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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Just think of the smell on that flight before takeoff. The fact that it hit a hospital, hilarious.
Just think of the smell when 200 of them simultaneously shit themselves when they realised it was going down. Then imagine that toasted just after impact. I've got a global meeting later today at work.....wonder if it will be full of "thoughts and prayers saaaar".
 
Take a look at how the US is dealing with the deportation rioting in cities that are 50% non-white and you see the big looming problem for any government that wants to crack down hard on immigrants and drag them screaming out of their house.

There is absolutely no fucking way they'd be able to put a dent in Wakefield, Blackburn, Burnley or Bradford before a bobby is beheaded in the streets. It's over, we have left it far too late and there are genuine enclaves that will take hundreds of years to cleanse. The best you can do it buy as big a detached house you can get (so no chance of Pakis moving in next door) and riding it out.

I hate to sound defeatist but if Trump with a huge fucking majority, the majority of the nation on his side and literally going after people who genuinely shouldn't be in the country results in this much carnage then I can't imagine how much shit we'd get if we decide to send the family of a rapist back to Bangladesh.
What Trump's doing is forced deportations of illegals. For mass remigration it is mostly about creating certain conditions in a country that make the undesirables fuck off on their own accord. They came here without violence for various reasons. It is the boiling the frog metaphor but reversed. Mass immigration rose and rose, but people didn't realise how bad it was until we got here.

But the majority of people have a government that starts reversing laws and disadvantaging them economically, and they just start leaving. A hell of a lot of Jews had already left on their own accord before the war started, and if it hadn't started, most of the Jews would just have fucked off to Israel.

millions have rocked up to the UK as asylum seekers. well they will fuck off as well. It seems impossible because the momentum has been against us till now, but the pendulum has begun to swing back. Once we get the momentum, it will seem inevitable to us that we win, and defeat will seem inevitable to the browns, and they will just fuck off leaving on a few for us to deal with physically.

I know the European right has been having summits and planning out methods for creating the conditions for remigration I.e. structuring society so the brownoid piss off on their own accord. counter currents reports on them.

Just think of the smell when 200 of them simultaneously shit themselves when they realised it was going down. Then imagine that toasted just after impact. I've got a global meeting later today at work.....wonder if it will be full of "thoughts and prayers saaaar".
They have gone to the great call centre in the sky
 
Take a look at how the US is dealing with the deportation rioting in cities that are 50% non-white and you see the big looming problem for any government that wants to crack down hard on immigrants and drag them screaming out of their house.

There is absolutely no fucking way they'd be able to put a dent in Wakefield, Blackburn, Burnley or Bradford before a bobby is beheaded in the streets. It's over, we have left it far too late and there are genuine enclaves that will take hundreds of years to cleanse. The best you can do it buy as big a detached house you can get (so no chance of Pakis moving in next door) and riding it out.

I hate to sound defeatist but if Trump with a huge fucking majority, the majority of the nation on his side and literally going after people who genuinely shouldn't be in the country results in this much carnage then I can't imagine how much shit we'd get if we decide to send the family of a rapist back to Bangladesh.
I agree that it would take a long time to put things completely right, but 100 years IMO is a bit of an overestimation.

It can be done quicker and simpler:

* The UK refuses to kowtow to Islam and if there are beheadings then the whole community will be told 'any more of this and all of you will be removed to the USA/Russia/Rwanda/the Moon if necessary.

* The UK bans the Burkha and Halal practices.

* The UK refuses construction of any new Mosque until new Churches are allowed in Muslim lands.

* The death penalty is brought back.

* Those responsible for the PC society which permitted this are executed, and any wannabe Blair/Soros/Schwab is told 'you will get the same treatment, so don't fucking try it!'

* Wokeness is deemed a hangable offence.

* UK does a deal with Russia and USA to protect the English Channel - all dinghies are blown up.

* If EU/ECHR don't like it, we'll declare war on them (no, not joking at all).
 
