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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Gregis]

Bring up internet censorship in relation to Britain and America respectively and see what the majority of posters say.

Well, I imagine they'd say Britain has worse censorship because Ofcom demanded Null make KF unavailable to users in Britain. What agenda do you think people are pushing regarding this?

A lot of feds on farms and a lot of shills looking to push agendas and steer conversations into certain directions. Any time the same old, same old posters gang up on a talking point, you know they're were pushing an agenda.

I kind of just don't buy it...not anymore. I was actually just looking back at an old thread from four years ago and it was striking how much more diverse the viewpoints in the thunderdome used to be. But now, we segregate. The Russia and Ukraine threads are a great example of this. Consensus is just more comfortable for people, and while farmers are disagreeable enough not to just give up their own beliefs to fit in, we still partition into tribes until we tend not to regularly encounter hugely different worldviews too often. And I'm also pretty confident that, e.g., the more left-wing posters who occasionally stop by to break up the Trumptard hugbox in USPG2 and poke at the hive are not paid agents. Basically, threads take on a certain character and posters segregate themselves such that they're not actually debating that much; this would seem to give less opportunities to shape discourse and put constraints on the consensus that might be manufactured.

All that said, obviously feds are reading, and we specifically know American ones are because SIGSEG, Russians are because Roskomnadzor and the Ho Ho Holocaust, and British are because Null got the Ofcom letter when the IP blocking slipped for a day. But that's all on that basic level where we presume they're just watching everything online, for compliance and to make sure no one plans a terrorism out in the open without them noticing.

 

[Necrosan]

I kind of just don't buy it...not anymore. I was actually just looking back at an old thread from four years ago and it was striking how much more diverse the viewpoints in the thunderdome used to be. But now, we segregate. The Russia and Ukraine threads are a great example of this. Consensus is just more comfortable for people, and while farmers are disagreeable enough not to just give up their own beliefs to fit in, we still partition into tribes until we tend not to regularly encounter hugely different worldviews too often. And I'm also pretty confident that, e.g., the more left-wing posters who occasionally stop by to break up the Trumptard hugbox in USPG2 and poke at the hive are not paid agents. Basically, threads take on a certain character and posters segregate themselves such that they're not actually debating that much; this would seem to give less opportunities to shape discourse and put constraints on the consensus that might be manufactured.

I think it's given given how "us or them", things have become in general, not just here. Plus as things get more extreme people agree less so everyone ends up having their own treehouse club.

It's just a phase though. It has happened before.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Firstly, a lot of people will be absolutely destitute without it. Secondly everyone knows it’s unsustainable, but to admit that, and to stop or reduce or change the conditions means having to admit that the game is up and that will have seismic political consequences.

I don't think the higher ups in the police will be destitute without their pensions. And it doesn't excuse letting kids be raped even if they were.

I don't see any swings or anything to suggest it's specifically a playground. Just a regular walking area with paths etc in an open patch of a crappy council estate.

Playgrounds don't have to have equipment. A green area in a council estate is where kids play.

Why are you defending a paki pedophile?

Gay man who is obsessed with Britney Spears.

Aren't we all?

Didn't Null post about a sock puppet in the thread before?

But now, we segregate. The Russia and Ukraine threads are a great example of this. Consensus is just more comfortable for people, and while farmers are disagreeable enough not to just give up their own beliefs to fit in, we still partition into tribes until we tend not to regularly encounter hugely different worldviews too often. And I'm also pretty confident that, e.g., the more left-wing posters who occasionally stop by to break up the Trumptard hugbox in USPG2 and poke at the hive are not paid agents. Basically, threads take on a certain character and posters segregate themselves such that they're not actually debating that much; this would seem to give less opportunities to shape discourse and put constraints on the consensus that might be manufactured.

The farms segregates because the shit stirrers are the same as they were on /pol/ and aren't moderated away the same way they weren't on /pol/. There's no point in talking to someone who just wants to annoy people they don't like and will take any chance to bother them. I have debates in this thread with people I disagree with, but I never get the impression they're just taking positions to annoy me. And I hope they would see I don't do the same. We discuss how shit Shakespeare is and why he's torturing children from the grave and we move on afterwards having seen each other's points even if we don't agree with them. That's not what the Thunderdome trolls are like. They will argue the same thing for years like a broken record. There's nothing to be gained from talking to them so people move away from threads they're in.

