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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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@Marvin when you get back are you gonna make a big ol thread about your trip like mindless observer?
Probably not, because I doubt I'll encounter anything particularly mind blowing. I've been visiting friends in Bongland once or twice annually for the past few years.

Mostly just hanging out in Sheffield.

If I encounter anything distinctive, I'll be sure to make note of it.
 
Still, am I wrong in my understanding that commie nonsense is way more explicit and open in the UK?
We're still full and you still need to fuck off. This applies to all Americans. We've replaced our McDonalds with Costas, there is nothing here for you any more!

Commie nonsense is kept to the back streets. Every town will have a small area with a bunch of lefty twats larping as communists and putting up stickers. Every one else thinks they're stupid, spotty geeks and we laugh at them. They lack any back bone and sit around doing fuck all in their grubby halls. The Young Ones is worth watching to see how they portray Rik in it. He's based on the communist youth and he's as accurate today as he was back then. He's based on the writer and his mates making fun of themselves but it's a masterful character with the right actor to back it up.
 
Some news this morning from Bongland:


Sir Keir Starmer has indicated that the police should have greater transparency over the ethnicity of criminal suspects involved in high-profile cases:




Teen died in care after imposter staff member left her unsupervised before fleeing the country:




Football players set to take legal action against Fifa as they seek new powers in the sport:




British man 'reunited with handcuffs' after Left-wing activists aided escape from US migrant detention centre:




US Congressmen speak to GB News after holding talks with Nigel Farage about Britain’s free speech crisis: 'It's frightening':




The Repair Shop's Jay Blades charged with rape:




'My energy bills are so high I asked the council to buy back my flat':


 
>even YouGov have to put their push-poll number at a mere 45%
>headline copes it's only about "illegal" immigration
It's so over Ummahbros...
Is there public support for large-scale removals of migrants?

Public attitudes towards immigration are heavily influenced by the belief that most migration to the UK is 'illegal’​

Polling on immigration typically focusses on attitudes towards the level of new arrivals. But polls rarely cover another possibility of public opinion – that not only do people want immigration highly curtailed, but that they might also want to see large-scale removals of migrants.

One person who holds such a desire is Rupert Lowe, a view which brought him into conflict with Nigel Farage during his brief stint as a Reform UK MP, given the party leader had told GB News that it is a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people.

However, a new YouGov poll testing attitudes to several immigration scenarios has found that almost half of Britons (45%) say they would support “admitting no more new migrants, and requiring large numbers of migrants who came to the UK in recent years to leave” – a figure which rises to 86% of Reform UK voters, but also encompasses sizeable minorities of Labour and Lib Dem voters (27% apiece).

On the face of it, this is an extraordinary finding, coming as it does at a time when immigration is a key focus of government and public attention. However, a more detailed examination of attitudes shows a nuanced picture, suggesting that much of this apparent hostility may stem from a simple misconception.

Are more migrants in the UK legally or illegally?​

Key to understanding this finding is the belief among the public that immigration to the UK is primarily ‘illegal’ rather than ‘legal’. Our research shows that almost half of Britons (47%) think there are more migrants staying in the UK illegally rather than legally, including fully a third of the public (32%) who think the illegal figure is “much higher”.

Crucially, this view is held by 72% of those who want to see mass removals. However, these perceptions appear to be wide of the mark.

Estimates of the population of illegal migrants living in the UK range from 120,000 to 1.3 million, with Reform UK’s Zia Yusuf recently putting the figure at 1.2 million.

Regardless of which figure from this range is chosen, it does not come close to the number of migrants living in the UK legally, with 2021/2022 census data putting the entire foreign-born population of the UK at 10.7 million.

Do those who say they want to see large numbers of migrants removed​

If the British public dramatically overestimate the number of illegal migrants to the UK to the extent that they think that most migrants are here illegally, then the possibility arises that, in reality, those who support removals don’t want to see the bulk of migrants removed.

To check this possibility, we tested attitudes towards specific types of migrants among those who want to see large-scale removals.

Unsurprisingly, those who want to see mass deportations almost universally want to see removals of those who come to the UK to claim benefits (91%), small boat migrants (90%), and those coming without work visas to work in unskilled jobs (85%).

