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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Why the fuck is support for the Greens growing? Or is that the queerio idiots in a huff that the other parties no longer prioritise them? Greens are just Tories in wellies on an expensive pushbike. Look at the disaster Germany had under their Green Party. You’d have to be a complete retard to vote for a party who want to hyper tax everything outside of forcibly growing all your own food and only using power you can generate from your own farts.
Disgruntled labour voters who still want to vote left. The lib-dems have slumped a little, so some of them must have defected too. Do you think just because labour is total shit it means their voter-base have magically become right-wing? The Reform stagnation is a issue, but the recent rapes might make people aware again that yes, migration is still the problem.

The guy in charge is a former hypnotherapist, aka con artist. He knows how to manipulate people into believing utter bullshit, while convincing them that it was their idea, at an intimate level.
He's a tosser, but he knows how to appeal to that urban shitlib mindset. I'm guessing most of his votes are coming from metropolitan women based on what I've read of his policies.
 
Muslim vote shifts

The Labour Muslim Network has partnered with one of the UK's largest polling organisations - Survation - to conduct an exclusive poll of British Muslim voters in 2024.



Nearly 3 years on from the first and historic partnership between Survation and the Labour Muslim Network, we have come together once again to explore British Muslim voter opinion once again. Since 2021, the political landscape has changed significantly - both for the country and for Muslim communities across the UK. This report explores both new data on the current views and opinions of British Muslims and delves into the deeper reasons why shifts in opinion may have taken place. We hope that it can both enlighten our political discourse and shed light on key challenges we face ahead of a crucial general election.



The poll was conducted by Survation via telephone interview. A combination of landline and mobile data were called. Field work was conducted between 18th January and 3rd February 2024.



Results:



If there were a general election tomorrow, and there were candidates from all political parties standing in your constituency, for which party would you vote?




  • Labour: 43% (-43)
  • Conservative: 6% (-4)
  • Green: 10% (+9)
  • Liberal Democrat: 6% (+5)
  • SNP: 3% (+1)
  • Other: 4% (+4)
  • Undecided: 23%

*Changes shown are compared with 2019 general election vote share as per Survation poll in 2021.







When it comes to how I will vote at the next general election, the position of British political leaders on the Israel-Palestine conflict will be…



  • Very important: 70%
  • Somewhat important: 15%
  • Neither important nor unimportant: 6%
  • Not that important: 3%
  • Not at all important: 2%
  • Don’t know: 3%






Which, if any, of the following political parties do you most identify with?



  • Labour: 49% (-23)
  • Green: 9% (+9)
  • Conservative: 9% (-)
  • Liberal Democrat: 5% (+4)
  • SNP: 3% (+1)
  • Another party: 1% (-)
  • None: 16% (+7)
  • Don’t know: 6% (+4)

* Changes shown are compared with Survation poll as per 2021.

From 2023
According to the survey from Muslim Census, 17 per cent of Muslims in the UK would vote Green if a general election were held tomorrow. That compares to 10 per cent who say they would vote Lib Dem, 5 per cent who say they would vote Labour and less than 1 per cent who say they would vote Tory. 40 per cent of respondents said they would not vote, with 21 per cent saying they would vote for an independent candidate.

This is a huge shift in voting intention. According to Muslim Census, 71 per cent of Muslims in the UK voted Labour in the 2019 general election, with just 2 per cent backing the Greens.

The data organisation suggests that if the results of the survey were repeated in a general election, Labour would stand to lose 1.5 million votes, and have branded the shift in voting intension a “watershed moment in British Muslim voting history”.

From 2024

Labour has much work to do to retain support among Muslim voters, a senior party figure has said as a poll suggested the party had lost a portion of its Muslim voter base over its handling of the Israel-Gaza war.

Only 60% of British Muslims who backed Labour at the 2019 general election are willing to do so again at the next general election expected this year, the survey finds.


Survation, which conducted the poll for the Labour Muslim Network, spoke to 682 Muslims across Great Britain and found that the Green party has attracted 14% of British Muslims and 9% willing to back the Liberal Democrats. More than 20% of Muslim voters remain undecided, giving Labour some hope.


Muslim news. June 2025.

An estimated 134 Muslim candidates stood in England’s local elections on May 1, with 39 winning seats across 24 local authorities, The Muslim News can exclusively reveal. The polls, covering 1,641 council seats, included contests for county councils, unitary authorities, and one metropolitan borough.
Muslim representation spanned the political spectrum, though outcomes varied notably between parties.

Labour, including its Co-operative wing, fielded the most Muslim candidates—49 in total—of whom 12 were elected. They secured 29,639 votes, with an average vote share of 19.5 per cent.