 

[Made In Wales]

Oh, you saw stuff about the flags but just so happened to know who Amberlynn Reid was, and shared a video of her in her thread on your first day on KF? Yeah, sure thing.

Don't engage with this account, I'm 99% sure it's a sock of a 27 year old gay man who is obsessed with Britney Spears.

For a second, I did wonder if Omegon had joined KF.

 

[Overly Serious]

Books will be written about the past 15 years of utter ineptitude from our government.

The one thing you said I'd quibble over. More likely it'll be a chapter in larger books about the general chaos of this era. It'll be like the opening 'how we got here' couple before they get to the really big stuff. For all the malicious incompetent hubris of this specific government, it's part of a much broader picture across the West. People mention the IMF. That's bad news. Though the government would love it because then they can pretend to wash their hands of any unpopular policy decision by just saying "no choice - IMF agreement".

It's not a well-known film but Our Brand is Crisis starring Sandra Bullock is about the IMF. It's in the background most of the movie, mainly a populist candidate giving repeated promises that he wont sign a deal with the IMF. Then at the end when elected, he shuts out the people who supported him and in the last shot is sitting down with the IMF representatives in a board room..

If Reform get in as some here hope, but the IMF have got their agreements and loans in place, you'll have years ahead of you to enjoy Nigel Farage holding out his hands saying "Now, I'd like to reinstate pensions, but under the agreement Labour signed with the IMF..." or to some people's more specific topic of immigration things like "we can't cancel the Indian visas as the IMF requirements..." Nigel Farage would love it - most politicians would. Nothing is sweeter to the elected politicians than being able to say they're powerless. It's International Rules Based Order, after all.

Debt is the means of control. They can do anything to you if you owe them money. Even if you're a country.

I'm amending my plan to deploy the Royal Navy to stop the boats. Instead we deploy a series of inflatable Angela Rayners in the Channel from Falmouth to Ramsgate. I call it Operation Reversing Siren.

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If there are manufacturers of inflatable Angela Rayners, that is not a market I want to know exists.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

I remember several years ago, maybe a few decades ago, a lot of people I knew from the UK complained about how Patriotic Americans are. Well, looks like the UK could use some patriotism as the entirety of their history and culture seem to be dissolving away all in the name of Globalism. Congratulations Eurocucks, now do something about it.

Recently noticed ya snaggled toothed ones are growing fangs. Congrats, it's about fucking time; keep the momentum.

 

[The Gene Genie]

Nigel Farage would love it - most politicians would. Nothing is sweeter to the elected politicians than being able to say they're powerless. It's International Rules Based Order, after all.

This is one of the biggest reasons why the Establishment got so furious about Brexit, because they could no longer throw their hands up and blame Brussels for everything anymore and would have to actually take responsibility for the wrecking of the country.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

The IMF would ask for the NHS to be dismantled immediately due to the cost. This is good because that band-aid needs pulling. I think Starmer would announce a GE, thinking a post-IMF UK would kill Nigel but it would benefit him because it's somewhat of a blank slate. I don't support him, but it is better than what we currently have. Interestingly, he is copying Lowe's talking points now.

 

[Susan-O]

This sad poodle is either the dumbest person on earth or his advisors fucking hate him:
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[Overly Serious]

The IMF would ask for the NHS to be dismantled immediately due to the cost. This is good because that band-aid needs pulling. I think Starmer would announce a GE, thinking a post-IMF UK would kill Nigel but it would benefit him because it's somewhat of a blank slate. I don't support him, but it is better than what we currently have. Interestingly, he is copying Lowe's talking points now.

I think even if the government can balance the books without the IMF, they'd want it for that reason. The amount of shit they could pull if they could just put the blame on someone else is unbelievable.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I would say it's like a dam that is already damaged. You can try all you can, but it will break one day. The problem is that all the cracks are interwoven with one another, being our enormous civil service.

 

[The Gene Genie]

The IMF would ask for the NHS to be dismantled immediately due to the cost. This is good because that band-aid needs pulling. I think Starmer would announce a GE, thinking a post-IMF UK would kill Nigel but it would benefit him because it's somewhat of a blank slate. I don't support him, but it is better than what we currently have. Interestingly, he is copying Lowe's talking points now.