That and also our Police and Military are just not prepared or experienced enough. A large majority of our military has not seen real civilian unrest, and to be honest, I think a lot will stand down. As for our "Police", how will they deal with 100's of ragheads swarming them, not well.

@EddyRooney just hearing Do not redeem saar, do not redeem. BOOM!

Also, brutally honest opinion, MPs should only be native, and I mean actually native.
 
Also, brutally honest opinion, MPs should only be native, and I mean actually native.
The whole concept of MPs was meant to be that they represent a constituency; the people of a place. Not that they're some names on a list for some 100k segment of a meaninglessly defined district. The idea behind is rather federal, that the nation as a whole is made up of cities and towns and boroughs and all that which all come together, making it tied to petty population levels and urban sprawls completely deforms the intent behind it.
There was nothing wrong with having proper counties, bring 'em back along with the hanging please.
 
That and also our Police and Military are just not prepared or experienced enough. A large majority of our military has not seen real civilian unrest, and to be honest, I think a lot will stand down. As for our "Police", how will they deal with 100's of ragheads swarming them, not well.

@EddyRooney just hearing Do not redeem saar, do not redeem. BOOM!

Also, brutally honest opinion, MPs should only be native, and I mean actually native.
Having the military makes a massive difference. We ran the entirety of Pakistan, bangledesh and india. We can kick these people out of our country. The only problem is that we don't believe we can. But once we do believe, and the momentum is back with us, it will just happen.

a good rally from the Tories
It still makes me laugh that they picked a black as the ace of space women at thiis time of all times to be their leader. Fucking conservatives
 
About 14000 standing army members aren't going to do shit if Houellebecq's Submission comes into play. The riots last Summer showed that there's some absolute no go areas if they kick off and it was horrifying to see hundreds of out of shape policemen in riot gear kettling a bunch of white men who are throwing plastic bottles of piss at them while the counter riots in Birmingham were untouched.

One flash event and that's the end of the UK police as we know it. A hundred policemen getting surrounded on all fronts by Syrians and Pakis with knives will be the last shift they ever do, one way or another.
 
About 14000 standing army members aren't going to do shit if Houellebecq's Submission comes into play. The riots last Summer showed that there's some absolute no go areas if they kick off and it was horrifying to see hundreds of out of shape policemen in riot gear kettling a bunch of white men who are throwing plastic bottles of piss at them while the counter riots in Birmingham were untouched.

One flash event and that's the end of the UK police as we know it. A hundred policemen getting surrounded on all fronts by Syrians and Pakis with knives will be the last shift they ever do, one way or another.
well then we train up a much bigger army and we revamp the police with younger fitter coppers. all of you arguments assume that everything stays exactly as it is right now.

In five years time any government could have a completely different armed forces and police force than we have now. You could have an army of 200,00 armed and trained to just deal with the brownoids.

you seem to think these people are some kind of superhumans. That they are ruled over by the state and made to do things in every counrty that they come from.
 
Take a look at how the US is dealing with the deportation rioting in cities that are 50% non-white and you see the big looming problem for any government that wants to crack down hard on immigrants and drag them screaming out of their house.

There is absolutely no fucking way they'd be able to put a dent in Wakefield, Blackburn, Burnley or Bradford before a bobby is beheaded in the streets. It's over, we have left it far too late and there are genuine enclaves that will take hundreds of years to cleanse. The best you can do it buy as big a detached house you can get (so no chance of Pakis moving in next door) and riding it out.

I hate to sound defeatist but if Trump with a huge fucking majority, the majority of the nation on his side and literally going after people who genuinely shouldn't be in the country results in this much carnage then I can't imagine how much shit we'd get if we decide to send the family of a rapist back to Bangladesh.
The big issue is traitors and the various people vested (or forced to be) in their continued staying here. Whenever X-nation expelled Y-minority from their nations in times past, the people of X-nation did not protest in any great capacity to prevent the minority from being removed. Now, we have people both in government and in commerce who wish that they remain out of self-interest. If the minority knows it'll be crushed by the majority, then they'd be meek, but they have the combined decades of social fluffing and domestic backers behind them which has them feel secure. It won't be a problem that'll take centuries to fix on its own, it can be ameliorated rather quickly once all pillars supporting them up are knocked down.

