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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[A-Logato]

"British"

 

[teriyakiburns]

I knew better but a guy I know didn't, he got a okay payout eventually from whoever was ultimately liable (not the fuckers who put it in though) but it doesn't make up for the years of shit living conditions.

That would be the guarantee company, which is probably CIGA. They're paying out and funding remedial work pretty much for free, which is something I discovered soon after I bought my current place. It had impossible to resolve damp that turned out to be the result of a horrendously botched cavity insulation job 20 years ago. They didn't even fill the bay window and still managed to fuck it up. Fortunately I found the guarantee.

Cavity insulation is about as bad as it gets but I imagine there'll be something similar with heat pumps down the line; maybe they're great at concentrating radon?

Lifespan is probably the biggest issue, same as solar. These heat pumps are installed with an expected 25 year lifespan, but there's already evidence that they won't last that long. Another is how the efficiency standards constantly change, so an installation that brings a house up to an A+ rating today will be failed down to a C or even a D in five years. Not a problem in itself, but if you're selling your home, it can knock a serious chunk of money off the price. It could be an even bigger problem if they start levying tax on "inefficient" homes, which I've heard being quietly put forward in some of the more fringe spaces. The other one is that they're just not that good, for all the talk of their "efficiency". Getting the water above 50° means turning on the "top up" electric heater, which is pretty much an old-fashioned immersion heater tank. You either end up having a tepid bath or shower, or you wait an hour and pay a fortune for the immersion heater to heat up a full tank.

 

[FedPostalService]

"British"
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He did the needful.

That would be the guarantee company, which is probably CIGA. They're paying out and funding remedial work pretty much for free, which is something I discovered soon after I bought my current place. It had impossible to resolve damp that turned out to be the result of a horrendously botched cavity insulation job 20 years ago. They didn't even fill the bay window and still managed to fuck it up. Fortunately I found the guarantee.


Lifespan is probably the biggest issue, same as solar. These heat pumps are installed with an expected 25 year lifespan, but there's already evidence that they won't last that long. Another is how the efficiency standards constantly change, so an installation that brings a house up to an A+ rating today will be failed down to a C or even a D in five years. Not a problem in itself, but if you're selling your home, it can knock a serious chunk of money off the price. It could be an even bigger problem if they start levying tax on "inefficient" homes, which I've heard being quietly put forward in some of the more fringe spaces. The other one is that they're just not that good, for all the talk of their "efficiency". Getting the water above 50° means turning on the "top up" electric heater, which is pretty much an old-fashioned immersion heater tank. You either end up having a tepid bath or shower, or you wait an hour and pay a fortune for the immersion heater to heat up a full tank.

Aren't solar panels actual conductors too? It's like having a massive lighting rod on the roof of your house, except it's wired into your combustible home rather than dissipating the electricity?

 

[Otterly]

could be an even bigger problem if they start levying tax on "inefficient" homes, which I've heard being quietly put forward in some of the more fringe spaces.

I have heard this too. Tax the crap out of ‘inefficient’ houses. Effectively making them jnsellable. It’s terrible

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Shared by a farmer friend of mine, an actual farmer, not a kiwifarmer. You're all scum.

I don't know how true it is, but I can see it being the case. Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

At this point why not brick up a pre adblu tdi in the garden and run the radiator into the house?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I have heard this too. Tax the crap out of ‘inefficient’ houses. Effectively making them jnsellable. It’s terrible

Can't resell your house because it's an inefficient house? No worries, citizen, the kindly government will take it off of your hands for 50% of the worth and hand it over to asylum seekers. What's that? You don't want to lose money to help asylum seekers? No your credit score is in negative numbers and your house is now repossessed because you have a terrorist ideology.

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I don't know how true it is, but I can see it being the case. Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

What does this mean for items that need to be in glass like spirits and wine?
Is the price of a bottle of Gin about to double?
Will we see wine Aunt suicide?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Shared by a farmer friend of mine, an actual farmer, not a kiwifarmer. You're all scum.
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I don't know how true it is, but I can see it being the case. Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

It's real. It's a development of the EU's 1994 Packaging and Packaging Waste Directive, which was set in train a decade ago. The sir humphries presumably carried it forward after brexit because they like meddling. I suspect it's not going to be as bad as your farmer friend is saying, but that doesn't mean it won't be retarded anyway.

edit: missed this one

Aren't solar panels actual conductors too? It's like having a massive lighting rod on the roof of your house, except it's wired into your combustible home rather than dissipating the electricity?

