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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I agree with everyone who has pointed when the creepy Manc videos first got posted as news articles that the shits recording and posting them are repellent.
Is it repellent though? Naturally I think it's weird to film strangers to sexualise them on the internet, however, they're adults, chose to dress themselves in that way, and then went out in public for Christ's sake. If you're bothered by being sexualised and having your barely covered ass and tits blasted on the internet, don't dress like a prostitute and walk around the streets.
 
The sheer fucking nerve of these people is unbelievable.
What makes it extra grating is they'll never out and actually say it, always has to be sugar coated with how much they "love patriotism" and how
"it was a nice idea" but it's "ruined" by "the wrong types who know what they're doing", who? doing what? say it you cowards.
These people hate us and want us subjugated, but lack the gall to actually do the work for it, which is simultaneously inspiring as well as infuriating.
Is it repellent though? Naturally I think it's weird to film strangers to sexualise them on the internet, however, they're adults, chose to dress themselves in that way, and then went out in public for Christ's sake. If you're bothered by being sexualised and having your barely covered ass and tits blasted on the internet, don't dress like a prostitute and walk around the streets.
Yeah; it's repellent, I am repelled, say what you want about sloots being hooores and all that but making it a matter of pubic record is just downright impolite and against (British) culture. That said I don't think there should really need to be a law against it, it's the sort of thing the (brown) person doing it should get a truncheon up his arse for right there and then, no need to legislate.
 
On the topic of ULEZ shit, I've noooticed a complete blackout on the topic of those "blade runners" around London who were going about chainsawing the cameras down
Easiest way to make people not do something is make everyone forget it's even happening.
 
Is it repellent though? Naturally I think it's weird to film strangers to sexualise them on the internet, however, they're adults, chose to dress themselves in that way, and then went out in public for Christ's sake. If you're bothered by being sexualised and having your barely covered ass and tits blasted on the internet, don't dress like a prostitute and walk around the streets.
It's repellent that someone choose to follow people to obtain footage to sexualise them all over the internet because it's just barely a step down from upskirting pics.

In turn it is also true that if you decide to exit the house wearing the material equivalent of two belts you should struggle to defend yourself when photographs are taken of you wearing that. I for example have never pursued legal cases when photos of me in my green lycra thong made it to the internet.

Essentially multiple things can be true;

It's not criminal to take photos of people
It's not criminal to dress in a manner two steps shy of advertising your wares
It's not criminal for photos of the above to be shared on the internet. Be it degenerate sex pest doing so or the people attired that way sharing it over instagram
It is possible for people to share such images in a manner that is just a smidge removed from pornography

In a similar way to people wanting certain descriptions of ethnic minorities to be banned when the honkies use them but not when rap artists shove it into their material criminalising one aspect requires criminalising it all. But the people complaining refuse to accept that because they 100% want their cake and to eat it too.

