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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Made In Wales]

Some Midday news (beware of paywalls):


Helicopter crashes in field on Isle of Wight as locals urged to stay away:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/isle-wight-helicopter-crash-field-shanklin

https://archive.ph/wip/mGqhs

Cash-strapped council uses AI to determine if pensioners should go into care:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/derby-news-council-aritifical-intelligence-pensioners-care

https://archive.ph/wip/M3GC9

Winter Fuel Payment reform to strip 600,000 disabled pensioners of energy bill support due to 'complex' rules:

https://www.gbnews.com/money/winter-fuel-payment-disabled-pensioner-energy-bill

https://archive.ph/wip/fwg0e

Angela Rayner 'on manoeuvres' as she moves to block Sadiq Khan from returning as MP:

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/angela-rayner-sadiq-khan-block-returning-mp

https://archive.ph/wip/oBu17

Sting, 73, 'being sued for millions' by former The Police bandmates over royalties dispute:

https://www.gbnews.com/celebrity/sting-sued-millions-the-police-bandmates-royalties

https://archive.ph/wip/rqKZQ

Seven in ten Britons say Keir Starmer is handling migration badly bombshell new data reveals:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-crisis-seven-in-ten-britons-keir-starmer

https://archive.ph/wip/4CGyd

NHS trust issues apology after 'Zionism is Poison' posters put up in hospital:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/nhs-trust-apology-zionism-posters-hospital

https://archive.ph/wip/HOB6A

Scottish Police officers receive ENGLISH lessons amid fears of falling standards in fresh recruits:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/police-scotland-officers-english-lessons

https://archive.ph/ZNFiM

We are ruled by an 800-pound gorilla that shields sex offenders, activist lawyers and open borders - Chris Philp:

https://www.gbnews.com/opinion/echr-court-uk-migrant-crisis

https://archive.ph/Jyltj

 

[Otterly]

Is anyone in the thread calling it out explicitly for being an op? I didn't read too far into the comments. Also, on mumsnet where do you see the stickers to know whether you agree with what the person said or if they're a jew?

I don’t think MN is quite that aware yet. I used to make a note of accounts i thought were suspect, there’s a LOT of journalistic lifting if articles wholesale, clearly several budding fiction writers, and quite a few accounts that always seem to comment in a very pro government way on any of these temp taking accounts. They’ve always been there, recently (as in the last ten years) they seem to be more creating opinion kind of thing than gauging it. I suspect that mirrors the shift from politicians having some interns monitor what the proles are saying so they can poll well to the behavioural insights lot actively astroturfing.
Really I should apply for a job there, they make a lot of mistakes in how they pitch the astroturfing and it alienates people.
Mumsnet doesn’t have stickers. I think net mums might*

Seven in ten Britons say Keir Starmer is handling migration badly bombshell new data reveals:

The other three, recently arrived on boats, think he’s great

* judean people’s front/people’s front of judea, yes

 

[FedPostalService]

I am Catholic. The fish on Friday's thing has always been a direct reference to jews.

Christians eat fish on a Friday, mainly Catholics still do it. It’s in reverence of the crucifixion.

Since Jews don’t recognise Jesus as the messiah they typically don’t have this tradition.

You’re not much of a catholic if you don’t get fish on a Friday.

Cash-strapped council uses AI to determine if pensioners should go into care:

As someone who is implementing AI and is a big fan of it who hates the moral panic about it I can safely say that this will be an utter disaster and will cost lives.

Police officers receive ENGLISH lessons amid fears of falling standards in fresh recruits:

Take a look at who they’re hiring. They establishment are bringing in foreign auxiliaries.

 

[Gregis]

I used to make a note of accounts i thought were suspect

I'm curious, do you ever suspect stuff like that anywhere on KF? We were just talking about that in USPG2, I am skeptical, but one guy felt 30-50% of the users there are feds/shills.

 

[Russian Bot #5361]

Really I should apply for a job there, they make a lot of mistakes in how they pitch the astroturfing and it alienates people.

You'll have to get through security vetting and have to disclose all of your online accounts, but the money is good and the pension is cozy. As long as you're happy selling your soul to the devil that is Government and glowing in the dark, it's not too bad.

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/section/careers/working-for-gchq

I'm curious, do you ever suspect stuff like that anywhere on KF?

It's almost guaranteed that this is happening. It's a given that individual posters will all have their own narratives / agendas that they are trying to push, but organisations take it to the next level. If you pay attention to what happened to /pol/ and pretty much all online political spaces, they are routinely used and abused by groups trying to spread their narratives and it becomes a war of who can astroturf and derail threads the fastest. The biggest problem is that there's so much plausible deniability that it's impossible to stamp out.