Semi-conductors. A properly grounded solar install shouldn't cause any problems like that. They should act like a lightning rod and discourage lightning hitting you by raising the ground charge up to your roof. If it does get hit, it'll blow out the inverter and possible the main fuse.

This assumes it's installed properly and not thrown up by cowboys.

 

[Overly Serious]

Shared by a farmer friend of mine, an actual farmer, not a kiwifarmer. You're all scum.
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I don't know how true it is, but I can see it being the case. Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

Fucking lunacy. It'll hit hard companies like McQueens Dairies where getting the milk in a glass bottle is part of the reason people buy from them. How is that the most incompetent people I know are the ones running the country? It's like the system is set up so that people who don't do anything useful are left to run things because everyone else is too busy getting stuff done. I'd be inclined to say that if the entirety of our political class went up in smoke I wouldn't care, except in the UK you get two years in prison for saying you don't care if someone goes up in smoke so I'd best not.

Anyway, I looked it up to see if I could get more information and confirmation. Yep, as said:

https://www.meiningers-international.com/wine/insights/new-glass-tax-leaves-uk-drinks-trade-confusion

https://archive.ph/wip/cXXDJ

What does this mean for items that need to be in glass like spirits and wine?
Is the price of a bottle of Gin about to double?

Don't know what the specific impact will be but per the article above, yep. Affects wines and spirits and everything else.

Wont affect the politicians because they get paid enough to not care about price rises.

 

[FedPostalService]

I have heard this too. Tax the crap out of ‘inefficient’ houses. Effectively making them jnsellable. It’s terrible

It's like a retarded version of the window tax.

It's real. It's a development of the EU's 1994 Packaging and Packaging Waste Directive, which was set in train a decade ago. The sir humphries presumably carried it forward after brexit because they like meddling. I suspect it's not going to be as bad as your farmer friend is saying, but that doesn't mean it won't be retarded anyway.

edit: missed this one

Semi-conductors. A properly grounded solar install shouldn't cause any problems like that. They should act like a lightning rod and discourage lightning hitting you by raising the ground charge up to your roof. If it does get hit, it'll blow out the inverter and possible the main fuse.

This assumes it's installed properly and not thrown up by cowboys.

I'm sure I heard about a guy whose house burnt down after one was hit in a lightening strike. He doing the renovations himself so maybe he was his own cowboy? It was an ex-colleague from years ago so can't check.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Cavity wall insulation sucks because it prevents the house from breathing, yes it's warmer but moisture has zero escape routes so it just becomes a mold ridden shithole.

I have a friend who did up his house with the full works, cavity wall insulation, under floor insulation etc. and it's genuinely unbearable to be in the house bar a few weeks in Spring. In Winter the house is overwhelmingly moggy, and in Summer the house is impossible to cool down. I can't imagine being in a situation where you save for years to get a deposit and mortgage only to end up getting a house that you physically cannot stand living in.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

Something about the whole "Dreamt up by Tories, implemented by Labour" hit me hard bruv. It's so true, not just of this but of so many other shit ideas.

 

[BongoMongo]

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I don't know how true it is, but I can see it being the case. Why can't governments just stop doing goofy shit like this? Stop doing shit that we didn't ask you to do, stop it!

More to the point : @Otterly, they're going to take away mah ginger in glass boatils. This is literal genocide.

 

[Otterly]

More to the point : @Otterly, they're going to take away mah ginger in glass boatils. This is literal genocide.

Take away the glass Irn Bru and there will be issues.
It’s madness all this recycling shit. Like now they want x% of clothes to use recycled fibres but the only thing that’s economic to do with is plastic based fabrics like polyester.
A sane world would prioritise wool, flax, hemp etc and make better semi synthetics like cupro. Not this madness where plastic bags are bad but plastic knickers are good. Make it make sense

 

[Crunkle]

I wonder if the 0.3 will be revised in a few months to 1.5. Imagine how bad it would be if we didn't have hordes of immigrants helping our GDP

Okay, listen up you alt-right chuddie. The 0.3 drop is only because the measurements we use to measure GDP aren't favourable to Reeves. Incoming "adjustments" to be made in the way GDP is measured.

