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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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If you have good solicitors / surveyors they should point this risk out to you before you buy. It is even possible to take out church chancel liability insurance. As always, caveat emptor.
Yeah, they do that now, but I doubt in 2003 anyone expected a check to pay for church repairs to show up out of the blue. Hell, most churches that do have the legal right to force payment don't because it pisses people off. God knows 100k is unreasonable as hell, legality aside.
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Not like they were people of exceptional means to have that much lying around, not when they look like that.
 
I can't get my head around it, if they are charging them with terrorism then why are they allowed to be running around all over the place doing gigs. If they aren't really and it's going to be a small fine or something dumb then why give them all the free publicity.
They're a Psyop.

Also, according to sources on X:

'Andrew Tate and his brother Tristan have been charged with 21 counts of rape and other offences by UK Police.'

Conveniently whilst most people are distracted by what's happening in Liverpool.
 
I can't get my head around it, if they are charging them with terrorism then why are they allowed to be running around all over the place doing gigs. If they aren't really and it's going to be a small fine or something dumb then why give them all the free publicity.
They're not being charged with terrorism. One of them is being charged with supporting a terrorist organisations from cheering on Hamas. Which is a terrorist organisation he supported on camera. Much like the antiques dealer recently charged with funding terrorism he was let out as a supporter of terrorism rather than a terrorist himself.

Kneecap's response is the standard Irish "nooooooo, it's not real terrorism, it's freedom fighting. Those children deserved to be blown up/women deserved to be raped" etc. sprouted whenever the terrorist cause they are supporting do inexcusable shit. For which I hope one day (Kneecap not the Irish as a whole) they are culturally enriched. Hard.

In news University Union is demanding that employers let trans staff into anywhere they want
The union representing staff at universities has called on employers to support the right for workers to use gendered facilities which match gender identities, as its congress voted to “stand shoulder to shoulder with the trans community”.

It follows the Supreme Court ruling last month that the words “woman” and “sex” in the Equality Act 2010 refer to a biological woman and biological sex.

In the wake of the ruling the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) issued interim guidance, saying trans women “should not be permitted to use the women’s facilities” in workplaces or public-facing services like shops and hospitals, with the same applying for trans men using men’s toilets.


More detailed draft guidance was published last week, with a consultation period running until June 30.

The guidance says people can be asked to confirm their birth sex so long as it is “necessary and proportionate for a service provider, those exercising public functions or an association to know an individual’s birth sex to be able to discharge their legal obligations”.

It cautions that any such question “should be done in a sensitive way which does not cause discrimination or harassment”.


The University and College Union (UCU), which is the UK’s largest post-16 education union and represents more than 120,000 education staff, held its congress on Monday where delegates backed four motions committing the union to “fight back against unprecedented attacks on trans people’s human rights”.

General secretary Jo Grady said: “Our congress has once again committed our union to stand shoulder to shoulder with the trans community in the fight for equality.

“This year trans people have suffered a wave of attacks against them, but UCU remains steadfast as one of their most vocal allies.

“We refuse to allow trans people to be the collateral of a right-wing culture war and while they continue to experience violence at home, in the workplace and on the airwaves, we will stand by them.”

As a result of one of the motions, the UCU has resolved to call on employers to support the right for staff to use the gendered spaces appropriate to them, saying that the Supreme Court ruling contradicts the current practices that allow this at most post-16 institutions.

As part of the motion the congress also committed to issuing a statement to members and on social media platforms “expressing concern” at the ruling and “reaffirming our steadfast commitment to defending trans people”, and to call on employers to develop and implement trans-inclusive policies “as a matter of urgency”.


Another motion criticised the Government’s “decision to ignore the damning critiques” of the Cass Review, and in its wake the union will write to the Health Secretary condemning the report’s findings and methods.

Published last year, the review concluded children had been let down by a lack of research and evidence on medical interventions in gender care, which led to NHS England announcing a new plan which requires new referrals into the clinics to have been seen by a GP and mental health specialist or paediatrician first.

The UCU will also advocate for healthcare that “affirms and values” trans people in its letter to Wes Streeting as it criticised the ban on the supply of puberty blockers for young trans people – which was made permanent in December and which means they are not prescribed on the NHS to children for the treatment of gender dysphoria.

