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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[User names must be unique]

Here in Burgerland it would be just a simple box you check yes/no when you renew your driver's license, would this be significantly different in England?.

Bongstani here I applied when I was old enough, registered online had to put my national insurance (social security) number, Name, DOB and address let me specifically choose what organs to donate and what to keep.

Wonder if they'll copy over that I want to keep my corneas/eyes, sorry people who need new corneas that was just too creepy for me.

 

[Крыса]

There's an underlying theme in this and a lot of recent legislation that ignores the notion of making room for the choice of the individual. This theme is a bit of a benchmark for me - If I think about a law or a protocol and the corresponding involuntary mental image involves cattle being led down an increasingly narrow hallway?
Count me out.

This law, for all the good it does, operates on the assumption of negating personal choice in these matters as a default. It's a major choice that is going to be made by the state automatically.
Slopes, slippery ones.

They did this in my country a few years ago and it made a lot of sense because as it turned out most people (70-80%) were ok with being donors but didn't opt-in out of laziness or lack of information, so the default stance of the law went against the opinion of the majority which isn't an ideal situation. Now it's more in sync and you can easily opt-out online.

 

[CWCissey]

I'd laugh if the majority of people opted out of this.

Either way, until I can say who can have my organs (no alkies, junkies, Commies, wasters, rich fucks, fatties, nonces or other crooks. Paks and blacks apparently can't take white boy tissue so I'm not worried about that) no-one gets my organs and you can kick George Best's headstone over if you have a problem with that.

 

[Bassomatic]

Shit like this makes me boiling blood mad.

I fully support donating, and I have a 5 gallon pin from the red cross for how much blood I donated, I'd like to do more, and yes I know often sold yada yada, makes me feel good and I get a free cookie, bite me.

I am not an organ donor because as listed stuff before, and more so you lose your rights of the organ when you expire. I can't say "no niggos" on my liver. It's mine, if I choose to give it to someone of a race creed color etc or fucking throw it in a pyre so no one gets it. I choose to go no one gets it.

Some systems of belief also are against this, I'm not shocked Merry old cuckland says "forget your god only multiculturalism"

Personally, I think when your dead you don't need the thing, so I'd like to donate but I'm sorry when you turn it into this kind of abused shit show, I honestly feel I'm doing the world better by throwing it to the wolves, literally. Wolves eat because they are fucking wolves, not let some little kid die from cancer so Joe the drunk gets a 3rd replacement kidney because he's buddy buddy with your local Mayor. I'm greatly saddened that's reality.

Also I think people who are pro organ donors while I am not gonna shit on you for trying to be noble, aren't aware the human body doesn't just plop in a new heart and you go fine. You need life long care for it, etc.

Lastly, this is so UK to say "WE own your body, you just lease it." Opt out or not, it's just creepy as fuck.

 

[Autopsy]

Very convenient and pragmatically justifiable tyranny is still tyranny. At the same time, it isn't half as bad as a lot of things governments have started doing over the past century and no one thought twice about all that, so why start caring here?

 

[Dysnomia]

My country did this too last year, although I already registered as an organ donor before they did. It honestly wasn't that hard to do, took me like 10 minutes max.

In Freedomland when you get a license or state ID you will be asked if you want to be an organ donor and it will be shown on your card. I put down yes because I won't be using my organs after I die. Why not let someone else enjoy them. I don't know what happens if you die without ID on you and if there are other ways they can check rather than asking a relative who may use their own beliefs instead of your own or simply may not know.

I am not sure how I feel about beng registered by default though. You can opt out but many people are lazy or don't keep up with anything going on outside their little sphere too well. So they may not know. All it takes is some POC raising cain about "muh religion" and how this is some kind of conspiracy to harvest their organs and it will be all over the news.

I think that more education about the importance or organ donation is needed.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Been stated already, but why not add more? Don't know how it works in Europe, but here in the US I'll take a hard pass on Uncle Sam auto opting me into even more shit. If I want to be charitable, I'll decide to be.

