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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Even if he did, the response from Labour would be 'MUH WUSSIA!'
Timely, from the Daily Mail:

Former Reform leader in Wales is jailed for 10 years for accepting pro-Russia bribes [Link] [Archive]

Russia is seeking to bribe Britain’s MPs to undermine our democracy, police warned today as the former head of the Reform UK party in Wales was jailed for taking cash to back Putin’s allies.

Nathan Gill was jailed for over 10 years today after accepting tens of thousands of pounds in bribes to give speeches, interviews and arrange events supporting Russian activity in Ukraine.
The former leader of the Reform UK party in Wales was told to 'recruit' other British MPs and Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) to attend pro-Russia events, including ‘a leading figure in the Brexit Party’, which was headed by Nigel Farage at the time.
The 52-year-old was promised he would be ‘rewarded’ with a ‘sack of paper gifts’ thought to contain money, if he would bring his ‘friends’ in the Brexit Party, which is now known as Reform UK.
Now it can be revealed that four other pro-Brexit MEPs are under investigation in connection with the scandal.
Scotland Yard confirmed yesterday that Mr Farage is not one of the politicians being investigated and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by the Reform leader.
As Gill was sentenced today, Head of Scotland Yard’s Counter Terrorism Command Dominic Murphy warned that Moscow’s attempts to influence British politics are ‘widespread’.
He suggested Russia is seeking to bribe and influence MPs to subvert our democracy saying: ‘This is the first type of case we've seen like this but what we've seen in this case does raise questions.
‘I think we're beginning to see a course of conduct in those states that wish to do us harm, about their influence over society, politicians and politics more broadly.’
In an unprecedented prosecution, Gill pocketed around £5,000 a time a time to read out parliamentary speeches urging Ukraine to negotiate with Moscow and seek peace after Russia invaded Crimea and sent paramilitary units into the Donbas region.
He delivered scripted media statements criticising Ukraine leader President Zelensky and supporting Ukrainian politician, Viktor Medvedchuk, a personal friend of President Putin.
Medvedchuk, who was later accused of treason in Ukraine and attempting to loot national resources, is considered so close to Putin that the Russian leader is the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter.
Gill was paid thousands to give TV interviews in favour of the key Putin ally and to make speeches in the European Parliament, where he was an MEP for the UK Independence Party (UKIP) from 2014 to 2020.
The father-of-five was the leader of UKIP in Wales from 2014 to 2016 before it became Reform UK Wales in 2021.
The practicing Mormon, who lives on the island of Anglesey with his family, represented North Wales in the National Assembly, now the Welsh Parliament, between 2016 and 2017
The Old Bailey heard today that Gill ‘offers no excuse for his venal compromise’ after he accepted at least £30,000 in bribes from Oleg Voloshyn, a former Ukrainian politician to give pro-Russian statements.
WhatsApp messages revealed that Gill would deliver word-for-word scripted statements provided by Voloshyn to the European Parliament and in interviews to a pro-Russian TV station backed by Medvedchuk.
Police later found images on Instagram of Gill being interviewed by Voloshyn's wife, Nadia Sass, who worked for the same TV station, days after arranging an event for Medvedchuk in the European Parliament.
Gill also made appearances on the Russian state broadcaster RT in 2016 and 2017, criticising the EU’s sanctions imposed on Russia for its war against Ukraine.
At the time, he was not the only UKIP member to do so, as Mr Farage was also making appearances on the RT channel around the same time criticising the EU and NATO.
Prosecutors did not name the other MEPs Gill attempted to recruit, but he travelled to Kiev in 2018 with Jonathan Arnott and David Coburn, two other Brexit Party MEPs who have stated they were on a ‘fact finding trip’ to meet with journalists.
They took part in a TV programme hosted by Ms Sass as part of a campaign opposing Russian sanctions, but there is no suggestion that they took bribes for their participation.
The trip was funded by an organisation run by Janusz Niedzwiecki, a Polish lobbyist arrested in 2021 and charged with ‘espionage for the secret services of the Russian Federation.’
Following a tip-off, police raided Gill’s home in September 2021, discovering bundles of cash including euros and US dollars.
Detectives discovered Gill was already on his way to Russia and stopped him at Manchester Airport where they seized his mobile phone which revealed scores of messages about payments for speeches.
Gill later admitted eight counts of bribery between 2018 and 2019.
Today he was sentenced to 10 and-a-half years in prison.
Mrs Justice Cheema-Grubb said Gill had lost his ‘moral compass’ and betrayed the electorate after he accepted payments to enlist MEPs representing the North East, South West and North West of England to give interviews to pro-Russian TV stations.
The judge told Gill: ‘The revelation of your actions has a broad and deleterious effect on public confidence and trust in democratic institutions of importance to many dozens of millions of people.’
She added: ‘Whether or not you believe any of what you said, allowing money to corrupt you moral compass amounts to a grave betrayal of trust placed on you by the electorate.'
After the case, Commander Murphy said: ‘This sentencing should send a clear message that any efforts by foreign powers to bribe people in the UK in elected and influential positions will not be tolerated. It also shows that there are grave and severe consequences for anyone here who engages with that sort of activity.
‘Instead of looking after the interests of his constituents and the interests of the UK, Gill was more concerned about making money for himself by peddling views and opinions that were in support of the Russian state’s activities in Ukraine.’
After the sentencing, Defence Minister Al Carns called for Reform to launch an investigation.
‘Wherever we see Russian influence in UK politics, it's got to be weeded out,’ he said.
‘And I genuinely believe that we need Reform to conduct a full investigation to winkle out, weed out any Russian influence whatsoever in the party.’
Security minister Dan Jarvis said: ‘Nathan Gill used his privileged position in public office to advance the malign interests of Russia over those of the UK in exchange for money - that is a betrayal of our country, our people, and our national security.’
Bethan David, Head of Counter Terrorism for the Crown Prosecution Service, added: ‘This case strikes at the heart of democratic integrity. Accepting bribes from foreign nationals to influence parliamentary proceedings undermines public trust and the proper functioning of government.
‘Nathan Gill has admitted that he knew what he was doing was wrong, and his activities only ended because of the UK’s departure from the European Union, removing him from a position of use for those who sought to influence him.
‘Public office is a position of trust, and his actions represent a serious breach of that trust, his sentencing today shows the seriousness of that breach.’
 
