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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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LaxerBRO said:
Have you guys considered withdrawing from what cucked assed Europe wants you to do?
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Civil service is mandated to prioritise law over government and its members aren't required to abide by any code of conduct. + Human Rights Act 1998 make it so our laws are 1:1 identical to the ECHR anyway.

I laid it all out here but to draw a parallel with America, it'd be like if the Democrats passed a bill that mandated federal employees to operate according to their own individual judgement/conscience, and are legally allowed to act or hinder the central government if they believe the government isn't abiding by the law – domestic or international.

Since Blair intertwined our law with the ECHR even if we left it we'd still be forced to adhere to it thanks to the Human Rights Act because apparently only Labour are allowed to bind future governments. Their laws and retardation are also never never never allowed to be repealed or replaced ever hence 14 years of Conservative rule resulting in 0 movement on the immigration front.

This is blameable on Neoconservatism, which basically just says, "Do whatever Neoliberals do because they had the mandate." It's why Trump's first term was mired with his own party just blocking him. Remember McCain voting against repealing Obamacare? Yeah.
 
East_Clintwood said:
Decriminalise all drugs
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In case anyone has doubt

The leader of the Green Party says he wants to legalise all drugs, calling for an approach "led by public health experts, not politicians".

Speaking to BBC South East ahead of his party conference, Zack Polanski said he agreed with a Kent Green councillor, who earlier this year called for the legalisation of all drugs, including class A drugs like heroin and crack cocaine.

Polanski said "the war on drugs has absolutely failed, and ultimately we need to be having a public health approach".

When asked about implications of this for the taxpayer, he replied, "Well, I think voters are having to pay right now for a crime that happens, for the fact that people are in the illegal drug markets, for gangs that we see across county lines.

"All of this is a failure of the fact that, again, for far too long, Prime Ministers have stuck their heads in their sand and said, if we just make drugs illegal, everything's going to be okay."

The Green Party of England and Wales is gathering in Bournemouth for their first autumn conference under a new leadership team which also consists of deputy co-leaders Mothin Ali and Rachel Millward, the current deputy leader of Wealden District Council.

The party has seen growing success in local council elections in parts of Kent Sussex and Surrey in recent years, including in previously Conservative-voting areas like Wealden, Reigate and Maidstone.
Modelling himself as an "eco-populist" during the recent leadership election, Polanski was seen to have a more radical, left-wing approach.

It was argued by his opponents that this might alienate the more moderate, former Conservative party voters who had turned to the party over issues like protecting green spaces from housebuilding.

The leader rejected this idea when speaking to BBC South East.

He said: "I think the radical thing for people in the South East is the fact that their wages have not gone up, but their bills have gone up, the fact that they can't get an NHS dentist appointment.

"The fact that it feels like there's no real future or opportunities for young people.

"So I don't actually think what I'm offering is radical. What I'm offering, I think can appeal to almost everybody."

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Polanski remains clear that his party wants to "tax multi-millionaires and billionaires" in order to create a fairer society.

"This is about redistributing the excess wealth that is happening right across the South East and England and Wales, and saying, let's put that money back into our communities," he said.

The leader discussed a myriad of other issues, including defence and the party's general election prospects.

When asked whether the former Conservative voters now with the Green Party would support his ambition for the UK to leave NATO, Polanski stressed that the UK needs "a different approach to defence".

He said: "What I'm talking about there is recognising we can't be in hock to Donald Trump.

"What I want to do is have a conversation about what an alternative alliance looks like with our European neighbours."

This would not "necessarily" mean spending more on defence, Mr Polanski added.

Turning attention to the next general election, the Green leader has previously said he thinks his party can win 30-40 seats.

When it come to the South East he says other seats in Brighton will be "first on the list", with the party hopeful of adding to the Brighton Pavilion it has held since 2010.

Polanski said: "I think the fact that Sian Berry has such an incredible success, in Brighton Pavilion shows that a lot of the seats around there suddenly get into play.

"That doesn't rule out other seats too."
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Good thing there's not anything controversial about the Greens currently getting a push in the news because of recent events
Green Party deputy leader Mothin Ali has defended his criticism of a Leeds-based Rabbi and Israeli Defence Force (IDF) reservist.
Rabbi Zecharia Deutsch had accused Ali of playing a key role in the wave of threats that drove him from his home.
Green leader Zach Polanski has been under pressure to take action but is standing by his deputy.
Speaking to the BBC, Ali called for Rabbi Deutsch and "anyone who participates in a genocide" to be investigated by the police. Ali described the death of two Jewish people in an attack at a synagogue in Manchester on Thursday as "an absolute tragedy" and expressed solidarity with the Jewish community.

