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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Oh, and kids drinking Hooch and alcopops was a thing for a while.
The invention of, then instant banning of alcopops was a quality arc to witness.

Hard to explain to people that alcopops were so new and confusing, that shops were selling them to kids not knowing what was going on.

First time I saw Hooch on sale in Home Bargains was about 10 years ago and I tried explaining to people at work how much it amazed me (simple things, simple minds and all of that), but I got the usual shrugs of incredulity from the youff.

The moral panic of alcopops reminds me of simpler times, when we cared about kids. Now we hop them up on puberty blockers, SSRI's, lootboxes and vapes.
Though I wasn't a massive fan of 90s music
It was the last decade of decent metal/rock before the new faggotry shit hit at the end of the decade/early 2000s. It was a good scene of talented people taken over by people who know, or care about music and just wanted to jump on the band wagon to spout bollocks. Kind of like what happened to gaming.

Kind of sad that we will never live through a time like that ever again, pre-invasive technology. Sad.
 
In 'Well That Escalated Quickly' news today, Michael Jolley has left his role as First Team Manager of Bury AFC after only two days:



The reason for his sacking? He had sex with a 15 year old girl, but he has always maintained that the girl said that she was older and lied about her age.

Some GB News bits:

* Keir Starmer faces OUSTING as arch-rival 'identifies seat in bid to topple PM' (the SCG is on maneuvers, with Burgon, McDonnell, Abbott and others set to bring down Starmer in 2026)

* London cabbies thank GB News as festive gift sales fund their heroic work supporting children

* London child protection body scraps ‘gender ideology’ training after legal challenge

* Keir Starmer’s ex–top aide (Sue Gray) intervenes against controversial assisted suicide law change backed by her former boss

* Keir Starmer cornered as explosive leak reveals Donald Trump to seal EU's borders with Brexit 2.0 - Lee Cohen

* Racial hatred laws 'must be tightened' in wake of Bondi Beach massacre, Chris Philp declares

* Deal locals devastated after Boxing Day tradition cancelled with two weeks' notice as organisers 'admit defeat'

* Nigel Farage hails Australian hero for snatching gun from attacker during 'horrendous' Bondi shooting

* Floods set to devastate swathes of Britain as Met Office issues multiple weather warnings after Storm Bram chaos
 
I thought it was something to do with dogs being working animals way back in the mists of when many of our laws were first made, so if you hit one (with a horse n carriage, bike, car etc) you could be making it hard for some guy to do his work, therefore owe him compensation?

Toilet musings from a time when I had a better imagination, perhaps.
You have reminded me of a video Cambrian Chronicles did on medieval Welsh cat law.
A very weird and wonderful channel if you haven't found it before.
 
I think I remember Josh saying something similar on MATI, but I still don't get it. Do they literally bin the tax money? If so, what's the difference between simultaneously taking that money out of the economy and then printing the same amount back into the economy?
All of the money is a loan. It needs to be a loan or you wouldn't intrinsically have inflation.

The central bank loans out money to the top tier banks at the current interest rate that we all hear about so much. The banks must pay back the money they borrowed with interest. Given there is only one source of money with which to pay back the loan, further loans must be taken out to pay it back with. This creates inflation and incentivises people to keep spending and earning. Saving money under your mattress becomes bad when money continually decreases in value. Note the central bank may also create this money by buying government issues bonds (more debt). If you're asking where all this money comes from ultimately, that's why it's called fiat. They declare it to exist like God declared light and there it is.

Now taxes collected by the government go into its coffers and get spent on what the government chooses. Sometimes things are specifically earmarked like National Insurance but I'm fairly sure behind the scenes there's all sorts of pocket picking via various mechanisms. Not my area. Anyway, taxes are used by the government.

BUT... that's the old model.

The idea that taxes are destroyed relates to something called Modern Monetary Theory. A little while ago, Western governments realised they were kind of fucked. A lot of money went into bad schemes, governments kept borrowing more and more to stay elected or scratch their friends' backs, whatever. Not enough was left to keep the lights on. They wanted to print as much money as necessary. But people don't like this - it ramps up inflation, which destroys the worth of people's savings, debts they're owed, etc. Enter Modern Monetary Theory. MMT says that it's not extra money that causes inflation, it's extra money getting into the ordinary person's pockets. If you can print money without the common people getting it, you can pay off your debts without inflation. Under MMT, the government doesn't use taxes to fund its activities - at least not primarily. And why should it? Taxes are finite. No, it issues new fiat currency to pay its debts and to pay you for your services. Taxes then become a way to cap your spending by pulling the extra money away from you. And it also keeps up demand for the governments newly issued currency because you need it to pay the taxes with.

Lets say there are two buckets. One is the ordinary people's, one is the governments. MMT is the idea that the government can print as much money as it needs but only one bucket will fill up. Taxation is no longer the limit on what governments can spend. They can print/borrow from the central bank what they want. Taxes aren't needed to pay for government spending so much as they're needed to control yours. And yes - to pull money out of the system when they want to reduce supply. And some of those taxes have to go back to service the debt and once returned to the central bank, yes - presumably destroyed in favour of new money to be loaned out again. Remember, inflation is built in.

An economist could give you a far better explanation of it all, but thank God I am not one. However, if all this sounds like a bit of a Cake and Eat It scenario for the government, well, you might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.

MMT gained popularity after the big 2008 financial crisis. This is the amount of dollars in existence over time (grey line). Note how it's gone up since MMT became the US govt. model.
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Shocking, isn't it? Well sit down because here's Britain's M2 money supply over the same time period.

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I can offer some reassurance, though. If you think that MMT is some wild and dangerous experiment inflicted on us all without our knowledge, that's not necessarily true. Whilst MMT under exactly that name is a relatively recent thing, very similar in principle economic policies have been done before. Notably, Zimbabwe, Venezuela and Argentina all relied very heavily on large deficit spending over taxation. So sleep well.
 
