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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Otterly]

Not to quibble but in a just society, the family wouldn't have to because the police would actually deal with such matters.

Yes, I know, you’re right. But they don’t.

I don't understand how you can think this isn't mainstream.

It isn’t mainstream in some circles. Because of what overly described with his friend; people have been literally trained to have their brains slide off any possible mention of anything that might label them as racist.
Social media, the media in general makes everyone think they need to put all thoughts online. The state / power structure dispenses ‘the correct opinions’ wholesale. Then it used the panopticon to turn on anyone who opposed it and it destroys a few of them very visibly. Lucy Connolly for example, or that guy who had a ‘sexist’ shirt (that his female lab colleague bought him… ) at the same time all written and spoken opinions are cracked down on and jannied off the public square
Over time, the range of what people SEE is acceptable narrows. Over more time this changes what people will say in public. And that in turn changes what people actually think. It’s literal mind control.
You end up people reacting with physical fear to any kind of insinuation they’re bigoted, they literally cannot put the thought in their brain, you can see the fear in them.
And that’s how you get a girl who almost gets gang raped afraid she will be branded as a racist rather than the police and the community kerb-stomping the perps. It’s how ‘nice people’ won’t talk about it.
When you control language and perception you control the thoughts of a lot of people. KF is one of the places people less susceptible to that sort of thing congregate, but don’t underestimate just how controllable a lot of people are.

 

[Overly Serious]

Yes, I know, you’re right. But they don’t.

It isn’t mainstream in some circles. Because of what overly described with his friend; people have been literally trained to have their brains slide off any possible mention of anything that might label them as racist.
Social media, the media in general makes everyone think they need to put all thoughts online. The state / power structure dispenses ‘the correct opinions’ wholesale. Then it used the panopticon to turn on anyone who opposed it and it destroys a few of them very visibly. Lucy Connolly for example, or that guy who had a ‘sexist’ shirt (that his female lab colleague bought him… ) at the same time all written and spoken opinions are cracked down on and jannied off the public square
Over time, the range of what people SEE is acceptable narrows. Over more time this changes what people will say in public. And that in turn changes what people actually think. It’s literal mind control.
You end up people reacting with physical fear to any kind of insinuation they’re bigoted, they literally cannot put the thought in their brain, you can see the fear in them.
And that’s how you get a girl who almost gets gang raped afraid she will be branded as a racist rather than the police and the community kerb-stomping the perps. It’s how ‘nice people’ won’t talk about it.
When you control language and perception you control the thoughts of a lot of people. KF is one of the places people less susceptible to that sort of thing congregate, but don’t underestimate just how controllable a lot of people are.

All of this. Plus bots.

As more and more discussion moves to online spaces, the issue of manipulation of the popularity of a viewpoint via both suppressing real people's comments and the promotion of fake ones is pernicious. The worst is probably YouTube comments actually, mainly in the commercial space where a movie trailer might be released and the bots are all queued up ready to go with pre-packaged comments. But we're more concerned with the political and social manipulation. Sometimes it becomes self-reinforcing like on Reddit where there are plenty of organic robots ready to downvote a contrary viewpoint out of sight. But real bots as well. Humans are social animals and those that will actually stick to their guns in the face of all those around them are a minority. On many matters, at least. So by creating the impression that a viewpoint is marginal that by itself reduces its ability to sway others.

The state, as a whole, is less concerned with right and wrong and more concerned with stability. Unsurprising really as stability is what keeps those on top in their position. Humans will tend to flock to whichever faction seems to promise stability. That's why you actually need a fairly small percentage of a population to take action to actually produce change. But it's also why making it look like you're part of an edge group is a beloved tactic of the media and now social media.

The Farms is an island.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Rotherham's report was 12 years ago now. I don't know who you're talking to but it's not any one like around me. It's known and openly discussed.

The report was 12 years ago, yes. Consider the timeline though.

When the report came out, the media and authorities both acted to suppress it as much as possible. Reporters didn't cover trials, and when they did they went out of their way to obscure who was involved. Anyone who made any sort of fuss about the gangs was branded a racist and functionally ostracised, often to the point of arrest on trumped up charges. Society as a whole was primed to immediately clamp down on anything that might even sniff of "racism". This curtailed the impact. The majority were only aware of it in a very distant and abstract way, as some minor scandal about some girls in the north who probably wanted it anyway. The fewer people that were fully aware of what was going on were reluctant to talk about it in more than their immediate social circle because of everything I just outlined.

At the same time as the report was released, we had the ramp up to the brexit referendum, which took up most of the national conversation. Remainers tied leave voters to the racism pole, which made them more angry but also made them more reluctant to add fuel to the fire. We had a succession of highly visible political problems that the media used to drown out just about everything else. This went on for several years, so while anger was mounting in the background as more people became fully aware of just how widespread the rape gangs were, many were still reluctant to openly discuss it. People talked about it with family and close friends, and online, but the accusations of racism were still powerful enough to silence many of them.

