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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Was the Green Party ever this? i know it became fully co-opted by trannies and pedos, and was mostly commies before that, but in theory…

Single-issue parties are incredibly easy to infiltrate because they're ideologically weak. They also lack wider appeal because even the most low information voter wants someone who can keep the lights on at night and the bins collected regularly. This puts them in the position of taking on any political waifs and strays that might lift their skirt in their direction, and thats how the rot starts.

Being anti-nuclear power seems to be a pretty ubiquitous Green position

Thats a rabbit hole worth your time. Theres a reason there was an explosion in anti-nuclear sentiment amongst environmentalist organisations during the 80s. The French intelligence services didn't sink the Rainbow Warrior on a whim.

There is a way to have business thrive, and people thrive, and to not fuck the environment up completely, we just need to be a bit sensible.

Nationalise the lot and regulate the shit out of anything else left standing. If you leave it up to "corporate responsibility" all you end up with is trannies in HR and your water table full of heavy metals.

 

[Otterly]

The land is very managed. And I like what you've done with the place!

Yeah, we had a good thing going on, a lot of the landscape was small pockets of ancient woodland (very small) interspersed with smaller field systems, and then upland areas like wales and Scotland’s higher ground that are more wilderness like, but still managed.
Decent initiatives were things like managing and encouraging hedgerows and smaller fields rather than huge mono crops which our land isn’t suited for. Our farmers have by and large been doing that for a long time. It was OK. The water in particular was getting much cleaner and now the big water companies are paying their bosses huge money while pumping sewage I to waterways and refusing to upgrade infrastructure. All these companies have all the eco net zero boxes ticked on paper, but it’s all meaningless performative guff.
The net zero stuff doesn’t work - we should be re opening the coal mines and using that in as clean a way as we can to cover the twenty or so years it’ll take to future proof our energy needs with nuclear. All the renewables have a place as niche - but they cannot and will never bear the base load. Solar’s great for a summer cottage or charging kit when you’re camping but it’s not working in the dark bits of winter
All this high tech surveillance and AI stuff is going to take a lot of power and energy and we don’t have the capacity. Even if we make the plebs live like 1850s serfs we won’t. The opposition to nukes is misguided IMO. They are the greenest option.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The reality is that your ability to produce and use energy is probably the best benchmark for how you as a society are able to maintain complexity; and complexity is itself the key to ensuring people have enough food, water, education and comfort to be happy and growing. If you kneecap your energy production, everything else is fucked, because everything else needs electricity.

 

[BongoMongo]

Being pro conservationism and being full of niggers are mutually exclusive.

Niggers and pakis despise nature.

 

[Nopenopenope]

Yeah, we had a good thing going on, a lot of the landscape was small pockets of ancient woodland (very small) interspersed with smaller field systems, and then upland areas like wales and Scotland’s higher ground that are more wilderness like, but still managed.
Decent initiatives were things like managing and encouraging hedgerows and smaller fields rather than huge mono crops which our land isn’t suited for. Our farmers have by and large been doing that for a long time. It was OK. The water in particular was getting much cleaner and now the big water companies are paying their bosses huge money while pumping sewage I to waterways and refusing to upgrade infrastructure. All these companies have all the eco net zero boxes ticked on paper, but it’s all meaningless performative guff.
The net zero stuff doesn’t work - we should be re opening the coal mines and using that in as clean a way as we can to cover the twenty or so years it’ll take to future proof our energy needs with nuclear. All the renewables have a place as niche - but they cannot and will never bear the base load. Solar’s great for a summer cottage or charging kit when you’re camping but it’s not working in the dark bits of winter
All this high tech surveillance and AI stuff is going to take a lot of power and energy and we don’t have the capacity. Even if we make the plebs live like 1850s serfs we won’t. The opposition to nukes is misguided IMO. They are the greenest option.

This is why I'm unconvinced by the latest brags from government on how we have secured billions in US tech investment from the likes of Nvidia and Microsoft. The intercontinental electricity cables typically only flow one way, into this country because we can't meet our own needs at peak time, doubly so when the wind isn't blowing and the clouds are blocking the solar. I'm sure these big US companies have done their homework and must know sooner or later the investment they are making is going to be crippled by either a lack of electricity, or made uneconomic because of the massively inflated prices (more than they already are compared to most of Europe).