I'm not just talking about the usual suspects, Russians and Israelis, pretty much every group partakes in this behaviour from troons to neo-nazis. The internet has created an ideological battleground and organisations are in constant conflict in attempting to control public discussion. A good way of trying to spot it is by thinking about what a poster is implying / asserting with their words and what conclusion they are trying to lead the reader to. Also, always be suspicious of anything that calls for action or is purposefully inflammatory — this is one of the big reasons why I hate legacy media because they are constantly outrage baiting for clicks, think GBNEWS' 50th headline of the week with the words "OUTRAGEOUS", "SLAMS", or "DESTROYS".

 

[Muad'Dick]

Christian’s eat fish on a Friday, mainly catholics still do it. It’s in reverence of thr crucifixion.

Since Jews don’t recognise Jesus as the messiah they typically don’t have this tradition.

You’re not much of a catholic if you don’t get fish on a Friday.

I've been using the phrase for over forty years. I got it from my family. I've heard plenty of other people say it during my lifetime too.

If you knew anything about Catholicism you'd know that abstaining from carnis on a Friday has nothing to do with the symbology of Christ, but there you go.

Jews absolutely do have that tradition. Particularly the Ashkenazi community.

I can keep arguing until you hit the block button like a fag if you want.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

The Taking Of the Social Tenperature has continued. Look at this thread from mumsnet:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5397991-to-be-devasted-the-roundabout-in-my-town-has-a-crappy-flag-painted-on

https://archive.is/KEy91 (still saving give it a minute)

This is pure behavioural insights. ‘Devastated.’ ‘The roundabout on my town.’ Like there’s a dedicated town roundabout. This is a temperature taking thread, where a ‘hello fellow kids, I too am a humble mummy’ type is gauging reaction.
Only read a few pages of comments but plenty of ‘fuck off’ type sentiment.
Encouraging. Statistics will be being run on this thread to see what kind of responses it gets

This reads like Reddit fanfiction or the nudge unit. All it missed was the clapping when she phoned the council.

I'm curious, do you ever suspect stuff like that anywhere on KF? We were just talking about that in USPG2, I am skeptical, but one guy felt 30-50% of the users there are feds/shills.

The poster above you is suspect. There will be glowies on the farms. It doesn't matter as long as they're not able to steer the culture. If they can't make it too boring to read or too gay to want to read they're wasting their time.

 

[Overly Serious]

I don’t think MN is quite that aware yet. I used to make a note of accounts i thought were suspect, there’s a LOT of journalistic lifting if articles wholesale, clearly several budding fiction writers, and quite a few accounts that always seem to comment in a very pro government way on any of these temp taking accounts. They’ve always been there, recently (as in the last ten years) they seem to be more creating opinion kind of thing than gauging it. I suspect that mirrors the shift from politicians having some interns monitor what the proles are saying so they can poll well to the behavioural insights lot actively astroturfing.
Really I should apply for a job there, they make a lot of mistakes in how they pitch the astroturfing and it alienates people.
Mumsnet doesn’t have stickers. I think net mums might*

The other three, recently arrived on boats, think he’s great

* judean people’s front/people’s front of judea, yes

This one made me chuckle:


Yep - the reason you're seeing England flags up and down the country is because Tommy Robinson is funding them. The man has deep pockets!

You'll have to get through security vetting and have to disclose all of your online accounts, but the money is good and the pension is cozy. As long as you're happy selling your soul to the devil that is Government and glowing in the dark, it's not too bad.

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/section/careers/working-for-gchq

On the other hand, any place you work that has a dedicated service you can go to if you start having ethical worries, should make you at least stop and think about the work you're doing.

 

[Otterly]

I'm curious, do you ever suspect stuff like that anywhere on KF? We were just talking about that in USPG2, I am skeptical, but one guy felt 30-50% of the users there are feds/shills.

Oh yes, definitely. 50% no, but there’s definitely a few on here. Quite a few who just make one or two posts then just sort of fade off, like ‘nah sorry you’re not quite up to this.’ I’d love to know if I’m right, and don’t ping me anyone asking if you’re on my list because I’m not saying.
That MN post is a good example. ‘The roundabout in my town.’ Nobody says that. Everywhere’s full of roundabouts. You’d say ‘the one up the road from me’ or ‘I pass a load of roundabouts on the way to drop the kids off - two have crosses on.’ They are clumsy with the use of keywords, and even clumsier with the use of keyword linking, which is the real skill. Being able to argue people round to your point of view without them even realising you’re arguing is a skill.

