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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Remember this? Legal in America, wouldn't be in the UK.
This shit is why free speech is important, any laws passed against it will come back to bite you.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

You got a loicense for that wrong-think, m8?

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Ahh yes, the BBC goes into more detail.

Two teenage neo-Nazis, who encouraged an attack on Prince Harry for marrying a woman of mixed race, have been jailed for terrorism offences.

Michal Szewczuk, 19, from Leeds, and Oskar Dunn-Koczorowski, 18, from west London, were part of a group called the Sonnenkrieg Division.

An Old Bailey judge said their online propaganda was abhorrent and criminal.

Dunn-Koczorowski was given an 18-month detention and training order. Szewczuk was jailed for just over four years.

The defendants, who appeared by video link from HMP Belmarsh, in south-east London, did not react.

The court heard the teenagers used pseudonyms to run personal accounts on the Gab social media site, as well as sharing control of the Sonnenkrieg Division's own page, on which they posted self-designed propaganda that encouraged terrorist attacks.

Among other things, the imagery suggested the Duke of Sussex was a "race traitor" who should be shot, glorified the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik, and said white women who date non-white men should be hanged.

The material was "uniformly violent and threatening" and "the nature of the violence includes rape and execution", Judge Rebecca Poulet QC said.

Suggested targets included non-white and Jewish people, and the effect was to overtly encourage lone acts of violence against members of the public, the judge added.

She said the men had promoted both Sonnenkrieg and the American Atomwaffen Division, which were extreme right-wing groups inspired by a book called Siege written by the veteran American neo-Nazi James Mason in the 1980s.

Their ideology is violently racist and anti-Semitic neo-Nazism and its tactics involve political violence through acting alone or small-cell terrorism, she added.

She condemned an "additional feature" of the ideology by referencing a blog run by Szewczuk that encouraged the rape of female adults and babies.

Sonnenkrieg's activities were exposed last year by a BBC investigation.

Prosecutor Naomi Parsons, opening the case earlier in the hearing, told the court: "This isn't a keyboard organisation. It is intent on action."

She read from the group's mission statement, which declared: "Will you rise up and take the chance or will you sit back and do nothing… Hail victory, and Heil Hitler!"

In April, Szewczuk admitted two counts of encouraging terrorism and five of possessing documents useful to a terrorist.

Dunn-Koczorowski pleaded guilty while still a youth in December to two counts of encouraging terrorism.

The court heard Sonnenkrieg was influenced by the US-based group Atomwaffen Division, which is linked to five murders, and Mason, whose writings "may well represent the most violent, revolutionary and potentially terroristic expression of right-wing extremism current today".

'Machine of terror'
Sonnenkrieg promoted the idea that people should completely "drop out" of society and engage in a "total attack" on the system, Ms Parsons told the court.

She said Szewczuk also maintained an "extremely violent and aggressively misogynistic" blog that encouraged the rape, torture and murder of women and babies.

"You must become a machine of terror," Szewczuk had advised his readers.

In online comments, Dunn-Koczorowski suggested that decapitating babies would be acceptable to stop them becoming "leftist politicians" and proclaimed "terror is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death".

The pair were arrested the morning after the BBC investigation was broadcast in December.

Detectives found Szewczuk - then a computer science student at the University of Portsmouth - in possession of bomb-making instructions, documents describing how to conduct Islamist terror attacks and a "white resistance" manual.

A man from Bath arrested on the same day has been released under investigation and a file of evidence sent to the Crown Prosecution Service for a charging decision.

It is understood that Dunn-Koczorowski joined the now banned terrorist group National Action as a schoolboy and later played a role in two successor organisations before taking up with Sonnenkrieg.

The court heard he had breached his bail conditions in May by using social media to post about his extremist ideology.

The judge said he was in no sense showing "remorse", which was "very concerning".

"You still hold deeply entrenched views in support of this extreme right wing ideology," she told the teenager.

Det Chief Supt Martin Snowden, head of counter terrorism policing in the north-east of England, said Dunn-Koczorowski and Szewczuk clearly saw themselves as superior to the majority of society and they felt it was their duty to express their beliefs, in turn teaching others.