The Conservatives ran 37 Muslim candidates, eight of whom were successful, gaining 24,663 votes at an average of 20.1 per cent.

The Liberal Democrats selected 16 Muslim candidates, half of whom won seats, collecting a combined 15,163 votes and averaging 20 per cent of the vote.
The Greens put forward seven Muslim candidates, with one elected, while Reform UK saw notable success: two of its three Muslim candidates were elected, achieving a total of 3,558 votes and an average vote share of 16.5 per cent.

Independent Muslim candidates fared particularly well. Of 12 standing, seven were elected, earning 12,215 votes with a 20 per cent average share. Smaller parties—including the Independent Oxford Alliance, Liberal Party, Socialist Labour, TUSC, the Workers Party of Britain, and Wycombe Independents—fielded 10 Muslim candidates. Only one succeeded, with these groups collectively polling 3,504 votes at a 17.9 per cent average.
bold underlined: how can a religion with one ideology be split across the whole political spectrum in an even fashion? They're diversifying their options, ready to chuck their weight behind the party most likely to win.

I know posters think I'm a mong who talks bollocks but here are the receipts. The muslim voting bloc is going to decide the next election.
 
Alternatively, the amount of leftists parties will split the Muslim vote hard enough to be completely irrelevent. It's why I'm hoping 'Your Party' manages to squeeze its way to election day with candiidates in multiple constituencies. The Muslim/Sixth form leftist vote being split between Labour/Greens/YP/Lib Dems could result in a beautiful situation where, like Reform last year they get a ton of votes and about 5 seats max.
 
Because people want something that’s not labour or the tories and they’re too dim to realise that the greens are Marxist pedos.
There's also a lot of their recruiters openly enabling people's violent fantasies about what to do to the fascists.
 
Bonnie Blue, the paedo van slag currently facing prison in Bali, has endorsed Reform. Either she'll do anything for a crumb of attention or (tinfoil hat moment) she's made a deal with Starmer that he'll fish her out of Indonesian jail if she talks about how much she like, totally loves Reform like and would suck Farage off like because of his economic policies like.
Football, concert, and festival, ticket prices expected to go up as govt forces them to pay for their own (extra?) security. Maybe if we didn't let anti-music anti-art anti-fun muzzies in they'd stop blowing shit up because its haram. whatever!
 
Alternatively, the amount of leftists parties will split the Muslim vote hard enough to be completely irrelevent. It's why I'm hoping 'Your Party' manages to squeeze its way to election day with candiidates in multiple constituencies. The Muslim/Sixth form leftist vote being split between Labour/Greens/YP/Lib Dems could result in a beautiful situation where, like Reform last year they get a ton of votes and about 5 seats max.
A thin split works for the muslims as a coalition of many lefty parties could form a coalition, leading to the muslims owning a majority.
Labour 'only won on fine margins' at the last election, not because white voter turn out was low, but because their biggest voting bloc, muslims, dropped by 40%. You add those votes back in and Labour win with a healty percentage. Not a landslide, but far from 'fine margins'.
 
I think the funniest part of the 'Reform are fascists' mantra is that they simply want the UK to go back to what it was like in 1995.

Meanwhile the defenders of fascism who are in government are looking at restricting freedom of speech even further (Islamophobia/Blasphemy laws/Online Safety Act) streamline the legal system to make it easier to lock up dissenters (Jury reform) delaying local elections that could cause them to lose power and using the entire government media machine to attempt to destroy Farage. There’s probably more I’m forgetting, but I love how everyone brings up that essay on what defines fascism and that’s why Republicans/Reform are evil nasty fascists yet it would presumably work on any party that has any strong policies.
 
Lol, I'm ready for fascism. And while yes, Labour are doing lots of annoying things that I don't like, such as all the things you mentioned ("bad fascism"), the flip side is that they're putting in all the laws, rules and infrastructure that Reform can use in a few years to do all the things I want them to do ("good fascism"). So, yeah let em get on with it, I can put up with it in the meantime. I just hope they enjoy a jury-less trial and prison (stalker child) in 2030 when Reform's nationwide network of emotion scanning facial recognition cameras detects that they feel sympathy for boat migrants.
 
Lol, I'm ready for fascism. And while yes, Labour are doing lots of annoying things that I don't like, such as all the things you mentioned ("bad fascism"), the flip side is that they're putting in all the laws, rules and infrastructure that Reform can use in a few years to do all the things I want them to do ("good fascism"). So, yeah let em get on with it, I can put up with it in the meantime. I just hope they enjoy a jury-less trial and prison (stalker child) in 2030 when Reform's nationwide network of emotion scanning facial recognition cameras detects that they feel sympathy for boat migrants.
I wish Nigel was nearly half as based enough to use any of these systems against his enemies but you know he wont.
 
