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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

During the summer riots you could see them constantly getting out flanked in city centres as all the main numbers were protecting mosques. The police were really lucky that people weren’t out for their blood but it’s weird how everyone forgot that the police lost control of large parts of the country.

It was far worse than that, they were getting outflanked despite having as much backup from regional areas as they physically could. A little bird told me that they'd reduced their local county police force to less than 50 frontline officers during those days as everyone else had been stationed down the country.

Had a Southport 2 happened in Durham or Blackpool while the police were pooling every resource into London, Manchester or Liverpool etc. then that'd have been it for everything.

 

[Duane Dibbley]

With the latest riots in Ireland, this could have the potential to disrupt their federal election on Friday.

They're saying that the riots were organised online.They're not blaming the rapist, but the people who are noooooticing on social media.

We must ban VPNs to protect our democracy because the people have had enough and we need to be able to feed them bullshit. - Some slimy MP

I will stop at nothing to expose vile grooming gang rapists. It's time for the truth - Shabana Mahmood (how long until she cocks up or is removed?)

And those vile grooming gangs will be 10 white dudes in a CP sharing pedo-ring that have been known about for a decade and are saved for a moment like this.

They will not turn on the muslim voting bloc

Surprised to read that BBC news have actually submitted a request to name Harvey Willgoose's murderer during sentencing (when even the prosecution has remained neutral on it).

The name will be released because the attacker will be found out to be ackshually 19 years old, but it will be kept hush hush.

During the summer riots you could see them constantly getting out flanked in city centres as all the main numbers were protecting mosques.

Same happened in the London/Manchester riots about 15-20 years ago, when the chavs burned loads of shit down. It spread because meckenzie and devvo realised theres 100 chavs and 10 police.

Ahead of the protest, the local authorities also shut down all public transport, (rush hour trams and buses - fuck you if you just want to get home from work) going near the area, in an effort to prevent any gathering.

This is a clever psy-op tactic. If you inconvenience the common man because of [politically unpopular event] happening, it's easy to get the normie mind to believe "I wish these rioters would knock it off, I have work to get to". Then the movement becomes unpopular in the minds of the people who would, with a push, be side-by-side with the rioters.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Same happened in the London/Manchester riots about 15-20 years ago, when the chavs burned loads of shit down. It spread because meckenzie and devvo realised theres 100 chavs and 10 police.

There has been this general realisation that, coordinated on the Internet, you can pretty much do whatever you want with a group of like 20+ people. How many videos have you seen of a group of kids just walking into Greggs, taking the food off the shelves and walking straight out?

The high trust society is over. There's a story of the founder of Singapore, Lee Kuan Yew, seeing a stack of newspapers in London with a box next to it completely unattended. People would take a newspaper and leave the proper money with no coercion, no penalty if they didn't. They did it because it was the right and proper thing to do. He found it inspiring. He wanted to make Singapore that kind of country.

Instead, we're going down a path where we won't have supermarkets with products on shelves. It's all going to be behind lock and key. This has already happened in lots of America and even parts of this country. We're all going to miss it when it's gone. Those kinds of societies take a long time to come about, and as we've seen they can be ruined in just one generation.

 

[teriyakiburns]

The police were really lucky that people weren’t out for their blood but it’s weird how everyone forgot that the police lost control of large parts of the country.

Compliant media made sure to portray it as safely contained, which is then the narrative that gets established. The fact is, multiple cities were functionally lawless for multiple hours and it was only a lack of direction and insufficient motivation that ended it. A few powerful voices marshalling people is all it'll take, but they've not turned up yet.

This has already happened in lots of America and even parts of this country. We're all going to miss it when it's gone. Those kinds of societies take a long time to come about, and as we've seen they can be ruined in just one generation.

Long term I expect we'll end up with what they have in large parts of south america, where there's armed guards on the doors of anything bigger than a food stand, regardless of legality.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Update to that child murderer being named: if you guessed "Mohammed Umar Khan", well done.

I would ask you to come up and collect your prize, but unfortunately this one was so predictable we couldn't afford to give out so many prizes.

