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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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What made him think trusting the Chinese was a good idea? Did Huawei convince him after bonding over his tarantula or what?
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Yes, good goy buy your mobile network equipment from Cisco instead.

Unlike Huawei there's actual good evidence that Cisco installs backdoors for their nation's intelligence service but at least it's not those evil Chinese spy companies.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-48152235

Part of Manchester city centre has been cordoned off and a man detained after a suspicious device was found.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) evacuated Piccadilly Gardens and later called in bomb disposal officers.

GMP said it was keeping an "open mind" over a link to another device which led to Oldham Library being evacuated.

Officers initially said the Piccadilly Gardens package was "a non-viable device" but a robot was later sent to the scene to examine it.

A 26-year-old man has been arrested in connection with the city centre package, the force said.

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A spokesman said the cordon would remain in place "until the materials are made safe to move and inquiries have concluded".

Manchester city councillor Pat Karney said the device was "not a threat" and the man arrested had "health issues", although this has not been independently verified.

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Transport services, including the Metrolink, have been affected as a result of the cordon.

Witnesses described seeing police going through a bag on the ground.

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They've finished going through the bag. Cordon is being pushed further back. One cop shouting we should "clear piccadilly gardens" altogether. In the distance, more sirens. @MENnewsdesk

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Police said Oldham Library, eight miles north-east of the city centre, had also been evacuated as part of their inquiries, after reports a "suspicious device" was also found there.

The second device was deemed to be "non-viable".

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"Officers are keeping an open mind and are exploring the possibility the incidents are linked," GMP said.

"Thank you for your patience as we respond to this," the GMP statement said.

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The force said that as part of the bomb disposal officers' work, a "loud noise was caused".

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Oldham Library got shut down too, no idea why that was a target, no fucker goes there.
 
Tommy Robinson is supposed to be campaigning in Oldham for the Euro Elections tomorrow.. He was in Middleton today not that far from Piccadally. Coincidence, I think not!
 
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I assumed the word Piccadilly in Piccadilly Gardens came from the word peccadillo, a word for a minor sin, and it was a place where hookers and vagrants hung out. But apparently it came instead from the word piccadil, which meant a stiff hem or collar.
 
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A proposed smacking ban in Wales could see English families prosecuted for disciplining their children while on holiday, a Welsh Assembly committee has heard. Assembly Member Janet Finch-Saunders said a lack of awareness outside of Wales of the proposed change in the law could see holidaymakers shun the country in case they are accused of assault. The Welsh Assembly’s Children, Young People and Education Committee heard evidence about plans to remove the common law defence of reasonable chastisement which is currently available to parental figures if accused of assault or battery against a child.

But Aberconwy AM Ms Finch-Saunders said parents from outside Wales could find themselves accidentally breaking the law if they were not made aware of the changes.


She said: ‘I have concerns about raising awareness. I don’t want people to be thinking, ‘I’m not going to Wales as I’m unclear about the law and I can’t reasonably parent my children’. ‘We don’t want reports of people coming on holiday to Llandudno and suddenly getting a knock on the door of their hotel where somebody has accused them of smacking their child and they’re completely oblivious to this.’ Julie Morgan AM, the minister in charge of the Children (Wales) Bill, said the Welsh Government would ‘do what we can’ to raise awareness across the UK if the law was changed, but said as Scotland had already begun the process of bringing in its own smacking ban, it would be English parents who would be most unaware of the changes. Ms Morgan said: ‘At the same time, there is a parallel process taking place in Scotland. ‘So in fact it may be that in 12 months’ time, it will be England that won’t have that law in place.’ The committee also heard evidence from James Gillies, from the Be Reasonable campaign – backed by the Christian Institute and the Family Education Trust – which argues the legislation would criminalise parents. Mr Gillies said the defence of reasonable chastisement had only been used in the UK three times in the last nine years, with all cases taking place in England, and said data provided by the Police Liaison Unit (PLU) ‘inferred’ there would be an extra 1,300 investigations into parents smacking their children in the first five years of the law change.


