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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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A shocking exposé in the Daily Express has laid bare the vile attitudes festering at the heart of Labour's rotten establishment.

In Peterborough, Labour council leader Dennis Jones (below) dismissed victims of these heinous crimes as 'white trash' in sickening WhatsApp messages.

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When a fellow councillor dared to raise concerns about mass immigration and women's safety, Jones sneered:

'Oh so white British cops f*****g poor white trash in Rotherham is OK, is it? Get a f*****g grip.'
 
Smoking is legal. Alcohol is legal. Being 200kgs is legal. Driving is legal. Going to India as a single woman is legal. The government is not the arbiter of your life. I agree that yes, they are harmful for you and that the general public should be fully aware of the risks and consequences of consuming those things, they should not however be banned from doing so. With the caveat that in England those things should be taxed at a higher rate to make up for the costs it will cause the nhs. I do not believe that anyone can look at our current situation and think that more bans will ever be a good thing.
I am long past being a libertarian. I don't have a problem with things being banned or restricted by the government if the government is a just one.

If you happened to be a little white girl.
Death sentence with no appeal allowed. Death by paki rape is Starmer is still in power.
'Oh so white British cops f*****g poor white trash in Rotherham is OK, is it? Get a f*****g grip.'
What is the context of this? He is saying it's not okay for cops to rape the lower classes. But there's no real context to it to know who he is sneering at.
 
Not what I was told
I’m not quoting all of that but I’d love to break a rule and smoke some skunk with you.

In an earlier life I worked it out that the rain water thing would only produce the same per year as a few 400w panels (£60 each) produce per day. I agree on water solar. (And if bored I’d still do the rain water thing solely for offgrid lighting)
 
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Didn't know if these messages were real, what a first week.
"Maybe we should try to do something about the fact that women are in danger from the dangerous immigration policy we have."
"All white people should be raped and die. I want you to fail. Fuck you. Die."

What a fucking spaz.
"Lemme just write something that could ruin my career while disparaging you at the same time! Nothing could go wrong here!"
Actual braindead behavior.
I guess this is the labor version of fedposting on your social media.
 
Ruin his career in 2025 Britain? Probably get an OBE out of it.
The political landscape is changing, and people are angry enough as it is.
Labour members calling rape victims "scum" would be a scandal that would've shaken the entire party to its core like 20 years ago, now it's like every other week.
 
I wonder what adjective they will pivot to now that alleged is off the table. It certainly won't be "convicted".
"Isolated" or "unrepresentative" come to mind. Anything to minimise the reality.

Didn't know if these messages were real, what a first week.
Classic example of a strawman. Reframing a valid concern into a farcical one and then attacking the farce. I hate it when people do that and I hate the people who fall for it. Not slowly. Immediately.
 
Reyner lawyer bit already mentioned from the Telegraph's perspective (bias high against her, likely less salacious details than the Mail)

Angela Rayner’s lawyers claim they have been made “scapegoats” and did not give her tax advice, The Telegraph can disclose.
The conveyancing firm that handled the purchase of her £800,000 flat in Hove, East Sussex, insisted it had done nothing wrong.
The comments are a major blow to the Deputy Prime Minister, who has blamed “legal advice that I received” for her failure to pay a £40,000 stamp duty bill on the purchase of her seaside holiday home.
Verrico & Associates, a family company based in Herne Bay, Kent, confirmed that it had advised her on the purchase of the flat.
Joanna Verrico, the managing director, told The Telegraph: “We acted for Ms Rayner when she purchased the flat in Hove. We did not and never have given tax or trust advice. It’s something we always refer our clients to an accountant or tax expert for.
“The stamp duty for the Hove flat was calculated using HMRC’s own online calculator, based on the figures and the information provided by Ms Rayner. That’s what we used, and it told us we had to pay £30,000 based on the information provided to us. We believe that we did everything correctly and in good faith. Everything was exactly as it should be.
“We probably are being made scapegoats for all this, and I have got the arrows stuck in my back to show it. We are not an inexperienced firm, but we’re not qualified to give advice on trust and tax matters and we advise clients to seek expert advice on these.”