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The latest police fashion item.
A hijab featuring a magnetic "quick-release system" designed to help female Muslim police officers on patrol has been put into production.
The headwear has been created by researchers at De Montfort University (DMU) with Leicestershire Police, with the magnetic attachment allowing the lower section to detach instantly if pulled in a confrontation to prevent the "risk of strangulation while maintaining modesty".
Student officer PC Seher Nas says she feels "proud and empowered as a Muslim woman" when wearing the hijab as part of her police uniform.
As well as interest from forces around the country, DMU said it had been fielding inquiries from NHS trusts, paramedics and the private sector.

Det Sgt Yassin Desai, the founder of Leicestershire Police's Association of Muslim Police, said the design had taken three years to develop.
Det Sgt Desai said the new item - called the Blue Light Hijab - was tested on female officers during several trials, with the design being manufactured by DMU having worked out.
"The bottom part was able to detach and the officer was able to keep her dignity," he said.
"It's amazing to think after three years of research and development, we have got the design of this right, and we're taking it forward together."

Hijabs have been part of the uniform for a number of police forces for several years, with North Yorkshire Police introducing a two-piece design to protect officers in 2020.
An operational hijab introduced by New Zealand Police was also trialled in Leicestershire in a "country first" in 2021.
Student officer PC Nas said it was her "childhood dream" to become a police officer.
Although she has only been with Leicestershire Police for three weeks, the 23-year-old said she had "always known" about the operational hijab, having followed its progress in the news since 2021.

"Now, being [one of the first people] to actually wear it, I feel proud and empowered as a Muslim woman," PC Nas said.
"Day to day [the quick-release hijab] is really easy. It takes me about five minutes in total to get it on, then I'm out the house.
"In comparison to ones I used to wear, I always had that element of worry that I would be strangled while on duty.
"Having that element of trust that I will be protected whilst I'm on duty is a whole different element that is well-considered in the force."
Insp Marina Waka added: "It is reassuring to know that this new hijab, which will be issued as part of an officer's personal protective equipment, is comfortable and safe as well as looking smart and professional.
"I hope it will inspire other Muslim women to consider becoming a police officer knowing they can wear a hijab that protects them while fulfilling their religious requirements as well."
Labour councillor employing an illegal immigrant
A Labour councillor hired an illegal immigrant to work as a nanny for a year and paid her cash in hand, a court heard.
Hina Mir is under pressure to resign after it was found she employed Himanshi Gongley at her London home until Aug 2024, despite her not having legal residency or right to work in the UK.
The 45-year-old former deputy mayor for the borough of Hounslow kept the Indian student on call “24 hours a day for six days a week” to look after her two children in Feltham, west London.
Mir claimed the student, who was 22 at the time, was merely a “social visitor” frequenting her home to “play video games, to watch TV and to chill” when in fact she was performing household chores.

Amelia Williams, for the Home Office, said the student appeared to be distressed when she “flagged down a police car for help” on Aug 28 last year.
The student, whom Mir nicknamed Ria, was then found to be in the country illegally.

Mir, a qualified solicitor, was convicted in January this year for “hiring an illegal immigrant”. After unsuccessfully appealing the fine at the City of London county court, she will have to pay £40,000, as well as £3,620 in court costs.
The Conservatives have called on the Labour Party to sack the councillor in light of the findings.
Jack Emsley, a Tory councillor, told The Telegraph: “It is clear that Councillor Mir’s positions as both the chair of the housing scrutiny panel and as a councillor are untenable.
“This is a serious breach of the law, and residents rightly deserve a lot better.
“I am shocked that the local Labour Party continue to stand by her not just as a councillor, but as a Labour candidate in next year’s elections.
“If Councillor Mir won’t resign, the Labour Party need to do the right thing and sack her.”
Ron Mushiso, another west London Tory councillor, said: “The Prime Minister has stood on a platform stating he would smash the gangs. That should include those who seem to be gaming our immigration system by employing people illegally for their own ends.

“The fact that it is a serving councillor who is at the heart of this case, makes it even more extraordinary. She is complicit in the problems of tackling illegal immigration in this country. It is up to Labour to decide if she should step down as a councillor.”
Ms Gongley had entered the UK in 2021 to study but her student visa expired in March 2023 which meant she was an overstayer.
In an interview with immigration authorities, Ms Gongley said she was “physically abused” and felt “suicidal”.
Adam Goodchild, an immigration officer, told the court: “She was aware her leave had expired and that is why she was not attending university.
“She told me immediately that she was in the country illegally and that her leave status had been curtailed and expired.”
He added: “She confirmed she was paid £1,200 a month. She said £400 goes to her employer for her rent and the rest goes on food. She claimed she was being paid cash in hand.”

Arif Rehman, representing the councillor, told the court: “This story was fabricated with an intention to claim immigration advantage and to present herself as a victim of modern-day slavery.

“Nothing was done with the allegations with the evidence of abuse because there was no evidence.
“This is not someone who can be trusted by the court.”
Dismissing the appeal, Judge Stephen Hellman said: “Councillor Mir is a person of exemplary character. She is a solicitor, a councillor and is involved in the community.
“But the inconsistencies in the appellant’s evidence mean I cannot place much reliance on her evidence as I normally would.”
The judge added: “I fall back on my gut instinct. My educated reflection on the facts is that Ms Ria was probably telling the truth.
“I find it unlikely she would have concocted the quite detailed evidence she gave at short notice after she had been arrested by the police.”
I have no idea why the BBC is allowing some 23 year old to whine about how orphans shouldn't be villains like they're his blog but here it is
Hollywood blockbusters and horror films frequently using adopted children as psychopaths and villains causes harm in real life, adoptees have said.

James Evans, 23, was two-and-a-half months old when he was removed from his birth family due to their inability to parent and harmful behaviour.

Now with a masters degree in scriptwriting, James said films such as Thor, Annabelle and The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It, among many others, made him "frustratingly uncomfortable" at how adoptees are depicted.