Muslims fund two Uk parties; Labour and Reform.
China is building a mega-embassy and has been caught spying.
Jewish groups hold considerable sway over policies.
American and European banks removed one of our PMs.
American social issues infect our parliament (trans and blm).

But it's Russia, with no Russian-born MPs or councillors, no influence on our politics and who fund none of our parties that are a threat to our democracy.

I'm starting to think that the red scare is a load of old bullshit.
 
- Labour leaks suggest the Chief Whip Reynolds told MPs 'doesn't want the job just before the budget', however he has denied these claims.
- The Defence Sec is under fire for 1,500 of missing council tax due to an 'admin error', Westminster Council failed to classify his second home correctly even after he listed it as such and he paid the tax in full; Bham council just updated how you pay/do council tax online and it's a fucking nightmare to even find the right page (don't get me started) so this is a believable mistake imho, but it is funny to see constant tax fuckups
- Zarah Sultana is being courted by Polanski for the Greens (maybe he can use his magic hypnosis to make the vote share bigger)
- Afghan man pleads guilty to rape of 12 year old in Nuneaton
- sense of doom still lingers before the budget
 
PSa Fill your cars up before the budget. Stock up on tins, rice, long-life items, enough to get you through Christmas and the new year.

The budget won't be end-times bad, but the companies are chomping at the bit to hike their prices again and "budget has caused price rises" is a perfect excuse.
 
PSa Fill your cars up before the budget. Stock up on tins, rice, long-life items, enough to get you through Christmas and the new year.

The budget won't be end-times bad, but the companies are chomping at the bit to hike their prices again and "budget has caused price rises" is a perfect excuse.
As someone who accidentally turned into a prepper during covid I feel quite smug.
 
That's the point @Swerf'n'Terf - Labour are quite happy to point out the flaws in other parties but not their own.