List of supports:
1. The "Politicians": Those who see the minority group as a valued bloc of voters. Them remaining aids them in keeping their position of power and income --> Solved cynically by said politician realising said bloc will no longer be of any use to them (helped if said bloc begins voting for people belonging to their in-group a la Independents stealing seats from Labour) and if continued support is detrimental (pro-immigrant sentiment damaging viability of party) then they'd be forced to change gear.

2. The "Corporate": Those who see the minority group as a financial boon, split into both international and domestic groups --> Arguably the hardest to solve given how intertwined we are with liberal approaches to the economy and thus this group is similarly being supported themselves. They would become more a problem if people are removed, important jobs become available in excess, and they'd be forced offer higher than minimum wage. Some entities, like ASM or wholesale suppliers to takeaway food places, also rely on certain on minority groups as their primary consumer base. I'm not sure if you can "solve" this one without radical shifts to how the economy is handled, not just domestically but internationally too. Removing the mandated diversity rules in advertising and programs should help alleviate the issue of propaganda and other drivel at least.

3. The "Captured": Those who are compelled ideologically to support minority groups and thus support them in principle --> Young people usually who've been influenced via education, content online, or their parents into the mantra of "minority good", making excused constantly on their behalf. Typically young people. Largely hot air and could be acted over in theory, but their presence gives them (minority) a lot of power projection.

Solved via reworking the education system to dislodge anything that might instil self-hatred at their race/people at the Primary school and High School/Sixth form level curriculum (which is done at the national level so it's feasible). At the University level without going full-on totalitarian, you limit or cease all non-native students from attendance and restrict the state offering of student loans (the generous ones with plenty of leeway we have currently) to students taking part in useful degrees like medicine whilst forcing those taking superfluous degrees in some drivel relating to Theory (feminist, queer, and so on) pay. Alternatively, and as a way to bribe some of the young 'uns, make useful degrees paid for by the state (free) but useless ones require payment. This'll incentivise Universities to axe unprofitable classes in favour of those which people actually do, which might solve certain issues in the long-term. Liberals will still be a thing, but hopefully Marxists and their derivatives will disappear over time.

4. The "Reluctant": Those who feel compelled to not voice their opposition to minority groups thus self-feeding into continued stagnation on the issue --> Solved by assuring these reluctance that they're not alone, which is in the process of happening as we speak if you use Reform as a measurement of this. Long-term it's helped by a lack of censorship, proliferation of free speech and observable metrics of something not being a taboo opinion via polls and election results. The lack of internet censorship coupled with Southport let a lot of people know that, yeah, they're not alone in their views.

5. The "Minorities": Those who feel compelled to help their fellow minority --> Solved by reducing their collective numbers. In theory the easiest looking at the sheer simplicity of it but the hardest in practice. You can break the bloc apart by seizing on tensions between said groups (as Britain did for centuries during the Empire), such as between the Indians and Pakistanis, or the Sikhs and Hindus.

Also one of the only truly effective uses of Civic Nationalism, since it can also sunder a group with itself by having one group be the "assimilated" and another being the "defiant". For instance: Pakistanis/Muslims are the problem. So you constantly stress why they are the issue, which soothes the worries of other minority groups. Once they're soothed, you enflame them by emphasising the problems said group does to the others by merely remaining here — "They'll get us all removed at this rate." — thus either isolating that particular group or causing other members of the minority to support your cause of removing them. There's also anti-minority policies, such as a hijab ban, halal ban, and so on, which can make some leave on their own.