Plans remain in place to set up a clinical trial into the use of puberty blockers this year, although no patients have yet been recruited while ethical and regulatory approval is awaited.


Two motions were concerned with the actions of US President Donald Trump’s administration, with one condemning its “concerted attacks upon trans people”.
Labour are largely scrapping short term prison sentences to keep the spiteful mutants on the streets.
Prisoners in England and Wales, including some serious offenders, will be eligible for release after serving a third of their sentence under reforms.

Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood told the Commons she accepted most of the proposals from an independent sentencing review, but stopped short of allowing the most serious offenders from being released early.

The major review, which was carried out by former Conservative Lord Chancellor David Gauke, suggested some serious violent and sexual offenders could be among those eligible for earlier release, which ministers rejected.

Shadow justice secretary Robert Jenrick labelled the plans a "get out of jail free card for dangerous criminals".
There had been concerns from some victims' groups that prisoners jailed on what is known as a standard determinate sentence, which includes sex offenders and perpetrators of domestic abuse, would be eligible for earlier release under the recommendations.

But Mahmood ruled out allowing the early release for the most serious offenders, saying they would continue to have to serve at least two-thirds of their sentence.

She also added that nobody jailed for terror offences would be eligible.

Mahmood said: "Judges give extended sentences to those they consider dangerous with no Parole Board hearing until two-thirds of time served and I will not change that."

She also confirmed the expansion of a small pilot scheme offering voluntary chemical castration to some sex offenders to 20 prisons in England after the report said that trial should continue.

Mahmood told MPs the government "will go further" and was exploring whether it would be possible to make chemical castration mandatory nationwide.

Jenrick condemned the early release plans as a "recipe for carnage" and accused the government of being "okay with criminals terrorising our streets and tormenting our country".

Responding, Mahmood said: "If the government he was a part of had ever been serious, they would have built more than 500 prison places in 14 years in office."

She said the prison population was now rising by "3,000 each year", with the system "heading back towards zero capacity".
The government previously confirmed it wanted to start work on three new prisons before the end of 2025, and that £4.7bn would be allocated for prison-building between 2026 and 2031 at the government spending review, due next month.

Earlier, Gauke said it would not be possible to solve overcrowding by building new prison space alone.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that reducing sentences was "the right thing to be doing".

Last year, thousands of inmates were released early in an emergency measure to deal with prison overcrowding.

Eligible prisoners serving more than five years were automatically released after serving only 40% of their fixed-term sentence, rather than the usual 50%.

The government then commissioned the review to look into the causes of the crisis, and to consider alternative punishments to custodial sentences.

Gauke's early release recommendations are inspired by reforms to high-security, supermax prisons in the US state of Texas, which the BBC visited with Mahmood in February.

The model sees offenders progressing through three stages, with good behaviour rewarded by early release after completing a third of their sentence. If not, prisoners stay in jail until they have served 50%.

The review also called for:

  • Offenders to be given short custodial sentences of less than 12 months in only exceptional circumstances, such as if they don't comply with court orders or to provide respite for victims of domestic abuse
  • Suspended sentences to be allowed for up to three years, and for them to be used more for low-risk offenders with high needs, such as people with substance abuse issues or pregnant women
  • Courts to have greater flexibility to impose fines or travel, driving and football bans
  • More funding for the Probation Service - which supervises offenders serving community sentences or those released into the community from prison - and greater availability of electronic monitoring equipment like tags

The Domestic Abuse Commissioner for England and Wales, Dame Nicole Jacobs, said the measures would send "a clear message to domestic abusers that they can now offend with little consequence".

"I recognise the difficult situation ministers are in and that our approach to sentencing must change to address the prison capacity crisis," she said.

"But watering down our criminal justice system is not the answer - especially when it comes at the expense of victims' safety and cuts short the justice they have fought so hard for."

Campbell Robb, chief executive of prison support charity Nacro, said a move away from short jail terms towards community sentences "could be a genuine game-changer, interrupting the vicious cycle that traps people in prison".

However, Justice for Victims said the review had not taken the views of those impacted by violent crime into account.

The campaign group said: "We welcome the extra investment and plans for new prison places from the Government. But there isn't any excuse for letting the worst offenders get out of prison even earlier."
BBC News understands that tens of thousands more offenders could be tagged under the proposals, putting further pressure on an already stretched probation system.