However, these numbers fall dramatically when it comes to other groups. A much-reduced 39% of deportation supporters say they want to see large-scale removals of asylum seekers who came to the UK via the correct legal process; 26% want to see workers with work visas coming to work in industries with skills shortages removed en masse; and at its lowest level 19-20% want to see migrants coming on work visas to work as doctors or nurses to be asked to leave.

If we recalculate those figures to show them as a proportion of the whole population, rather than just as a proportion of those who support deportations, we can see that the number of Britons who answered that they want deportations AND that this includes small boat asylum seekers stands at the equivalent of 38% of the general public.* Similarly high are the equivalent national figures for those coming to claim benefits (38%) and those coming without work visas to work in unskilled jobs (36%).

By contrast, that equivalent national figure falls to 16% for asylum seekers following the correct legal process, 11% for migrants coming to work in areas with skills shortages, and 8% for migrants working as doctors and nurses.

A separate question more broadly examining positivity towards different migrant groups finds similar results, with negativity among mass-deportation proponents falling from 93% for small boats migrants to 44% for migrants coming to the UK legally looking for work, and 26% for foreign students.

How far does desire to reduce immigration persist when faced with economic trade-offs?​

Removing immigrants would not happen in a vacuum, with many foreigners working in areas that the UK currently has difficulty filling vacancies for.

Our study posed trade-offs to the public, asking them to pick between reducing legal migration and its potential adverse consequences, or the more economically beneficial alternative, but at the cost of higher legal migration.

In each case, Britons tend to choose the economically beneficial trade off. Six in ten opt for getting enough workers in areas with skills shortages over reducing legal migration; 59% likewise prioritised attracting the “best and brightest” to the UK; 52% did so for “improving the UK economy”; and 41% preferred to increase the numbers of people in the UK paying tax (higher than the 30% taking the opposite view that reducing legal migration is the higher priority).

Additionally, 67% of Britons say ensuring the NHS is fully staffed, even if it means legal migration increases, is preferable to the opposite.

While not an economic trade off, the public are also more likely to prefer to meet Britain’s legal international humanitarian options, even at the cost of higher legal migration (44%), than to break those obligations in order to reduce inflows of migrants (32%).

Of these scenarios, only the NHS staffing issue proves compelling to those who initially say they want to see large numbers of migrants removed. In this case, 29% say they prioritise reducing legal migration to the UK if this means NHS services suffer staffing shortages, with 47% instead opting to preserve the health service.

Otherwise, this group are evenly split when the trade-offs are over wider skills shortages and attracting the best and brightest, and are more likely to favour lowering immigration even if the trade-offs were the economy getting worse or fewer people to pay tax in the UK. Most also prefer to break Britain’s legal international humanitarian obligations to reduce migrant numbers.

What do attitudes to migration look like when the distinction between legal and illegal migration is made?​

Given there is such a widespread misconception that migration to the UK is primarily illegal, it is worth re-examining general attitudes towards immigration when making the distinction between the two ‘types’ of migrants.

The main YouGov immigration trackers ask A. whether the level of immigration into Britain over the last ten years has been too high (the majority say it has); and B. the level of immigration into Britain over the last ten years has been good or bad for the country (a plurality say it has been bad).

When we ask instead about “illegal immigration” and “legal immigration” separately, the response rates differ markedly between the two types. Fully 79% of Britons say there has been too much illegal migration to the UK, far higher than the 48% who say the level of legal migration has been too high – although this is still a significant level of scepticism, with only 29% saying the level of legal migration has been “about right” and just 8% considering it too low.

When it comes to whether types of migration have been good for the UK, it is unsurprising to again see the majority saying that illegal migration has been bad for the UK (66%). However, this becomes the minority view for legal migration; only 22% of Britons see this as having been bad for the UK, with the remainder split between considering it mostly good (36%) or being both good and bad for the country (33%).

We also went a step beyond our usual tracker questions, to look at the impact Britons think immigration has had on specific areas of daily life in the UK.

Across all ten areas we asked about, when it comes to illegal immigration there is a net negative response to each. However, the extent varies dramatically, with the response least negative for sport (-15) and food (-25) and most negative for crime (-69) and housing (-72).

When it comes to legal migrants, the story is more mixed. There is net positivity to the contributions made by legal migrants when it comes to sport (+15), food (+13) and the economy (+5). Even here, however, there is still particularly strong negativity towards legal migration when it comes to housing (-41).

