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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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A-Logato said:
The idea of Brexit was 0 foreigners. If you would have told us the vote was really between choosing do we want Eastern euros trash or niggers and jeets then we would have probably stayed if we knew what we were actually voting for.
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You'd have gotten niggers and jeets AND eastern euros if we'd stayed in the EU. Same as the rest of Europe is getting.

EU law says that any asylum seekers who set foot on EU soil cannot be deported to any place that might be dangerous. Their application for this is very selective. The 'Syrian' refugees could not be deported according to EU law, but (prior to the current nonsense of course) any Ukrainians fleeing the Civil War there were immediately sent back.

Part of the problem is the ECHR, which we are still a member of. The other, more serious part is that the elites don't want unfettered immigration to stop.
 
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I really hope that people don't fall for labours new bullshit; but I'm often let down by people forgetting the basic rule of "Watch what they do, ignore what they say." When it comes to politics.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I really hope that people don't fall for labours new bullshit; but I'm often let down by people forgetting the basic rule of "Watch what they do, ignore what they say." When it comes to politics.
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I think the days of them being able to con most of us are well and truly over - when both sides are calling them out continuously it's bad news for them.

Usually, one side will at least be supportive or 'gentle' towards the Government if it's their side who's won, but with this Government there is very limited support - even the #FBPE freaks of X/Twitter are now saying 'I regret voting for Labour, I'm voting Lib Dems/Greens next time'.

This Government is on borrowed time.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I really hope that people don't fall for labours new bullshit; but I'm often let down by people forgetting the basic rule of "Watch what they do, ignore what they say." When it comes to politics.
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When I neglecting the fact this thread is for Greggs, I gave a long, non-pasty related diatribe about how the media and attempts to suppress certain news can both benefit and harm the government, and how more and more people are getting their news online as the years go by, especially after the pandemic forced people to use the internet in ways other than recreational (forcing remote workers to make linkdn accounts, youngs having to do but be on the internet, etcetera).

I don't think a lot of people are going to hear of this. Radio listeners will get a condensed overview, which'll go in one ear and out the other at work. And if you're a telly watcher with freeview (60% of the country), the next time the news'll when you get off from work at 3 will be at 5PM on channel 5, when you ought to be watching The Chase, or at 6pm on ITV, at which point you'll watch the same episode again on ITV+1. Or you got in, slapped on More4, and let the back-2-back Four in a bed and Come Dine with Me marathons carry you to tea time. Not a PL, I swear.

Otherwise it might get overshadowed by Trump's pharmaceutical price caps, which could potentially increase the cost-burden of the NHS, which'll become a issue that'll take prominence — tax hike, increased borrowing, or spooky privatisation. We'll have to see.
 
Chunky Salsa said:
I really hope that people don't fall for labours new bullshit; but I'm often let down by people forgetting the basic rule of "Watch what they do, ignore what they say." When it comes to politics.
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Honestly it really depends on who you ask, some people are going to see through what the Labour as doing as "red meat" and trying to out right wing Reform and the Tories whilst at the same time letting in record amounts and spreading them around the country at your expense. These tend usually to already be right wing people.

On the flip side you get left wingers who see what Labour is doing as the up most betrayal and see zero subtext on political chicanery going on. Labour has started deporting people, turned on trans people and began kicking out all the obvious socialist and communist aspects of the party and that all they care about.

Really the only people who are going to buy what Labour is doing is the most Milquetoast, centrist or none political individual or what >IMPLYING said, someone who watches the TV and takes in what ever slop is presented to them at face value though as of late even these types of people are become less and less.
 
Buttfuck McGee Returns said:
Whoever is in charge of Starmer's account needs to be sacked. The constant tweets with no information like 'promises made, promises delivered' without even telling us what the fucking promise was are doing more damage to his public image than his actual policies.
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I'm waiting for "LAW AND ORDER!!" and his own personal covfefe arc. Either that, or the inevitable moment whatever zoomer intern is running the account uses it to favourite gay interracial gangbang porn. You know it's coming, even if it's Keir running it.
 
I said this a long time ago but it looks like it might actually be coming true, but it looks like the public have finally had enough of the standard two party system because both Labour and the Conservatives are far too big to be able to satisfy their entire voter base (which ranges FAR across the political spectrum). I know we've said it for a while but the sheer momentum and anger against the traditional two parties is something like I've never actually seen before. Normally people would show their dissatisfaction by not voting, but Reform is an amalgomation of voter apathy in general, voter apathy from both Labour and the Conservatives AND people who are straight up angry and want change.