So the investments are either going to be delayed until more power comes online, or it's going to happen anyway and us plebs will absorb the costs to discount the data centre usage. They're talking about modular nuclear, something that sounds promising but is completely unproven so far. Even if it works as expected, the hurdles to install it will be immense. The security considerations, getting the local community onboard, the myriad of legal challenges which you know will be incoming. Traditional nuclear takes literal decades to build because of all the planning and nature countermeasures, with the same legal challenges as above but on steroids. Plus the standard large government subcontractor fun and games where a job should cost £5b done in 5 years, ending in £20b in 30 years.

EDIT- case in point, it is a Saturday so a lot of industrial activity is closed for the weekend, here in the norf it's overcast and raining so solar is fucked but windy seems to be doing ok. Still need to import energy. Don't get me started on considering biomass better than coal either, biggest con Drax ever pulled off.

 

[Crunkle]

been on and off the past week so am very upset I missed the latest Jackposting

I saw the most beautiful sight I've ever seen yesterday while driving:
On the side of the road was a white Tesla with a blue racing stripe from front to back right over to the bonnet and roof. Door was shut and an Indian guy was very angrily shouting into his phone. Door was shut too so I like to imagine he locked himself out or had an issue.

 

[Oxyjen]

Thats a rabbit hole worth your time. Theres a reason there was an explosion in anti-nuclear sentiment amongst environmentalist organisations during the 80s

Russia, right? It’s usually Russia.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Russia, right? It’s usually Russia.

Yup. They invested a lot of money in anti-nuclear, nuclear disarmament and environmentalist groups and they were heavily infiltrated by local communists.

Just look at Michael Foot and the CND over here. That fossil was in the pocket of the KGB and was giving money to the CND hand over fist.

 

[Overly Serious]

Short of royal decree, who can 'fire' him or force him to leave? Would a VONC result in Starmer saying "fuck it, I quit" or could he just say "fuck it, you're all replaced"?

He can't say "fuck it, you're all replaced" to the MPs, he can to his cabinet. But he can't stop a Vote of No Confidence nor not honour one if passed. What he has, and this is what it comes down to, is the nuclear option of not stepping aside in the face of a Vote of No Confidence and forcing a general election. This is a big stick because Labour are unpopular and got the seats they did from a protest vote against the Tories and if his own MPs force a Vote of No Confidence they're risking another election in which a lot of them will be out. That's the real stick he has to resist. They can force him out but really only at the risk of a disastrous election. Now normally a PM will step aside rather than play chicken right down to the line. But Starmer? Who knows - like Macron is France, he knows his goose is cooked and is basically doing whatever he can to stay in power and pass the bills his globalist masters want passed before the clock runs out.

There is a way to have business thrive, and people thrive, and to not fuck the environment up completely, we just need to be a bit sensible.

You can start by getting rid of the groups that pretend to speak for the environment. I've been pro-Nuclear energy for decades and in all that time my main obstacle has been groups like Friends of the Earth who pump out lie after lie about it. And the global warming lobby who push for endless public money towards windfarms and keep insisting they're better than nuclear. They also subvert any local or national environmental group. You want to support some local or even national environmental project you agree with but what's this? You look into it and instead of protecting hedgehogs or river life, they spend half their time campaigning about global warming or for more fucking wind farms.

 

[the rat]

for more fucking wind farms.

Why do you hate saving the environment, chud? Now go pay your retardedly expensive electric bill and fucking pray we don't run into a no energy situation by Christmas (just a sign that we need MORE wind mills :) trvst the plqn).

You look into it and instead of protecting hedgehogs or river life, they spend half their time campaigning about global warming or for more fucking wind farms.

You've gone and reminded me about this hedgehog that got stuck in my backyard about 10ish years ago now. Cute thing, wanted to keep it as a pet but mum said no and we released it in a nearby park iirc? Life is truly unfair.

 

[teriyakiburns]

One thing that's very striking is that it is a pastoral country. The land is very managed.

This is something that environmentalists tend to forget. They talk about re-wilding huge chunks of England, which has been almost entirely managed by humans for hundreds of years. Even our wildest of wild woods are theme parks these days.

You look into it and instead of protecting hedgehogs or river life, they spend half their time campaigning about global warming or for more fucking wind farms.