You'll have to get through security vetting and have to disclose all of your online accounts, but the money is good and the pension is cozy. As long as you're happy selling your soul to the devil that is Government and glowing in the dark, it's not too bad.

https://www.gchq.gov.uk/section/careers/working-for-gchq

There’s nothing about me that I’d consider to be ‘bad’ for it. Other than a hefty dose of wrong think.
You know, I actually considered applying to intelligence when I’d done my PhD. At the time they were really after the math graduates in what was clearly specific areas and it was all London postings (yuck) so I never did.
The more I see of the BI the more I think I’d be pretty good at it. they’re often very sloppy and repetitive and young in how they phrase and argue. I could do better. Cheltenham is nice as well. I’d live round there.
Probably a bit old now and I’m sure that posting in here that the government are a bunch of scoundrels would see me canned at the first hurdle, but I do genuinely love Britain and if I was shown a rationale (I am not easy to lie to) I might. I would, very genuinely, do a lot for my country.
Trouble is that ‘placate your countrymen so that we can genocide them’ is not a rationale I’d accept It’s a shame intelligence is being weaponised against the people it’s supposed to protect. I do wonder what they tell them.
GCHQ know exactly who I am (and all of us are anyway), if they ever wanted to recruit and so far there’s never been a tap on the shoulder. I did go to uni with someone whose other half got the tap though. Nice chap. Mathematics PhD in something that appeared to be shenanigans related so it was that or hedge funds.
@Overly Serious well, I already work somewhere with an ethics hotline, can it be MORE malevolent than pharma?

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Yep - the reason you're seeing England flags up and down the country is because Tommy Robinson is funding them. The man has deep pockets!

Tommy Robinson's whore is open for business again. He never had a problem pimping white women to muslim men to fund his projects. Wouldn't put it past him to be pimping kids as well.

 

[Gregis]

The poster above you is suspect.

Lol, I know you have problems with him. He doesn't quite strike me that way. He gets triggered by posts slagging off Britain in favor of America, and then hits back in a way that's performative but doesn't just seem staged. Honestly, you two have a bit in common.

 

[JaanTaam]

Uh, how cold are Scottish summers, that the girl is wearing a puffer North Face parka? Or is North Face some kind of teenage gangbanger symbol across the pond?

Scotland doesn't have summers. It's winter, spring, shitty weather, autumn then back to winter.

Update- axe girl has been charged. Twitter comments are saying she was defending herself from a pedo or rapist (because the man filming talks in a foreign accent) but why would a pedo or rapist choose a victim holding a fucking axe and machete (she has no bag to store them in and pull them out of, so she would be holding them the whole time which everyone would see) in daylight in an open space with buildings and vehicles all around?? I know people dislike browns but she must have been the one to approach him?

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/3410432/dundee-ann-street-police/

https://archive.ph/vtZCn

 

[Otterly]

What happened to /pol/ is a case where they really did succeed. Infiltration and changing minds didn’t work, but flooding to the point of uselessness does. You can see similar tactics used on here - certain threads send a flag up and people descend and start derailing, or steering, or baiting.
The tone of this thread for example has changed quite a bit from when it was first started, but any thread with certain ideas or words in attracts them. It’s inevitable. The culture of the place is a decent innoculant though.
I also suspect we have at least one reasonably senior political figure in here, as well as the apparatchik level aligned with a specific party. I have suspicions, but who knows, maybe I’m wrong

 

[Chandiler Savant]

I'm curious, do you ever suspect stuff like that anywhere on KF? We were just talking about that in USPG2, I am skeptical, but one guy felt 30-50% of the users there are feds/shills.

The last batches of pages in this thread has had many BRIGHT individuals, with really profound thoughts too hot for a single post. I imagine it's an attempt to bait members to change subject/ragebait, but the farms doesn't have a defined demographic to influence properly.

 

[Feathers McGraw]

I also suspect we have at least one reasonably senior political figure in here, as well as the apparatchik level aligned with a specific party. I have suspicions, but who knows, maybe I’m wrong

Tbf it's not like @Kier Starmer tries to hide it.

 

[Russian Bot #5361]

What level of clearance is that for? Any check I’ve done over the years was basic criminal, sometimes financial but never down to a social media account level? I can see that if you’re going to work upstairs but by then you’re already disclosing your entire live and the lives of your extended family.