Instead what should happen is when someone decides to share a women's images on the internet without her permission the only police involvement should be naming the creepy cunt.
It's literally up there if you look it up on Google/Yandex/ search engine of your choice. Jfc dude go look it up for yourself @Morethanabitfoolish.
Fun fact, the expectation on KiwiFarms is pretty clearly laid out
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Not certain why asking you to do so knotted your underwear that much but here's Burham's statement.
Now that we have secured a delay in the introduction of the Greater Manchester Clean Air Zone (CAZ), there is an opportunity to reset the debate and find a much fairer solution.
As part of that, I wanted to take this opportunity to make a personal statement, clarifying issues that have been raised both in relation to my wife and my involvement in the development of the CAZ to date.
First, a number of serious allegations have been made in relation to my wife’s financial affairs.
So, for the avoidance of any doubt, here are the facts.
Marie-France is employed by Heavenly, a small marketing and brand agency. She works with a number of their clients, including Iduna Infrastructure Limited. Iduna owns Amey MAP Services Limited, which has a contract with TfGM to operate the public EV network under the brand name Be.EV. Marie-France has no direct financial relationship with Iduna. She does not own any shares in them and does not receive any bonus nor incentive payments from them.
Even though this is a minor private interest in relation to EV charging – and not directly related to the CAZ – I still chose to declare it, and remove myself from any decision-making, so that there could be no perception of a conflict of interest nor any suggestion of privileged information being misused. More broadly, we do not own any shares in any company and receive no income other than our salaries.
Given this, some of the claims that have been made about my wife are frankly disgraceful. An example of one of the worst can be seen below. I have set out the facts and ask that this now stops.
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Second, there have been many claims that I am the main architect of the CAZ; that this is “Andy Burnham’s plan” or the “Burnham Tax”. This narrative has been mainly promoted by the Conservative Party, its MPs and councillors, because it suits their political purposes to distract people from their Government’s primary role in this policy.
Again, I will set out the facts.
When I was first elected in 2017, there was already an on-going process between the Government and our councils in relation to the action needed to clean up our air by the 2024 deadline imposed by the Government. While I was regularly kept updated, I have never had any formal decision-making role in relation to the CAZ. As an example, I am not a member of the Charging Committee, which sets the charging policy and decides how any proceeds will be used.
It is the Government which holds the primary decision-making role. Ministers set the precise terms of the directives placed on each of our 10 councils – and have final sign-off on any local plan developed by the councils. At local level, the formal decision-makers are the individual councillors in the 10 local authorities who vote on the local response to the Government directive.
That said, I have worked to support our councils and try to make the best of a difficult policy situation.
I supported the proposal to exclude cars and limit the CAZ mainly to commercial vehicles. I also believe our councils had little choice over the size of the scheme given the number of locations in exceedance and the unworkable alternative of having multiple, smaller zones. By opting for a larger zone, the thinking was that financial support could be opened up to more individuals and businesses.
My main role to date has been to liaise with the Government and support efforts to secure the maximum possible funding to support the fair introduction of the CAZ. It was with that in mind that I became worried, in late 2021, that the £120M we had secured would not be sufficient given the rampant inflation in the vehicle market. As a result, the Government’s refusal to fund a hardship scheme for owners of the oldest vans had become a major problem. So, in December 2021, the Labour Leaders and I agreed that the CAZ scheme should be referred back to the Government early in the New Year on the back of evidence gathered.
However, I do not want to appear as if I believe there is nothing we could have done better. With hindsight, it is obvious that a scheme designed in pre-pandemic times was not going to work in the post-pandemic era. Whilst I was distracted by the need to respond to the pandemic, I accept that I should have woken up earlier to the coming problems. I also believe the communications about the CAZ have not been good enough throughout and I take responsibility for that. As a result of this, people only became aware of it when the cameras and signs began to appear and that has created an understandable shock and loss of trust. I know there are many people who are genuinely anxious about the CAZ given the pressures businesses have faced through the pandemic and the rising cost of living we are seeing in 2022.
These were the reasons why we went back to the Government and, from here, I will do whatever I can to get the best solution we can.
I want to confirm in writing something that I said to the campaign group RethinkGM following my recent Q&A in Trafford: that, as part of the new discussions with the Government, I will be pressing for a new scheme which minimises any resort to charges and, if possible, removes them altogether. I will also argue strongly for the exclusion, in any scenario, of private leisure vehicles such as motorhomes, campervans and horseboxes. But I need to make clear again that I cannot guarantee these things as the final decision rests with the Government, not me.
I appreciate that, for some people, there is nothing I can say or do that will change the facts as they see them – or as they want to see them.
Some have said that the only result they will be happy with is the complete scrapping of the CAZ. I don’t support that. I cannot accept a situation where we leave some of our residents exposed to illegal air pollution. I support the principle of a Clean Air Zone – as long as it is fair and does not threaten people’s health in other ways by damaging jobs and livelihoods.
I have chosen to make this statement as I live in hope that most reasonable people will understand that I can’t continue to take political responsibility for a policy over which I do not have the final say. That said, going forward, I will not shy away from the role I have played to date of mediating between the Government and the councils in trying to secure the best possible solution for Greater Manchester.
Good grief he is a disgusting mealy mouthed fuck.
 
What makes it extra grating is they'll never out and actually say it, always has to be sugar coated with how much they "love patriotism" and how
"it was a nice idea" but it's "ruined" by "the wrong types who know what they're doing", who? doing what? say it you cowards.
Yeah exactly, I was visiting a friend in a different city last year and she apologised for the England flags on the local roundabout, so I asked what the problem was, as the town in question is in England, and she said "Well yes but these flags were put up by racists!" Just what the fuck? Acknowledging English identity is "racist"? Okay fine, I'm racist then, and anyone not born in England who feels affronted by the concept of England can just fucking leave, to be honest.

If "tolerance" has got us to the point where English people in England passively expressing English identity is read as vile racism, then tolerance has utterly failed and must be immediately rejected. I'm fine with that.
 
Late for the crisp chat, but Worcester Sauce is/was my #1, followed by Pickled Onion.

Food related, don't know if it's just my region but I can't find the big tubs of mint choc chip ice cream anywhere for a good few years now. Morrisons was the last holdout, all that's left are the smaller "gourmet" tubs that cost twice what the big ones did.
 
Great flavour as well.

Also on a note about food. Am I insane or does it all seem to go bad faster now?
I've found it varies depending where you shop. Asda veg is always half-rotted when you pit it off the shelf. Morrisons is unpredictable but tends to be better. I don't even bother with Aldi.