Remember every time you let the government reach further, you'll almost never be able to push it back.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Wait until they extend this to kids, too. They'll be putting toddlers on an "end-of-life path" over a cold.

...more than they do already, I mean.

While children are currently excluded:

The Queen has given royal assent for the bill - also known as Max and Keira's law after the donated heart of Keira Bell, nine, saved the life of Max Johnson, 10, in 2017.

So I assume children being auto included will be a goal at some point.

 

[Recoil]

not let some little kid die from cancer so Joe the drunk gets a 3rd replacement kidney because he's buddy buddy with your local Mayor. I'm greatly saddened that's reality.

Thanks, I couldn't articulate this for some reason but you hit the nail on the head.
Shit like this really happens. Corruption, graft & favoritism does run this deep.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

I'll just give away my kidneys, liver and stuff. It's not like I need a luxury like them.

 

[whatever I feel like]

If they give my organs to humans what are the crows going to eat?

 

[Dan Abrams]

Strong yes on this. Even though corruption is definitely possible (Steve Jobs and Dick Cheney gaming the system for organs), you're literally dead so who cares. Many people are simply too lazy to register as a donor so many organs go wasted.

 

[HG 400]

British people should be rendered down for biofuel.

 

[RP 520]

Strong yes on this. Even though corruption is definitely possible (Steve Jobs and Dick Cheney gaming the system for organs), you're literally dead so who cares. Many people are simply too lazy to register as a donor so many organs go wasted.

Steve Jobs is a bad example since he was a retarded hippie who thought essential oils and homeopathic medicine could cure his cancer.

British people should be rendered down for biofuel.

Then the U.S. will have a reason to finally invade Britain.

 

[Grimoire Canthari]

I'm just hoping the UK doesn't fuck this up somehow. Please no organ theft rings, please no organ theft rings.

 

[Manah]

I really don't know why, but this doesn't sit right with me.
I know, people who direly need a replacement organ will be saved by this in the future, but something about mandatory organ donations that you need to opt out is just so weird to me.
I don't buy into ridiculous "And now they will kill off people preemptively just to harvest their organs" broohaha either. I just really dislike this approach. They might as well encourage people to donate their organs or make it more easy to be recognized as a donor, but outright turning it into something that people have to opt out?

I just wonder how many politicians that support this bill will opt out.

I feel like if it's made clear that it's happening and opting out isn't some byzantine process, it's fine.

The article reminded me that I'm not a volunteer organ donor, and the only reason I'm not is because I either haven't thought about it or been too lazy to when I have.

Dunno, on one hand you're getting more organs.

On the other hand, the government is incentivized to kill poor people to so that the middle class and rich can have a supply of organs...

Israel and China had organ harvesting programs and all these amounted to was exploitation of vulnerable and targeted groups.

Presumably there's a downside too?

 

[Colonel J]

Strong yes on this. Even though corruption is definitely possible (Steve Jobs and Dick Cheney gaming the system for organs), you're literally dead so who cares. Many people are simply too lazy to register as a donor so many organs go wasted.

"Who cares what the government does to your dead body." ?

 

[From The Uncanny Valley]

The part that sticks out is how they exclude exceptional individuals from the list while making nearly everyone else eligible.

Despite what "neurodiversity activists" keep trying to tell everyone, people with down's syndrome tend to have pretty fucked up bodies.

 

[Chester Rigby]

My country did this too last year, although I already registered as an organ donor before they did. It honestly wasn't that hard to do, took me like 10 minutes max.

??

 

[XE 600]

I'm personally okay with donating my organs when I die because fuck it, I'm dead. It's not like I will need my organs when I die and if they can help someone live then that's great in my opinion but I also don't like the idea of the government having control over my body unless I have to go through the trouble of telling them to fuck off. I also have this weird feelings that hospitals won't really care about their duty of care as much as they already do because I doubt most people would bother opting out (even if they'd rather not have their organs donated when they die) and the more dead patients would mean more organs.

The part that sticks out is how they exclude exceptional individuals from the list while making nearly everyone else eligible.

At least British kiwifarms users who don't want to donate organs won't have to worry about opting out then.