PhD researcher Annalisa Toccara-Jones said she had interviewed adult adoptees who felt "a real disconnection between what they're seeing in TV and film and what they actually experience".
James, from Cardiff, said adopted characters had their trauma used to explain bad behaviour, which impacts the way society views people like him.

He was fostered by two families before Ruth and Andrew Evans adopted him when he was two and said no film or TV series had ever made him feel "properly seen".

One of the most high-profile adoptees in cinema is the Norse god of mischief Loki in the Marvel films.

While he is Thor's adopted brother in the film, the original myth is that the two are friends, external.

These stories reinforce damaging stereotypes of adopted people as imposters or "devil children" where trauma is used as a "lazy" plot device for evil, he said.
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The other end of the spectrum is the "grateful adoptee", when a child's adoption is seen as a fairy tale ending, such as Miss Honey taking in Matilda in the Roald Dahl book and subsequent films.

This ignores "the loss and grief" of children being taken away from their birth parents, James said.

Adopted characters tended to be "criminals, psychopaths, these broken damaged people that are here to cause trouble".

He added that this approach "really knocks your confidence" and affects how adopted people go through the world.


Susie James, 64, from Bournemouth is adopted, has adopted her son, and is researching complex psychological, social dynamics of adoption for a PhD at the University of Bradford.

She said horror films such as Orphan implied adoptees were "ticking timebombs" which fuelled "stigma and fear".

Adopted children are "labelled as coming with some kind of defect, something in the past which is going to turn them into a monster" which makes an "easy plot device for horror".

She said harmful stereotypes could increase bullying of adoptees and "doesn't do anything for their self-esteem".


While James has been "loved and cared for" and has "the best support system" in parents Ruth and Andrew, he said just because his trauma was invisible, does not mean he did not need help.

"There was no post-adoption support when I was adopted back in 2004, I was left to drown in my trauma of grief, loss, identity and attachment, which has had a huge impact on my life."

He said he was often asked how he could remember trauma from infancy, but stressed "it's a huge misconception" that babies and infants can't remember things.

While they can't form explicit picture memories, external there are "subconscious memories" which "become part of the brain and body".

James said the portrayal of adoptees through the fairy tale lens was as damaging as being presented as villains as it tells society they were ungrateful if they behave outside this stereotype.

Both portrayals could be damaging in terms of future adoptive parents as they could think either everything will be easy or are put off because they think the children will be "naughty and really bad".

Language like "real parents" when talking about birth family compared to adoptive families was also unhelpful, he said.

"If an adopted child's parents are parenting them, they are their real parents.

"They are the ones who are there every day fighting for their child and that is real parenting. Biology isn't fundamentally what defines parenting, it's what you do."
Despite all this, James and Susie highlighted some good portrayals.

Doctor Who fan James said the show's exploration of the Doctor's childhood during Jodie Whittaker's era felt nuanced and accurate, which makes sense as the writer Chris Chibnall is an adoptee himself.

They also both agreed that Lost Boys and Fairies by Daf James captured the complexity of the adoption process.

Daf James said he set out to reflect authentically his own experience of the adoption process
Inspired by his own experience, Daf's award-winning drama follows two husbands navigating the adoption process.

"Adopting my three children has been the most challenging yet rewarding thing I've done," Daf said.

"I realised I hadn't really seen it reflected authentically on screen.

"Social workers are often antagonists in dramas, rather than heroes. Kids are troubled rather than vulnerable children who need loving homes.

"Adoption can change lives, and so can the stories that reflect adoption positively."
Emily Frith, CEO of Adoption UK, said the organisation has heard from other adoptees who were upset by how they are portrayed on screen.

"Horror films and thrillers, where an adopted person is somebody coming into a family and causing a challenge or drama is very othering," she said.

"It's saying there's something really different, whereas obviously an adopted person has the same potential as anyone else in life, they just have stuff that gets in the way."

Her advice to screenwriters was to research and "understand the perspectives of different people with different lived experience".

Ms Toccara-Jones, 38, from Sheffield, who is researching narratives of adoption in media and how it impacts adoptees, said those voices "have been sidelined" in policy making as decision-makers are not adopted themselves.

This influences storytelling in TV and film which then further feeds the way adoptees are seen by society.

Within her research, she has interviewed adult adoptees who she said felt "a real disconnection between what they're seeing in TV and film and what they actually experience" which was "a form of gaslighting".
Susie said she wanted to see adoptees presented "with compassion", detailing "what they've been through" and their "struggle to function and reach their potential in our society" as well as the "trauma that lives inside them and how they navigate that with a support system that's crumbling".

Now he has graduated James is beginning his career in an industry he hopes to help change for the better.

His aim is to bring "authentic representation of adoption from the perspective of adoptees to TV and film".
Immigration charities whining that they're growing to be perceived more negatively. So now they're looking to get the rules changed so they can hide the identity of the trustees behind these charities.
A surge in death and rape threats and harassment has created a “culture of fear” at charities serving women and refugees, and at mosques, churches and synagogues, the head of the Charity Commission has warned.
Mark Simms said he feared growing hostility towards charity staff, volunteers and beneficiaries, both online and on the streets, was becoming normalised and risked eroding civilised values and norms British society once took for granted.

His warning comes as the commission issues formal guidance advising charities on how to protect voluntary workers exposed to what it calls “unacceptable” personal risks as a result of threats, abuse and intimidation from some sections of the public.
A range of charities report being targeted by extremists amid a rise in toxic and divisive political rhetoric around immigration. Incidents of violence and vandalism – and increased security measures to combat them – are regarded by some as the new normal.