 

[FedPostalService]

I miss riot kino, bros We need live streams of it all kicking off again.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

Woman fined £150 for pouring coffee down drain (emphasis mine)

Burcu Yesilyurt, who lives in Kew, said she thought she was acting "responsibly" when she poured out a small amount of coffee from her reusable cup down the drain rather than risk spilling it on the bus she was about to catch to work.
But to her surprise, she was then stopped by three enforcement officers at the bus stop near Richmond station and fined under Section 33 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990, external.

Shit like this only doubly confirms the idea that the police only exist to whip and beat the normal lower/middle classes into submission while utterly feral government housing types and illegals roam free. Anything that involves actual policing and locking up wronguns is too difficult for police.

 

[Otterly]

I do think we're surprisingly close to a massacre against the police happening at some point.

I don’t think even those who are really wanting things to kick off want that, not at all. They want the infinity rapey fighting age men gone. They want economic progress back, they want the infrastructure fixed.
Even though the police are enforcing their being here, I don’t see much enthusiasm for going after the police and frankly, that would be a pretty dire thing if it did happen. Our police are supposed to police us by consent, and what that would led to is a more militarised force against the populace. It’d be a terrible route to go down. It really would be a sign of things breaking down completely.

Compliant media made sure to portray it as safely contained, which is then the narrative that gets established. The fact is, multiple cities were functionally lawless for multiple hours and it was only a lack of direction and insufficient motivation that ended it. A few powerful voices marshalling people is all it'll take, but they've not turned up yet.

The media are running interference but I think people less and less likely to swallow it. As for powerful voices, as @Overly Serious has said many times, the British state is very good at finding and neutralising those nuclei that rebellion might coalesce around.
The middle classes still have a lot to lose, and IMO the moment things will tip is when they feel unbearably pressed to the point they support what rioters are doing.
I see Rachel from customer services is going after yet another lot of middle class taxpayers rather than reduce spending, again, and every time this is fine it weighs that balance in favour of the middle classes going, ‘you know what…’
The government is feeding this fire from multiple angles - relentless oppression, economic attack, and using a hostile invasive bioweapon. There will be a breaking point, they have to know that, yet they’re still doing it.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

I don’t think even those who are really wanting things to kick off want that, not at all. They want the infinity rapey fighting age men gone. They want economic progress back, they want the infrastructure fixed.

Even the most pissed off Big Baz's won't comprehend killing a copper.

But my gut feeling is that they're going to try and contain one of those Palestine protests and it's going to accidentally get very stabby.

 

[Made In Wales]

Congratulations to @Made In Waleson his victory in Caerphilly!


I was working in the west end of Glasgow and saw Palestinian / St. Andrew’s Cross half and half flags.

I don’t understand the hard man reputation of Glasgow any more, it’s turning it an uglier but gayer version of Edinburgh.

The vote is tomorrow, and hopefully Reform UK will be sending a very powerful message to both Cardiff Bay and Westminster that change is coming and people are not going to take Labour's shit.

BTW I am not Llyr Powell, Reform UK's candidate for the Caerphilly seat

 

[Smyrna]

The protests in Dublin are a good start, but I will not believe the Irish are serious about driving the rapists out until the politicians responsible and business owners profiteering are afraid to stick their car keys in the ignition.

 

[Made In Wales]

The protests in Dublin are a good start, but I will not believe the Irish are serious about driving the rapists out until the politicians responsible and business owners profiteering are afraid to stick their car keys in the ignition.

IRA v Migrants

Place your bets.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Shit it's dark in here

Spoiler: Someone turn on the lights

Much better...

 

[Smyrna]

Begorrah! I've been uncovered!

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In actual news, the only remaining candidate to lead the government's rape gang inquiry has also withdrawn.

 

[Heinrich Maneuver]

BTW I am not Llyr Powell, Reform UK's candidate for the Caerphilly seat

sounds like exactly what Llyr Powell, Reform UK's candidate for the Caerphilly seat, would say...

