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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[A-Logato]

If the government gave one single shit about kiddy diddlers online then they would have banned Discord as it's Groomer central but you've heard 0 about them doing that. If Twitter were to be banned then I assure you every single politician with an account would still be posting on it as normal via a VPN.

 

[Otterly]

Here's one telling men that their wives need the occasional smack in the mouth to keep them in line.

This is what I mean - they don’t give a shit about women’s well-being or about csam . It’s purely about controlling all of us.
Bring down the government

 

[diroama]

Holyrood needs to be shut down. It is nothing but a soap box for petty nationalists and other C grade politicians on the make.

 

[Overly Serious]

I do think the UK gov is too soft on other platforms, but they are trying to do something right here,

If I hate White people and shoot a White child molester, have I done "something right". Maybe, but incidentally. And I'll go on to shoot White people who aren't child molesters if I get people's blessing for that.

What actually are these images? I doubt it's nudes or worse. But still inappropriate like taking a regular photo of a child and changing their clothes to something else? I expect such image generations will be more and more blocked as people get better at this. As I explained above, technically it's quite hard to stop some of this stuff at the model level. Generally training a model to not do something is actually harder than training it do something. I've seen people go to great lengths to try and stop AI noticing certain things or giving politically insensitive outputs. For example, unless you fully remove race from training data I've seen machine learning spit out things the owners *really* don't want it saying. And even if you do, it starts picking up on proxies like names, areas lived in and such things.

I think Twitter will manage to lock this stuff down with or without the British government huffing and puffing, honestly. I certainly don't believe they want their service to be exploitable like this.

and hell, all social media should be banned for under 16s anyway.

There's some merit to that, though.

No you’re right. The answer perhaps then is to pick up the people asking grok to do it and put them in a wood chipper, as we should be doing with anyone we find making/distributing csam

I think sadly this is much of the right answer. I say sadly because it's reactive rather than preventive but then there are a lot of things where prevention would require curtailment of freedom at unprecedented levels. But if you react hard enough, you can eliminate repeat offenders. I'm okay with the Chilling Effect when it's someone not sharing CSAM because they saw someone else fed into a wood chipper.

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Go home prevent, you’re drunk.

What was the source image? I have to say, I don't generally like the idea of being able to swap adults into outfits or create nudes they wouldn't want to be photographed in, either. There's another angle here which is to be able to identify fake images. That's as important, imo, and needs some serious thought put into it.

I haven't seen these images myself, and I dont know if Musk has actually taken a stand that his AI tools should be able to generate this sort of content, or if the criticism is that he hasn't done enough to stop it, but I see the calls to ban X from people who dont like it for entirely unrelated reasons as the greater harm. I have no doubt that similar images could be generated on other AI services - the only difference here is who owns this one.

Definitely a large factor. Though half of the MPs probably don't know about most of the other services and platforms out there anyway. Part of it (part of it) will just be name recognition. A lot of the time MPs are just chasing whatever soundbite they can to look like they're doing something. If they here that you can make CSAM on Twitter they will rush out a statement the next day that sounds like they're doing something about it. They're not going out looking for things to do proactively. They're looking at newspaper headlines and thinking "what should I say so that I don't look weak".

It can be both.

SNP ministers are seeking a legal ruling declaring that implementing the Supreme Court’s landmark ruling on sex would unlawfully trample on the human rights of transgender criminals.

I re-watched The Thick of It recently, a brilliant show in which MPs are regularly hauled over the coals by their party's spin doctor for saying or doing the wrong thing. Is there nobody in the SNP to tell them what a PR misstep going to bat for trans rapists and assaulters is? Or is Scotland so far gone that this is actually a vote winner?

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

On the twitter matter:
Is producing CSAM both morally wrong and illegal - obviously, and people who do so need the rope

Is using grok to change a picture of a clothed child into one of a child in swimwear morally wrong - yes

Is using grok to change a picture of a clothed child into one of a child in swimwear illegal - only if said resulting picture is "indecent", and if so that opens a whole can of worms, but I can pretty much guarantee these people will also have genuine CSAM (and Star Trek DVDs)

Should you be posting pictures of your children on the publicly accessible Internet - for fucks sake obviously not

Has there been any actual confirmed cases of grok being used to produce CSAM rather than legal but distasteful material of children in swimwear - none as far as I can make out

Is this being trumped up as a blatant excuse to threaten and maybe even ban twitter because it's a potential source of memery for the right and mockery for the left in general and Starmer specifically - absofuckinglutely

As for adults being bikinified, it's distasteful but it's been going on since the first pervy photographer picked up a couple of negatives and a pair of scissors. We haven't banned scissors, photocopiers, Photoshop etc.

"Think of the children!" from the people who brought us generations long cover-ups of foreign child rape gangs, and whose wise old elders were full-throated supporters of PIE back in the day can fuck right off. They have enabled and approved of child sexual abuse on an industrial scale, and they have the blood on their hands of every native Brit in Southport, at the Manchester arena, and every other site of foreign depravity, rape and murder in our country.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The funny thing about the GROK shit is that apparently it's because people have been found with AI generated kiddy porn and they've claimed that it was generated by Grok.

Which really sends the noggin' joggin', surely it's better for a guy who smells like hammers to say that it's actually evil X that's producing the generated child porn by accident than saying they created it themselves with photoshop.

No actual CP has been found on X generated by Grok so far, which tbh would be easy to spot as grok responds with an image reply to a tweet request.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

The funny thing about the GROK shit is that apparently it's because people have been found with AI generated kiddy porn and they've claimed that it was generated by Grok.

Which really sends the noggin' joggin', surely it's better for a guy who smells like hammers to say that it's actually evil X that's producing the generated child porn by accident than saying they created it themselves with photoshop.