Refugee and asylum seeker charities, Muslim, Jewish and ethnic minority organisations, faith groups, women’s groups, youth bodies, homelessness charities and charity shops have reported increasing incidents of violence, threats, racism and abuse since the Southport riots in 2024.
“Over recent months, we’ve seen charity workers verbally and physically abused on the streets. We’ve heard of death threats, threats of sexual assault, witnessed damage and vandalism done to charity offices,” Simms will say in an speech to the commission’s annual public meeting.
“The charities targeted vary – some support women, some refugees or asylum seekers, some work with young people or homeless people. Some are places of worship. What unites them is that they are doing what they were set up to do – fulfilling purposes their governing documents set out, and which parliament has ruled are charitable.”
Simms will add: “What I have found especially disturbing is how little surprise these events have sparked beyond the sector itself. If we accept as normal charity workers being abused on the street, their families threatened with violence, what will shock us?
“There’s something insidious about this normalisation – the analogy of the eroding shoreline comes to mind. Waves of violence crashing against land, day by day, wearing down, inch by inch, the values and norms we once took for granted. And if we don’t pay careful attention, we may fail to notice, until it’s too late, that we are at the very edge of the cliff.”
Simms, the commission’s interim chair, will add: “Charities are not above the law, or beyond scrutiny. Their work should be open to challenge and debate. But nobody should face abuse for doing their job.”
The commission would be “sympathetic” to voluntary organisations who ask to have their trustees names removed or redacted from the public register of charities where there is evidence they may be identified and targeted by extremists.
The new commission guidance focuses on the “current hostile environment”. It says it recognises some charities “are now operating in an environment where a section of the public is actively hostile to their work”.
Its safeguarding advice says charities at risk should keep the security of staff, visitors and premises under regular review and consider upgrading existing security measures. It asks charities to consider whether entry doors are secure and “alternative exit routes” are available.
The National Council for Voluntary Organisations is due to publish a report this week revealing that some charities describe existing in a culture of fear, with staff nervous about travelling to and from work and beneficiaries afraid to walk the streets.
Simms will also hit out at activists who attempt to “weaponise the legitimate work of charities” through the commission’s complaints system. “We will not indulge those who seek to misuse the commission as regulator to further political ends or undermine the rights of charities under the law,” he will say.
“Our job is to uphold charity law, the laws a democratically elected parliament has passed. We will not indulge those who seek to misuse the commission as regulator to further political ends or to undermine the rights of charities under the law.”
In recent years rightwing activists and Conservative backbench MPs have targeted several high-profile charities they dub “woke” or Marxist, including the National Trust and Barnardo’s, with formal complaints to the commission, claiming the charities have breached charity laws. None have been upheld.
Simms, who will be succeeded as commission chair by Julia Unwin in January, will pay tribute to the charity sector as a “bedrock of decency, compassion and civic strength” that steps forward to “protect the shoreline of a civilised, humane, hopeful society”.
Migrant support groups (you know, the ones aiding illegal immigration) are whining for the UK and French governments to do more about anti-migrant activists.
UK and French authorities have been accused of “encouraging violent and xenophobic practices” by failing to tackle anti-migrant British activists who travel to northern France in an attempt to stop small boat crossings.
In an unusual move, nine French associations working with people camped in northern France have issued a statement condemning the UK and French governments for lack of action.

The group Raise the Colours, which has organised the hanging of St George and union flags on lamp-posts and other street furniture across the UK, has launched Operation Overlord, a reference to the Normandy landings in the second world war.
On Friday, members of the group were in France targeting migrants for harassment and searching for dinghies buried in sand dunes to destroy. Some were detained by French police for their actions.

The French association Utopia 56, which works on beaches in northern France where migrants try to cross the Channel, reported them to the police.
“They were detained for several hours before being released,” a Utopia 56 spokesperson said. “We have been monitoring the social media accounts of these various groups daily and reporting them to the public prosecutor and prefecture.
“However, even though we hear our alerts are taken seriously, to date nothing has been done to prevent them from coming to the beaches along the coast. When the far right advances unchecked, human rights erode.”
According to Raise the Colours on social media, 5,500 people have offered to go to France to intervene to “stop the boats”, something it says the UK and French authorities are failing to do.
Raise the Colours has circulated appeals for stab-proof vests, plate carriers, high-powered torches, thermal cameras, drones and encrypted radios. It defines itself as a “true professional civilian border control force, ready to take control of the beaches”. One man who said he was ex-army posted a call to “ex-squaddies” to go and patrol the French beaches 24/7.
The group has livestreamed footage of its activities on the coast of northern France on social media.

The Home Office has urged groups such as Raise the Colours not to take the law into their own hands.
The French organisations that issued the statement include L’Auberge des Migrants, Utopia 56, Medecins du Monde, Human Rights Observers and the Refugee Women’s Centre. They have accused the British and French authorities of a “seriously inadequate response” to the arrival in France of Raise the Colours supporters.
They state: “Structured intimidation tactics, reported, yet without an effective response from the authorities.
“None of their publications aimed at recruiting, informing and funding their activities have been removed and none of them have been subject to any measures denying them entry to French territory. These inaction measures contribute to normalising and encouraging violent and xenophobic practices that directly threaten exiled people and their support organisations.”
A Home Office spokesperson said: “We recognise the frustration surrounding small boat crossings. However, taking the law into your own hands will not resolve the issue.
“The home secretary has announced the biggest reforms to tackle illegal migration in decades, to restore order and control to our borders and make it less attractive for illegal migrants to come to Britain.”
Home Office sources said France was reviewing its maritime doctrine to strengthen its ability to intercept small boats in the water and that a new unit would be established in Dunkirk to expedite prosecutions of smugglers.
The French interior ministry has been approached for comment.
Raise the Colours has also been contacted for a response.
Police now officially told the chat about the Maccabi ban is not over
MPs have requested further information from West Midlands Police and Birmingham City Council about decision-making that led to Maccabi Tel Aviv fans being banned from attending an Aston Villa match.
The Home Affairs Committee has written to police to clarify remarks made by Assistant Chief Constable Mike O'Hara, when giving evidence to the Committee on 1 December.
Police are also strongly expected to made a further appearance before the committee in the new year, given developments since the previous session, it said.
The decision to ban away fans from Villa Park at the Europa League fixture on 6 November was widely criticised, with Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer "angered by the decision".
West Midlands Police confirmed it had received the letter from the Home Affairs Committee and said would be "responding in due course".