He told the BBC it "only takes one individual to be encouraged or be inspired by that propaganda to take that further step" and this "represents a significant risk".

Hitler imagined as avatar of a god
By Daniel De Simone, BBC home affairs producer

Sonnenkrieg Division, which police say has the most radical ideology on the UK extreme right, is the latest neo-Nazi group to emerge following the proscription of National Action under anti-terror laws three years ago.

Created by a small number of people, Sonnenkrieg used the internet to exaggerate its size and capabilities, with members seeking direct action from those accessing its propaganda.

Terrorism and criminality were encouraged, as was the transgression of what it caricatured as slavish morality, with sexual violence and paedophilia both advocated.

Their bizarre supernatural belief system imagined Hitler to be an avatar of a god, lionised the Moors Murderer Ian Brady and cult leader Charles Manson, and blended violent Satanism, a berserk misogyny, and admiration for radical Islamism.

The aim? To undermine and collapse civilization, which the group deemed a necessary forerunner to the creation of a Nazi warrior society.

The whole thing about "encouraging or glorifying terrorism" as an offence to my mind is suspect. I'm not entirely sure that should be an offence because of what is "terrorism" but suffice to say I can't help but feel there's more appetite to go after neo-Nazi terrorist glorifiers than Islamist terrorist glorifiers.

 

[Diabolical diabetic]

Every headline i read coming from the UK makes me hate it even more

 

[Wraith]

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Remember this? Legal in America, wouldn't be in the UK.
This shit is why free speech is important, any laws passed against it will come back to bite you.

Smart man. Got to it before I did.
I remember semi-recently there was a book advertised where Trump gets assassinated and a secret service agent in the book gives his gun to the guy who does it.
Also Chris going to prison for 4 years over his playing with toys to kill people.
I'm not conflicted about this evil mess in the UK, but I really would like to brainstorm on how to have some fun against the baddies in all of this. Also to hell with the monarchy.

 

[Coelacanth]

Ah part of another typical day in the UK, then. Good to know.

 

[Polystyrene Glioblastoma]

Fuck the royal family. They don't care about the people of the UK or the Commonwealth. They're absolute pussies. Call them figureheads and debate their true power of influence and government, but they are a weak people to let their culture and government get trainwreck by Marxists without a whimper. That's moreso the problem than simply just a marriage between a half black American. They don't care that the UK is being flooded with inbred Paki jihadists who are outbreeding Europeans in many areas.

 

[gun]

wouldn't be in the UK.

yeah it would cmon

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Smart man. Got to it before I did.
I remember semi-recently there was a book advertised where Trump gets assassinated and a secret service agent in the book gives his gun to the guy who does it.
Also Chris going to prison for 4 years over his playing with toys to kill people.
I'm not conflicted about this evil mess in the UK, but I really would like to brainstorm on how to have some fun against the baddies in all of this. Also to hell with the monarchy.

The thing I see is this, the people who want all this censorship and speech laws passed have a very short memory. I'm some sped with a very long one, and it's very fun to bring up hypocrisy when I see it.
Besides, it's like the line from 'The Hangman',
"First the alien, then the Jew, I only did what you let me do."
Once you let this stuff go, it will only get worse. And mark my words, the UK will get worse and worse if they don't wise up.

yeah it would cmon

Not Trump specifically, I meant more about any reigning authority. But yeah, they hate him.

 

[Carcinogenesis]

I've once heard this story of an oppressive government making life a living hell for their subjects. I forgot the name of the author, something like Orville. Why should any normal person care? Nothing from that story is happening here, keep calm and carry on!

 

[FierceBrosnan]

Edgy dumbass teens doing edgy dumbass teen things is terrorism in the UK? Is parliament drinking water straight from the Thames?

 

[Ginger Piglet]

Edgy dumbass teens doing edgy dumbass teen things is terrorism in the UK? Is parliament drinking water straight from the Thames?

Encouraging and glorifying terrorism as an offence was brought in in 2006.