A spokesman for the Council for Licensed Conveyancers, which regulates such firms, said: “We have asked them for a full account of events.
“They are not licensed to provide tax advice. What they are licensed to do is to provide conveyancing advice, and they are regulated to the highest standards.”
Kemi Badenoch the Conservative Party leader, said: “This is yet more damning evidence that Angela Rayner has not been honest with the British public. From the start, we’ve had nothing but excuses, deflections and lies. Enough is enough.
“How many final straws can there be for Angela Rayner? She must resign or Keir Starmer must finally find the backbone to sack her.”
Ms Rayner admitted on Wednesday that she underpaid £40,000 of stamp duty on the seafront flat. She insisted she had relied on “legal advice that I received that said that I was liable to pay the standard stamp duty”.
It is understood the Deputy Prime Minister is arguing that she received at least three pieces of legal advice, including from the trust overseeing her son’s affairs and a conveyancer, supporting her initial position.
Two other law firms that have been involved in the trust or the sale of Ms Rayner’s properties have both publicly stated that they did not advise her on the stamp duty.
Shoosmiths, which set up a trust for her son in 2020, said: “We did not act for the Rt Hon Angela Rayner in relation to the purchase of her Hove property and/or the SDLT aspects of that property. Ms Rayner is not a current client of the firm and has not been for some time.”
A spokesman for mfg Solicitors LLP, which was involved in conveyancing on the Ashton-under-Lyne property, said: “We can confirm that we did not act for Ms Rayner in the purchase of her property in Hove, nor did we provide any tax-related advice in relation to it”.

Sir Laurie Magnus, the Prime Minister’s independent adviser on ministers’ interests, is investigating Ms Rayner’s claim and is expected to report back as soon as Friday.
On Thursday afternoon, Sir Keir Starmer indicated that he was prepared to sack the Deputy Prime Minister if she was found to have broken the ministerial code.
If she failed to provide that firm with all relevant information, or failed to seek all necessary advice, it would cast doubt on her explanation.
Verrico is a small conveyancing firm that does not employ any qualified solicitors. Instead, they are licensed conveyancers who only focus on property advice and typically handle straightforward transactions.
Experts said Ms Rayner’s choice of firm cast serious doubt over whether she had sought appropriate legal advice.
The Deputy Prime Minister referred herself to HMRC and the ministerial ethics watchdog days after The Telegraph first disclosed that she had avoided the extra stamp duty normally applied on a second home.
In her interview on Wednesday, she said she was “devastated” that she had made the payment based on “legal advice that I received that said that I was liable to pay the standard stamp duty”.

Kevin Hollinrake, the Tory party chairman, said it was baffling that Ms Rayner had failed to pay the extra £40,000 in stamp duty.
He said: “It is not complicated. It is quite simple and set out clearly on the HMRC website. It is very clear you should pay the extra stamp duty if your children own a property through a trust and you then buy a second property. The reality is it is not complex. You can go on to the HMRC website and find all this very easily.”
On Friday, Sir Keir vowed to “act on whatever the report is” into Ms Rayner’s tax affairs – but refused five times to guarantee he would dismiss her.
Last year, he updated the ministerial code to put a greater emphasis on the principles of public life and strengthened the terms of reference for the independent adviser.
Asked whether he would sack Ms Rayner if she was found to have breached the code, Sir Keir told the BBC: “Well, Angela Rayner has referred herself to the independent adviser. My experience is he will be comprehensive in the report that he gives me. He will be quick, and that’s what I’m expecting. And so I want to let that process take its course.”
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The company involved in the sale is a six-person firm, two of whom describe themselves as licensed conveyancers, two conveyancer executives and two legal secretaries. It is based in a small office attached to a Co-op convenience store in a back street in Herne Bay.
Searches by The Telegraph confirmed that none of those listed working at the firm are registered with the Law Society or the Solicitors Regulation Authority.
While licensed conveyancers are trained to deal with all aspects of property law, experts advise that solicitors should be used for more complex transactions because of their broader legal knowledge.
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2. Non-conveyancing and non-legal advice
A licensed conveyancer is a specialist property lawyer, qualified to advise on conveyancing law, probate and will writing only. If you need advice on other legal or non-legal matters [...] you should consult appropriately qualified professionals such as a litigation lawyer, a surveyor or a financial adviser.
Extract from Verrico & Associates’ terms of engagement
Verrico & Associates’ own terms of engagement say: “A licensed conveyancer is a specialist property lawyer, qualified to advise on conveyancing law, probate and will writing only. If you need advice on other legal or non-legal matters… you should consult appropriately qualified professionals such as a litigation lawyer, a surveyor or a financial adviser.”
The terms add that they may agree to submit the stamp duty return but “if your transaction is complex, we may also suggest you obtain independent tax advice”.
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8. Stamp duty Land Tax (SDLT) or LTT (Wales)
[...] If your transaction is complex, we may also suggest you obtain independent tax advice”.
Extract from Verrico & Associates’ terms of engagement
In January, Ms Rayner sold a 25 per cent share of the family home in Ashton-under-Lyne to a trust established for her son for £162,500. Months later, she purchased the £800,000 seafront flat in Hove through local estate agent Sam Ranger of Mishons.
The Telegraph revealed last week that she told HMRC it was her primary home for stamp duty purposes, meaning she paid about £30,000, rather than the £70,000 owed for a second home.
After a week of public declarations that everything had been done correctly, she has now admitted that the “complex nature” of the trust meant she should have paid the higher rate.
But in the wake of The Telegraph’s disclosures, she sought a second opinion from a leading tax adviser KC, who told her that this was wrong.
James Quarmby, a partner at Stephenson Harwood, said: “She should have really looked at seeking other advice, rather than a local high street conveyancer.
“I would presume that she thought it was a fairly simple transaction to be made, she thought that she had renounced herself of the Ashton property by selling her 25 per cent stake, and passed that information on to the conveyancers.
“Part of this has to come down to her judgment as well, and who she chooses to rely on for information. I don’t think you can necessarily ask that of a small high street firm which doesn’t do the ins and outs of stamp duty rules.”
Ms Rayner has not responded to a request for comment about her choice of legal advice.
As for Dennis Jones first thing of note is he was messaging with the lady from here. Seems she is the one who posted the messages.

