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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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TowinKarz said:
80's - Orwell was a bit too paranoid about what the government would and could do as far as censorship goes. That stuff can't happen here in our nice democracy. Oppression is what commies and the USSR does.

90's - This "political correctness" you seek. You know... Orwell warned us about this, unpopular opinions must, regrettably, be protected. Less we lose free speech.

00's - You know, maybe Orwell had the right idea? The world would be so much better if we could deny bullies and racists a voice. It's not like the average person would be persecuted, vaporization for wrongthink sounds like a fitting thing for a Nazi to suffer.....

10's - Orwell had the right idea, but the problem was, he didn't go quite far ENOUGH . We need FINES on top of the censorship and vaporizing, as wrongthink persists despite our efforts and it's doubleplusungood!


What world am I living in?

I'd like to speak to a manager for I fear there's been some kind of mistake......
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hello? hello? is this thing on?
assistant manager here, sorry your complaint cannot be managed as all our management staff has been murdered and we've been taken over by korean pirates. no i am not allow to say which, because gun.
 
Next Task said:
UK has an at least decades-long history of changing laws based on only one incident. One kid dies from nunchuks - they're banned from sale and all media, and the Ninja Turtles have to become Hero Turtles, and no films with a scene involving nunchuks can be shown. Video nasties from the 80s, a huge MDMA scare after one girl died taking a pill and then drinking too much water... they love making rules based on one-off horror stories more than when hundreds of people have been affected. The long-term effects of the phone hacking scandal, Rotherham or even Yewtree have been less than the panic inspired by a singular victim of a singular incident.
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The nunchuk rule has been scrapped now, but was hilarious whilst it lasted. Wasn't just films, but in games like Soul Blade they had to change them to have a solid bar in the middle. So it was fine to show knives, swords, guns, axes etc, but two bits of wood with a chain in the middle? That's a step too far.
 
The_Penultimate_Warrior said:
The nunchuk rule has been scrapped now, but was hilarious whilst it lasted. Wasn't just films, but in games like Soul Blade they had to change them to have a solid bar in the middle. So it was fine to show knives, swords, guns, axes etc, but two bits of wood with a chain in the middle? That's a step too far.
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And even in comedies. There were films that they didn't screen in the UK because they had a scene or two of people playing with nunchuks. For example, they didn't release the Brady Bunch Movie sequel there because of a scene where Bobby plays with them.
 
Next Task said:
And even in comedies. There were films that they didn't screen in the UK because they had a scene or two of people playing with nunchuks. For example, they didn't release the Brady Bunch Movie sequel there because of a scene where Bobby plays with them.
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Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, please. I think in the cartoons, everyone got to use their weapons except the orange dude, who was mostly cut or shown throwing a mean dustbin lid as a weaponised frisbee.
 
not william stenchever said:
Don't hate us, hate your government. It finds its citizens contemptible when compliant, and dangerous when they vote out of line. Us Yankee wankers will have our day come soon enough. It's like all we're on the same sinking boat, but you Brits are being steam broiled in the boiler rooms and us Yanks are playing cello on the deck.
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To reiterate: the early days of the internet and publicly available cryptography were led by people who didn't trust the government, because they knew they were censor-happy, and had already restricted the use of encryption. The cypherpunk movement were sending round emails using onion crypto back in the 80s, and dreaming up cryptocurrencies in the 90s to get away from the man.

I don't hate my government for this. They're acting as I expect them to and have always expected them to. Vigilance here is making sure you can route around them, and so supporting technologies that are more difficult to censor. And it also means getting off Facebook. A massive advertising company is no more a friend of free speech than the government.
 
cecograph said:
Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, please. I think in the cartoons, everyone got to use their weapons except the orange dude, who was mostly cut or shown throwing a mean dustbin lid as a weaponised frisbee.
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In the later seasons of the original cartoon Michelangelo gets this weird grappling hook thing to replace the nunchucks.
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Britain can kindly keep their puritan bullshit out of my 'merica, kthxbai
 
cecograph said:
Before you US pussies get too high and mighty, remember that pretty much every nation has obscenity laws of some sort, has a history of banning books because there's a lewd picture on the cover, and your own states are no exception. You've also had to contend with state-level proposals to censor internet pornography.
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And every one of those nations are dogshit in some fashion.

When foreigners get criticized for their governments being full of censor-happy fascists, they react by pointing out "aha, but people in America try to censor too!" But that's missing the point. Fascists exist everywhere. No one's claiming that people in America are somehow purer or more moral, and that Americans never dream of censoring their fellow citizens.

That's not the claim. The claim is that while fascists exist in the US, they simply don't succeed at enacting their censorship. And that's including the attempted censorship you're citing. None of it is successful.

The reason it's not successful is because we deliberately cripple our government. Our government is weak and shitty by design, not because we're full of noble people who just don't take advantage of it.