Other countries have been involved with past Governments here, yet nobody who has 'leaked' or who was 'bought out' has faced justice.

Nathan's sentence is a fair and accurate one, he did wrong and he's been punished for it - just a shame that those who've leaked for China etc. aren't also facing similar sentences.

Some GB News bits:

* Police launch manhunt after man shot and stabbed on his own driveway in horror attack in Huddersfield

* BBC chief admits licence fee is 'doomed' after broadcaster dealt £1billion hammerblow

* Labour embroiled in ANOTHER housing row after Defence Secretary John Healey failed to pay council tax on flat

* Keir Starmer faces down plotters and confirms he wants to be Prime Minister until 2034 (he's got more chance until 20:34)

* Stop wasting time by plotting coup, Sir Keir Starmer tells critics as he vows to 'strain every sinew' to alleviate cost of living crisis

* Two London councillors who stood in Bangladesh election fail to win nominations

* Labour support continues to fall as Reform steals triple by-election victory across Britain (the Nathan Gill sentencing hasn't dented the rise in support)

However, happier news for @Otterly as Radiohead took to the stage in London last night, 99 months since their last outing...




A few BBC stories:


I started taking ketamine partying in Ibiza - it made me incontinent




British cars stolen and smuggled abroad within 24 hours




Special needs school pupils at home due to mouldy classrooms


 
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Muslims fund two Uk parties; Labour and Reform.
China is building a mega-embassy and has been caught spying.
Jewish groups hold considerable sway over policies.
American and European banks removed one of our PMs.
American social issues infect our parliament (trans and blm).

But it's Russia, with no Russian-born MPs or councillors, no influence on our politics and who fund none of our parties that are a threat to our democracy.

I'm starting to think that the red scare is a load of old bullshit.
>Labour are stuck imitating Blair, because Labour's biggest success was Blair's election
>Conservatives are stuck imitating Thatcher, because Conservative's biggest success was Thatcher's election
I think a bunch of countries are pursuing their nation's respective golden ages through trying to copy the exact conditions the nation had during that period rather than trying to do something to better suit the present day. If you look into what prompted the cold war 2.0, it's unbelievable. (One of their own cities albeit in an autonomous region was taken over violently by Islamic extremists who then carried out incursions into surrounding areas. Them fighting back got them ostracised.)

If they wanted to repeat the Cold War, China was more viable, but unlike Russia, too many companies had already moved their manufacturing there and intertwined them with our economy after the collapse of the Soviet Union to make a switch. It took less than 2 years for the imitation Cold War to start again and on incredibly flimsy pretences, perhaps because they needed an enemy. There's too much mixed messaging for that transition to stick, since we can't be "cosmopolitan globalist" in a new era of "peace and prosperity" when we're not prosperous, not really at peace internally, and yet insist upon this foreign power having a sort of intrinsic evil tethered to it. It's really hard to focus on why a foreign country should be our biggest concern when most people are concerned about the people walking their streets.

Since Russia and the Commies were the "big bad" for 50 years following the end of WW2, there was a sort of collective bad guy for the West to focus on which helped divert people's domestic ire abroad. If there was anything domestic worth getting pissed off at, it was considered lesser when a far more dangerous foe lingered at our doorstep. Humanity is naturally tribal, so having some sort of enemy for the tribe to be mad at is probably a necessity for cohesion - there's enough precedent throughout history and the present to support it. Why we're in a pickle now is that we're not in an "enemy at the gates" situation, because the enemy is on our side of the gate and the people in charge don't want to force them out on top of the fact we made enemies out of each other too.

We had belligerence with our neighbours and less democratised government for over one thousand years, and our current state of conciliation and universal suffrage has effectively been in place for less than 100-200, so we're living an aberration of the human condition. It explains our propensity for putting our stock in single leaders and our need to find an "us vs them" situation, even if forced to do so with our own "tribe".