I can't look at those bat shredders without getting irrationally angry. They've torn up and permanently disfigured huge chunks of the countryside so they can drop gigantic, useless heath robinsons right in the path of raptors and other soaring birds. All the best wind turbine spots are also where the best upslow flows and thermals form, which soaring birds use to gain altitude. They disproportionately attract insects, which attracts small birds and bats in turn, which have their guts shredded by the huge pressure differentials close to the blades - when they're not simply swiped out of the air direction. They are so environmentally destructive that you'd have to be pig-ignorant or insane to think they're "saving" anything other than the bank accounts of politically connected landowners.

Worse still, they draw down and mix the air in their wake, which reduces precipitation downwind and causes significant drying of the soil. All the areas experiencing record drought in western Europe are downwind of wind turbine installations.

 

[Monopolywheel]

No idea, I'm a white man, married to a beautifual Indian woman.

Have we finally found Vance's secret kiwifarms account?

 

[Kofi Drinka]

We do need a green political wing IMO, and it’s annoying they’re basically pedo Marxist loons, because I do like our green and pleasant land and would like to live on a clean and healthy planet overall.
There is a way to have business thrive, and people thrive, and to not fuck the environment up completely, we just need to be a bit sensible. Wr can all have freedom of speech and expression and rich people can even stay rich! I find it very odd indeed that is ch a political viewpoint is seen as extremist, because it seems very dull and sensible to me, but what do I know?

The green party have always been the nutjob party. The idea that the left is the party of nature has always been complete bullshit in our country. The people in our country who care about nature are the rich old money types and their game keepers. They're the ones who would fund the old Tory party and run the country. They preserved nature and took care of it because it was their duty as their father's sons. And they also liked shooting the wild life and would breed and release species for it. You need a nice clean pond for your ducks. You need good crops pigeons like to feed on for them. Deer need to be managed or they act like niggers and breed themselves to starvation and environmental destruction.

One of the funnier things about the UK, is that at some point, all of it has been shaped by human hands. Every single dammed inch has been remoulded at some point by people. There really isn't anywhere wild in the UK, so much as there are places that have been remade to look close to being wild.

One of the modern cancers in conservation is "rewilding". The idea that if you just leave shit to get overrun you will save all the bees and find 32 new species of wood lice! It's stupid and a grave misunderstanding of land management. Many species are rare because they're shit or want poorly managed environments that are bad for other things. This rewilding idea is now so bad they're telling people to never mow their laws. To let stingers take over the garden and it's better for nature that way.

I disagree that all the land has been touched by human lands. England has and you won't find any where there that won't show signs of human design. The further north you go the less human managed it is. You would have to be an idiot to try and tame some of the mountains. It's nice to have that contrast and every where has it's own specific soul

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

been on and off the past week so am very upset I missed the latest Jackposting

I saw the most beautiful sight I've ever seen yesterday while driving:
On the side of the road was a white Tesla with a blue racing stripe from front to back right over to the bonnet and roof. Door was shut and an Indian guy was very angrily shouting into his phone. Door was shut too so I like to imagine he locked himself out or had an issue.

I had the joy last week of asking a neighbour about her Tesla and watching her reaction when I asked about winter driving range.

 

[Kane Lives]

Worse still, they draw down and mix the air in their wake, which reduces precipitation downwind and causes significant drying of the soil. All the areas experiencing record drought in western Europe are downwind of wind turbine installations.

Man, I'm aware of the bat/insect shredding nature of the wind turbines but this is the first I heard they're also affecting the climate.

Of course, this instance of climate change is kosher and acceptable.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Man, I'm aware of the bat/insect shredding nature of the wind turbines but this is the first I heard they're also affecting the climate.

Wind farms dry surface soil in temporal and spatial variation.

Of course, this instance of climate change is kosher and acceptable.

The cope that the industry came up with is that any drought or drying downwind of wind turbines is actually caused by global warming and it's just a total coincidence that it's always associated with wind turbine installations.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

The Green Party will always be the "lefty party that's more insane than even the most insane Labour party members" and honestly that's done them well so far. It's a good grift to say common sense policies that you haven't costed so it looks like the party in charge is just a bunch of retards.