I actually disagree that they'd call a GE before 2029 short of an absolute collapse of the Labour Party. After the total disaster of this Government there are no "safe" Labour seats anymore. The only way a GE gets called is if there is a mass splitting of the Labour Party, which would enable Reform and the Tories, as well as the splitter party, to call for a motion of no confidence

 

[Kofi Drinka]

I think even if the government can balance the books without the IMF, they'd want it for that reason. The amount of shit they could pull if they could just put the blame on someone else is unbelievable.

How is that different to the last 15 years?

Labour : It's the Tories fault
Tories : It's the EU's fault

 

[Overly Serious]

How is that different to the last 15 years?

Labour : It's the Tories fault
Tories : It's the EU's fault

It's different only in that the potato is getting hotter rather than cooler, and they need someone new to pass it to. They can't pass it to the EU anymore and in any case, the countries of the EU are seeing their own rising anger amongst the people. The IMF is perfect because it's a big faceless entity with no discernible point of attack but mysteriously the power of all Western governments behind it. Politicians can be removed, parties brought down, domestic institutions shaken. But you'll find it very hard to disengage from the IMF when it has its fingers in every domestic financial instrument and the country's bureaucracies. It'll be like fighting smoke, and they'll make you choose between national destruction or doing what they tell you in a way in a game of chicken beyond anything before now.

Bachman Turner Overdrive "You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet" begins to play.

 

[Russian Bot #5361]

The farms segregates because the shit stirrers are the same as they were on /pol/ and aren't moderated away the same way they weren't on /pol/. There's no point in talking to someone who just wants to annoy people they don't like and will take any chance to bother them. I have debates in this thread with people I disagree with, but I never get the impression they're just taking positions to annoy me. And I hope they would see I don't do the same. We discuss how shit Shakespeare is and why he's torturing children from the grave and we move on afterwards having seen each other's points even if we don't agree with them. That's not what the Thunderdome trolls are like. They will argue the same thing for years like a broken record. There's nothing to be gained from talking to them so people move away from threads they're in.

I agree, I think the net benefit of having this space being open is that we can disagree with one another — god knows I strongly disagree with much of what is said on this thread — without resorting to rage-bating or low-level squabbling over innate crap. I quite enjoy the culture of discussion here and believe that the disagreements in this thread are what make it better. Moreover, I think it's quite easy to see who the low-IQ ideologues / rage baiters are and to simply ignore them. Overall, I think this thread is pretty cozy and I love arguing with all of you loveable spergs.

Also, I have a confession to make, despite earlier defending the teaching of Shakespeare in schools, I personally don't quite like much of his works.

I actually disagree that they'd call a GE before 2029 short of an absolute collapse of the Labour Party. After the total disaster of this Government there are no "safe" Labour seats anymore. The only way a GE gets called is if there is a mass splitting of the Labour Party, which would enable Reform and the Tories, as well as the splitter party, to call for a motion of no confidence

I agree with you wholeheartedly. Short of a crisis in Government or mass rioting in the streets calling for a general election, I can't see that Labour would be stupid enough to call a General Election anytime soon, as it is political suicide. Moreover, I think the UK seriously needs to stop this trend of calling General Elections every few years because things aren't going according to plan. There's something to be said that those who are voted into power should at least be given a chance to rule for a reasonable amount of time before they get booted out. I think this trend of short mandates, political instability, and constant General Elections is extremely harmful to the UK in the long-term, as the difficult decisions that hurt in the short-term and will profit in the long, will always be side-lined, as the powers that be will be too afraid of losing their popularity and by extension their right to rule. It may fucking suck to have Kier Starmer in charge, and yes his policies are indeed gay and retarded, but people voted for it, and we have to respect, and suffer, it.

 

[Otterly]

Well, if we get BOTH the GE and the Warwick thread it’ll be a turn up.

The IMF would ask for the NHS to be dismantled immediately due to the cost. This is good because that band-aid needs pulling.