Although the review recommends more resources for probation, staff say they are worried about being put under even more pressure.

One probation officer told BBC News: "We can't cope now, God knows how we'll cope if these recommendations are accepted.

"I'm already looking for another job. It's just not possible to do all this work."

National Association of Probation Officers general secretary Ian Lawrence told BBC Breakfast he welcomed the report but warned the early release scheme "won't hang together" without "desperately needed resources into the probation service".
England and Wales has one of the highest prison population rates in western Europe.

An interim report from the Gauke review, published in February, found the prison overcrowding problem was driven by successive governments trying to look "tough on crime".

Despite overall crime rates declining since the mid-1990s, the prison population in England and Wales almost doubled between 1993 and 2012, while reoffending has remained high, it said.

Gauke also previously warned that without radical change, prisons in England and Wales could run out of space again by next Spring.

Thursday's recommendations, Gauke has said, are "focused not only on bringing the prison population under control but ultimately reducing reoffending and ensuring victims are protected".

"Taken as a package, these measures should ensure the government is never again in a position where it is forced to rely on the emergency release of prisoners," he added.
And BT dump a HR boss after tying manager's bonuses to DEI targets. Little will improve now because she's been replaced with more of the same flavour from the NHS
BT has parted ways with its human resources (HR) chief in the wake of an embarrassing about-turn over the company’s DEI strategies.
The Telegraph has learnt that Athalie Williams, BT’s chief people and culture officer, is stepping down after less than two and a half years in the role.
She will be replaced by Alison Wilcox, who previously served as the telecoms giant’s group HR director before taking up non-executive positions in the NHS.
BT said Ms Williams was departing for personal reasons. The executive is understood to be going back to her native Australia to spend time with her family.

The BT HR role is hugely influential, given the telecoms giant employs more than 90,000 people. The change in personnel comes after several incidents that threw BT’s human resources policies into disarray.
The company last month dropped the diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) measure in its manager bonus scheme – which accounted for 10pc of the incentive – and replaced it with a measure of employee engagement.
BT said it was making the change with “strong support” from shareholders. However, the move was in direct contrast to comments from Allison Kirkby, BT’s chief executive, who criticised other companies for watering down their DEI targets in the wake of Donald Trump’s re-election.

In a memo to staff earlier this year, she said: “I believe we need to be as diverse as the customers we service, to be the customer-centric company we aspire to be and to be able to live up to our purpose.
“When we determine to be inclusive, we create an environment where everyone, no matter their background or characteristics, feels respected, valued and like they belong.”

In a further embarrassing incident, it emerged that BT had spent more than £1m on a leadership guru for senior executives who fell asleep in meetings.
Dan Spiwack, the chief executive of US-based JMW Consultants, was brought in on a nine-month contract to offer training to top bosses. However, he was soon branded a “running joke” internally after repeatedly falling asleep because of heart medication he was taking.
Ms Kirkby is understood to have appointed Mr Spiwack on the recommendation of BT’s HR department following an open procurement process. The contract was not renewed.

Operations overhaul​

BT’s chief executive has been attempting to shake up the lumbering telecoms behemoth since taking over the top job early last year.
She has made a number of senior leadership changes and is trying to refocus BT on its core mobile and broadband offerings.
This includes shelving plans to ditch BT as the company’s flagship brand for millions of consumers and carving out the group’s international operations ahead of a potential sale.

Ms Kirkby is also pushing ahead with plans to cut tens of thousands of jobs by the end of the decade.
In a further sign that BT is refocusing on its core offering, the company is reportedly closing in on a deal to sell its 50pc stake in TNT Sports to joint venture partner Warner Bros Discovery.
The sale of the channel, formerly known as BT Sport, would end the company’s expensive foray into sports broadcasting after more than a decade.
BT moved into sports under Gavin Patterson, then-chief executive, in the hope that winning sought-after rights would help boost its broadband customer numbers. However, competing against Sky in the areas has proved costly.
The strategy overhaul comes amid pressure from Sunil Bharti Mittal, the Indian telecoms billionaire who last year became the company’s largest shareholder.
Mr Mittal has built a 24.5pc stake in BT and has summoned executives for meetings as he uses his investment to exert influence, though BT has insisted that he is supportive of its strategy.

BT’s shares are up more than 50pc since the start of Ms Kirkby’s tenure in a sign that investors have welcomed her pledge to slash costs and scale back heavy investment in broadband infrastructure.
 