 

[Zoot]

Watching Trump cuck himself over immigration does make me realie that /pol/ was right. There is no solution within the system. Cos the system is still running. Tbh the marxists are right about that as well. just their solution is fucking shit.

IMO, the only solution is some sort of racially based national socialism. I'd prefer National Market Socialism with the big utilities and natural resources nationalised for the benefit of all and to fund the governmental essential services. The State offering strong protection against invasion, law and order and provision for individual flourishing. Within that a freed market economy with a multiplicity of small to medium businesses. Large private corporations outlawed. If a business becomes big enough and it needs to be big it can be nationalized.

Because anything on the shitty neoliberal capitalistic system we have is fucked. It lives off slave labour and niggers and breeds corrupt politicians and it operates criminally in collusion against the people. Marx was right that the system we have drives us to the shit world we are in. (but fuck Marx's solution)

And the only way that happens is if someone rises who doesn't give a fuck about keeping the system intact and reforming it. But whose entire goal it to destroy the old Neoliberal system and bring in the new system.



Reform might be the next step for the UK. At least it might prevent the uni-party from destroying us for good. But they will betray us. I don't think it is possible to get the people to go any further at the moment.

But at some point they will betray us like trump. cos their loyalty is really to neoliberal capitalism. they just want a more conservative version.

At that point we have to hope that the people get so angry that we don't go back to the uniparty, but we lurch further to the hard right. And that gives the power to someone who is willing to get rid of the Neoliberal system completely. That man can tell every brownoid to fuck right off and rebuild the system for the British people.

 

[Crunkle]

That man can tell every brownoid to fuck right off and rebuild the system for the British people.

This will never happen and we will be drowning in Muslims forever. It's too late to reverse most of this.

It's never too late to fight but we will always have sandniggers from Leeds who say "I was born here, innit bruv.".

The enemies are in the fort now.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

This will never happen and we will be drowning in Muslims forever. It's too late to reverse most of this.

It's never too late to fight but we will always have sandniggers from Leeds who say "I was born here, innit bruv.".

The enemies are in the fort now.

If Idi Amin could do it, we can do it

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

IMO, the only solution is some sort of racially based national socialism

I'm an unironic national socialist and believe that a country in which a strong nationalised social system; free education, housing, transport, healthcare and unemployment, is funded by strong private capitalist market is the best way to run a country for all involved. Which is why it is verboten to run on a platform of national socialism. Why give the plebs a good life under a fair system when the elites are rich either way?

 

[Zoot]

This will never happen and we will be drowning in Muslims forever. It's too late to reverse most of this.

It's never too late to fight but we will always have sandniggers from Leeds who say "I was born here, innit bruv.".

The enemies are in the fort now.

They all got here. They can all get sent back the same way. Most of the work can be done by then not wanting to be here anymore economically. They all came here due to economic pressures. reverse pressures can get the numbers down to a manageable levels to sent the rest back by force.

with no equality laws and a social system that shuns anyone who gives work to trades with non British the economic pressures will start pushing them out. I think a hell of a lot could be removed peacefully that way. and that gets you to where you can do the rest by force.

I'm an unironic national socialist and believe that a country in which a strong nationalised social system; free education, housing, transport, healthcare and unemployment, is funded by strong private capitalist market is the best way to run a country for all involved. Which is why it is verboten to run on a platform of national socialism. Why give the plebs a good life under a fair system when the elites are rich either way?

I agree with you. Personally I wouldn't call the market system capitalist but that's more quibbling over terms really. I'm assuming we are really talking about the same thing - a market economy with private people owning the businesses.

That aside, I do think the systems we are describing could sort out the issue of all the brown here. And as I mention above, I think a lot of it could be done peacefully via economically disadvantaging them. It would be made clear they are not part of the new system. Many would leave just as they see the new system rising. I think people underestimate how big a population flow you can get out without force. It can be just as big as the flows in which happened without force.

then the economic pressure, the social stigmatization (not part of the society), and then as I have said, when the number is manageable enough you deport the remaining to some shithole in Africa. that threat alone would get many more to leave to somewhere else. it could be done in ten years I reckon with a strong leader.