A plurality of Britons are concerned that legal migrants do not share British values​

In both the case of illegal and legal immigrants, there is a negative net view in terms of their impact on British culture (-50 for illegal migrants and -13 for legal migrants) and society (-54 for illegal migrants and -9 for legal migrants).

This seems to stem from a sense held by many that migrants do not share British values, and are not integrating into British society.

Almost seven in ten Britons (69%) feel that illegal migrants do not share the same values as British people, and the number who say the same of legal migrants (43%) notably outstrips the number who disagree (32%).

Likewise, almost three quarters (73%) think that illegal migrants are not successfully being integrated into British society, while the public are closely divided on whether the same is true of legal migrants – 43% think they are, 41% say they are not.

So while it is clear that legal migration dramatically outweighs illegal migration, that is not to say that if only the public could be made aware of this fact then immigration would disappear as an issue.

After all, Britons tend to think that legal immigration has been too high as well, and the concerns that many people have extend beyond the economic terms in which immigration is typically justified – anyone seeking to address the issue will need to engage with deeper anxieties about identity, integration, and the perceived erosion of shared national values.

* please note that this is not the same as saying national support for removal of small boat asylum seekers stands at 38%, as this follow-up question was only asked to those who support large-scale removals of migrants. Rather, what we are saying is that the number of deportations supporters who also support deporting members of this group specifically is equivalent in size to 38% of the whole public.

If the question had been asked to all respondents, rather than only those who say they supported large numbers of deportations, it is possible that some who otherwise oppose deportations in general may have made exceptions for specific groups.
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I know most people might be kneejerk about telling those worried about NHS staff shortages to fuck off, but inversely you can just tell them there won't be a staff shortage because there'd be much fewer patients to worry about when you kick all the immigrants out, and then point to Birmingham as an example of how they're making the system actively worse for everybody. The top 3 concerns for people (NHS, labour shortages and "attracting the best minds") are issues that are self-solving if you kick fuckers out, since labour represents production, which meets demand, and demand goes down if there's fewer people, requiring less production and therefore fewer jobs in need of filling. Importing people to "pay taxes" and "improve the economy" are pretty much evil-tier-ass reasons to import people and the reason we're in this mess to begin with.

Edit: If you add the "no new migrants" together with the "no new migrants + removal of those here" you get 77% btw.
2nd Edit: Also, I've never seen Yougov have an asterisk beside a poll before demarcating the actual percentage of the population represented by the statistic before. It's likely to reassure some people people who hold these views are in the minority, which feels like cope. Most of this feels like cope actually. They're trying to argue the percentage they're worried about is based on misinfo.
 
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45% of Britons say they would support an immigration scenario whereby no more new migrants were admitted, and large numbers of recent migrants were required to leave - but what do they mean by that?​

You know you're dealing with thickos or the deliberately obtuse when, given a clear and plain statement, they confess confusion. Indeed, what does a man mean when he says "get out of my house"? It's such a confusing world. Surely economic factors are to blame.
 
You know you're dealing with thickos or the deliberately obtuse when, given a clear and plain statement, they confess confusion. Indeed, what does a man mean when he says "get out of my house"? It's such a confusing world. Surely economic factors are to blame.
Citizen. Do you agree with a statement you know we consider illegal and would get you done for a hate crime if you said it in the wrong place?
I don't understand the statement Mr. Clipboard man. I'm proper thick
 
We're still full and you still need to fuck off.
Lol don't worry this thread is not making me consider even visiting the UK any time soon. Or do you mean we need to fuck off out the thread?

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"Public attitudes towards immigration are heavily influenced by the belief that most migration to the UK is 'illegal’"
"However, a more detailed examination of attitudes shows a nuanced picture, suggesting that much of this apparent hostility may stem from a simple misconception."

HOLY FUCK DOES THIS SHIT FUCK ME OFF

This is such EGREGIOUS HORSESHIT that I am DEMENTED. No, people would not soften their views if you only let them know that "mOsT iMmIgRaNtS aRe LeGaL uwu". People would just realize that SHIT IS FUCKED AND YOU GAVE CITIZENSHIP TO DIRTY REPROBATES. They would support DEPORTING "CITIZENS". No, what these polls prove is simply that people hate what they see when they look around them, and if they had an accurate picture of how many were legal, you might not like how many questions don't shift their polling...and the direction of the shift in the ones that do. Sorry, this dishonest journalism and poll framing just drives me crazy, I'll go choke on my mcdonalds now.
 