It's probs been said before here but nothing will change until the 'it's not migrants fault, it's the rich people/corporations/private jet flying farage's fault' and 'it's not the banks/rich peoples/corporations fault its the migrants fault' sides come together and realise its both; corporations/NGOs/quangos whatever you want to call them all in cabal to import in endless browns for exploitation/cheap labour/keep their jobs as NGO charity heads/etc etc. But you never see it get brought up because that comes too close to (((blame the Jews))) schizo babble when you start going on about corporate conspiracies to sacrifice a nations health and society to the Almighty GDP Line Go Up

 

[A-Logato]

The protests in Dublin are a good start, but I will not believe the Irish are serious about driving the rapists out until the politicians responsible and business owners profiteering are afraid to stick their car keys in the ignition.

They'll set a few police vans on fire, commit some good old fashioned smash and grab and some 20 something year olds will get some prison sentences. As much as I am all for pushing out the turd world diddlers and putting who placed them here to account. The Irish are probably second to only the French for not achieving anything when they riot.

 

[teriyakiburns]

In actual news, the only remaining candidate to lead the government's rape gang inquiry has also withdrawn.

Oh dear, Keith fucked up again. Who will he blame this time? My money's on Farage.

It's probs been said before here but nothing will change until the 'it's not migrants fault, it's the rich people/corporations/private jet flying farage's fault' and 'it's not the banks/rich peoples/corporations fault its the migrants fault' sides come together and realise its both; corporations/NGOs/quangos whatever you want to call them all in cabal to import in endless browns for exploitation/cheap labour/keep their jobs as NGO charity heads/etc etc.

The problem I see is that a lot of the former want the browns here and are using the argument disingenuously, to try and convince people that the real solution to society's ills is raising massive wealth taxes on everyone with more than tuppence in the tin. They think more immigration is a good thing by definition, so there's really no middle ground to meet them on. There's a mirror of this on the right, which cannot countenance anything that appears to absolve migrants of even the slightest amount of blame, but also desperately needs immigration to continue in order to maintain their influence.

The few that are actually honest about the issues already understand that the problem is both, but they're unable to move to the middle without immediately being cast out into the opposite camp and permanently marked as oppositional. It's fucked up.

Meanwhile:

Migrant removed to France returns to UK on small boat

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

The vote is tomorrow, and hopefully Reform UK will be sending a very powerful message to both Cardiff Bay and Westminster that change is coming and people are not going to take Labour's shit.

BTW I am not Llyr Powell, Reform UK's candidate for the Caerphilly seat

Well, you would say that wouldn't you, not-Llyr?

I do look forward to the new firmware release, and hearing about how Welsh nationalism is now an awful, bigoted thing rather than a heckin wholesome reaction to English imperialism.

 

[Made In Wales]

Well, you would say that wouldn't you, not-Llyr?

I do look forward to the new firmware release, and hearing about how Welsh nationalism is now an awful, bigoted thing rather than a heckin wholesome reaction to English imperialism.

Whatever you say, Dave

I'll see what can be done about this.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

In actual news, the only remaining candidate to lead the government's rape gang inquiry has also withdrawn.

Two survivors are sticking around, interestingly one was raped multiple times before the grooming gangs got to her and the other the BBC don't mention much about. Wonder if these were the ones eager to widen the scope.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629zvnd5lno

A second candidate to chair the grooming gang inquiry has pulled out, after four women quit the panel of survivors that is meant to be at the heart of it.

Former police deputy chief Jim Gamble, a child abuse expert who headed up the Child Exploitation and Online Protection (CEOP) command, has withdrawn.

The move comes as Sir Keir Starmer was forced to defend the inquiry's progress at Prime Minister's Questions, as he was challenged over survivors' concerns the inquiry is being diluted and that their voices are being silenced.

However, two more survivors, Samantha Walker-Roberts and Carly, have told the BBC they will stay on the panel and disagree with those who have quit.
The fourth survivor to quit the panel Jess, which is not her real name, joins Fiona Goddard, Ellie Reynolds and Elizabeth, also not her real name, in standing down from the survivors' panel.

At PMQs, Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch quoted the outgoing survivors' concerns, telling Sir Keir they believe the inquiry would "downplay the racial and religious motivations behind their abuse" and asked "aren't the victims right when they call it a cover-up?"

Sir Keir said "survivors have been ignored for many years" by the state and he wanted the inquiry to change that, adding "injustice will have no place to hide" and that Dame Louise Casey - whose report recommended a statutory inquiry - will now be working with it.

