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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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get_ur_gamon said:
BTW I think Gooner in this context means a supporter of Arsenal Football Club (whose fans refer to themselves as goons and have done so for many years).

His pure and innocent mind could never comprehend the horros of modern gooning.
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No, I'm pretty sure the PM just announced that he's a chronic masturbator in the House of Commons. We were all totally serious about that.
 
diroama said:
For some reason I can't see the post you're replying to but I'm assuming it's somebody bemoaning Labour's long drawn out leadership contest proceedings.

And while I appreciate different parties have different traditions, it's a matter of national interest that a ruling party's internal procedures should not result in a six month period of governmental paralysis while they sort themselves out.

They can fuck around as much as they like when they're out of government, but when theyve got a country to run they're fucking around on our time and it's not acceptable.
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The basic argument is they're political associations and have rights under freedom of association to organise as they see fit. It's like if next month the Women's Institute decided they were going to put together a list of independent candidates they were going to endorse and help campaign, because they aligned on the sorts of policies the Women's Institute agreed with. They basically only become a "political party" which then has extra rules if they start selecting candidates to run in certain constituencies. Bad example as charities are more restricted in this sort of thing, and also the WI is a federation of charities, but you get the idea. So the argument would be strongarming things like policy decisions or leadership elections would be preventing people organising freely.

Parliament is sovereign so could overrule, but any government that did this would ruffle enough feathers (because they'd be saying "you're not allowed to organise as you see fit, you have to follow OUR rules"). Leadership elections are always seen as internal party matters beyond the purview of Government. It's generally only 1 month from membership ballots to final results, but the preamble with campaigning, hustings, multiple MP ballots etc. is usually the lengthy bit - e.g. the Rishi vs Liz one took about 3 months, and I think that's the same after Corbyn stepped down in Labour. But the post-Rishi one only took about a month.

Basically you'd either need parties to say "dear members, please vote to disenfranchise yourselves" (not going to happen), or you'd need a majority of MPs to agree to interfere with how other parties run internally, which they'd probably all protest as government overreach.
Clown said:
https://spectator.com/article/watch-keir-starmer-declares-himself-gooner/
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5_tH58GmQgEPeak PMQs
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More so than PMQs, it's Peak Parliament. After they have a jolly good time with the black rod knocking on the door and listening to the King, the tradition that MPs generally first discuss a fake act (to prove they can discuss things that aren't in the King's speech), and then spend a couple of days "debating" the Loyal Address, which mostly consists of them bragging and making dumb jokes, and then the vote is basically a formality. For MPs it's a bit like being at school near the end of term where there's no real work and the teacher lets everyone bring toys from home, except at the start of the session and also they're supposed to be running the country.
 
AssignedEva said:
Basically you'd either need parties to say "dear members, please vote to disenfranchise yourselves" (not going to happen), or you'd need a majority of MPs to agree to interfere with how other parties run internally, which they'd probably all protest as government overreach.
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I understand that it's unlikely a parliament made up of political party members would vote to curtail the ability of those same parties to organise as they see fit.

But as a citizen I think it is unreasonable and I would welcome a law being passed that obliged all leadership contests to last a maximum of one month for any party that is in government.
 
Clem Fandango said:
No, I'm pretty sure the PM just announced that he's a chronic masturbator in the House of Commons. We were all totally serious about that.
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No one thought that he was actually calling himself a degenerate coomer. But most international kiwis aren't going to know Arsenal F.C lore without someone telling them you silly sausage.
 
get_ur_gamon said:
BTW I think Gooner in this context means a supporter of Arsenal Football Club (whose fans refer to themselves as goons and have done so for many years).
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In one post you are so right-
get_ur_gamon said:
His pure and innocent mind could never comprehend the horros of modern gooning.
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-and also so wrong.
 
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Allo Vera said:
Did you know much about that, or would it have been some years prior?
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Not specifically, but one of the guys I knew that knew him worked for child services, and on reflection was always very hostile to David.
UselessRubberKeyboard said:
Oh shit, I know exactly who you mean now. I grew up in that area too and the name always stuck with me as rumours get round, but I was sure I was mixing him up with another gross fucking pervert from a couple of streets away (also called David). Yeah, now it clicks.
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He used to frequent a games shop that was child friendly, and would hold tournaments and 'learn how to play!' sessions for kids in it. It shut down after the news dropped. It was near the subway, and the swimming baths. I know people talk about the damage done by criminality, but it really cannot be overstated how much it actually hurts you to have a predator like that be revealed in your community. It nukes it, it completely undoes any social trust and cohesion. I lost touch with so many people, and activities, because they were all tainted by this guy. I just wish he were murdered, but he'll probably get out in like 5 years from now. I hope someone recognises him and knifes him.

Overly Serious said:
Well you have the experience. But Aimee Challenor was actually living in the same house and from what I recall when I looked it up, it was not a large house. I also take one look at Aimee Challenor and there is zero doubt in my mind that he was abused. So frankly, I find it very hard not to come down on the side of him not knowing his father was an evil child abuser. And the guy got his father a role in the Green Party. And the Green Party initially closed ranks around Challenor to protect him as well. I wouldn't touch either party that knowingly had Aimee Challenor in it. And then there was the time Aimee Challenor was unmasked as a Reddit mod, to boot! And Reddit closed ranks around him initially as well. First time I saw Aimee Challenor he was being interviewed on, I think, Newsnight. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, but at that point the father's child abuse hadn't come out. Even so, you'd have to be delusional to look at Aimee Challenor and want him anywhere near your party.
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Oh he knew, there was no fucking way that the tranny didn't know. It's absurd that people even pretend otherwise. He was 100% for sure molested.
 
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