But it's actually hilarious how two Labour party members forming their own party (that looks to be over before their first conference) ended up with more coverage and momentum than the Green Party has over their entire lifetime.

It's a lot like the Lib Dems or childish instigators like Corbyn, it's fine to yell from the sidelines until you have any semblance of power and then it's not so fun to have to deal with the same types of instigators you were. Lib Dems were always the ideals party until they formed a coalition with the Tories and ended up doing such a piss poor job of influencing government that the Tories won the next election easily.

As someone who thinks Reform are to the left of my political spectrum, I appreciate the Greens and Your Party for sticking the knife into Labour and forcing them to confront issues like Islam vs Gays. Once the Green party get big enough they'll actually become notable enough to be hit by a scandal and won't survive it.

 

[Overly Serious]

@teriyakiburns I usually consider myself pretty well-informed on this stuff but even I'd never heard about the drying out of the soil. It makes sense when you think about it - they're a near continuous unidirectional updraft. I note how according to your linked paper the drying is worst in Summer and Autumn, so spot on for killing wildlife. I also like (as in I do not like) how even in a paper pointing out large problems with windfarms, the authors have to begin their paper with the statement of "Wind energy is renewable and clean". They have to show their allegiance to the cause lest anyone think they might be heretical opponents of windfarms.

Few things more darkly humorous than people saying "science isn't political".

EDIT: There really ought to be some organised anti-wind farm groups to provide information and coordination.

You've gone and reminded me about this hedgehog that got stuck in my backyard about 10ish years ago now. Cute thing, wanted to keep it as a pet but mum said no and we released it in a nearby park iirc? Life is truly unfair.

Take comfort in the fact he'd be happier out in the wild and has probably been dining out on his story about being rescued by benevolent aliens / angels of the Hedgehog Lord to all his hedgehog mates ever since. You did the right thing.



Answering my own question slightly, but putting it in a new post because I expect by the time I've typed this another will have appeared since mine. (EDIT: It had not!) I found a well-named site called "Stop These Things". Seems a little quiet, I was thinking something a bit more organisational. Still, worth sharing the link. https://stopthesethings.com/tag/anti-wind-farm-groups/

I had someone smugly remark to me once that "cats kill more birds than wind farms". My response was: "Cats? Cats are the biggest killers of wild birds there are. They devastate wild bird populations. That's like comparing car deaths to cancer and going "oh, well this kills more". And they kill a different type of bird as well. I've never seen a housecat take down an eagle but I've seen a wind turbine kill one. And you do know the number of wind turbines are growing. Will you be happy if and when the finally do kill more than cats?"

Shut them up.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Funny Hitler Number has been reached. Treblinka is being re-opened.

Also, I got a job offer from a company out Texas way; through a mutual friend of mine and the owner. The number he quoted me for pay actually made my brain skip for a second. I always forget - SOMEHOW!! - how overtaxed and underpaid we are in the UK. Reminders like that hit me every now and again.

To add to the 'power' discussion. The purpose of electricity is to do tasks consistently, repeatedly and at scale. If your power supply cannot manage consistency, and it cannot manage scale, then it's worthless. Nuclear, Gas and Coal are what works. If you don't like gas and coal because you want the environment to be clean, sure; fine. Nuclear it fucking is. The fact that we have allowed such a strategically important thing as 'should we keep the lights on' become an issue of debate is a damming demonstration of why democracy is so heinously fucking gay.,

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Answering my own question slightly, but putting it in a new post because I expect by the time I've typed this another will have appeared since mine. (EDIT: It had not!) I found a well-named site called "Stop These Things". Seems a little quiet, I was thinking something a bit more organisational. Still, worth sharing the link. https://stopthesethings.com/tag/anti-wind-farm-groups/

I had someone smugly remark to me once that "cats kill more birds than wind farms". My response was: "Cats? Cats are the biggest killers of wild birds there are. They devastate wild bird populations. That's like comparing car deaths to cancer and going "oh, well this kills more". And they kill a different type of bird as well. I've never seen a housecat take down an eagle but I've seen a wind turbine kill one. And you do know the number of wind turbines are growing. Will you be happy if and when the finally do kill more than cats?"

Shut them up.

So we get rid of cats and wind farms. Terriers can deal with the rat and mouse population and they only maim a few kids