For example, the idealism of democracy is that the parties debate and decide what's best - thesis, antithesis, then synthesis - some shit like that. But in lieu of actual cooperation for a common goal, the parties view each other as enemies to topple, which then results in them harming the country since the parties are meant to be an extension of the people's will. I hate to cite the Americans, but George Washington opposed the existence of political parties for this reason, and argued that they were only viable in a situation where the parties could conflict with the monarch instead of each other.
" However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. "
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

It is important, likewise, that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administration, to confine themselves within their respective constitutional spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one, and thus to create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism. A just estimate of that love of power, and proneness to abuse it, which predominates in the human heart, is sufficient to satisfy us of the truth of this position. The necessity of reciprocal checks in the exercise of political power, by dividing and distributing it into different depositaries, and constituting each the guardian of the public weal against invasions by the others, has been evinced by experiments ancient and modern; some of them in our country and under our own eyes. To preserve them must be as necessary as to institute them. If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.

Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
Another consideration is that morality got democratised too. The moral foundation of the "tribe" following the advent of Neoliberalism/Neoconservatism, so that "morality" which is necessity of democracy, got thrown out as a necessity of being in power because that, too, was left up to the people. Noblesse oblige, The Mandate of Heaven, Chivalry, Liberalism, etcetera - foundations on which leaders were obliged to act according to certain standards was effectively tossed in the bin for whims instead. It left the only purpose of government to: (1) debate the economy (2) Attack the other party. Since (1) requires actual expertise but said expertise isn't required to get into office, that meant the only viable option for many politicians is (2), which in turn means attacking the people by proxy. The country has been, through the proxy of political parties and the excise of objective morality from government, in a state of civil war for 30+ years with most people, even those in charge, unaware there's even one taking place.

To fix this you'd need a shared basis of morality at a minimum to operate on, might mean we need Jesus but that's lacking short-term viability. The damage of the current system could maybe be mitigated via the creation of a constitution, an obligate for politicians to abide by dictated in the most coherent and precise wording imaginable, but we've seen how well that works in the USA.

Instead we would need to construct a Greggs into the Commons to remind politicians what values they're upholding. Having it staffed by the frontbench would help to keep them humble whilst also giving them decent, honest work experience. Give them some empathy for the common man. The savoury waft of pastry and sausage will act as a natural deterrent to Muslims, and the steak bakes will deter the Hindus. The distraction of the golden glow of the pastry will also take their minds off of being evil cunts. The gold of money and bribes constantly affixed in their minds will instead be replaced with that of primo pasty. It's honestly the best fix I could come up with.
 
Conservatives are stuck imitating Thatcher
They’ve been weird paternalists since May was PM. Although Cameron was only slightly better than May. They are very much neo-liberal statists now and Thatcher would be rolling in her grave, if they didn’t have to cremate her to stop weirdo leftists from having a grave to desecrate.
 
They’ve been weird paternalists since May was PM. Although Cameron was only slightly better than May. They are very much neo-liberal statists now and Thatcher would be rolling in her grave, if they didn’t have to cremate her to stop weirdo leftists from having a grave to desecrate.
They're basically LARPing as what they imagine the ideal Conservative politician to be - spouting shit about free market, empty platitudes
I've harped on about it in other threads but "Neoconservatism" basically supports anything done by neoliberals so long as the neolibs won an election to solidify their bullshit, because if they won on the premise of being pro-immigrant, that must mean the population by and large supports immigration. That's how the ideology operates. They call it more representative, I call it lazy.

You're right in that they're essentially the same. The only difference is platitudes (Lefty vs Righty) and it's meant to be the neocon's job to un-do the neolib policies if they're "unpopular" and vice versa, so Blair opening the floodgates and Labour winning the subsequent election means Blair's policies are good actually and what the people want. They didn't just delegate responsibilities to the civil service, they've delegated policy decisions to the opposing party and NGOs.
 
They’ve been weird paternalists since May was PM. Although Cameron was only slightly better than May. They are very much neo-liberal statists now and Thatcher would be rolling in her grave, if they didn’t have to cremate her to stop weirdo leftists from having a grave to desecrate.
They know that they have nothing to offer the modern world and society which has markedly changed since Thatcher's day and even Cameron's day.