He has apparently resigned and been booted from Labour, though other sources says suspended. Either way given how swiftly it has happened shows how bad this shit is and there's potentially worse still to come.
The Leader of Peterborough City Council has resigned after a message he sent referring to "poor white trash" was made public.


Councillor Dennis Jones, a Labour councillor at Peterborough City Council, has resigned with immediate effect as the leader of the council and has been suspended from the Labour Party.

His comments were posted by Independent councillor, Daisy Blakemore-Creedon, who shared a Whatsapp exchange between the pair.
In the messages, Cllr Blakemore-Creedon is seen to have said, "I care about safety and why should immigration put women's safety at risk."


Cllr Jones responded: "Oh so white British cops f*****g poor white trash in Rotherham is OK, is it?

"Get a f*****g grip Daisy.

"You are aiming for populist votes and attention.

"Forgive me but you are bright enough to know what you are doing and, politically, I wish you no luck at all.

"But you know what you are setting out to do."

A spokesperson for Peterborough City Council said: "A formal complaint has been received by the council in relation to this and we are now considering its contents.

"An Extraordinary Full Council meeting will be called as soon as reasonably possible to appoint a new Council Leader."
 
"Maybe we should try to do something about the fact that women are in danger from the dangerous immigration policy we have."
"All white people should be raped and die. I want you to fail. Fuck you. Die."

What a fucking spaz.
"Lemme just write something that could ruin my career while disparaging you at the same time! Nothing could go wrong here!"
Actual braindead behavior.
I guess this is the labor version of fedposting on your social media.
That's the Labour way; 'I will be a retard and go down with this ship...'
 

Guido Transcript:
  • Mason:
    “You’re sounding like Boris Johnson used to do. You can’t answer the direct question of whether a minister who had broken the ministerial code, if that’s the case, would be sacked.”
  • Starmer:
    “Well, let me point out the key differences. Firstly, I strengthened the code and the role of the independent adviser. Secondly, I insist that if there’s any issue, any minister refers themselves to the process.”
  • Mason:
    “And what about thirdly, that if there’s a conclusion of a breach that you sack the process?”
  • Starmer:
    “Well, all I’m saying is he’s doing his job now and I need to let him finish that job. But this is a million miles away from where we were under Boris Johnson, where there was simply…”
  • Mason:
    “Could you not just explicitly say if a minister has broken the ministerial code, they’ll be sacked? And you’re not saying that?”
  • Starmer:
    “What I’m saying is there’s a clear procedure. I strengthened that procedure. It is now taking place. I am expecting a result pretty quickly. I do want it to be comprehensive, as you’d expect. And then of course I will act on whatever the report is that’s put in front of me.”
:story: Starmer and Reeves are doubling down. Even O'Brien isn't having it.
 
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