of HK extraction. They’re coming, as all immigrants do, to areas which already have long established expatriate communities.

 

[Snekposter]

How can anyone tolerate living in Scotland though? Its cold, wet, foggy, damp, generally a shithole, and worst of all, filled with the fucking Scots!

 

[CWCissey]

How can anyone tolerate living in Scotland though? Its cold, wet, foggy, damp, generally a shithole, and worst of all, filled with the fucking Scots!

Alright, calm down Dr. Dagless!

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Wrong. There are more than 12,000 chingchongs in Glasgow alone according to the last census, and almost all of them are of HK extraction. They’re coming, as all immigrants do, to areas which already have long established expatriate communities.

They don't move to Scotland because there's already no jobs in Scotland. It's the same reason that the South Asians and Africans steer clear of Scotland.

 

[Snekposter]

Alright, calm down Dr. Dagless!

Edward the Longshanks did nothing wrong.

 

[soy_king]

Hong Kongers are culturally very british. They're also entreprenurial, hard working and will bring that attitude here. They won't tolerate a lot of the UK baizuo attitude for very long at all.

One of the great cons perpetuated by many is the thinking that "british" necessarily means "whitey livin in the isles"

For an insanely long time it meant anyone subject to her flag, but the settler dominions in particular.

The Imperial Federation Movement was huge back in the day but could never quite break through, which is sad.

People have said the same thing about being French, and look at how well that worked out for them. Hell, Algeria was part of France- not just a colony, and actual part of the nation- and that still failed.

This of course isn't to say that Hong Kongers are equivalent to Algerians or Guadeloupeans or Guyanese or what have you, but British culture must at some point be rooted in the indigenous people of the Island.

 

[Snekposter]

The difference between Algerians and Guyanese and everyone else is that Asians really, really love the Anglosphere, and always have. Its as exotic and different to them as Asia is to us. For fuck's sake the Asians love baseball and pro wrestling. Korea shamelessly copied the M1 Abrams for the K1 tank, and they named their spy agency after the CIA. Basically, anyone who isn't mainland China or a dependent puppet like the Norks really likes the West because China is asshoe. Of course, I may be biased due to having a Hong Konger as an Internet buddy who got out as a kid right before things went bad, and his mother is as fanatical about hockey as any other Canadian. And yes, they live in British Columbia. You can guess where.

Also, that fascination and admiration isn't exactly new. When William Adams (aka Miura Anjin) went to Japan Ieyasu Tokugawa really liked the guy and told the Portuguese missionaries hanging around to piss off when they wanted him executed for the crime of being an English Protestant, and he would go on to displace the Portuguese from their positions of power and influence.

 

[BeboRefugee]

The difference between Algerians and Guyanese and everyone else is that Asians really, really love the Anglosphere, and always have. Its as exotic and different to them as Asia is to us. For fuck's sake the Asians love baseball and pro wrestling. Korea shamelessly copied the M1 Abrams for the K1 tank, and they named their spy agency after the CIA. Basically, anyone who isn't mainland China or a dependent puppet like the Norks really likes the West because China is asshoe. Of course, I may be biased due to having a Hong Konger as an Internet buddy who got out as a kid right before things went bad, and his mother is as fanatical about hockey as any other Canadian. And yes, they live in British Columbia. You can guess where.

Also, that fascination and admiration isn't exactly new. When William Adams (aka Miura Anjin) went to Japan Ieyasu Tokugawa really liked the guy and told the Portuguese missionaries hanging around to piss off when they wanted him executed for the crime of being an English Protestant, and he would go on to displace the Portuguese from their positions of power and influence.

I think the question is will transplanting millions of visible minorities lead to tensions, 10, 20, 50 years from now?
Will the Ash Sarkars and Owen Jones' of the world embark on a campaign to make HK-Brits hate Conservative Britain the way they do wrt Black and Asian Britons? Can the state reasonably house millions of people nearly immediately, and how will this influence society if theres a failure to be mindfull of both HK's needs getting a fair shot starting a new life, and the assorted mining towns of the North who have felt neglected for decades?

This isn't like the USA 140 years ago where there was a whole continent to settle and you could conceivably pack a load of foreigners up and fuck them off to start a new town out west. Every village and town and hillside has some trace of habitation going back thousands of years. Nobody has a right to say a Welsh farmer's right to heritage is less valid than the whims of the incumbent party, and by contrast, HongKongers maybe won't appreciate the refuge gesture if they're made to resettle in 1000 different places. They're going to gravitate back together for closeness' sake (probably making London sprawl further than ever)

 

[Snekposter]

You're acting like the Hong Kongers will be leaping into the arms of the China-loving Labour Party when as things stand, its BoJo and the Tories who are welcoming them as refugees seeking freedom from the Commie bastards in Beijing. That's like saying the Cubans in Florida are all going to be embracing the Democratic Party in 10 years because they're brown. Could they? Possibly. Will they? Who knows, but nothing in life is certain. From where I stand you're going to have three solid generations of solid blue Tory voters because fuck Beijng.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I think the question is will transplanting millions of visible minorities lead to tensions, 10, 20, 50 years from now?
Will the Ash Sarkars and Owen Jones' of the world embark on a campaign to make HK-Brits hate Conservative Britain the way they do wrt Black and Asian Britons? Can the state reasonably house millions of people nearly immediately, and how will this influence society if theres a failure to be mindfull of both HK's needs getting a fair shot starting a new life, and the assorted mining towns of the North who have felt neglected for decades?

This isn't like the USA 140 years ago where there was a whole continent to settle and you could conceivably pack a load of foreigners up and fuck them off to start a new town out west. Every village and town and hillside has some trace of habitation going back thousands of years. Nobody has a right to say a Welsh farmer's right to heritage is less valid than the whims of the incumbent party, and by contrast, HongKongers maybe won't appreciate the refuge gesture if they're made to resettle in 1000 different places. They're going to gravitate back together for closeness' sake (probably making London sprawl further than ever)

I don't think anyone not white actually reads The Guardian thats not a member of Labour and thus already worth six figures and can afford to let Owen and Ash whinge and offer solutions. They've never had a good idea in their lives using their collective half braincell between them.

The UK's a lot emptier than folks realise, and there's even areas in the jam packed South Coast that has nobody living there currently. If we took in all 3 million people in Hong Kong, they could be given a six square mile piece of UK turf to build "Hong Kong 2.0" which isn't exactly the largest chunk of territory in the world.

It was also mooted as a tongue-in-cheek exercise during the dying Thatcher/Major years to give Hong Kong to China... completely empty and evacuate everyone to Northern Ireland to ensure fanatical loyalty to the UK for another 4 centuries by changing the demographics so enormously the Republicans would have simply no hope of ever using demographic change to steal British territory.

Northern Mining Towns will typically be looking for solutions for revival, and it might be the Hong Kongers have a solution we don't know about yet.