Hope not Hate, the NGO set up by the murdered MP Jo Cox's sex pest husband, has had a few allegations made against it.

The history of the organisation and it's connection to the security services (particularly with regards to being able to use false passports) is long and convoluted however. Morgoth a british right wing YouTuber published a substack about some of their tactics. Highlights are


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Going door to door to question the neighbours of targets is a common tactic for them (how do you feel about living next door to a NAZI) however this was slightly different. Lucy Brown, Lauren Southerns former assistant pointed out that they were breaking numerous laws.

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Going door to door to question the neighbours of targets is a common tactic for them (how do you feel about living next door to a NAZI) however this was slightly different. Lucy Brown, Lauren Southerns former assistant pointed out that they were breaking numerous laws.
These are the fuckers who always the "independent verifiable source" for every single expose hitpiece hackjob for the last decade or so. Laws and rules and regulations do not apply to ((protected persons)), they can and will very much get away with murder and nobody will ever be punished for it.
Not the first time they've publicly been called out for pulling this stasi shit, there was some tommeh "documentary" a while back that went into it, nothing ever happened of course.
 
Its mighty military allowed Great Britain to spread and defend civilization throughout the world for centuries. Then came neoliberalism. Now we read this:
Army officials have urged Sergeant Majors to stop shouting at junior soldiers and be more like David Beckham.

Instead, they have been encouraged to speak to the sensitive recruits in a more gentle tone – like the football legend.

Diplomacy, tact and a willingness to listen are now valued over the ability to frighten fresh recruits and is more important for them to [earn] the respect of those serving with them, say those in charge of teaching non-commissioned officers.
What are the odds that Russian or Chinese recruits are mollycoddled instead of subjected to stern discipline? The UK had better stay out of fights.
 
Its mighty military allowed Great Britain to spread and defend civilization throughout the world for centuries. Then came neoliberalism. Now we read this:

What are the odds that Russian or Chinese recruits are mollycoddled instead of subjected to stern discipline? The UK had better stay out of fights.
As Battery Sergeant Major Williams would have said:


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Butt-lift injector banned from carrying out procedures


Glacier collapse buries most of Swiss village
 
Yeah, they do that now, but I doubt in 2003 anyone expected a check to pay for church repairs to show up out of the blue. Hell, most churches that do have the legal right to force payment don't because it pisses people off. God knows 100k is unreasonable as hell, legality aside.
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Not like they were people of exceptional means to have that much lying around, not when they look like that.
I assume you understand that most chuches in England just about pre-date 2003 and that these chancel payments have been around for a long time ?
Solicitors have a care of duty to their clients ( obligation to make a profit by investigating it ) and they will recommend liability insurance if they believe there is even a chance of a payment being enforceable - so this matter has been around long before 2003 - as usual money to be made by solicitors and insurers.
Whilst I don't doubt what you said regarding these charges being very rare nowadays is true, most reasonably knowledgeable people will be aware and investigate before buying a house that could have such liabilities.
The chances of incurring £100k charges would be astronomically small ( not being an actuary, I wouldn't presume the exact possibility ) - but the covering insurance would have been a fraction of that cost. I would reason it like a massive downside risk in a black swan event. Often ( in finance anyway ) the distribution and downside of black swans is underestimated by the market, so taking out a small hedge in the form of some relatively cheap insurance to mitigate the liability would probably be worth it in my opinion - and I'm certainly not a risk averse individual.
Perhaps it's because where I live in Hobbiton in the Shire, these sorts of things aren't that unusual when moving, as it's quite leafy and there are many churches scattered around. The point you make about the unpopularity of these charges, given the dwindling support for any religion other than the one of peace in this country, might act as a suppressant to the appetite for imposing them, the costs will be greater and the negative press regarding stories such as these, but this could be counter balanced by the fact that there are probably less people available to pay for them.

Solicitors explain chancel repair liability

It looks like they did try to update the law around 2013......
However, a typical one-off premium for a standard residential property with £100,000 indemnity is around £25.

Given you're already being fleeced for thousands, I think I'd wipe my mouth, pay the £25 and move on.
 