The force had classified the match as high risk, based on "intelligence and previous incidents".
The committee has also written to the UK Football Policing Unit (UKFPU), requesting copies of the community impact assessment carried out ahead of the fixture.
It has also asked for records of UKFPU meetings and communications conducted as part of information gathering and decision making.
When he gave evidence to the committee, ACC O'Hara said Jewish community representatives had objected to the presence of Maccabi Tel Aviv fans.
The force later said it did not mean to imply members of the Jewish community had agreed with the exclusion of the Israeli supporters.
The Sunday Times reported that ACC O'Hara had since written a letter of apology to members of the Jewish community.
On Monday, Ruth Jacobs, chair of Birmingham and West Midlands Jewish Community, said she had been "horrified" at the suggestion and that confidence in the police had been undermined for a lot of people in the community.
Lord Mann, the government's independent adviser on antisemitism, previously told the committee he "struggled" with some "inaccurate" details given by the West Midlands force.
Some of the evidence "conflated" different things in regard to a fixture against Ajax in Amsterdam in November 2024, he said, giving one example of running street battles that did not occur on a match day.
Chief Constable Craig Guildford told the committee the decision to ban fans "wasn't taken lightly".
"We have taken a careful approach," Mr Guildford told MPs, adding: "We haven't made anything fit."
Latest grooming gang enquiry appointee has Burnham's back so she needs to go too.
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham has rejected criticism of the newly announced chair of the national grooming gang inquiry.

Some sexual abuse survivors have questioned the appointment of former England Children's Commissioner Baroness Anne Longfield due to her being a Labour peer. She has said, however, that she will give up the Labour whip in the House of Lords to lead the inquiry.

Labour mayor Burnham told BBC Radio Manchester: "The time has come to just let this inquiry do its business."

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood said the national inquiry would feature several local investigations, one of which will be in Oldham.


Burnham said: "Anne is a former children's commissioner and when you've done that role you speak out fearlessly and independently.

"You've got another peer, Baroness Casey, who's got affiliations to Labour - but no-one, I think, is accusing her of not having been independent when it comes to this crucial issue.

"So I think the time has come for everybody to not constantly read the politics into this, or indeed, use this issue for politics."

Announcing Baroness Longfield's appointment on Tuesday, Mahmood told the House of Commons she was determined to tackle the issue of grooming.

"We must root out this evil once and for all," she told MPs.

The inquiry was derailed earlier this year when four women resigned from its survivors' panel, and two leading candidates to chair the inquiry withdrew.

Baroness Longfield, who was appointed to the House of Lords in January, said she would resign the Labour whip to lead it.

Oldham Council has also welcomed her appointment.

The local authority also supported the fact that the town would be one of the first areas to be examined by the inquiry.

Council leader Arooj Shah said: "It is vital that survivors in Oldham finally have the chance to share their testimony in a way that is recognised, respected and heard.

"I have spoken directly with survivors, and they have been clear that they want answers about their own experiences and want their voices to shape national recommendations that will protect other children from harm.

"This inquiry must play a full role in helping to bring perpetrators to justice and in delivering accountability for the individuals and organisations that failed young people in the past.

"Oldham Council will fully support and cooperate with this work."

Councillor Brian Hobin, from the Failsworth Independents, has also expressed his support for the inquiry, having campaigned for one for the last six years.

The opposition councillor said: "I'm very pleased at this moment in time that the government have finally appointed a chair and we can move on to start the inquiry that we've been campaigning for.

"The background of the chair has got to be put into the background now.

"She's got to be allowed to take this inquiry forward.

"It's a very difficult job - a lot of people would have turned it down.

"We need to have faith in this person going forward now to lead the inquiry."
Speaking grooming gangs the Scottish justice secretary misrepresented information about the English enquiry. Nothing will happen because her own party and the Greens have confirmed they will protect her

The SNP’s Justice Secretary is fighting for her job following allegations she misled MSPs over holding a grooming gang inquiry in Scotland.
Angela Constance will face a vote of no confidence at Holyrood next week over claims she “brazenly misrepresented” a leading child abuse expert.
The Tories, Labour and the Liberal Democrats are to back the motion but the Greens said they would vote against, meaning it is not expected to pass.

Ms Constance rejected Tory calls in September for a separate grooming gangs inquiry, arguing in the Holyrood chamber that Prof Alexis Jay agreed with her stance.

But Prof Jay, who oversaw an inquiry into child sexual abuse in England and Wales, wrote to Ms Constance stating that the minister had misrepresented her position.
The professor asked the Justice Secretary to publicly clarify her stance, but Ms Constance did not return to the chamber to correct her earlier statement, prompting opposition allegations she had broken the ministerial code of conduct.
The code states: “It is of paramount importance that ministers give accurate and truthful information to the Parliament, correcting any inadvertent error at the earliest opportunity.”
Breaching the code is usually a resignation offence.

Challenging John Swinney at First Minister’s Questions, Scottish Tory leader Russell Findlay said: “The Justice Secretary brazenly misrepresented a leading child abuse expert in order to block a grooming gang inquiry in Scotland.
“The Justice Secretary misrepresented an expert, then denied doing so when asked by journalists.”He said Ms Constance has failed to correct Holyrood’s official record, with the Tory adding she has “not even apologised”.

Mr Findlay added: “Why isn’t it obvious to John Swinney that she has broken the ministerial code?”
Mr Swinney said the Justice Secretary “was making a general comment” on the situation when MSPs debated the Victims, Witnesses and Justice Reform Bill. The Tories had tabled an amendment to the legislation that would have instigated an inquiry.
The First Minister said his government is “taking forward the essential work which is necessary to make a judgment about whether a separate grooming gangs inquiry is required”.
But Scottish Labour leader Anas Sarwar accused Mr Swinney of “defending the indefensible” as he too urged him to sack his “untrustworthy and incompetent” Justice Secretary.
Mr Sarwar told MSPs: “It is clear that she misrepresented Professor Alexis Jay on an issue as serious as grooming gangs and misled this Parliament.
“She has had repeated opportunities to apologise and correct the record, but has failed to do so. It is now clear that she cannot stay in her position. She must resign, or John Swinney must sack her.”