I struggled to believe these people exist, but the tabletop game night at my local has frequently been interrupted by a particularly obese individual loudly reminding everyone he'll vote for the Greens while regurgitating Reddit talking points: Reform voters are all low IQ, fascism can only be defeated with bullets, the future is going to be primarily wind energy, etc. forcing us to change rooms. I made the mistake once of asking about the bird-killing machines and was told 'cars kill the same number of birds as wind turbines, so be quiet.'
"The only way the Greens are going to get in, is if they start giving votes by body weight."

(A :winner: for you if you say that next time to him).
 
Bonnie Blue, the paedo van slag currently facing prison in Bali, has endorsed Reform. Either she'll do anything for a crumb of attention or (tinfoil hat moment) she's made a deal with Starmer that he'll fish her out of Indonesian jail if she talks about how much she like, totally loves Reform like and would suck Farage off like because of his economic policies like.
Football, concert, and festival, ticket prices expected to go up as govt forces them to pay for their own (extra?) security. Maybe if we didn't let anti-music anti-art anti-fun muzzies in they'd stop blowing shit up because its haram. whatever!
She won't go to prison. They'll hold her in a deportation center for a few weeks before she gets thrown out.
 
You guys needed to get a reform gov last election so you could figure out they were traitors and look elsewhere, you are quite cooked now
I'm mostly banking on the MPs themselves being better than the leadership. Reform MPs pushed for a burqa ban when Farage never brought it up before and now it's just quietly dormant as a maybe, maybe not, policy. It got the Paki-doner demoted to somewhere in Kent for trying to push back against them so if there's enough MPs on board with a particular policy then they can just brute force it. It happened with the Tories and Brexit, and it happened with Labour and the recent attempt at introducing cuts. It can go either way, good or bad, but I'm hoping on NORF FC candidates just ideologically dominating the party after an election.

Since Reform are known as either the "Anti-immigrant party" or "CivNat replacement Tories", the only people seeking to join them at a local level are doing so based on those two identities that have been fostered. The hope is we get more covert Lowes and less Tices, essentially. I expect we'll see a lot of brown MPs run for seats in predominantly brown areas but given I don't expect even Reform think they're going to win those seats, it could just as easily be a tactic to ward off racism accusations or help divide the Muslim vote further in those areas. If you can help make it harder for leftist parties to gain a solid bloc then it just means a better outcome for the right.

There's also the possibility of the rhetoric getting harder and harder the further along we go, like it already has been. It just takes politicians annoyingly long to assess the change in public sentiment before they start changing their tone, and it also takes successful precedent elsewhere before they follow suit, It took Trump 8 years (4 in office, 4 out) to take an approach to immigration that is actually making his base happy. Farage might need a similar amount of time in the oven, or to start feeling the heat from the Tories rising in the polls to propose something even harder.
Why the fuck is support for the Greens growing? Or is that the queerio idiots in a huff that the other parties no longer prioritise them? Greens are just Tories in wellies on an expensive pushbike. Look at the disaster Germany had under their Green Party. You’d have to be a complete retard to vote for a party who want to hyper tax everything outside of forcibly growing all your own food and only using power you can generate from your own farts.
Allowing 16+ to vote probably helped to boost Green numbers. I can't imagine their support is higher outside of the main urban hubs or university cities like London, Oxford, or Glasgow. I can only imagine it's hurting Labour and the Lib Dems moreso than Reform or the Tories given the former's fall in the polls is correlating with the rise of the Tories and Greens. Be interesting to see if this flips SNP seats in Scotland.
I know posters think I'm a mong who talks bollocks but here are the receipts. The muslim voting bloc is going to decide the next election.
I don't think you're talking out your ass (I've seen your sentiment on gambling echoed elsewhere, with younger men aligning with the sentiment it's harmful than older men), but like a certain other poster before you, I think the only places Muslims really affect are those who are already deep red.
2021 Census map of Muslim concentrations in England & Wales
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2024 election results maps.
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2025 local elections map + results.
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I think the Muslims are going to get pulled in a million different directions unsure of who and what to vote for based on what's available. This mostly poses a threat to parties who regard their vote as a sure thing but now don't have certainty on it. Red seats could flip to green, or orange, or black, as @Tom Nook's Gloryhole said.

If you put the next election in their hands you've pretty much written the country off already, which is easy to do when you don't (or don't plan to) live here.
 
The Greens are seeing a slight upturn in Wales because of the following:

* Plaid nuked themselves by arse-kissing Drakeford's Budget.

* Plaid have also parachuted Gumbo Umbongo and co. into Welsh seats for the 2026 Senedd Election, removing traditional white working class nationalists from being able to stand (especially men).

