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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[BrightonAndHoveAlbion]

Granted, I fucked off some years ago, but when and why did "Right to rent" become a thing?

Right to rent has been around forever, you just need to be able to provide evidence of your right to live in the UK to be able to rent. The government made the penalties incredibly strict at least 10 years ago for landlords, so they started enforcing it.

All you need is either a passport or birth cert if you're British and that's it.

 

[FedPostalService]

> Right to rent
What the fuck does that even mean?
How can you be a citizen of the UK and not be allowed to rent?
Do they have state enforced homelessness?

This is for noncitizens and the absolute cluster fuck of immigration statuses that now exist because they keep fudging the numbers to let people stay.

I’ve not seen this mentioned here, but if you go to university this year you have to prove you’re a British citizen. We are full of that many foreigners and people on weird statuses there’s effectively an inefficient ID system already.

This is going to expend until it’s such a hassle people will accept ID cards.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

It's been a while since I looked it up and I am too lazy to do so now, but the rules for the UK seem almost identical to Australia.
Thank you for the detailed explanation

Pretty similar yes, probably since both our reg regimes come from tragedies at around the same time (mid-90s).

Also worth mentioning is the actual gun culture, which I'd assume is similar in Australia - guns are largely viewed as a rural accessory over here, so most people (though not all) who own guns will live in the smaller towns and villages in the countryside where shooting is common for sport, farming, hunting and so on. City folk don't generally have guns because they're just not a part of city culture. People in cities will view guns as things that criminals and yokels have, while people in the countryside will see them as a part of rural life.

So that's another part of it, (legal) guns are not culturally viewed as weapons over here, but rather as a lifestyle tool, unlike in America.

 

[StimulatedOrb]

Congrats on getting me to click, I guess.

The American mind is in continual cope. It must conjure up the worst image it can of every other nation in order to feel better about the niggers murdering whites and getting away with it from soft touch judges. Its why they get into a psychotic ecstasy fever over the idea of muslims raping white girls, something akin to their own women either being raped by blacks or subscribing to blacked. They know they have little to no hope of escaping their hellish existence, so they try to spread it to others.

The American will post his/her anger in a thread about an American being fucked over, or murdered by nigs, or something like that, then wander into this thread to say "da yuuukay is so OVER, my fat edaddy who is utterly broken by a handful of trannies who have him living in fear said so as well!". They never connect the actions.

 

[Crunkle]

Angela Rayner has referred herself to the Prime Minister's ethics adviser because she has now admitted that she's underpaid stamp duty on the Brighton flat.

Bet you it'll be the usual: "We've found that this is true, the Deputy PM has now paid in full and we won't take any further action."

 

[Kofi Drinka]

this kinda falls down when it's Joe blogs @ the address of the supermarket. use Apple Pay and you get a new account number every time you pair a card or add the card to a new device.

They don't just track you with the cards you pay for. How much CCTV is around with car number plates and facial scanning?

If someone breaks into your house, and he has a knife, and you shoot him in the face, you're going to be ok. The problems come when people do dumb shit like laying traps or shooting fleeing intruders in the back.

You can't go and fetch your gun to shoot someone. Any weapon you use in self defense has to be on hand when the situation happens. If you run into your office and grab your gun then you will be done for it. I can't power level but don't trust you're allowed to use your gun in self defense even if it makes sense to you. They do not like people shooting others in self defense and will do everything they can to fuck your life up. Assume any use of your guns is illegal because the police will and the papers will run you through the muck for surviving a home invasion.

Once you're a full member, you basically just need a safe in your house for storage (needs to be bolted into a wall, and not removable) and you're good to go.

You also need an alarm system and the current rules are an alarm system that will call your phone when it triggers. A cabinet bolted down is required and the police will occasionally come out and check you're sticking to it.

They will deny you firearms you don't have a reasonable use for. You can't say you want to own an elephant gun if you have no elephants to shoot. Shotguns for pigeon shooting are easy to get if you're rural.

 

[Mound Dweller]

The scene in Hot Fuzz is exaggerated but like all great satire it's based on the truth, farmers do all have guns, not that many sea mines though (plenty of dynamite in certain areas however). Don't believe me? See what happens if you try and break into the wrong barn.

"We've found that this is true, the Deputy PM has now paid in full and we won't take any further action."

You might not get the full 9 lives but you can get away with quite a few second-second chances if you've got big tits and the good PR to go with it, Ange is all out of good PR now, she might need to carpetbag to that safeseat afterall.

 

[Muad'Dick]

We're going to get digital ID. Its inevitable. What good is an economic unit if you can't keep track of it?