You cannot go back to the past and say 'this worked then, it'll still work now' - nope, not going to happen.

That's why SJW's are stuck in their eternal doom loop of calling everybody who disagrees with them 'Hitler' - it's been about 15 years, change the record...

The times that we are in are pretty much unique in the modern age - the worst decade since the end of WW2, a pandemic and now a Government openly hostile towards the people it purports to serve.

This is why the old ways will not work and radical change is needed - option one being Reform UK and option two being a possible Lib Dems-Greens-everybody else but Labour and Tories coalition.
 
Even if he did, the response from Labour would be 'MUH WUSSIA!'
Nathan's sentence is a fair and accurate one, he did wrong and he's been punished for it - just a shame that those who've leaked for China etc. aren't also facing similar sentences.
The biggest question the Nathan Gill scandal begs, I think, is not so much the extent to which a significant number of people adjacent to Reform UK have any genuine political sympathies with Russia, but rather, the extent to which their willingness to accept financial donations of dubious origin renders the party vulnerable to Russian influence.

We've seen just recently another story brake about the relationship between one of Reform's biggest financial donors and a cryptocurrency which is being investigated for providing money-laundering services to the Russian state, and whatever the specifics of moral culpability may be, I wouldn't say it's a good look.

Farage himself certainly doesn't have a good track record when it comes to using the position of an elected office to personally benefit himself, whether via expenses, second jobs, or accepting financial donations, both while he was an MEP, and now as the current MP for Clacton.

Fun fact: one of Farage's second jobs is to post random clips on Cameo in exchange for money (he apparently charges $95 for individuals, and £5000 for businesses).

Here's one such example of Nigel Farage, MP, diligently serving his constituents in Clacton-on-Sea:
 
This is why the old ways will not work and radical change is needed - option one being Reform UK and option two being a possible Lib Dems-Greens-everybody else but Labour and Tories coalition.
Option 2 has as much hopium as Sinn Fein actually taking their seats in parliament.

And I don't see Reform keeping their promise of changing the voting system once they get enough seats to replace one of the two main parties. The fact that they are trying to do another referendum for a different voting system and I have not heard anything from them in regards to what voting system they want to implement is making me already question what they are trying to pull.

I don't trust any politician or party and that's a golden rule I've kept for years.

Here's one such example of Nigel Farage, MP, diligently serving his constituents in Clacton-on-Sea:
The best one is him just straight up saying "Up the RA!".
 
Blair opening the floodgates and Labour winning the subsequent election means Blair's policies are good actually and what the people want. They didn't just delegate responsibilities to the civil service, they've delegated policy decisions to the opposing party and NGOs.
I am fairly sure I remember an interview with thatcher when she stated that she considered Blair one of her successes ‘because we’d changed the opposition.’
In such a light, I think we have nobody at all to vote for. The tories made everything worse and were in for 14 years, they were crap. The current Labour lot are so much worse it’s beyond belief, but let’s not pretend the previous tories were great either because they weren’t. There’s nobody to vote for right now who is going to make things better.
 
Cameron and Osborne pulled us out of a recession quicker than any other Eurozone country, our economy began to flourish because of their austerity measures. It wasn't pretty and it may be hard to praise someone like Cameron, but he did what the country needed of him.
After him the party fell apart.

Compared to today, food was 50% cheaper under harsh austerity measures following the 'worst recession since the wall street crash'.
It only took 10 years to turn this country from re-emerging economic powerhouse to financial decimation.
 
Cameron and Osborne pulled us out of a recession quicker than any other Eurozone country, our economy began to flourish because of their austerity measures. It wasn't pretty and it may be hard to praise someone like Cameron, but he did what the country needed of him.
After him the party fell apart.

Compared to today, food was 50% cheaper under harsh austerity measures following the 'worst recession since the wall street crash'.
It only took 10 years to turn this country from re-emerging economic powerhouse to financial decimation.
I didn’t know a single person who had a hard time under Osborne and Cameron, even dole filth did well for themselves.

In the meantime, I’m earning the most I’ve ever earned in my life and can hardly afford to go out any more.

Surely something has to break soon?
 
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