He said: ‘How many parents are we going to see criminalised? ‘How many will have police cautions which would appear on DBS checks and affect, potentially, their employment?’ Sally Gobbett, a mother with a background in natural science, also told the committee the government’s own consultation document acknowledged there was no evidence to show that ‘light, infrequent discipline’ was linked to harmful outcomes to children. The government Bill is being scrutinised by AMs, with ministers hoping it will be passed by the National Assembly and brought into law after achieving royal assent by spring 2020.
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>having to smack a child to discipline them

Just threaten to take away their phone or console away or their favourite toy or just make them sit in a room with nothing to do for a hour
 
Maybe if the English stopped projecting their natural and biological predication towards violence on us poor cymraeg then history would be different. They're lucky that it's only a ban.
 
Maybe it's just me, but I have seen far too many parents hit their kids not to install discipline in them, but because the parents wanted someone to exert their dominance over that can't fight back. Or because the parent wants some external element to blame for the parent's own failures. They're just shitty people.

Just on a personal level, I don't think hitting kids is effective because it doesn't teach kids WHY to do the right thing. Kids should be taught the why, and "because Dad will beat the shit out of me" isn't a good why. What happens when the kid turns 18 (or hell even 13), and they aren't afraid of getting hit anymore? We've seen these kids just turn around and start beating others because they think it's their turn to finally be on the giving end of the beatings.

I think the people that actually "turn out okay" BECAUSE they were hit are the minority/exception. Or at the very least, the hitting wasn't the actual reason they turned out okay; they turned out okay despite the hitting.

That's just my personal opinion though.
 
Muh human rights! How can I possibly control someone less than half my size without belting them?!

No sympathy for people who want to hit their kids. Or go to Rhyl on holiday...

Edited to add, before I’m slated for slagging off Rhyl... I am very fond of Wales and lived there for the best part of a decade, but still maintain that Palins in Rhyl is a hellhole.
 
Same law passed in NZ many years ago and while there was a lot of hullabaloo from several groups on the political spectrum it never ended up in any parents going to prison that weren't already abusing their kids in any serious way.

If you go on holiday somewhere you should check if there are any laws that cause trouble for tourists, ignorance isn't a good enough defense. I don't see why you wouldn't visit a place just because of its laws, you are left with very few places to travel in the world if you want everywhere to meet your standards.

I don't see why you can't "reasonably" parent your child without hitting it.
 
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Exactly. The majority of parents who have hit their kid have done it in a one off moment of exasperation. That doesn’t make it right, but they are generally feeling bad about it after and don’t do it regularly. The ones you see screeching for their rights to belt their kids are always the ones who are into shit like blanket training, or physical punishment or just plain abusive. No one should be hitting a child.

Well done wales. About time.
 
I love when people act like popping your kid on the ass with an open palm so they stop being a little cunt is literally taking a hammer out and cracking their skull. I'd wager the vast majority of folks in every small town across America were spanked when they were kids, and it's going to keep being done because A. they turned out normal and happy and B. it fucking works.

Yeesh, bunch of fucking pussies. Little Timmy is just going to go sulk in his room and play Fortnite either way.
 
If you can't discipline a child without hitting them maybe a holiday to Scotland or Wales isn't for you.

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Just on a personal level, I don't think hitting kids is effective because it doesn't teach kids WHY to do the right thing. Kids should be taught the why, and "because Dad will beat the shit out of me" isn't a good why. What happens when the kid turns 18 (or hell even 13), and they aren't afraid of getting hit anymore? We've seen these kids just turn around and start beating others because they think it's their turn to finally be on the giving end of the beatings.

I think the people that actually "turn out okay" BECAUSE they were hit are the minority/exception. Or at the very least, the hitting wasn't the actual reason they turned out okay; they turned out okay despite the hitting.
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That's definitely true. It's far more effective to take the child aside and explain to them what they did wrong, and what can be done about it as opposed to hitting them. Also, it's a slippery slope of when hitting a child becomes "acceptable". Do these parents believe it is acceptable to hit a child because they accidentally spilt a glass of water?
 
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