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I am on good terms with an Indian orthopedic surgeon who works in the NHS. The man is insanely talented. He specialises in putting people who have been through serious trauma back together. I once asked him what drew him to his career, and he said he loves anatomy, physiology and jigsaw puzzles.

If you get in a car crash and your legs are pink -misted, he is absolutely who you would want putting you back together. His work is incredible and proof to me, surgeons are flesh artists.

That is the only scenario where we should be letting someone in the country. Someone with real, concrete talent and exceptional skills. He works, pays his taxes and heals the most pitifully broken in the most literal sense, in our society.

Is it crap we don't have anyone comparable here? Sure. It is. But he's here and doing good and plans to return home in a few years, having done incredible good here in the meantime.

Anyone else, can fuck off. We are full. We don't have the resources. Our own are hungry, homeless and hopeless.
 
>nog comes to stay on airbnb using a clearly English name that definitely is not his since he barely speaks it
>tells me he’s a civil engineer who needs to stay somewhere between places
>ask where hes a civil engineer
>cant answer the question
>tell him ‘if you need anything ask me or my boyfriend downstairs’
>checks out 8am the next morning and tells me he’s not comfortable and cancels remaining nights

Not suspicious at all
 
George Finch, the young lad (20 year old leader of Warwickshire County Council) is now facing contempt of court charges after talking about the rape of a 12 year old girl at yesterday's press conference. The rapist, 23 year old Ahmad Mulakhil was also charged with kidnap and strangulation.

Labour have caved in to this, too. Yesterday, Farage demanded that we know about an offender's immigration status as soon as possible. Today, Yvette Cooper has come out and is now chasing this. They're trying to head things off.

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George Finch, the young lad (20 year old leader of Warwickshire County Council) is now facing contempt of court charges
This is exactly what I've been afraid of with Farage. That entire press conference screamed of immaturity. Not only did they get their youngest council leader on stage despite the fact he's untrained at both public speaking and television appearances, they also had that butch dyke prison lady announcing policy on the fly when prompted by journalists (the tranny self-determination in prisons shit) and their youngest council leader might be facing contempt charges.

Yes, the rape and who did the rape is very important. But this is so sloppy. If they aren't careful, that image of not being ready for government that the uniparty are projecting might stick in voters' minds, especially if in 3 - 4 years horror stories come out about the Reform councils being run by first-time politicians.

The British soul is grey and green
That's what makes us so fantastic. We're happy with a rainy night and a plate of beans on toast. We don't need fillet steaks every night. We always fight to live solely for the reason that we want to complain about the weather, complain about queueing in a supermarket because they've got more self-checkouts open than manned tills and then kill our livers with copious amounts of bottom shelf Tesco own-brand vodka.
 
Burton In Kendal, beautiful little town. Almost all the buildings there are old grey-stone ones.
I lived in Manchester for a time and there was a street near me in Salford that looked like that. Red brick terraced houses, cobbled street and those old style street lamps. On a night time I used to walk up there just to look at it and see how beautiful it was. There was a man who lived there on an end house who played the tenor horn and I would often just stop and listen to him playing. It was like hearing a nightingale. Beautiful, solitary and wonderful. Like being part of this wonderful secret that nobody else knew of. The whole world was sleeping, it was just me and him and his beautiful music.
 
I know most people might be kneejerk about telling those worried about NHS staff shortages to fuck off, but inversely you can just tell them there won't be a staff shortage because there'd be much fewer patients to worry about when you kick all the immigrants out, and then point to Birmingham as an example of how they're making the system actively worse for everybody.
Good. I had the extreme displeasure of going to an NHS run hospital a few months back as the Nbugus on the ward had decided that my father, who was extremely ill, was fit to be discharged. When I found him, he was curled up in a ball in pain and hadn't been given any pain medication at all. There wasn't a single white person working on the ward, and zero assistance was provided to help even move him from the ward.
He died 2 days after being discharged from the hospital.
I suppose he had decided he wanted to go surrounded by loved ones and not soulless bug eyed subhumans, and I can't really blame him for that.
 
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