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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Beautiful Border said:
If all of your knowledge of Britain comes from misleading tabloid articles designed to spark outrage, then of course you're going to think we're crazy. The UK has plenty of good things going for it, you are actively seeking out the worst stories you can find to confirm your biases. This website is very America-centric and it shows, the view that most users here seem to have of life in Britain really seems divorced from reality. I'm not saying the UK has flaws, of course it does (as does any country), but they are being ludicrously exaggerated by people who obviously don't actually live here.

This article appears to be talking about a report that was issued by a think tank, i.e this isn't official government policy or police procedure. The only official response to the proposal cited by the article is rebuffing it. In other words, this is a non-story.
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Fair enough. Tabloids are very misleading and can poison ones perception of the subject. in this case, the United Kingdom. But, that doesn't mean your country isn't a cancerous shithole that should be nuked.

Your populace does nothing to stop mass censorship. Your police often arrest people for social media posts. you mass in the tens of thousands to protest Donald trump while barely a hundred of you can be bothered to do the same when the King of Saudi Arabia visits, and proceeds to have his cock sucked by your aristocrats. Your populace constantly, incessantly bitches and moans about American foreign policy, and our own national procedures while your nation has committed soldiers in Yemen, and you proceed to entirely ignore the rape of thousands of children by migrants in just London alone. Your rights are as fickle as the think tank that came up with this nonsense, which will probably be considered and even passed by the idiots who run your country. "This porn law won't pass," It passes. "Article 11 and 13 won't pass," It passes. "We'll just use vpns," new laws to ban vpns show up. "They won't pass!' They pass. Your country will do whatever it takes to fuck it's people into the dirt, and you won't do a damn thing. That's what really boggles my mind. How hard do they have to fuck you for you to be sick of it.

You need licenses for owning a television to watching porn. You can call this website America-centric all you like, that doesn't mean your country is a meme for no reason.
 
It’s an article by the notably reactionary and UK-based Daily Mail focusing on part of a report, designed to get old people frothing at the mouth so they keep voting Tory.

The real issue is that the police are overstretched due to continued cutbacks. There are fewer officers on the streets, and those who haven’t been made redundant or quit are increasingly being made to do jobs they aren’t qualified for - for instance, a hell of a lot of cases get thrown out of court on technicalities because the paperwork is improperly filled out by the arresting officer rather than a trained desk sergeant. The police and the justice system just can’t stay on top of crime. So they’re trying desperately to find ways to lessen the workload, but coming up with dumb ideas.
 
The slippery slope ain't real folks, no sir-e it is totally false. Achmed and that 10 year old bride is just parcel of living in a modern London. Diversity is strength!
 
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It’s an article by the notably reactionary and UK-based Daily Mail focusing on part of a report, designed to get old people frothing at the mouth so they keep voting Tory.

The real issue is that the police are overstretched due to continued cutbacks. There are fewer officers on the streets, and those who haven’t been made redundant or quit are increasingly being made to do jobs they aren’t qualified for - for instance, a hell of a lot of cases get thrown out of court on technicalities because the paperwork is improperly filled out by the arresting officer rather than a trained desk sergeant. The police and the justice system just can’t stay on top of crime. So they’re trying desperately to find ways to lessen the workload, but coming up with dumb ideas.
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They seem to have no end of time and resource when it comes to investigating online hate speech. It's a matter of priorities not funding.
 
Yeeesh. Turns out the 28 Days Later movie really wasn't all that correct on the fall of the UK. It's not a rage virus- it's babyrapers.
 
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See U.K, this is why people think you suck. Who would actually support this? Which politician wants to be the one to run on the “CP isn’t that bad” platform.
 
Whatever respect I still had for that country due to their colorful and storied history alone has now disappeared entirely.

You are truly lost, England.



 
Poiseon said:
Fair enough. Tabloids are very misleading and can poison ones perception of the subject. in this case, the United Kingdom. But, that doesn't mean your country isn't a cancerous shithole that should be nuked.

Your populace does nothing to stop mass censorship. Your police often arrest people for social media posts. you mass in the tens of thousands to protest Donald trump while barely a hundred of you can be bothered to do the same when the King of Saudi Arabia visits, and proceeds to have his cock sucked by your aristocrats. Your populace constantly, incessantly bitches and moans about American foreign policy, and our own national procedures while your nation has committed soldiers in Yemen, and you proceed to entirely ignore the rape of thousands of children by migrants in just London alone. Your rights are as fickle as the think tank that came up with this nonsense, which will probably be considered and even passed by the idiots who run your country. "This porn law won't pass," It passes. "Article 11 and 13 won't pass," It passes. "We'll just use vpns," new laws to ban vpns show up. "They won't pass!' They pass. Your country will do whatever it takes to fuck it's people into the dirt, and you won't do a damn thing. That's what really boggles my mind. How hard do they have to fuck you for you to be sick of it.

You need licenses for owning a television to watching porn. You can call this website America-centric all you like, that doesn't mean your country is a meme for no reason.
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First of all, I'd like to again make it clear that I believe there are plenty of real problems with the UK, and you touched upon some of them. The main one is the amount of apathy. People don't protest if they don't think it will immediately screw them over, and when we do protest we don't get angry enough to scare the establishment. The last real mass protests we had that led to a change of policy were against the poll tax in the 90s. The Trump protests you mentioned were massively overblown by American liberal media because they fit the narrative of "Look, Europe hates Trump!" (even though there were counter-protests in support of him, too). We're talking about virtue-signalling middle-class Londoners who were doing it so they could post pictures of themselves on Twitter and Instagram, not average Brits. Judging the whole of the UK based on those people is like basing your opinions on Americans entirely on the type of people who live in San Francisco and Portland, Oregon.