I assume you understand that most chuches in England just about pre-date 2003 and that these chancel payments have been around for a long time ?
Solicitors have a care of duty to their clients ( obligation to make a profit by investigating it ) and they will recommend liability insurance if they believe there is even a chance of a payment being enforceable - so this matter has been around long before 2003 - as usual money to be made by solicitors and insurers.
Whilst I don't doubt what you said regarding these charges being very rare nowadays is true, most reasonably knowledgeable people will be aware and investigate before buying a house that could have such liabilities.
The chances of incurring £100k charges would be astronomically small ( not being an actuary, I wouldn't presume the exact possibility ) - but the covering insurance would have been a fraction of that cost. I would reason it like a massive downside risk in a black swan event. Often ( in finance anyway ) the distribution and downside of black swans is underestimated by the market, so taking out a small hedge in the form of some relatively cheap insurance to mitigate the liability would probably be worth it in my opinion - and I'm certainly not a risk averse individual.
Perhaps it's because where I live in Hobbiton in the Shire, these sorts of things aren't that unusual when moving, as it's quite leafy and there are many churches scattered around. The point you make about the unpopularity of these charges, given the dwindling support for any religion other than the one of peace in this country, might act as a suppressant to the appetite for imposing them, the costs will be greater and the negative press regarding stories such as these, but this could be counter balanced by the fact that there are probably less people available to pay for them.

Solicitors explain chancel repair liability

It looks like they did try to update the law around 2013......
However, a typical one-off premium for a standard residential property with £100,000 indemnity is around £25.

Given you're already being fleeced for thousands, I think I'd wipe my mouth, pay the £25 and move on.
You're no doubt much better informed than me since I was unaware the UK had such an antiquated practice still, but from what Wikipedia very briefly mentioned it seemed like what happened in 2003 woke everyone up as they realized these laws were actually still on the books, valid, and enforceable, and that the churches could very well send you a bill for whatever they felt like and you'd be obliged to cough it up.

Or in other words, was that all standard practice over twenty years ago when this event happened?
 
Or in other words, was that all standard practice over twenty years ago when this event happened?
It was for me. I think I bought my first house around 2003 and when I asked my parents about this very topic at that time, they acted very unsurspised that I was billed for an investigation ( the implication being that it had happened to them in the previous decades when they had moved house ). As I said previously, it could be that where I live means my experience is the exception rather than the rule and I would imagine this is something that will die out over the course of the next few decades, if not before.
 
So Histroydebunked made this video yesterday but I forgot to mention it but he does seem genuinely very depressed in this video. It's clear he hasn't got a lot of time left just and he's a very well travelled individual so for him to say that the England he remembers is gone and it's never going to come back (and god forbid with what were turning into) and then to seem some what distraught by that fact is pretty depressing to think about.

Not saying things don't ever change but the fact we fell so far from the 50's and 60's should speak magnitudes to how badly we have been ran, more so over the last 3 decades.
 
Alright I'm curious, without doxxing yourselves is your local weather reporter a flaming faggot?

Every time I go up and down the country to see gigs, I'll flip the TV on for a little bit while I'm getting ready and there's a shiny guy in a suit who is camp as Christmas telling me it's going to be drizzly showers.

Is that the pipeline for failed male drama students? To become weather reporters?
 
Glacier collapse buries most of Swiss village
Reading it it’s actually the mountain that’s collapsed, the glacier just came with it. But that doesn’t fit the narrative
The Swiss being the Swiss they evacuated everyone and every living thing out, including a cow that needed a helicopter ride. Typical Swiss efficiency.
 
So Histroydebunked made this video yesterday but I forgot to mention it but he does seem genuinely very depressed in this video. It's clear he hasn't got a lot of time left just and he's a very well travelled individual so for him to say that the England he remembers is gone and it's never going to come back (and god forbid with what were turning into) and then to seem some what distraught by that fact is pretty depressing to think about.

Not saying things don't ever change but the fact we fell so far from the 50's and 60's should speak magnitudes to how badly we have been ran, more so over the last 3 decades.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yMTFmA5MaFQ

Yeah, I saw that. The look in his eyes at the end was rather bleak. I remember even in the late 90s/early 2000s Britain still felt like Britain, that said I was still pretty young then. Still, that time now feels like it might as well have been an alternate reality, because this is how bad things have gotten. Its deeply saddening, and I don't have words for how I feel about what has been done to us, and what has been taken from us.
 
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