Needless to say we all decried it at the time as an affront to freedom of expression because sometimes "terrorism" is a relative concept. It sailed through Parliament because after the 7 July 2005 tube bombings Tony Blair (piss be upon him) wanted to seen to be getting tough on terrorism without directing the authorities' attention towards radicalism in Muslim communities (which tended to vote Labour.) Despite the fact that 7/7 would not have been stopped by people encouraging or glorifying exploding the kuffar as they went to work.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I've once heard this story of an oppressive government making life a living hell for their subjects. I forgot the name of the author, something like Orville. Why should any normal person care? Nothing from that story is happening here, keep calm and carry on!

Ah yes, what was it?
"Fahrenheit 451?" No, that's not it.
"Brave New World?" Not quite.
Ah! Must have been "1984." The book that everyone likes to talk about, but few read.
But it is coming to that, and it's worrying.

 

[Piss Clam]

England going back to the old days then?

Bloody Code - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BBC NEWS | UK | Rough justice - Victorian style

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[Crichax]

Fuck the royal family. They don't care about the people of the UK or the Commonwealth. They're absolute pussies. Call them figureheads and debate their true power of influence and government, but they are a weak people to let their culture and government get trainwreck by Marxists without a whimper. That's moreso the problem than simply just a marriage between a half black American. They don't care that the UK is being flooded with inbred Paki jihadists who are outbreeding Europeans in many areas.

Harry: (sees pathetic police force, and the infestation of his country by da left) Fortnite is a threat to kids.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

The whole thing about "encouraging or glorifying terrorism" as an offence to my mind is suspect. I'm not entirely sure that should be an offence because of what is "terrorism" but suffice to say I can't help but feel there's more appetite to go after neo-Nazi terrorist glorifiers than Islamist terrorist glorifiers.

Don't put me on a watchlist or anything FBI dudes, but if anyone's guilty of fucking glorifying terrorism, it's these governments trying to censor their citizens. Nothing will get people to sympathize with enemies of the state more than the state trying to fuck them harder than their enemies. There are no neo nazis putting people in prison for bad speech, but there are some terrible fucking governments doing it. Just saying. With my freedom of speech I still have, for now.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

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Remember this? Legal in America, wouldn't be in the UK.
This shit is why free speech is important, any laws passed against it will come back to bite you.

Granted it was retarded and a desperate attention grab, but she should be allowed to do it without fear of imprisonment.
Oh, and here's a more apt version of that video:

RIP Harmful Opinions YT account.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

Granted it was exceptional and a desperate attention grab, but she should be allowed to do it without fear of imprisonment.
Oh, and here's a more apt version of that video:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Cedu2drumi4
RIP Harmful Opinions YT account.

Of course she should. That’s the point of free speech. The laws some people want to pass would end up screwing them over as well, and they can’t see that they are doing the same thing they claim to hate.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Holy shit, 4 (four) fucking years for a fucking poster?

You could murder an incumbent prime minister in the Netherlands and you'd have to serve less than 3x that.

Of course your mileage may vary depending on your connections to the US and establishment.

 

[Ginger Piglet]

England going back to the old days then?

Bloody Code - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BBC NEWS | UK | Rough justice - Victorian style

news.bbc.co.uk

Oh, believe you me, we're already there. Just as the Bloody Code prescribed hanging for going blacked up in a forest to prevent the 18th century elites from being deprived of their hunting, transportation for repeated vagrancy because the elite considered the poor an eyesore, hanging for being in the company of Gypsies for a month and for strong evidence of malice in a child 7-14 years (preventative measures, don'tcha know), nowadays you can be imprisoned for shouting about Islamist rape gangs because it upsets community cohesion, fined for making stupid and tasteless jokes on the internets, and subjected to a Sexual Risk Order if there is credible evidence that you might be a rapist in the near future, banned from football games if there is evidence you may be a possible hooligan, and so forth.

(Source on the last of these - I did a stint in-house at [area] Police and I handled applications for Sexual Risk Orders, and Football Banning Orders. The scope for misuse of those powers is immense.)