But a Scottish Greens spokesman said: “Protecting children from sexual abuse and securing justice for victims and survivors is our priority, as it should be for every MSP.

“The vote does neither of those, so we will not back it. Survivors deserve so much better than this being turned into a party political issue.”
Emails released by the Scottish Government this week showed Prof Jay protested to Ms Constance over her use of a statement in which the academic said there should be no more grooming gangs inquiries as it would delay action.
Prof Jay told Ms Constance that she was referring to the situation south of the Border and it had “nothing to do” with Scotland “as could be interpreted from your statement”.
She said she believed that Scottish ministers “should urgently take steps to establish reliable data about the nature and extent of child sexual exploitation by organised networks”.
However, Ms Constance continued to insist publicly that she had accurately quoted Prof Jay.
More critique of the Sandie Peggie ruling.

“When I started as a trainee solicitor in 1982, the world was a very different place.”
So wrote Alexander “Sandy” Kemp in the introduction to his 2020 book How to Win Your Case — and how those words must have resonated with the now-experienced employment judge as he was pitched last week into the furious aftermath of the Sandie Peggie case.


When Kemp first entered the law, trans rights and single-sex spaces had not yet made their way into the general vocabulary. Artificial intelligence (AI), and its use as a reference tool within the justice system, did not exist. Back then, legal judgments did not undergo the social media-led and almost instant scrutiny they are subjected to now.
Courtesy of Peggie, the nurse who took her employer, NHS Fife, to an employment tribunal after being suspended for complaining about being forced to share a hospital changing room with a biological man who identified as a woman, there is now a fuller appreciation of how the legal world has moved on from Kemp’s early days in the profession.

Kemp, an employment judge for seven years, partly upheld Peggie’s case by finding that NHS Fife had harassed the nurse after she was suspended for objecting to Dr Beth Upton using a female-only hospital space. But he dismissed other allegations against the health board and the entirety of the case against Upton, also finding that it was “not inherently unlawful” for a biological man to use a women’s changing room.
It is for that interpretation of the law that Kemp now finds himself in very 21st-century hot water. The Supreme Court ruled in April that references to sex, men and women in equality law relate to biological sex at birth — and, therefore, biological men are not legally entitled to use female-only spaces such as changing rooms.
Peggie is appealing against Kemp’s judgment but the criticism of the judge does not end there. He has been urged by at least one legal expert to withdraw his findings and consider his position after it emerged that his ruling was “riddled” with errors and inaccuracies. Chief among those was the suggestion that he had used AI to research other cases that contributed to his 312-page ruling.
That became significant when it emerged that the wording of a direct quote used by Kemp from a previous case did not exist, prompting the Judicial Office to hurriedly remove that passage. Kemp’s document contained other errors.
The Judicial Office had said in response: “We cannot comment on any claim of a judge using AI in a judgment or on decisions in any individual case. We are not aware that any further amendments or updates will be made. Anything contesting any legal decision or points of law would be for the appeals process.”
Kemp was asked to make amends by Gary Francione, emeritus professor of law at Rutgers Law School in New Jersey, who said “being proactive and confessing clear errors would be more efficient and end up harming the judiciary less”.
For any judge, those would be mortifying words and perhaps especially so to a lawyer who until now has enjoyed a steady and successful rise up the judicial ranks. Two other lines from his book introduction may also come back to haunt him.


“Huge amounts of information are now available online,” he writes. He adds later that he used his “long experience of making mistakes” to help him compile the guidance in his book. Francione is among those who believe the latest mistake might curtail Kemp’s career as a judge.
Kemp is from northeastern Scotland and qualified as a solicitor in 1983 after leaving Aberdeen University with an honours degree. As an employment law and civil litigation specialist, he worked on big cases such as the 1986 Chinook helicopter disaster in the North Sea and the Piper Alpha oil rig explosion. He was destined to become a high-flyer, not only within the legal system. He is a qualified pilot who once owned his own plane.
Back on the ground, Kemp became an accredited specialist in employment law in 1994 and a solicitor advocate in 2011. He has appeared regularly in employment tribunals throughout UK, specialising in oil and gas industry cases, mainly for employers and has appeared in sheriff courts throughout Scotland in personal injury and commercial claims. Kemp has instructed employment and commercial cases in courts in England, taken part in employment tribunal appeals and appeared at the Inner House of the Court of Session, the Scottish Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court as solicitor advocate.
Along the way he became a member of the Employment Law Group, for which he regularly lectures, the European Employment Lawyers Association, the Society of Advocates and the Law Society of Scotland. With that track record, there was little doubt that he would eventually become a full-time employment judge, leaving his private partnership at Simpson & Marwick — where he headed the employment team — in Aberdeen in 2018 to sit on the bench. He quickly earned plaudits for his reasoned judgments.
A 2013 profile in an energy business magazine hinted at his motivation and ambition. When asked about what he still hoped to achieve, Kemp replied: “To influence employment-law legislation, which is so often badly drafted.”
The Independent gives voice to the terminally whiney making me so full of contempt for the author it's genuinely impressive.

Sorry Kemi, why should a young person like me take a job I’m overqualified for?​

Kemi Badenoch’s most recent divisive notion posits that young people reject jobs they feel are “beneath them”. To that, I’d like to ask this: why is it once again falling on my generation to compromise on their ambition?
Badenoch has taken the thousand-year-old position of calling the young lazy. Aristotle went for “high-minded”, Seneca opted for “idle”. An 1884 edition of The Times went for the slightly more verbose “the rising generation grows soft… they will not endure labour as their fathers did”. I’m sure all probably received a response from a truculent 25-year-old freelancer.
Now, before I say anything else, I’d like to highlight that I’ve often advocated for a conscription-esque policy that says all people should do at least one hospitality, retail or otherwise customer-facing role. Not quite for reasons Badenoch suggests, but rather to know exactly how it feels to be shouted at over tepid soup. Whilst Badenoch might once have worked at McDonald's, her CV also now contains Associate Director at Coutts and Digital Editor of The Spectator – hardly a mouthpiece of the proletariat.