The framework is already in place and has been for quite a while. Loyalty cards/schemes, paperless billing, the narrowing categories for acceptable ID etc, we've all been steered down this path over the past 20 years or more and for the most part we've willingly accepted it. We're easily bought off with convenience or 10% off your next order.

The capstone will be the government issued ID which ties everything together. The framing of its introduction will be critical though.

When David Blunkett started playing around with the idea of national ID cards back in 2001 it was touted as being the panacea for benefit fraud, undocumented workers, international criminals and various other ne'er-do-wells. If you ignore the irony of a blind man pushing for national ID for a second, the reasoning is sound, it could help, but it would never catch the people who have already slipped through the cracks anyway (like cockle pickers). They require investigation and boots on the ground, not a glorified bus pass. Regardless, in 2006 we had the Identity Cards Act, which was a resounding... Er, something, I suppose.

Behind the scenes it was a classic Labour fuck up. Grandiose ideas like holding biometric data for the entire population soon fell apart once the practicalities and legal considerations dawned on them (what do you mean we pass bills in the UK without doing the necessary legwork beforehand?). They couldn't even decide how they wanted to roll it out to the general public. They didn't want it to be mandatory as that would be poison at the ballot box. Before the act was repealed there were a massive 15,000 National Identity Cards in circulation. Hang onto them if you've got 'em. They're rarer than some Pokémon cards.

What did survive out of this mess before the act was repealed in 2011 was the Biometric Residence Permit. In a move of quite out of character for Labour, they decided to kill two birds with one stone and introduce this to foreign nationals first as a test run. The Biometric Residence Permit is still in use today. Which makes you wonder why there is all the song and dance about ID in the context of migrants when a) we already have a system in place and b) it doesn't work anyway.

In the meantime, the digital infrastructure and means of collecting data has grown exponentially. Why bother with a physical card when you could use, say, an app on your phone to tie everything together. Oh, and it'd help track your whereabouts too. Now if only they could incentivise people to use such a thing...

The NHS App is the genesis of the new digital ID.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I'm starting to think the IDs thing is a misdirection. Get the conversation off of migrants by bringing up another problem topic and pushing that into the media.

 

[Muad'Dick]

I'm starting to think the IDs thing is a misdirection. Get the conversation off of migrants by bringing up another problem topic and pushing that into the media.

Nah, its a cope the same as last time. Its a "Look! We're doing something!" move.

The first time it was discussed was in the wake of 9/11 and was (very) rushed through after 7/7.

Its just the same problem/reaction/solution dance as always. Its a uniparty issue, but whoever introduces it properly (ie make it mandatory) is going to be warming the back benches for a few years.

 

[Chandiler Savant]

Angela Rayner has referred herself to the Prime Minister's ethics adviser because she has now admitted that she's underpaid stamp duty on the Brighton flat.

Bet you it'll be the usual: "We've found that this is true, the Deputy PM has now paid in full and we won't take any further action."

Smells like a lovely distraction from everything, even if they ditch Rayner - Reeves clings onto Starmer. Even those running defense for labour are getting exhausted.

 

[Crunkle]

HAPPENING: Rayner looks on the brink of tears after a simple, weak question from Badenoch. Lip was quivering, Reeves leaned over to see if she was okay.



Please, please, please Lord make it so that Keir Starmer is the only one in the top 3 most powerful politicians in our country that hasn't sobbed during PMQs in a single year.

FURTHER HAPPENING: The Metropolitan Police has claimed that they were forced to arrest Linehan in a statement:

“Most reasonable people would agree that genuine threats of physical violence against an identified person or group should be acted upon by officers. Such actions can and do have serious and violent real-world implications.
But when it comes to lesser cases, where there is ambiguity in terms of intent and harm, policing has been left between a rock and a hard place by successive governments who have given officers no choice but to record such incidents as crimes when they’re reported. Then they are obliged to follow all lines of enquiry and take action as appropriate.”

Guido Fawkes: (L / A)

 

[Kofi Drinka]

FURTHER HAPPENING: The Metropolitan Police has claimed that they were forced to arrest Linehan in a statement:

Guido Fawkes: (L / A)

Non-crime hate crimes are back on the menu boys!

 

[A-Logato]

After over 25 years of lobbying, Tony Blair has finally gotten his own way re: ID cards (L / A).

Keir Starmer is going to is considering implementing compulsory "digital ID" for all citizens to address illegal migration.

Here's a mockup that Labour Together produced:

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Got a feeling dumbphone sales are about to skyrocket.

The cost to set this system up is estimated to be between £140m - £400m to set up, which we all know means it'll be at least double that.

I just lost my job due to out sourcing (probably to browns) and then this pops up on my news thread and basket weaving forum. Man I am having the best of weeks right now.