And the US is indeed unique as far as free speech goes. Occasionally smaller countries replicate US-style free speech, but the US is the only country that does it successfully at scale. And we do it very well.

This same issue came up when we were talking about governments harassing mothers uncomfortable with adult males pissing next to their daughters and I said the same thing.

If foreigners spent less time digging through wikipedia for examples when censorship slipped by the US system, and more time lynching their elected representatives, maybe they wouldn't have the problems that they do. (Or maybe all the world's best leave for the new world?)
cecograph said:
Cos yeah, cryptography: until 1992, your stupid ass government was sufficiently exceptional to have put it on the munitions list and regulated its use, not appreciating the fact that it's just high-school number theory. And they'll try to regulate it again, and if they succeed, we really are fucked.
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Cryptography is a legitimate military tool. All the bullets and bombs in the world can't do shit if you can't identify your enemy. It's been that way ever since groups of humans had secrets they wanted to hide from other humans.

The issue was that for the longest time, that is (mostly before the popularization of digital computers and fast internet), encryption came in the form of hardware. Just like guns and bombs, the government has a legitimate place in regulating the tools of war.

Technology changed everything. The government tried in vain to regulate it, but again, because the US government is relatively cucked, private interests (such as big companies wanting to securely sell shit on the internet) won out. To this day, the government regularly squabbles with and loses against big companies like Apple wanting to protect their users privacy.

Additionally, even though cryptography can be a munition, source code expressing it is protected by the first amendment. In the US, you have a first amendment right to publish programs using (almost entirely) unbreakable cryptography. There's no way to make that illegal in the US.

And that's always been the case, even when it was a munition.
cecograph said:
Even Josh here had to rely on torrents to distribute the NZ live-ammo DOOM larp, and as much as I think kiwifarms is cool, I'd rather we find a way for all of kiwifarms to exist in such a decentralised fashion.
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Josh is hosting all of those files in the US, fully legally. He wasn't using a torrent to dodge any legal issues (or even any unplatforming issues), but rather because the demand was so high that it put a lot of strain on the servers.
 
I personally don't hate Brits. It's not their fault they're mostly wusses. (also Canadians, Australians and New Zealanders)

I don't hate people who commit suicide, either.
I don't hate idiots. It's not their fault they're stupid.
I don't hate liberal men. It's not their fault they all want to be girls, it's their mommies fault for dressing them like girls when they were young.
I don't hate liberal women. It's not their fault they like to kill babies and hate men because they have a penis.

Wow, I don't hate anybody.......... :smug: I'm a saint.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47921885

Officers opened fire in west London on Saturday morning during an incident involving a car that was colliding with vehicles, the Metropolitan Police has said.
The Ukrainian embassy said its ambassador's vehicle was "deliberately rammed" as it sat parked outside the building in Holland Park.
When officers arrived on the scene, a car was "driven at them", the Met said.
Officers used firearms and a Taser before arresting a man in his 40s.
Police said the uninjured man was "taken to a central London hospital as a precaution".
They added that the situation was neither ongoing nor being treated as terror-related.
'Opened fire'
The Met said its officers arrived at the scene just before 10:00 GMT after "reports of antisocial behaviour involving a car".
Describing the events of Saturday morning, the Ukrainian embassy said that after seeing the ambassador's car being targeted, police "blocked up" the attacker's vehicle.
"Nevertheless, despite the police actions, the attacker hit the ambassador's car again," the embassy said.
It added police were "forced to open fire on the perpetrator's vehicle".
The embassy said none of its staff had been injured and that police were now investigating "the suspect's identity and motive for the attack".
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Image captionPolice said the car, which was driven at officers, collided with multiple vehicles
A woman who works at a nearby shop told the Press Association she heard shots fired twice between 10:00 and 11:00.
The woman, who did not wish to be named, said officers arrived "very quick", adding: "I saw many police cars coming."
Forensic officer at the scene
Image copyrightPAImage captionA silver car was the subject of forensic investigation on Saturday afternoon
Local resident Heather Feiner, originally from the US, added: "From the time I heard the shots until I got to the window, which took about 15 seconds, all these police cars were already there.
"I could see a police officer that fired the shots. I could see them pointing their gun at the car.
"From what I could see [the suspect] didn't appear to be struggling at that point."
Road near the Ukrainian embassy
Image copyrightPAImage captionThe incident took place near the Ukrainian embassy in west London
Ch Supt Andy Walker, from the Met's specialist firearms command, said: "As is standard procedure, an investigation is now ongoing into the discharge of a police firearm during this incident.
"While this takes place, I would like to pay tribute to the officers involved this morning who responded swiftly to this incident and put themselves in harm's way, as they do every day, to keep the people of London safe."
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Man, the Russians really have run out of ideas on subtle attacks on dissidents...
 
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