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In September, The Times newspaper reported that Rabbi Deutsch left his Leeds home under advice from West Yorkshire police following a deluge of threats linked to his work with the IDF.
Speaking to the Times, Rabbi Deutsch blamed Ali, who is a member of Leeds City Council, for playing a key role in amplifying the attacks through his posts on social media.
The Times reported that Rabbi Deutsch had been working as a student chaplain at Leeds University at the time of the 7 October attacks in 2023.
An Israeli citizen, he was called up as a reservist for a tour of duty with the Israel Defence Forces. Rabbi Deutsch reportedly acted as a guard for food and ammunition convoys entering Gaza during his service.
In one video on a now private social media account, Ali said: "Leeds University should be protecting its students against this kind of animal.
"You should be protecting people. You should be protecting students from this kind of animal, because if he's willing to kill people over there, how do you know he's not going to kill your students over here?"
Ali has not disputed the content of the video when asked by the BBC.
He said: "I think anyone who participates in a genocide is a danger and should be investigated by the police.
"I don't believe that British people, people who enjoy the freedoms of this country, should be able to go into a foreign state and participate in genocide."
Separately, Ali apologised for the "short sightedness" of a post he made the day after the 7 October attacks, where he said "indigenous people have the right to fight back" and called for an end to "white supremacist European settler colonialism".
Speaking to the BBC, Ali argued he had not been referencing the Hamas attack on Israeli civilians - killing about 1,200 people and taking 251 hostages.
He reiterated that the post referred to principles "enshrined in international law" and was not directly linked to the events of that day.
Defending his position, Ali said he had been elected as deputy leader by more than 5,000 Green Party members who "put their trust in me because they recognise that I work for our community as a whole".
"Politicians have a responsibility in how they communicate, but also the media have a responsibility in how they communicate," he added.
"We shouldn't conflate what's happening in Israel to British Jews her - I think that is irresponsible.
"We need to express our solidarity with British Jews in this country, we need to express our solidarity with all marginalised communities in this country."
Ali became a councillor for Gipton and Harehills ward in May 2024 and immediately hit the headlines for his victory speech, labelling his election a "win for the people of Gaza" before shouting "Allahu Akbar", meaning "God is the greatest" in Arabic.
He later apologised for "any upset" caused.
Green Party leader Zack Polanski stood by Ali in an interview on the morning of the party's annual conference, saying his views needed to seen in context that "this Rabbi went off to fight for the IDF, he was actively recruiting for people to engage in a genocide".
Speaking on BBC Radio 4s Today programme Polanski said Ali was right to apologise, but he would "defend his right to be annoyed and upset by what is happening in Palestine".
"We need to have a nuanced conversation about what is a genocide and talk about what is actually happening as opposed to the words that people use."
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Polanski is just a synonym for sex offender at this point, so it's a fitting name for the leader of the Green Party.
 
UselessRubberKeyboard said:
I’m told a ginnel is the big one that goes between the houses, and a snicket the smaller ones that run along the back of houses. Or it could be the other way round.

We call them all alleys where I’m from. I just reside in Norf FC territory now and have to translate.

Edit: wtf do they call the Midlands, apart from ‘that doghole we have to drive through to get to the souf’?
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They were called alleys were I grew up, but since I live somewhere posh now we call them mews.
 
SirCliveSinclairdabbing said:
In the non clown world time line this woman won the leadership of the Green Party (and it was close).
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A real winner. She seems like the rest of the Greens just based off this alone.
I have written to every backbench Labour MP urging them to press the govt to implement key measures regarding Gaza. I repeat my call here: I know you did not stand for election to preside over inaction in the face of such crimes. Call on the govt to act, today:

Dear Colleagues,

As backbench MPs in the governing party, you have a unique and vital ability to influence the decisions of our government. I know many of you share my deep concern at the scale of human suffering unfolding in Gaza. I am writing to urge you to use your position to press the government to live up to its legal and moral obligations, and to support the following measures without delay:

  • Enact a full arms embargo on Israel, including on components for F-35 fighter jets, and suspend all military cooperation with Israel.
  • Conduct and publish a comprehensive risk assessment of genocide in Gaza, in line with our obligations under the 1948 Genocide Convention.
  • Recognise the State of Palestine immediately, rather than treating recognition as a bargaining chip.
  • Set out how the UK will hold any nationals implicated in war crimes in Palestine to account under UK law.
  • Ban the importation of goods produced in illegal settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
  • Deploy every diplomatic, legal, and economic instrument to secure an immediate and lasting ceasefire, the release of all hostages, unfettered humanitarian access into Gaza, and accountability for war crimes.
When the UK ratified the Genocide Convention in 1948, we voluntarily accepted not only the duty to punish genocide after it occurs, but the urgent duty to prevent it. Article 1 of the Convention imposes on us a clear obligation to act now to avert atrocity. In January 2024, the International Court of Justice warned of a “plausible risk” of genocide in Gaza, a warning the government must take seriously. UN agencies describe Gaza as “the hungriest place on earth,” where blockades and bombardment have cut off nearly all life-saving aid and over a hundred people, including children, have starved to death since this conflict began. Amnesty International has meticulously documented patterns of deliberate starvation, the systematic destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure, forced displacement of entire communities, and dehumanising rhetoric from political and military leaders—actions that meet the Convention’s criteria for genocidal intent.