He invited those that have quit the inquiry to re-join, but added that whether they did or not "we owe it to them" to answer their concerns.

"The inquiry is not and will never be watered down. Its scope will not change. It will examine the ethnicity and religion of the offenders and we will find the right person to chair the inquiry," he told MPs.

Badenoch went on to accuse the government of waging a "briefing war against survivors" and called for Safeguarding Minister Jess Phillips to be sacked.

She said: "Yesterday, the safeguarding minister said Elizabeth was wrong. Who should we believe? The prime minister's safeguarding minister or Elizabeth?"

Sir Keir responded: "What we're trying to do is get this right and have an inquiry with survivors at the heart."

He said it was not an easy process, as "they've all come with difficult experiences, with a wide range of views, and every survivor does bring their own painful experience to this" but he added: "I want to press on and get this right."

The national inquiry into grooming gangs was announced by Sir Keir in June, with powers to compel witnesses and a panel of survivors set up to oversee the process.

The terms of the inquiry are still being worked out but the government says it is close to selecting someone to chair it, and has claimed there are people with legal backgrounds who are still interested.

However, Mr Gamble, who is the only other candidate to have been identified publicly, has now withdrawn his nomination, having met survivors on Tuesday.

Another potential chair, Annie Hudson, withdrew her nomination earlier this week when fears were raised that her social worker background could be a conflict of interest.

A Home Office spokesperson blamed the intensity around the process for the pair pulling out and added: "This is an extremely sensitive topic, and we have to take the time to appoint the best person suitable for the role."

There are thought to be two panels and about 20 survivors involved in total.

Ms Goddard and Ms Reynolds quit the panels on Monday, followed by Elizabeth on Tuesday and now Jess, not her real name, who was raped between the ages of 12-17 in Kirklees, West Yorkshire.

Jess said she was "deeply shocked" when she learned two of the candidates for chair had links to the police or social services, asking "how can we expect truth and accountability when those overseeing the process are connected to the systems that enabled the cover-up?"

She detailed how police dismissed her as a "child prostitute" when she first approached them, how she waited 20 years for justice, and how she was unhappy that officials were "steering the process" toward wider issues of child sexual abuse and exploitation.

"While all forms of child abuse are abhorrent and deserve their own dedicated inquiry, this particular inquiry was meant to focus on grooming gangs," she said.

"That issue alone is vast, deeply-rooted, and has been covered up not just for years, but for decades. It deserves to stand alone and be addressed with the seriousness it warrants."

Another survivor, Elizabeth, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We don't want it widening. We want it to be on grooming gangs - we want our voice."

The BBC has now spoken to two more survivors who are sticking with the panels and have criticised those who have quit.

Samantha Walker-Roberts, from Oldham, wants the scope of the inquiry to include victims of other types of sexual abuse, so they are not "silenced".

She was the victim of a grooming gang when she was 12 - but she was also raped and abused by a man who groomed her online, and as a younger child she was raped and abused by older men who she met through friends.

Ms Walker-Roberts told the BBC: "This is a one-of-a-kind type of inquiry where survivors are in control and it's wrong that certain survivors get special treatment to be part of this.

"It's wrong certain survivors can't see past their own trauma because everyone deserves to be part of this and deserves justice... Survivors like us need to be part of this, so the scope needs to be widened otherwise we're going be silenced."

She added she had no problem with a chair who had a background in policing or social work, as this had been "proven" to work with previous review chairs, where "one was former cop, one was former social worker."

Another supporter of the inquiry is Carly, from Huddersfield, who said she believes "the most effective way to drive meaningful change is from within" and remains "hopeful" the concerns raised by others "will lead to constructive improvements".

"I'm calling on the government to remember that they are dealing with real people who have suffered horrendous abuse," she said.

"Survivors should be at the centre of this inquiry, and political debates must be left at the door."

Interestingly when I try to archive this it brings up a prior article on the same about Shabana who despite not being named in this new one is in the tags. BBC might be fudging things.

Oh dear, Keith fucked up again. Who will he blame this time? My money's on Farage.

The victims. Hence the BBC laying the groundwork for that.