Then we had covid, which served as another distraction, but also granted people the time and space to become fully exposed to the problem for the first time. 2021 was when the knowledge became widespread and people started to openly discuss and even organising about it. That's when the suppression failed and the general public understood the reality of the situation. The first public protests began in 2023 and exploded in 2024, with the Rudakubana murders.

So the reality is, the timeline from the majority actually understanding what was happening to open mass protest is only three years, rather than 12. For most of the years prior, most people were prevented from understanding by the media and by formerly trusted institutions. The extent of the rape gangs is one of the reasons trust in media and government collapsed after the covid shitshow.

And yet, even today, you have people who loudly screech about how racist it is to point out that muslims rape.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Yes, I know, you’re right. But they don’t.

It isn’t mainstream in some circles. Because of what overly described with his friend; people have been literally trained to have their brains slide off any possible mention of anything that might label them as racist.
Social media, the media in general makes everyone think they need to put all thoughts online. The state / power structure dispenses ‘the correct opinions’ wholesale. Then it used the panopticon to turn on anyone who opposed it and it destroys a few of them very visibly. Lucy Connolly for example, or that guy who had a ‘sexist’ shirt (that his female lab colleague bought him… ) at the same time all written and spoken opinions are cracked down on and jannied off the public square
Over time, the range of what people SEE is acceptable narrows. Over more time this changes what people will say in public. And that in turn changes what people actually think. It’s literal mind control.
You end up people reacting with physical fear to any kind of insinuation they’re bigoted, they literally cannot put the thought in their brain, you can see the fear in them.
And that’s how you get a girl who almost gets gang raped afraid she will be branded as a racist rather than the police and the community kerb-stomping the perps. It’s how ‘nice people’ won’t talk about it.
When you control language and perception you control the thoughts of a lot of people. KF is one of the places people less susceptible to that sort of thing congregate, but don’t underestimate just how controllable a lot of people are.

I understand if you're in a deep leftist hug box you might not want to say it outloud but it's all over the papers constantly.


This is from a week ago. It was in every news agents in the land. It's right there in front of your eyes any time you go to buy some chewits.

 

[the printer is outo fink]

Rotherham's report was 12 years ago now. I don't know who you're talking to but it's not any one like around me. It's known and openly discussed. I don't understand what sort of world you're living in if you don't think the rape gangs aren't a mainstream topic. It's literally one of the leading causes of Reform getting so popular.

Maybe I'm just not snobby enough where it's impolite to mention child abuse at the dinner parties.

There is evidence that this has been happening, already embedded into some areas of England since the early-mid 1950s. This has been going on in an organised manner that the police and other institutions turned a blind eye to, from as soon as large scale, middle-Eastern/North African migration began into England.

And even since the Rotherham report, most people avoid acknowledging the full scale of what's been happening, how wide-spread and horrific it is, and that it's been allowed to happen for over seventy years.

 

[Otterly]

This is from a week ago.

Yes, a week ago. I remember very well the initial Rotherham coverage and it was very different. Very much don’t make a fuss don’t be racist.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

There is evidence that this has been happening, already embedded into some areas of England since the early-mid 1950s. This has been going on in an organised manner that the police and other institutions turned a blind eye to, from as soon as large scale, middle-Eastern/North African migration began into England.

And even since the Rotherham report, most people avoid acknowledging the full scale of what's been happening, how wide-spread and horrific it is, and that it's been allowed to happen for over seventy years.

I know all of this. But it was acknowledged at the time.

Yes, a week ago. I remember very well the initial Rotherham coverage and it was very different. Very much don’t make a fuss don’t be racist.

I didn't see don't make a fuss. I saw a lot of noise being made about something needing to be done. Especially when the papers put faces on the front page.

 

[LXXVII Brigade]

He hasn't logged in since Monday.

He probably thought that he could genuinely get back on the thread without us noticing. We did, and the first thing we do is take the piss out of him. He's probably coping right now. But he'll be back, cows can't resist making themselves look like a tit. I'd say he'll pop up again by the end of the week.

there's still profound cultural differences between the old kingdoms. It would only take a few small mistakes for a lot of people to decide that Norf Umbro used to be a kingdom in its own right, back in the day, bringing about the rise of a new nationalism based on saggy tracksuits and cheap footie shoes.

This is why any attempt by the EU to state-ise the UK will inevitably fail. Every single county in the UK hates each other with a passion. Every European nation to some extent or another operates a degree of federalisation, but we don't. It's been this way since the Magna fucking Carta. For nearly a thousand years the UK has operated some degree of bottom up leadership, Europe didn't do this until only a couple hundered years ago. It has never been a done thing in the UK for a central power to be the ultimate authority like it has on the continent. This has resulted in the simple fact that Europeans and Brits see the government completely differently. Europeans see it as the Ultimate Authority, we see it as the thing that gets in the way all the time. This is why Brexit happened. The simple fact is that Europeans and Brits are not politically compatible.