No actual CP has been found on X generated by Grok so far, which tbh would be easy to spot as grok responds with an image reply to a tweet request.

The whole thing is a psyop to try and bounce the public into supporting a ban on twitter, and no doubt it will be followed by any other space where rightist thought can be spread freely.

Wouldn't be massively surprised to see Carl of Swindon and the rest of the Lotuseaters crew being deplatformed and debanked next, as milquetoast as they are they are doing numbers on YouTube spreading right of centre messaging.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

The new Prevent game, Pathways, has depicted the anti migration character as a purple-haired choker-wearing true-and-honest woman.

Finally, some racist art hoe representation. I know what my halloween costume is this year. The game also treats researching immigration statistics online as extremist behaviour.

New hatespeech emoji combo for the chuds;

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

There's just something really really funny about Iran about to topple their Caliphate due to censorship just as the UK is growing more and more into an Iranian Caliphate.

 

[FedPostalService]

And that makes what Twitter is doing okay, how? Hell, all they would need to do to stop a ban is just stop it from being used for making child porn and would be no risk of a ban.

I do think the UK gov is too soft on other platforms, but they are trying to do something right here, and hell, all social media should be banned for under 16s anyway.

Yes, that’s what we need as a country. More government interference and censorship.

 

[Product Placement]

Yes, that’s what we need as a country. More government interference and censorship.

Glad you agree that the government do need to step in when platformer holder like Musk lets his ai be used for child porn.

 

[anklyscr]

Leaked messages show Labour MPs complaining about X. Please note X is unsafe for women and puts children in harms way, but if you complain about the safety of women in the streets or children in schools with migrants you are uhhhh a heckin chuderino.
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Our state is truly powerless. The Grok update was a disaster but banning X/twitter is retarded.

I’m a retard and forgot to post this earlier

 

[BongoMongo]

(Intro).mp3

Same here!

If there is a God and all that...

Mate, that is fucking amazing. Thanks ever so much for sharing that.

That's made my day it's catchy as heck.

I love the nifty guitar solo on the fade out and all.

If he refuses to stop letting his AI make child porn, then yes. Not sure why he should get a free pass on that just because he is critical of the British government. He has a simple out, really is no defending him on it.

It really doesn't matter if the UK gov is only using this as a convenient reason to ban it, when it is something that Musk shouldn't have allowed in the first place and should have pulled until it was sorted out. He has given them a legit reason to ban it.

I'm pretty sure that the labour party is on no position to say shit to anyone about anything to do with the safety of kids.thwor core voting base are pedophiles and they have a fine history of supporting, and indeed being, child rapists and pederasts.

 

[Product Placement]

Mate, that is fucking amazing. Thanks ever so much for sharing that.

That's made my day it's catchy as heck.

I love the nifty guitar solo on the fade out and all.

I'm pretty sure that the labour party is on no position to say shit to anyone about anything to do with the safety of kids.thwor core voting base are pedophiles and they have a fine history of supporting, and indeed being, child rapists and pederasts.

So you think labour is full of pedos, so that makes it okay for Musk to allow his AI to generate child porn? That is the point you are making.

You can be against both, it doesn't have to be a battle of sides. And if Musk was normal, he would have pulled the AI image generation, until it would no longer be able to generate child porn, and do so without the need of any government intervention to make him. Hell shouldn't even be a political issue.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

So you think labour is full of pedos, so that makes it okay for Musk to allow his AI to generate child porn? That is the point you are making.

You can be against both, it doesn't have to be a battle of sides. And if Musk was normal, he would have pulled the AI image generation, until it would no longer be able to generate child porn, and do so without the need of any government intervention to make him. Hell shouldn't even be a political issue.

How much time do you spend trying to get AIs to generate child pornography? Just curious, just asking a question.

 

[Product Placement]

How much time do you spend trying to get AIs to generate child pornography? Just curious, just asking a question.

I'm not the one who thinks it should be allowed and getting upset over the possiblity of it rightfully being banned. So you can stop you projection and seek some help

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

I'm not the one who thinks it should be allowed and getting upset over the possiblity of it rightfully being banned. So you can stop you projection.

So do you download it from the dark web or produce it yourself?

 

[Feathers McGraw]

You can be against both, it doesn't have to be a battle of sides. And if Musk was normal, he would have pulled the AI image generation, until it would no longer be able to generate child porn, and do so without the need of any government intervention to make him. Hell shouldn't even be a political issue.

I am not convinced there's any actual evidence of this happening. The only source I've seen cited in the complaints about Grok producing child porn was a charity saying they saw a post on a dark web forum where the user claimed they used Grok to generate "sexualised images", which was then denied by xAI. Even that source said the "hardcore" content was generated by other models.

Their main arguments seem to relate to users making deepfakes of people (the BBC cite ones of Keir Starmer in a bikini, showing where the priorities lie) and while that is an interesting point of concern, it's clearly not something that requires an immediate wholesale ban of the platform.

This is the same government that made it a crime to air subversive opinions in public, and have removed your right to a trial by jury if you are accused of doing so. It's quite clear that this is just the next step in their plans to silence all dissent. There is a reason they are going after Twitter and not the platforms where child harm is provably committed (Discord, Snapchat, Telegram, etc.)

 

[Vesperus]

I'm not the one who thinks it should be allowed and getting upset over the possiblity of it rightfully being banned. So you can stop you projection and seek some help

Unsure if literally retarded or glowie.
Either way, kindly piss off back to reddit.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

Snip

Just so you're aware, the user you're replying to has been accused on the capital I Internet of the production of child sexual abuse material. There's zero actual evidence of this, but tbh I think they need to be banned, for the sake of the children.