I've been waiting for this one: Number of police forces to be cut in major shake-up

They're finishing off the reforms Blair started, turning the police into regional gendarmerie-style paramilitary forces that have no connection to local communities and even less accountability than the current forces. The models for it are Police Scotland and the Metropolitan Police, both of which routinely ignore crime - don't even record it in a lot of cases - because they're too busy chasing political targets and thinking about "the big picture". Scotland officially has some of the lowest crime rates in the UK, but if you've ever been up there you know it's absolute bollocks. Crime is rife and only getting worse. Same with London.
 
Late for the crisp chat, but Worcester Sauce is/was my #1, followed by Pickled Onion.

Food related, don't know if it's just my region but I can't find the big tubs of mint choc chip ice cream anywhere for a good few years now. Morrisons was the last holdout, all that's left are the smaller "gourmet" tubs that cost twice what the big ones did.
Tesco do their own rip-off Carte D’Or packaging version, usually only in the warmer months though (so if you’re in Scotland, you’re fucked). It’s not Tesco Value cheap, but it’s not Carte D’Or priced either. Only other alternative I know of is mint Viennetta, but that might be a Christmas-only thing.

I wish the bastards would stick their salted caramel not-pistachio-flavoured-pistachio ice cream up their arses and bring back proper flavours of basic, big tub ice cream. Strawberry, chocolate, mint choc chip, raspberry ripple. The best you can find now is one value tub of cheap Neapolitan, but you can buy ten different versions of cookies and salted caramel. Fuckkkkkkkkkkk offffffffffff.
 
Great flavour as well.

Also on a note about food. Am I insane or does it all seem to go bad faster now?
You should talk to my mum about that. Basically the only time I ever hear her swear is when she starts ranting about 'How the fuck is a potato I bought a month ago rotten? They used to last years! What the fuck are they doing to them now a days?'
 
And After-Eights.
After Eights are awful, and I'm tired of pretending they're not. I'm not going to be suckered in by advertising saying that they're oh so classy and refined.

They're like a practical joke you play on someone. Ooh, look a delicious square of chocolate. Hang on, what's this weird viscous goo inside? Looks like liquid soap, or bodywash? Urgh, mint??

Vomit.

Tell me with a straight face that they wouldn't be improved by replacing the goo with caramel. You can't.

They were probably initially made to dispose of large quantities of minty effluent left over by some sort of industrial process. And you allllll fell for it.
 
After Eights are awful, and I'm tired of pretending they're not. I'm not going to be suckered in by advertising saying that they're oh so classy and refined.

They're like a practical joke you play on someone. Ooh, look a delicious square of chocolate. Hang on, what's this weird viscous goo inside? Looks like liquid soap, or bodywash? Urgh, mint??

Vomit.

Tell me with a straight face that they wouldn't be improved by replacing the goo with caramel. You can't.

They were probably initially made to dispose of large quantities of minty effluent left over by some sort of industrial process. And you allllll fell for it.
We need to deport you along with Kemi.
 
Ever since the forced government lockdowns the food quality has noticeably dropped. I don't eat chicken from supermarkets anymore because it comes ropey and weird and slimy.

Crowborough plans a protest Sunday, there are reports of demonstrations already and parents pulling kids from school due to the school busroute sharing a stop with the base (unconfirmed). I keep thinking about how the EU was concerned about the UK's military spending and how we're not doing enough, and Mahmood and Starmer just shove a bunch of wogs into barracks. I yearn for nuclear winter.
 
Ever since the forced government lockdowns the food quality has noticeably dropped.
Completely agree with this. The quality is right down, the supply chains don’t seem to be able to keep turnover as it used to be so you get things with longer dates that seem older. The fruit and veg goes off sooner. The meat, specifically the chicken, tastes weird like it’s been treated with something.
 
Completely agree with this. The quality is right down, the supply chains don’t seem to be able to keep turnover as it used to be so you get things with longer dates that seem older. The fruit and veg goes off sooner. The meat, specifically the chicken, tastes weird like it’s been treated with something.
The chicken iirc lines up with some yank deal (not sure if it went thru) because our governments hate us and hate British farmers more. Our supply chains are absolutely fucked, isn't it something like all our food is on the motorway and not in storage?
PL but i have to pop into supermarket every 3-4 because meat/veg doesn't last anymoe. You used to be able to do a weekly shop and know that things would last or not go a funny colour. Now almost all meat has to be frozen or the veg used asap. It's why the war talk genuinely tickles me, maybe the govt is relying on all the fat people surviving off their enormous storages and us skinnys can just die off.
The BIG food talk at the minute is the banning of non stun slaughter, which potentially includes Halal and Kosher. RSPCA are behind it as well, tho not banning religious slaughters yet (i don't see the difference), but they are agreeing that slaughter methods need to be labelled properly.
 
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