The biggest hurdle is probably the politicians and then corporations in that order (it's reversed in America). However, despite Farage cuckoldry on certain matters, there's no way he can shackle every Reform MP to his viewpoints. It was one such MP who voiced her displeasure at the hijab against Starmer, something Farage or Reform never made official party policy, and it quickly got supported by other Reform MPs and the overall party base, forcing Yusuf out of his chairman position. It's very possible that if enough actual right-leaning politicians bolster Reform's ranks and the number of MPs of actual value outnumber Farage, he could very well be forced to follow the whims of his party, much like Starmer was when he conceded on PIP and relief for new workers on benefits.

So yeah, my main contention is that it won't take hundreds of years, but assuming we're on the correct path now, if Reform get in and opinions are allowed to be more free-flowing without fear of arrest, it might take a couple decades.
 
I'm going to get Farage to make it that at least once a month british children have to listen to Mosley's Never Despair speech in assembly, with rousing patriotic music in the background and on a giant
screen images of great British victories.
 
I've only just started getting into this branch of thought.
I've read a shit ton of, well, shit. I think Hans Herman Hoppe had a decent point about the state being ran like a corporation, comparing a democracy to a company run badly by a CEO seeking to extract as much value as they can from the company before their term ends.

Temporary stewardship over the wheel of a state doesn't really give someone incentive to maintain it in the long-term, and the way you might've done that in the past is by making someone proud of their country, but we've had that thoroughly beaten and taught out of us over the decades. The one thing that had a politician vested in the long-term wellbeing of this country was removed. If you feel no connection to the land (patriotism, nationalism), no community to be immersed in (forced diversity, removal of ethnic/national kinship), nobody to be invested in (family, race potentially), why exactly should you leave something in a better state than what was handed to you? You may as well take as much as you can carry and ensure that you (and those close to you) have it best.

I think trying not to completely shock people with a sudden jerk off the rails is best for stability. Rather than quickly embracing radicalism in the hope things will get fixed by happenstance, you need to identify each individual problem, all the factors that make said problem a problem, and through precision you can get to the optimal fix. Nothing can be done in the short-term which such speed that some toll won't require paying as a consequence. Some underlying problems do have simple solutions that won't be apparent until years off, just as how some problems were caused by quick and easy fix to an issue that caused a cascade of fuckups decades later. Riot and Incitement act 1986 meant to stop unrest from mass unemployment -> now you can't call someone a nigger. Dodge v Ford 1919, meant to stop the bellyaching of investors who worried they wouldn't see returns -> immigrants absolutely drowning the West. So something as simple as "implement a curriculum that emphasises pride in Britain" could result in -> Generation Delta 92% support the restoration of the British empire, or something like that. The big negative to this is that you might not be around to see the yields, but simple implementations within the wholly familiar framework of the current system can have big positives, they just take time.

Edit: You basically Ninja'd me with your latest post but same principle lmao
 
think Hans Herman Hoppe had a decent point about the state being ran like a corporation, comparing a democracy to a company run badly by a CEO seeking to extract as much value as they can from the company before their term ends.
I read Democracy: The God That Failed back in the day. Can't remember the fine details, but I do remember pretty much agreeing with him. It's funny cos most of my adult thoughts have been between anarchism on one side and the hard right at other times. even had a Russian Tsarist phase. I've rarely been in the middle. I guess now I'm not trying to be in the middle but rather trying to synthesise the two seemingly opposites.

It's why certain things have been appealing to me: national anarchism, national market socialism, a Toklein-esque monarch in the city but anarchy in the shire, stuff about the ancient Irish and Icelandic systems, and pre-Norman stuff where the Saxons had a hierarchical system but also the ancient freedoms. even stuff like prosecuting crimes and torts yourself and getting the payment to you and not fines to the state. All of that appeals to me where the freedom and the chauvinism and the hierarchy come together. Even in the old English folk movement that are on the face of it very leftist e.g. the diggers, the levellers. I like the rebellion against the authoritarian upper classes that treat the people below them like shit. I'm open to the need for a good hierarchy but not a bunch of stuck up cunts.