* The Lib Dems are still tainted by the Kirsty Williams 'abuse' scandal whereby she said she had 'no issues with any children, including her own, learning about oral sex at the age of four.'

* Labour and Tories are a wasted vote.

* There needs to be an opposition to Reform UK - though I am very much Team Reform UK, I also want a good opposition. I think a Libs-Green pact is now more likely than Your Party-Green as Corbyn's party has been ruined by apparatchiks.

If you wholly opposed Nigel Farage, but knew that the nationalists of Plaid and SNP would get into bed with Labour, then what is your option? Liberals and Greens want pretty much the same thing, but unless both pact up they will split the left's vote in each constituency. The only other option is an Independent candidate who, unless enough people choose to back him/her, won't get near Westminster and would be a wasted vote.

At the last GE, the choices I had were:

Labour, Tories, Reform UK, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dems, Greens or an Independent candidate.

Next time, it'll be:

Reform UK, Plaid Cymru, Lib Dems-Greens (if pacted) or an Independent candidate.

Only one option for me, two or possibly three to those who won't vote for Nigel.

Some people will never vote for Nigel, no matter what, and that is their right and they should have an option or two available. It also means no splitting of the vote on the right and in seats like mine almost guarantees that the seat will turn turquoise.
 
You know, I would really like a genuine ecological bent to a decent political party.
If you zap us back to 1995, and you chain the entire boardrooms of the water companies under their worst outfalls until they stop discharging sewage, and you keep things genuinely clean, and you stop building deano boxes on ancient woodlands, I’ll vote for you.
Protect our beautiful landscapes, water air and soil, and I’m a voter.
But there’s none of that. It’s just globohomo net zero and weird trannies, so no vote from me
 
Some afternoon news?


Carmarthen School locked down after 'threats to kill' pupil as police make arrest




What you need to know about 'mutant' flu hitting the UK:



(At least I now know what a Subclade K is)


* Balaclava-clad protesters pelt councillors with eggs while debating 'sanctuary for asylum seekers'

* Politics LIVE: Nigel Farage unveils ex-Tory MP Ben Bradley as Reform UK's cost-cutting tsar as defection deluge continues

* Man arrested after Koran 'desecrated' in hospital faith room

* The EU signs its own death warrant as Donald Trump fights for Elon Musk with 17.4 million Britons - Lee Cohen

* POLL: Should Britain scrap the Falklands-era weapons ban? YOU DECIDE

* Killjoy Portsmouth council threatens to FINE residents over front door Christmas wreaths

* Sentencing of disgraced referee David Coote over indecent child images delayed until January

* Joey Barton to appeal conviction over 'offensive' social media posts in free speech battle

* 'We've had enough!' Birmingham bin strikers demand council action as protest passes nine months

* NHS-backed puberty blocker trial faces High Court challenge amid fears ‘unethical’ study will put hundreds of children at risk

* Keir Starmer faces fresh attack from leadership rival Andy Burnham just hours after PM received '12 month warning'

* Ed Miliband's net zero plans could 'cost British households £500 each year'

* WATCH: Ex-Tory MP blasts Left-wing figures for 'denying the facts' amid grooming gang inquiry row
 
You know, I would really like a genuine ecological bent to a decent political party.
If you zap us back to 1995, and you chain the entire boardrooms of the water companies under their worst outfalls until they stop discharging sewage, and you keep things genuinely clean, and you stop building deano boxes on ancient woodlands, I’ll vote for you.
Protect our beautiful landscapes, water air and soil, and I’m a voter.
But there’s none of that. It’s just globohomo net zero and weird trannies, so no vote from me
The ecological movement has gone the same way as feminism - co-opted by ever tinier niche interests until they found the one they could get publicity and funding for, and now everything is about those niche interests and everything else is either ignored or outright pilloried.

Politics is living in cloud cuckoo land and not the reality of the U.K.

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* Ed Miliband's net zero plans could 'cost British households £500 each year'
I think it’ll cost double that, at least, once everything is added up. Gas is cheaper than electric, but we’re supposed to stop using gas and use electric for everything. But we’re not supposed to drill our own gas & oil any more cos naughty pollution, so we’ll buy it at extortionate prices from the Norwegians or Yanks, while hoping to fuck the wind blows tomorrow. Meanwhile, customers pay premiums to keep the wind farms switched off when it’s too windy and on when there’s no wind, as well as whatever other bullshit premiums will be introduced for using dirty polluting evil electricity.

The green power and net zero stuff is only happening because someone somewhere is making a fat profit from it. They’d tell you shitting in your hands and clapping is good for the environment if it meant a profit for them.
 
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