Badenoch said back in 2024 that she “became working class” with the job at Maccies. Firstly, that is not how it works, and secondly, the minute she got a degree, she high-tailed out of there quicker than you can say “two Big Macs, please”. You can’t cherry-pick examples from your own life and say it gives you the authority to tell others how to live theirs, even if you are the leader of the opposition.
I ask, nay, beg, the Badenoch to put herself in the position of young people straight out of university. They are not saying that jobs are “beneath” them; they’re just desperate to feel as though the three-year debt they’ve accrued won’t be a complete waste.

Language is important and so linguistically positing that we’re a generation with a big superiority problem makes it a lot easier to justify benefit cuts than addressing the real problem. Entry-level jobs are under serious threat from AI. A lot of young people can’t even get their foot in the door. Since late 2022, we’ve seen a drop of around 30-33 per cent in job postings and an eight per cent decline in graduate hiring in the last year alone.

Finding work is tricky not only due to the contracting job market but in employers who find Gen Z workplace behaviours off-putting. Journalists and politicians alike gleefully besmirch “woke” requests for mental health days and work-life balance and then wonder why graduate employment rates are dropping. Fuelling culture wars adds to the problem.
Debates about young people “turning down jobs” overlook the fact that society itself created the idea that some work is “beneath” certain people. What looks like entitlement is often self-preservation. Badenoch is working through outdated hierarchies that no longer match today’s labour market, where a degree is less differentiating and low-wage jobs rarely provide stability.
The real issue isn’t that young people think they’re “too good” for certain jobs, but that society undervalues essential work and clings to contradictory expectations about what counts as respectable labour. I did almost a year of “big girl” job hunting, £60,000 of student debt glinting Damoclean above my head, and supported myself by working in a cafe. I didn’t choose to leave because I thought I was “above’ it, I just wanted the chance to apply the education I put myself so in the red for more directly.
So, Kemi: perhaps it’s time to look for solutions, rather than simply taking cheap swipes at those who are banging at the door.
 
Kemi Badenoch’s most recent divisive notion posits that young people reject jobs they feel are “beneath them”. To that, I’d like to ask this: why is it once again falling on my generation to compromise on their ambition?
Hah! Fuck, this makes me madder than all the rest (except maybe the magnetic hijabi shit). I have a BSc and MSc that's basically a step away from being a MEng (related to signals processing for sound and video). Know what I did when I got out of university? I fitted windows, because I knew there'd be no point sitting around and waiting for the magic job fairy to shit a perfect position into my lap, even though I was in a fairly high demand field. Money trumps everything. As it turned out, I ended up never even working in that field. Fascinating as it was, the sort of places I'd have ended up working would have been drowning in office politics and HR bullshittery (though it was still usually called personnel back then). Fitting windows and then later slinging wire was much more fun.

The real problem is immigrants driving down wages, but she'll never admit that. Her or Kemi.
 
Honestly a lot of this is down to Labour pushing every kid into university because the fear of saying "some kids are just meant to be carers or receptionists" was seen as disgusting, as well as massaging unemployment rates if kids were essentially forced to do A-Levels/college and then soft pushed into University. It pushes unemployment along an extra 5 years instead of seeing everyone dumped into the workplace at once. Funnily enough, the end of Labour's last term ended with the 2008 financial crash that basically saw the death of cushy post-grad jobs too.

Now a lot of kids who would have become carers or Spoons workers for life now have a Media Studies degree. They want their 9-5 office job with the ability to work from home occasionally, not being given 4 hour contracts and told at 7 on Sunday morning to get to Sports Direct to cover a shift. Worse than that, they might not even be able to GET that 4 hour contract because the franchise is now owned by a Paki and exclusively hires Pakis.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's better for the population to have a higher level of education than not, but as usual leftists don't tend to understand secondary effects and now we have a lot of very very pissed off educated workers who are hurtling to the right while also being called uneducated for being right wing.
 
Something I learned when a former neighbour tried to sue me after my cat walked on his car and allegedly scratched up the paint.
Unless your cat’s got a diamond manicure, it’s not scratching anyone’s paintwork. What a twat the neighbour is.
Some kids are going to be receptionists. We used to have a system where those jobs paid OK, and allowed you to live with dignity, and weren’t looked down on. There’s nothing wrong with being a carer - people need care, we should pay them better.
Only the top 15-25% max need an academic uni type education. Most jobs dont at all, and in that I include many very fancy and/or well paid jobs. A lot of jobs that require great skill and ability exist that don’t need university. We should have good technical training pathways, nurses don’t need university.
The problem is the way we treat people. Carers, everyone, should have well set out hours, and know what shifts the have. The sort of zero hours stuff should be really niche - students picking up odd shifts here and there, that kind of thing. It shouldn’t before adults trying to make ends meet. And it is allowed to be because of mass immigration and shit like the old tax credits, which allowed private enterprise to pay substandard wages which were topped up by the taxpayer.
The way the progressive left and the right alike have abandoned the dignity of the working man as a goal sickens me. They should all be forced to read ‘the ragged trousered philanthropists’ until they actually get it.
You should be able to have a carer and a receptionist doing 40 hours a week and able to have a modest life.
 
Honestly a lot of this is down to Labour pushing every kid into university because the fear of saying "some kids are just meant to be carers or receptionists" was seen as disgusting, as well as massaging unemployment rates if kids were essentially forced to do A-Levels/college and then soft pushed into University. It pushes unemployment along an extra 5 years instead of seeing everyone dumped into the workplace at once. Funnily enough, the end of Labour's last term ended with the 2008 financial crash that basically saw the death of cushy post-grad jobs too.