I know you did not stand for election to preside over inaction in the face of such crimes. Your voices, collectively, can push the government to adopt these urgent measures. This is not a matter of party politics, but of honouring our international commitments and basic human decency. I hope you will join me in calling on the government to implement these policies immediately, and I stand ready to work with any of you to secure cross-party support.

Yours sincerely,

Ellie
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Made In Wales said:
Sheffield Wednesday face major penalty after failing to pay wages for the FIFTH time.
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Their foreign owner is an absolute wanker. He’s valued the club at way over what it should be worth, so he won’t sell. His wife owns the ground. The team is made up of 18 year olds and Bannon, god bless him. No idea how they’re still going. The fans are livid but can’t do much.

Foreign ownership in football is a ticking time bomb. Why are so many Americans buying up clubs?
 
teriyakiburns said:
He definitely has the nonce phenotype going on.
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Is it me or does he just have one very large tooth at the front? Or is it the way he's speaking? If you happy slapped him you would lose a finger.

I think the Greens vs. Lib Dem is going to be an even more fun fight than Reform vs. Tories up to the next GE. Both of them spy the left Reform position to replace Labour and it's going to be brutal. Love it.
 
Gov has responded to the no-ID petition. As expected, their position is "fuck you, we're doing it anyway".

They repeat that it's voluntary, but you will be required to show it for right-to-work checks, which makes it non-voluntary in practice. Saying it's a voluntary system is how they think they can slip it under the door.


The Government has announced plans to introduce a digital ID system which is fit for the needs of modern Britain. We are committed to making people’s everyday lives easier and more secure, to putting more control in their hands (including over their own data), and to driving growth through harnessing digital technology. We also want to learn from countries which have digitised government services for the benefit of their citizens, in line with our manifesto commitment to modernise government.

Currently, when UK citizens and residents use public services, start a new job, or, for example, buy alcohol, they often need to present an assortment of physical documents to prove who they are or things about themselves. This is both bureaucratic for the individual and creates space for abuse and fraud. This includes known issues with illegal working and modern slavery, while the fragmented approach and multiple systems across Government make it difficult for people to access vital services. Further, there are too many people who are excluded, like the 1 in 10 UK adults who don’t have a physical photo ID, so can struggle to prove who they are and access the products and services they are entitled to.

To tackle these interlinked issues, we will introduce a new national digital ID. This is not a card but a new digital identity that will be available for free to all UK citizens and legal residents aged 16 and over (although we will consider through consultation if this should be age 13 and over). Over time, people will be able to use it to seamlessly access a range of public and private sector services, with the aim of making our everyday lives easier and more secure. It will not be compulsory to obtain a digital ID but it will be mandatory for some applications.

For example, the new digital ID will build on GOV.UK One Login and the GOV.UK Wallet to drive the transformation of public services. Over time, this system will allow people to access government services – such as benefits or tax records – without needing to remember multiple logins or provide physical documents. It will significantly streamline interactions with the state, saving time and reducing frustrating paperwork, while also helping to create opportunities for more joined up government services. International examples show how beneficial this can be. For instance, Estonia’s system reportedly saves each citizen hours every month by streamlining unnecessary bureaucracy, and the move to becoming a digital society has saved taxpayer money.

By the end of this Parliament, employers will have to check the new digital ID when conducting a ‘right to work’ check. This will help combat criminal gangs who promise access to the UK labour market in order to profit from dangerous and illegal channel crossings. It will create a fairer system between UK citizens and legal residents, crack down on forged documents, and streamline the process for employers, driving up compliance. Further, it will create business information showing where employers are conducting checks, so driving more targeted action against non-compliant employers.

For clarity, it will not be a criminal offence to not hold a digital ID and police will not be able to demand to see a digital ID as part of a “stop and search.”

Privacy and security will also be central to the digital ID programme. We will follow data protection law and best practice in creating a system which people can rightly put their trust in. People in the UK already know and trust digital credentials held in their phone wallets to use in their everyday lives, from paying for things to storing boarding passes. The new system will be built on similar technology and be your boarding pass to government. Digitally checkable digital credentials are more secure than physical documents which can be lost, copied or forged, and often mean sharing more information than just what is necessary for a given transaction.