The NHS is a behemoth, bits of it are OK, and most of it isn’t. They have wanted to carve it up and flog it off for years. I’d much rather reform it; I do not trust the government or the IMF to put anything remotely beneficial in place. We won’t be getting the kind of scandi public/private system, we will be getting genuine two tier healthcare or, God forbid, American style insurance. Once that’s in place it’s more for the control grid - lose your job? No more healthcare, and we can make you lose your job so easily if you say the wrong things. Americans have a totally different job market to us; they can hire and fire more easily, and they’re paid a lot more. We are a low wage high tax economy, and insurance here would be a disaster IMO.
And remember; entire councils are being bankrupted by the social care needed to keep inbred consanguineous marriage babies alive, and the influx of translation needs and massive social care costs that third world imports bring. We need to get rid of about ten million recent in Omer’s
The NHS is on its knees for several reasons as are the other systems, but one is the change in ratio of those who put in to those who take out. Some of that is an ageing population, but a big chunk is too many non-net-contributor taxpayers. If we could get rid of even just everyone who has arrived recently we’d be billions of pounds a year better off - we are being bled dry. There’s a whole hospital in wales that’s not operating on native Brits at all - only the migrants.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I agree on that part massively, the UK needs to also review extensively its working visas. You don't need them for nurses because the number of NQNs is in the hundreds of thousands. The work the next government has though, is gargantuan.

 

[Nopenopenope]

I think whether the IMF demand it or not, in the event of a bailout it's going to be means-tested state pension (only lifelong benefits claimants will get it) and some curtailment of the NHS.

I've got ages until I'm state pension age so for me it's just really fucking annoying thinking how much tax etc I've paid just for it to evaporate overnight, for someone close to retiring it might be a serious problem. You base your savings/retirement etc on a certain guaranteed income, just to be told fuck you that money is for boat niggers now, thanks for your lifetime contribution so Ngubu can become a Uber eats driver.

NHS being nuked might be good medium to long term. It is unsalvageable, it burns a colossal amount of money yet nothing works. I don't know what the solution is there, privatisation hasn't worked for most other major utilities so seems risky to just hand it over and hope for the best.

Of course, any money needed for immigrants will be unlimited in these scenarios, that is one thing that absolutely cannot be cut.

 

[ghj123]

I kind of just don't buy it...not anymore. I was actually just looking back at an old thread from four years ago and it was striking how much more diverse the viewpoints in the thunderdome used to be. But now, we segregate.

Because segregation is more profitable. The agenda to push into diversity of thought is bullshit when the thought isn't diverse. People in general on and off the internet just want the dopamine rush of correct beliefs and forums have been collateral damage in that change in the human collective consciousness.

Well, I imagine they'd say Britain has worse censorship because Ofcom demanded Null make KF unavailable to users in Britain. What agenda do you think people are pushing regarding this?

That censorship isn't coming to the west. It is coming to the west and each country is doing their part for the experiment to see how well it works. You Brits have ofcom and meany twitter words, we Americans have talking points removed from social media and bombardment of our infotainment networks.
Look at the divisive topics that only had one right answer in the minds of the masses. Biden was good, kamala bad. J6 bad, assassination attempt good. Trump good for deportations, epstein list doesn't exist. Putin bad, Israel good. etc.

All of that is censorship. No different from Bongs getting jail time for pointing out the invasion from muslim hordes.

Censorship is boiling the frog slowly not just cutting out large swathes of the internet on a whim. Slowly but surely face recognition and ID checks are becoming the norm for games, the internet and banking. Which group of people will say "nothing to hide so why not give details away", one group will say "Heck no will I give my details away". That's censorship that all of the west want.

The IMF would ask for the NHS to be dismantled immediately due to the cost. This is good because that band-aid needs pulling.

If you Brits sell your hospital service, you may as well become American. Big pharma will eat you guys alive, forcing you to pay through the nose while giving free healthcare to the invaders.
The NHS is one thing I envied about Britain and it despite my countrymen saying it was socialist policies, it was in reality it was the example of true freedom within a country.

 

[FedPostalService]

I agree on that part massively, the UK needs to also review extensively its working visas. You don't need them for nurses because the number of NQNs is in the hundreds of thousands. The work the next government has though, is gargantuan.

Don’t forget the student visas. Higher education is essentially becoming a human trafficking scheme with massive amounts of visa fraud being committed