I think you make a good point where you bring up Hoppe's idea about needing to have a connection to the land to want to leave it in a better state. He applies it to the monarch; the monarch needs to feel like he owns it. But if the people themselves feel it, then I guess it still applies anyway. I guess this is very ancient British idea of the common weal. So it does function that way without a king. The commonweal isn't an empty, sterile collectivism of the modern liberal but something more natural, something organic, something rooted.

I just noticed the terminology Trump used here. It relates to what was talked about earlier here - Remigration.
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Remigration is the specific term that the New Right uses both in Europe and in Northern America. There's an english nationalist group that tried to have one of the main thinkers behind the remigration movement come to the UK to do a speech and he was barred from entering the country

But it's interesting that Trump is using hard-right language. Posting it here because it relates to earlier chat but also to Reform and Farage. If Trump changes the zeitgeist so people believe that migration is a legitimate thing then it could help us over here.

At the moment, no one believes remigration is possible. If they believe it is possible, that is a massive step.
 
Watching Trump cuck himself over immigration does make me realie that /pol/ was right. There is no solution within the system. Cos the system is still running. Tbh the marxists are right about that as well. just their solution is fucking shit.
Policeman detected.
If Idi Amin could do it, we can do it
He was the last true king of Scotland after all.
 
Nobody wants to stop the migrants, let alone send them home. For all the discussions about how to get them to fuck off home, it's the ones who are staying that are the biggest obstacle of getting rid of them.
The controlled opposition and Labour/tory both want to end "Uncontrolled, mass, illegal migration".
Look at those qualifiers:
uncontrolled - if they control mass illegal migration, problem solved
mass - if they reduce the amount of illegal migrants coming in, problem solved
Illegal - if we make their migration legal, problem solved.

None talk about getting rid of those who are already in the country illegally, as they're no longer migrants. No one talks about ending asylum, or sending asylum seekers home. And none have, or ever will, say they want to deport those who have gained asylum, have been housed, are illegal and are legal and have settled.

It might be easier to deport/detain the lefties, migrant-lovers and pro-pakis before the deportations start. The peaceful solution to that is to say "no more migrants can come in unless someone sponsors them and puts them up in their own house. All of those that attend pro-migrant rallies will be volunteered to take in wild muslims".
 
BNP Campaigners were stabbed to death in the streets.
No, because if you stab a policeman you get caught very quickly.

My brothers in Greggs, stop falling for glowies. The BNP were just an intelligence service tool to keep communists in check during the Cold War.

Anyone spouting retarded far-right shit at you is a policeman, an informant, or a fatherless retard being puppeted by one of the former two.
 
Basically, I want the ancient freedoms of the British people, but that can function in the modern world with other states and countries that exist. I'm fine with a national organisation, but I can't stand needless authoritarianism, snobbishness, or managerialism.
The problem with political theories is that people buy them wholesale. The UK is unique, what fits and works elsewhere may not always work for us. We don’t need to buy a whole theory and use it, we need to rule and government with the following question in mind:
- is this rule, law, policy or action the best for the people and the land, short, mid and long term?
That’s literally it. That was the advantage of monarchy (and its weakness of course.) the country is not an economic zone and its people are not economic units to be exploited and extracted. We are a land and a people to be nourished and governed and guided and led. A ruler should treat the people like an extended family - what’s best for US? Instead we are treated like a resource to be exploited, and it cannot continue. Extractive policies are doom.
There is no FEEDBACK between the rulers policies and the consequences. When Rachel from accounts is ousted she will go to a cushy consultant job. Blair is rich as Croesus. We need to re establish that link of consequence. What was that society where the chief judge’s desk was covered with the skin of his last predecessor to cheat the people?
Our rulers hate us. We cannot continue like this. It has to be each country with strong borders, working for what’s best for their own, and a presumption of cordial relations with the neighbours yes, not actively fucking over other countries but working for us first.
You’re in charge? Ok then you get the four years. The first set get two years grace in the nice upper class enclave and then they get moved with no security into the most deprived ward of the country. That’s where you live for the next two. So fix it.
I am sick of being ruled by people who hate me. I hate them right back.
 
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