 

[Delicious Diversity]

You can't go and fetch your gun to shoot someone. Any weapon you use in self defense has to be on hand when the situation happens. If you run into your office and grab your gun then you will be done for it. I can't power level but don't trust you're allowed to use your gun in self defense even if it makes sense to you. They do not like people shooting others in self defense and will do everything they can to fuck your life up. Assume any use of your guns is illegal because the police will and the papers will run you through the muck for surviving a home invasion.

I mean, like with any case, it'll come down to the evidence presented and how good your barrister is. Citizens in the UK do have the right to arm themselves with whatever is at hand to defend themselves if they reasonably fear for their lives. A home invasion is a situation where you would reasonably fear for your life. If a curtain rod is at hand, you can grab it. If a gun is at hand, you can grab that. If you are met with an armed assailant, and you shoot him, the evidence is probably going to be in your favour.

You are wrong to say you are not allowed to go fetch your gun from its cabinet - UK law explicitly allows you to act pre-emptively if you feel you are in danger. If you hear someone breaking in, you can go get your gun. What you cannot do is sneak over to where he is and shoot him unaware. If he approaches you, and you shoot him, you have acted in the heat of the moment and the killing was lawful. The law approaches this from the angle of what a person would reasonably do if they feared for their life, not "hey guns are unfair".

I think the confusion around this comes from the fact that we do not have Castle Doctrine in the UK - you cannot just shoot someone on your property and that's that. They will weigh up the evidence to determine what you did, what the other guy did, and whether or not what you did was reasonable.

Yes certain politicians will try to slander you, yes the media will assume the worst of you, but they are not the criminal justice system.

 

[Chandiler Savant]

Kier fuming at "the constituent of Clacton" going to Trump to "badmouth the country" instead of going to PMQ. Another benchwarmer alluded to Reform being on the side of predators for opposing the OSA.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

You are wrong to say you are not allowed to go fetch your gun from its cabinet - UK law explicitly allows you to act pre-emptively if you feel you are in danger. If you hear someone breaking in, you can go get your gun. What you cannot do is sneak over to where he is and shoot him unaware. If he approaches you, and you shoot him, you have acted in the heat of the moment and the killing was lawful. The law approaches this from the angle of what a person would reasonably do if they feared for their life, not "hey guns are unfair".

I can't go into details without outing myself but you're wrong on this. If you go to get your gun to defend yourself from an outside attacker you will get in trouble and shooting them will you even more grief.

 

[Otterly]

Betting starts here on the unscrupulous zombie that's been contracted.
Oracle? SAP? OpenEdge? Fujitsu?

There should be details in whatever website is used for government contracting, which should be public. The tendering process is a good glimpse I to future horrors

Jesus Christ
The only document they should be issuing to illegals is a criminal record
What a waste of tax money

We are getting digital ID, they’ve wanted it for a long time. It’ll be rolled out for migrants and then everyone else.
Then it’ll be integrated into BritCoin or whatever digital currency wallet they like and that will get linked to some kind of GoodBoi points. Sorry pleb, you’ve bought too much meat and driven too much this month, your bank account now has negative interest, no savings for you!
Our little sliver of hope here is that the government, regardless of whether it’s wearing a blue or a red tie, has about the worst record possible with large IT projects. We cannot help but fuck them up.
We also don’t have a population register like some countries do.
It would be pretty easy to do a euro style ID, where you have a personal number and it’s on your drivers licence or type of card, but that’s not what they want.

 

[Made In Wales]

Only one more PMQ before Parliament breaks again (a week tomorrow) for the Conference season.

Had an interesting chat earlier with a now ex-Labour member who still keeps his 'ear to the ground' with the party.

Apparently, the civil war is threatening to destroy them before the Conference - lot of personal grievances spilling out and defections to Your Party cannot be ruled out... with this, Dawn Butler is apparently talking with London Labour MP's who are Black and Asian to move across to join Corbyn.

Blair is pushing Rayner to replace Starmer and there's going to be talks in Liverpool (private ones) to look at an 'exit route' for our useless PM. If this isn't successful, then I'd personally expect leaks about him to come out as it's more important for Labour to do what the NWO tell them than cater for the whims of a leader who nobody likes nor wants.

Labour are worried, their message is not resonating with the public and their pledges are now ashes.

 

[Sneedmason]

Got a feeling dumbphone sales are about to skyrocket.

Your SIM card (phone number) has to be linked to your ID when you buy it.

I'm starting to think the IDs thing is a misdirection. Get the conversation off of migrants by bringing up another problem topic and pushing that into the media.

The more honest conversation about migrants is only on the Internet and they want to censor it by tracing down the ones critical of niggers by arresting people for "hate speech". The method they use to make it easy to do so is this Internet ID, retard.