It's that the people who control violence in our society wish to use it against us and not them.

The Government believes it has the monopoly on violence. What people have seen over the past few years is that the government shits itself anytime more than a handful of people get a bit upset. The shit tons of PA protesters everywhere are a known variable. The left has been protesting non stop for decades and realistically any amount of force will make them shit themselves and run away. They are afraid of large numbers of determined protesters from the right because most of them are veterans of countless football matches.
The simple truth is that the UK Government has very little actual capacity to police large scale civil unrest. The London protest last year involved the Met pulling from all the surrounding forces just to keep order. The UK has no national police or national guard like every other European country has to call on. We have the Home Office police forces and the Armed Forces and that's it.

 

[Really makes you thunk]

Semi-related to this talk of violence- Restore UK's current topic of the day regards legalising self-defence in various forms, most notably legalising pepper spray, and invoking castle doctrine. Oh, and repealing Scotland's Hate Crime and Public Order act, for good measure. They've put out a manifesto on it, similar to the one they put out on deportations.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/restorebritain/pages/760/attachments/original/1772009708/Retaking_the_English_Castle.pdf

 

[Krayt Dragon]

British friend illustrated a bootleg Stonetoss.

 

[Otterly]

Semi-related to this talk of violence- Restore UK's current topic of the day regards legalising self-defence in various forms, most notably legalising pepper spray, and invoking castle doctrine. Oh, and repealing Scotland's Hate Crime and Public Order act, for good measure. They've put out a manifesto on it, similar to the one they put out on deportations.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/restorebritain/pages/760/attachments/original/1772009708/Retaking_the_English_Castle.pdf

This is a really interesting and welcome policy. It changes the balance of power considerably.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Its "scown" right? Why else would it have an 'e' on the end?

No, it rhymes with "gone".

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

No, it rhymes with "gone".

What a sad existence, to live in a world of "Ice Cream Cons"
Though considering what I saw the last time I saw an Ice Cream Van's prices, that's not really far from the truth.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Beep Boop. This is an organ nick Re-Fourm votar. If you voat four Restoor yuu art a ray cyst. Voat for Re-Fourm. We have ali the sewshalist packy stanees. We will re-fourm the cuntree and may kit it morr well come in to Packy Stanees and there in no vative slave trayde bus nases. Far argh ish the on knee op chohn two save brit tan.

 

[LXXVII Brigade]

Beep Boop. This is an organ nick Re-Fourm votar. If you voat four Restoor yuu art a ray cyst. Voat for Re-Fourm. We have ali the sewshalist packy stanees. We will re-fourm the cuntree and may kit it morr well come in to Packy Stanees and there in no vative slave trayde bus nases. Far argh ish the on knee op chohn two save brit tan.

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This is supposed to be a paki, but could easily be someone from the West Country.

British friend illustrated a bootleg Stonetoss.

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This is quite funny, but as a long time fan of Ben Garrison's comics I feel like it's too subtle and needs more labels and themes.


Coming back to EU federalism for a moment. It's fucking insane how they looked at what happened in Yugoslavia and thought "Putting a load of different ethnic groups with centuries of bad blood under one government could never go wrong". Any Federal EU would collapse just like Yugoslavia did, ethnic cleansings, border wars and all.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

There's an unfortunate admission behind all that, isn't there? For all the pretence of a unified English culture and all the mingling that has occurred in the last century or so, there's still profound cultural differences between the old kingdoms. It would only take a few small mistakes for a lot of people to decide that Norf Umbro used to be a kingdom in its own right, back in the day, bringing about the rise of a new nationalism based on saggy tracksuits and cheap footie shoes.

I think Sir Humphrey was being overly optimistic in saying it would take three weeks. I think it would be an hour before some council karen declares Jihad against a neighbour over a traffic fine.

 

[LXXVII Brigade]

I think Sir Humphrey was being overly optimistic in saying it would take three weeks. I think it would be an hour before some council karen declares Jihad against a neighbour over a traffic fine.

It would take about half an hour for me wipe out my neighbour and his family over his untrimmed hedges in the back garden.
If we are one thing as a people, it is petty to no fucking end.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

It would take about half an hour for me wipe out my neighbour and his family over his untrimmed hedges in the back garden.
If we are one thing as a people, it is petty to no fucking end.

There's a reason why Warhammer Orks are British after all.

 

[Elderly Homosexual Negro]

Not to quibble but in a just society, the family wouldn't have to because the police would actually deal with such matters.

Not to quibble with your quibble but in a just society the police wouldn't need to deal with them, as they wouldn't be in the country in the first place.

 

[Midwit]

No, it rhymes with "gone".

It's scun, like the -thorpe.