The new system will be designed in accordance with the highest security standards to protect against a comprehensive range of threats, including cyber-attacks.

We will launch a public consultation in the coming weeks and work closely with employers, trade unions, civil society groups and other stakeholders, to co-design the scheme and ensure it is as secure and inclusive as possible. Following consultation, we will seek to bring forward legislation to underpin this system.

Department for Science, Innovation and Technology
 
So it's not compulsory, but you won't be allowed to work or have somewhere to live without having it? Will it then be expanded so that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark?
 
teriyakiburns said:
Gov has responded to the no-ID petition. As expected, their position is "fuck you, we're doing it anyway".

They repeat that it's voluntary, but you will be required to show it for right-to-work checks, which makes it non-voluntary in practice. Saying it's a voluntary system is how they think they can slip it under the door.
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So it’s just a share code for UK citizens rather than just foreigners? They could have came up with some bullshit about beefing up the Nation Insurance Number system to protect R NHS and keep benefits monkeys in check.

They could have smuggled it in and only civil liberties loons like me would have cared.

They’re so politically inept they couldn’t even do that.
 
Geoff Capes Vapes Apes said:
So it's not compulsory, but you won't be allowed to work or have somewhere to live without having it?
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It just proves how out of touch this idea is, so many migrants come here illegally and work and live here illegally- to say nothing about the scummy business practices of delivery companies, warehouses, and agencies exploiting foreign labour. it's obvious to most people that a Digital ID won't stop migration until theres patrols on every beach and the businesses hiring - I've just found out today a nurse/carer employed by my family doesn't even have a contract with the nursing agency the council hires/subcontracts. Until we clean out every business and corporation cutting corners and penalising hiring foreign workers nothing will change.

This article (archived) from the Telegraph piqued my interest - a lot of anger over the recent terrorist attack (emphasis is mine)
It was the mention of David Lammy’s title – Deputy Prime Minister – which sparked the first rumblings of disapproval.
Mr Lammy stood on a stage in full view of the crowds, alongside local leaders and politicians such as his predecessor Angela Rayner.... Yet it was the sight of Mr Lammy, who stood under a black umbrella held by an aide, which sparked fury among the mourners.
Cries of “shame on you” and “blood on his hands” forced a painful pause in proceedings.
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Cries of “stop the marches”, in relation to pro-Palestine protests – which were held on Thursday night and are scheduled for the weekend despite the tragedy – continued to be heard.
And when Mr Lammy asked for “those considering marching over the weekend” to “reflect with all human dignity, grace and understanding and to stop and to stand back”, several spectators began booing again and shouting “make it stop” and “you reward them”...“I took the chance to make my voice heard. I can’t take these marches every single Saturday.”
Explaining what drove her outbursts, the 61-year-old said: “I’ve been into town on a Saturday and have been told I’m a baby killer and to ‘go home’.
“That hatred is felt through the whole of the UK and through what happened here yesterday. I knew it would happen.”
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Few at the vigil would disagree with that sentiment. But they also likely feel Mr Lammy could do well to reflect on the white and blue banner which hung across the stage as the solemn gathering took place.
A Jewish star of David and the Manchester worker bee symbol were shown side by side, with the six-word slogan “No more words. We demand action”.
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This attack could be a bigger problem for Keir than he might realise; cracking down on Pally marches and arresting more will only make the left mad, and not doing anything will make the Jews mad, and LFoI seem to be his only supporters at the minute. Lose-lose situation. The pro-Pallies were in town today, a small gathering as it was raining, all brown, so I wonder how the London march will go after this.
It's always fun to tell the pro-Palestinian lefties that of course I agree with them, every ethnicity (or nation, rather) has an inalienable right to its own nation(-state) and to be governed by its own people! I feel the same about the Basque, the Kashmiris, the Kurds, the Sahrawi, the French Canadians, the Tyroleans, Catalans, South Sudanese, and the English- wait, why not the English?
 
FedPostalService said:
So it’s just a share code for UK citizens rather than just foreigners? They could have came up with some bullshit about beefing up the Nation Insurance Number system to protect R NHS and keep benefits monkeys in check.

They could have smuggled it in and only civil liberties loons like me would have cared.

They’re so politically inept they couldn’t even do that.
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The thing is, at this point, there would be no point to smuggling it in. The bellends announced this as a flagship policy to kerb illegal immigration. Having received an unambiguous backlash where they now see that it's completely unpopular, u-turning is politically unpalatable. No, they have to unwaverinly proceed to show that yes, they know what they're doing and "they firmly believe this is the right thing to do" (ugh).

So you see, smuggling it through wouldn't serve any purpose now. It makes them look like even bigger idiots.
 
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