Now a lot of kids who would have become carers or Spoons workers for life now have a Media Studies degree. They want their 9-5 office job with the ability to work from home occasionally, not being given 4 hour contracts and told at 7 on Sunday morning to get to Sports Direct to cover a shift. Worse than that, they might not even be able to GET that 4 hour contract because the franchise is now owned by a Paki and exclusively hires Pakis.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's better for the population to have a higher level of education than not, but as usual leftists don't tend to understand secondary effects and now we have a lot of very very pissed off educated workers who are hurtling to the right while also being called uneducated for being right wing.
I’ve sperged about this before but it’s now almost impossible for an under 18 year old to get a job. By the I turned the age of 16 and started my A Levels I was glass collecting to earn extra money and would also do some labouring. That would be impossible now.

What worries me is if Starmer does this “young freedom of movement” thing that’s going to freeze a lot of youngsters out of entry level jobs as there’s plenty of multilingual graduates in Spain, Portugal, France, and Greece you can hire cheaper because their government are fucking basket cases and they send their young to north because there’s no jobs.

They’ll even take the hospitality sector jobs along with the Poles.

It should be blatantly obvious to everyone that neo-liberalism has failed, but every part of our establishment, the ones who used to cry about the brain drain effected developing nations, think if they close their eyes, wish really hard, and just keep importing people the the world will return to what is was pre-9/11.

We need an election now.
 
The real problem is immigrants driving down wages, but she'll never admit that. Her or Kemi.
But, but, but her school teachers all told her that immigrants were only of benefit to society.....They certainly didn't educate her to question the source of her information, weigh up if it was biased, or think if there was an alternative argument ( or show enough interest to research one ).
The "Independent" ( ironically named ) seems to only comprise articles written by "goodthinkers" ( Orwell, 1984 ) nowadays.
 
I'll openly admit I may be being retarded here but...where do all the people go? Where have they gone?

I noticed a population explosion in 2005, where there just seemed to be loads more people than usual, every where was more busy, the road had more traffic, and that continued for over a decade.
I was thinking today about my area that has gone from <5% non-white to 20%-25% non-white in two years, yet there aren't more people. My area hasn't become 20% busier, there aren't more cars on the road or more queues in shops, even this Christmas seem relatively subdued compared to the previous years.

So how can it be that 25% of the population is now brown, yet there seems to be the same amount, or fewer people. Where have they gone?

25% of the white population haven't moved, they can't afford to, not round here. No new houses have been built. Where have the people gone?
 
So how can it be that 25% of the population is now brown, yet there seems to be the same amount, or fewer people. Where have they gone?
Newbuild estates out in the cun'ree. They do exist, despite the current government incompetence. Lots of small plots and in-fill rather than big housing developments, which fall below the threshold for social housing requirements. You're seeing white flight in action. I know for sure there's more people here than 20 years ago, because the roads are busier than ever.
 
Newbuild estates out in the cun'ree. They do exist, despite the current government incompetence. Lots of small plots and in-fill rather than big housing developments, which fall below the threshold for social housing requirements. You're seeing white flight in action. I know for sure there's more people here than 20 years ago, because the roads are busier than ever.
I moved away from an area that was throwing up new build estates for the laugh, turning entire green fields to the horizon into mini-towns of 4,000 homes in the first phase, increasing to 10,000 in total.

I've seen the country get much, much busier, like you say, and more populated over the past 20 years. From 2020 to now, that increase isn't happening, or at least obvious in my area because which is strange considering the shift in demographics.

Maybe it is white flight, but I just can't see that many people leaving the area to go to a new county, seems as people here are very tribal about where they were born, even having arguments between towns if one is classed as born in the wrong town.

@Morethanabitfoolish may have been joking but dying does make me think.
 
Newbuild estates out in the cun'ree. They do exist, despite the current government incompetence. Lots of small plots and in-fill rather than big housing developments, which fall below the threshold for social housing requirements. You're seeing white flight in action. I know for sure there's more people here than 20 years ago, because the roads are busier than ever.
If they're built by Persimmon, watch out because they do not do the proper checks on the land.

There's an estate in Llanharan, South Wales, which was partially built on bog land - the land was drained when Powell Duffryn had its mining operations in the area but these ceased by the 60s/70s, thereafter it was returned to nature and over 20/30 years the water table level increased to the point that new drainage channels had to be installed north of what is now Llanharan Railway Station in order to prevent the South Wales Mainline from being undercut and to prevent flooding from beneath.

This estate now faces problems with water coming up through the toilets, flooding of the front gardens and as such the houses are unlivable and cannot be insured.

The site manager at the time said that the water would flow away from the site in a westerly direction.

When told 'but that's uphill' he said 'yes and?'

The reply he got from a concerned neighbour who has now had his property blighted by the development was classic:

'WATER DOESN'T FLOW UPHILL YOU FUCKING NUMPTY!'

Just remember, folks, these people went to University and got degrees - they is smarter than us...

Bit of news for you, Sulzeer (Sol) Campbell is once again complaining that black football managers are 'swimming upstream' in order to get jobs at football clubs and that 'this has to change'.

Well, Sol, a job in football is not guaranteed for any skin-colour - take Yeovil Town who are on their third manager of the season or the current York City manager who is likely to be sacked after Clitheroe beat them on the weekend.

It's a cut-throat job, Sol, and owners pay good money for results - if you can't get these results then out you go and being black won't save you from being sacked if you've lost 10-12 in a row.
 
I moved away from an area that was throwing up new build estates for the laugh, turning entire green fields to the horizon into mini-towns of 4,000 homes in the first phase, increasing to 10,000 in total.

I've seen the country get much, much busier, like you say, and more populated over the past 20 years. From 2020 to now, that increase isn't happening, or at least obvious in my area because which is strange considering the shift in demographics.
Where I grew up it was greenbelt for miles. Over the last decade the whole area has turned into those copy & paste new-builds. They are never not building new ones. It's always a new field they've found to build on when I drive by. I'm definitely feeling the population increase. Roundabout are way more busy than they were pre-pandemic.
 
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