It's required for pretty much any Police vetting — they have their own process, want to stamp out wrong-think within the organisation, and look for criminal links — and any position requiring Developed Vetting, for aforementioned reasons and because they want to prevent blackmail and foreign influences.

 

[BongoMongo]

I can confirm that Tommy himself contacted me to tell me he would pay me to hang up a St George's Cross. Absolutely 100% what happened.

If anyone is retarded enough to believe this then they're, alas,too stupid to do the needful and off themselves.

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Lol, I know you have problems with him. He doesn't quite strike me that way. He gets triggered by posts slagging off Britain in favor of America, and then hits back in a way that's performative but doesn't just seem staged. Honestly, you two have a bit in common.

Do you trust people telling you how ENGLISH and DRUNK Muslims are? I don't. It's a nudge squad or it's an idiot who's friends with Muslims so probably is brown. You shouldn't trust any one trying to humanize child rapists.

Scotland has hot weather right now. It's the same as England but wet and damp so it feels even hotter. Like being in a Sauna with a haggis and a battered mars bar.

Update- axe girl has been charged. Twitter comments are saying she was defending herself from a pedo or rapist (because the man filming talks in a foreign accent) but why would a pedo or rapist choose a victim holding a fucking axe and machete (she has no bag to store them in and pull them out of, so she would be holding them the whole time which everyone would see) in daylight in an open space with buildings and vehicles all around?? I know people dislike browns but she must have been the one to approach him?

This is going to make people very angry. A little girl ran home to get a knife to protect her sister from a pedo and the police went after the girl and not the pedo. They just can't help themselves can they?

If your children need to carry an axe to defend themselves from foreign predators the problem is not the children.

What happened to /pol/ is a case where they really did succeed. Infiltration and changing minds didn’t work, but flooding to the point of uselessness does. You can see similar tactics used on here - certain threads send a flag up and people descend and start derailing, or steering, or baiting.
The tone of this thread for example has changed quite a bit from when it was first started, but any thread with certain ideas or words in attracts them. It’s inevitable. The culture of the place is a decent innoculant though.
I also suspect we have at least one reasonably senior political figure in here, as well as the apparatchik level aligned with a specific party. I have suspicions, but who knows, maybe I’m wrong

Depends which /pol/ you mean. They used slightly different tactics but the most common one is calling everyone who disagrees with them shills while posting controversial opinions. So now everyone is hunting for the Jewish shills and any disagreement is proof the Jews ruined /pol/ by shilling.

Don't tell everyone I'm head of the Labour party! We might disagree on things here and there but you don't have to rat me out like that. I think we also have a friendly lawyer. A few too many upper class twats who just want to say tranny but can't among their peers.

foreign influences.

I thought the police were trying extra hard to recruit foreigners into the police? All they ever want is browns, blacks and white women. It's like they have a police woman rape porn industry going. Probably recruit from the rape gangs to get their star actors.

 

[Otterly]

What level of clearance is that for? Any check I’ve done over the years was basic criminal, sometimes financial but never down to a social media account level? I can see that if you’re going to work upstairs but by then you’re already disclosing your entire live and the lives of your extended family.

I only know one person who has gone through it but they checked him, his entire family, and to the point where people he worked with, and people he’d done academic collaborations with got visits. Even his girlfriend’s co authors on some papers (one was Russian.)
This was a few decades ago, I’m sure their ability to cast the net wide has only improved.

the farms doesn't have a defined demographic to influence properly.

A very good point. I’d argue that what counts as a demographic for mental warfare isn’t necessarily what the bean counters and academics think it is. A certain personality type is over represented here for sure, but I’d bet that breaking them down by traditional demographics would not work so well.

 

[Crunkle]

the reason you're seeing England flags up and down the country is because Tommy Robinson is funding them. The man has deep pockets!

You always see this with the #FBPE and anti-Russia people. They're always desperate to paint opposition as one opposing force. Probably makes it easier for them to demonise. I do the same thing with Jews, tbf.

What we're seeing now is an assortment of people across the country ranging from EDL/BNP types to average Tory voter to dejected teenager to actual migrant (who joined the queue properly) all joining in. The flags wouldn't work if the government didn't bring all of these issues to a head at once. Economy, immigration, unemployment, food prices, inflation, mortgage rates, pensions. All of that is hitting the same fever pitch and the Government are seen as anti-British, so that's why the flags seem to be so powerful at the moment. At least in my eyes.

Councils tearing down the flags and fighting against the Epping court ruling is just returning fire and it won't calm things down at all. Books will be written about the past 15 years of utter ineptitude from our government.