The porn ban you mentioned keeps getting pushed back because it's essentially unworkable. The government has a track record of announcing a policy, repeatedly delaying it and then quietly cancelling it when interest has died down. It was just about winning votes from the elderly in an election that the Conservatives looked like they were going to lose.

Article 11 and 13 were decisions made by the EU, and after Brexit we can choose not to implement them.

Alright, now let's talk about the TV License. The name "license" is misleading, it's essentially a tax that pays for the public broadcasting service, the BBC. Most European countries actually have something similar, but for whatever reason we're the only ones who get ridiculed for it. List of all countries with TV licenses

And furthermore, it's incredibly easy to get away with not paying for it. The inspectors they send to your house do not have the legal right to enter your property, so all you have to do is tell them to go away and close the door and that's the end of it. At worst it's a mild inconvenience.

There are plenty of things I could ridicule America for. Lack of decent mass transit in major cities, people getting screwed over by private healthcare, jaywalking being a crime, etc. but I won't because I recognise that it has plenty of good things going for it too. It's the same with the UK, just with different positives and negatives.
 
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It’s an article by the notably reactionary and UK-based Daily Mail focusing on part of a report, designed to get old people frothing at the mouth so they keep voting Tory.

The real issue is that the police are overstretched due to continued cutbacks. There are fewer officers on the streets, and those who haven’t been made redundant or quit are increasingly being made to do jobs they aren’t qualified for - for instance, a hell of a lot of cases get thrown out of court on technicalities because the paperwork is improperly filled out by the arresting officer rather than a trained desk sergeant. The police and the justice system just can’t stay on top of crime. So they’re trying desperately to find ways to lessen the workload, but coming up with dumb ideas.
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I'd start by no longer employing twitter hate speech squads, but hey I am not an inbred islander so what do I know
 
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UK court orders forced abortion for disabled woman

A British judge has authorized doctors to perform an abortion on a pregnant Catholic woman with developmental disabilities and a mood disorder, despite the objections of the woman’s mother and the woman herself. The woman is 22 weeks pregnant.
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London, England, Jun 21, 2019 / 11:15 am (CNA).- A British judge has authorized doctors to perform an abortion on a pregnant Catholic woman with developmental disabilities and a mood disorder, despite the objections of the woman’s mother and the woman herself. The woman is 22 weeks pregnant.

“I am acutely conscious of the fact that for the State to order a woman to have a termination where it appears that she doesn't want it is an immense intrusion,” said Justice Nathalie Lieven in her ruling in the Court of Protection, June 21.

“I have to operate in [her] best interests, not on society's views of termination,” Lieven explained, arguing that her decision is in the best interest of the woman.

The Court of Protection handles cases involving individuals judged to lack the mental capacity to make decisions for themselves.

The woman, who cannot been publicly identified, has been described as “in her twenties,” and is under the care of an NHS trust, part of the UK’s National Health Service.




Doctors at the trust wished to abort her pregnancy and argued that, due to her diminished mental capacity, the abortion would be less traumatic for the woman than giving birth, especially if the baby would then be placed in foster care.

The woman’s mother made clear to doctors and the court that she would assume care of her grandchild.

The woman is believed to have the mental capacity of a grade school-age child. She is reportedly Catholic, and her mother is Nigerian.

It is unknown if the pregnancy was conceived consensually, and police are investigating the circumstances of conception.

The woman’s mother, reported to be a former midwife, registered her absolute opposition to the abortion citing the Catholic faith of herself and her daughter. A social worker who cares for the woman also disagreed that she should be forced to have an abortion.

The judge said she did not believe the woman understood what it meant to have a baby.

“I think she would like to have a baby in the same way she would like to have a nice doll,” Lieven said.

Lieven also said she did not believe the woman's mother, who already helps care for her daughter, would be able to offer care for a grandchild at the same time.

Allowing the child to be born and then removed from the woman’s home and placed into foster care or adoption would be against the woman’s own interests, the judge concluded.




“I think [the woman] would suffer greater trauma from having a baby removed [from her care],” Lieven said, because “it would at that stage be a real baby.”

Lieven clarified that the pregnancy “although real to [the woman], doesn’t have a baby outside her body she can touch.”

As a lawyer, Lieven has appeared in court before in cases concerning abortion. In 2011, while representing the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, an abortion provider, she argued that British women should be permitted to medically abort their pregnancies at their own homes instead of in a hospital.

Five years later, Lieven argued in court that Northern Ireland’s abortion laws were a violation of the United Kingdom’s Human Rights Act.

In 2017, she said that Northern Ireland’s abortion laws were akin to torture and were discriminatory.

Unrestricted abortion is legal in the UK until 24 weeks of pregnancy, after which doctors must certify that the abortion is in the medical interests of the mother.

NHS statistics show babies born at 24 weeks have a 50% chance of survival on average, though the rate depends on the NHS trust providing care. Babies born in a University College London Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust hospital in London at 23 weeks of gestation have a 70% chance of survival.
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I don't got a joke for this, this is just really fucked up and a terrifying precedent to set.
 
“I think she would like to have a baby in the same way she would like to have a nice doll,” Lieven said.
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This from the judge... excuse me, what is the definition of prejudice again?

For fuck's sake the child's grandmother is a midwife. If the child's mother is mentally deficient but their grandmother is an experienced caregiver where is the problem? And when we used to officially practice eugenics weren't we more concerned about the potential state of the offspring than the current state of the mother?
 
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