Labour's last two leaders were Jeremy Corbyn and Kier Starmer who are pretty much opposites as far as the votebase is concerned, Corbyn was an ultra left wing nutter and Starmer is a boring centrist. Under many political parties this wouldn't be possible to have this much of a swing in votebase and in any rational world Labour would have split into two parties... except due to the two party system they have to stay together otherwise they'll get destroyed by the Conservatives.

The Conservatives on the other hand first had their first big wobble when UKIP came about and essentially cannibalised half their votebase by being significantly more right wing than the Conservatives but obviously managed to right that with the Brexit vote which saw UKIP no longer have a need. It showed that they TOO had two radical parties within the same party which required a split, but they had to stay together otherwise they'd get destroyed by Labour.

See the issue here? Both Labour and the Conservatives should be fragmented into multiple parties but can't because they have to play chicken and hope the other party does first, as otherwise they'd be slaughtered in elections due to FPTP.

Reform on the other hand have came in and managed to cannibalise both Labour AND the Tories because the biggest issue by far in the UK is immigration. They're also hitting the magic FPTP number where if an election was called today they'd go from just a couple of seats in parliament to having the majority. They're essentially grabbing voters from traditional Labour trade union type voters AND ultranationalist Conservatives, both of which are large enough votebases to have been parties by now, and they would have had they split.

Maybe I'm just being hideously optimistic here but the problems were telegraphed for years, but no party wanted to be the brave one to split their party completely, hence why you have the fucking bizarre situation of factions within parties which backstab each other to gain power. By not splitting, both parties have essentially got the worst outcome where thanks to FPTP the bigger party will eat them all up and leave them with a handful of MPs.

And you know what? Good. I hope the Tories have ZERO SEATS. I hope Labour get fucked hard. I hope the people who did all they could to sabotage the PR referendum realise what FPTP is going to do to a minority Labour and Tories. I hope Kemi and Kier have to fuck off to the US like Rishi did because public outrage is too much for them to reside in any UK city. I hope the UK media who have told us for decades that immigration is a great thing become unhirable. I am fucking FURIOUS and seeing Kier Starmer try and put a little bandage on the immigration issue after the ship has already sailed is just the icing on the fucking cake.
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Also hate to doublepost but here's something VERY funny.

Boris Johnson in 2019 saying that any immigrants should learn to speak English... shortly before he imported millions of Pakis, Muslims and Ubongos.

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"Immigrants should learn forced to learn English before coming here." 'Should' is holding the plausible deniability of his statement to Atlus-like proportions. He ramped up the anti-immigrant rhetoric to win after his bloc of pro-business Tories/ERG - who opposed May's ideas to cap immigration at 100k a year - forced her out. The only benefit of the doubt I'll give Boris is that he pledged to decrease it to 250k, yet his own party was still insistent on self-sabotage, parroting the long since dead idea that the issue was only with illegal immigration. Sunak probably had a hand in it, outright refusing the idea of doing something to lower the numbers and making some vague promises to stop boat crossing. He couldn't have given less of a shit if he tried.

Anyway, speaking of immigration: The Government's Immigration White Paper in full
- Measures will reduce immigration numbers by around 100,000 a year (full calculation for each measure below)

- Legislation will be brought in to make clear that the Government and Parliament - not courts - determine who should stay, tackling misuse of Article 8 (right to family life) to block deportations

Work reforms:

- Skilled workers will require university-level degrees to come to the UK, and salary thresholds will increase

- The Immigration Skills Charge - paid by sponsors - will rise by 32% for the first time since 2017, in line with inflation

- Social care visas will close to new overseas applicants; people already in the UK with work rights can extend or switch visas until 2028, subject to review

- A new Labour Market Evidence Group will be created to use better data to shape decisions on jobs and migration policy

- Key sectors that rely heavily on overseas recruitment will face new requirements to produce workforce strategies

- A Temporary Shortage List will be introduced to give time-limited access to the Points-Based immigration system for roles below RQF level 6

- Only jobs facing long-term shortages and backed by the Migration Advisory Committee will qualify for the above - if there’s also a workforce plan and employers commit to hiring more UK workers

- Discounts that allow lower salaries for shortage jobs will be scrapped, so all roles must meet the full salary threshold (Immigration Salary List)

- Some UNHCR-recognised refugees and displaced people with the right skills will be able to apply through the skilled worker route

- More routes will be opened for highly skilled people and top global talent to work in the UK

Study reforms:

- Graduates will be able to stay in the UK for only 18 months after their studies, compared to current period of two years

- A levy on income from international students is being considered, with the money potentially going towards domestic skills training

- Sponsoring institutions will face tougher requirements to be allowed to recruit international students

- The pass mark for compliance metrics will rise by 5%, meaning sponsors must now have at least a 95% course enrolment rate and 90% completion rate

- A new Red-Amber-Green rating system will show how well each sponsor is meeting compliance standards

- Sponsors at risk of failing compliance checks may face action plans and limits on how many new international students they can bring in

- Institutions using overseas recruitment agents must sign up to the Agent Quality Framework to ensure high standards

- Universities and colleges will need to show they’ve considered local impacts when planning international student recruitment

- Short-Term Study accreditation bodies will be reviewed to tighten checks before and during accreditation

Illegal working and foreign criminals:

- Foreign nationals convicted of crimes will be flagged even if not jailed, with new deportation thresholds reflecting seriousness of offences, including violence against women and girls

- Processes to remove foreign national offenders will be simplified, with extra action against recent arrivals who commit crimes before offending escalates

- Migrants will have to have digital IDs through eVisas, replacing Biometric Residence Permits

- Stricter checks will target people who claim asylum without any new or serious risks in their home country

- More resources will tackle illegal working - especially in sectors like the gig economy - using eVisas, biometric tech, and extra enforcement staff

- Banking checks will be updated to reflect tech changes and to act against those who break the rules, including tax evasion

- More reforms and stronger enforcement measures, including faster removals, will be announced later this year

- Pressure will be applied on foreign governments that block the return of their nationals

- Financial penalties and sanctions may be imposed on sponsors (employers or institutions) where abuse of the immigration system is found

Integration and community cohesion:

- English Language requirements for Skilled Workers and others will rise from B1 to B2 (Independent User level under CEFR)

- Adult dependants of workers and students will need to meet at least A1 (Basic User) English level, with plans to raise this over time

- Visa extensions will require proof of progress to A2 level, and B2 level will be needed for settlement

- Most settlement routes will now require B2-level English instead of B1

- The standard qualifying period for settlement will increase to ten years under a reformed Points-Based System

- Those making strong contributions to the UK economy or society could qualify for faster settlement and citizenship

- Family members of British citizens can still settle in the UK after five years, and protections remain for domestic abuse victims

- Parents of British or settled children who die will be allowed to stay in the UK permanently right away

- The Life in the UK test (which people must pass to become British citizens or settle permanently) will be reviewed and improved, and costs of applying for British citizenship could be reduced for young people who’ve lived in the UK for most of their lives

- Young people who’ve grown up in the UK without legal status will be helped to stay permanently, with extra support for those in care or leaving care
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This isn't nearly hard enough btw. But the silver lining is that if other parties want to siphon from Reform, they'd have to promise more than what's offered in this paper. Still far too many loopholes. The first point about article 8 is good to stop domestic courts deporting people, but we're still subject to the ECHR. The mandatory English they need to now has only gone up by one level, when it should be much higher. Also the 'stricter enforcement' action are just promises at the moment, with no deadline for implementation.

All change to make immigration harder and quell numbers is good, but this doesn't have enough meat to it. Plenty to criticise, as is the standard for Labour.
 
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Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
Also hate to doublepost but here's something VERY funny.

Boris Johnson in 2019 saying that any immigrants should learn to speak English... shortly before he imported millions of Pakis, Muslims and Ubongos.

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I think you're being more realistic than optimistic, all sides despise Labour which is unique in Government history as usually one side will at least be broadly supportive.

Do the Wokes/FBPE support Labour? No, they consider Starmer to be too Right-Wing.

Do most Centrists support Labour? No, as above, they consider Starmer to be too Right-Wing.

How about Welsh and Scottish Independents? No, not at all.

Therefore, who exactly does support this Government? Even among hardcore Europhiles and Lefties, none of them want Starmer to stay on because he won't respect trans people or he isn't doing enough to re-join the EU etc.

We therefore have a Government nobody wants which is actively working against BOTH Left and Right.

That isn't a Government, it is a dictatorship.
 
teriyakiburns said:
I'm waiting for "LAW AND ORDER!!" and his own personal covfefe arc. Either that, or the inevitable moment whatever zoomer intern is running the account uses it to favourite gay interracial gangbang porn. You know it's coming, even if it's Keir running it.
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Is it even someone in the government posting these tweets? I shouldn't have to scroll down to the fourth page of a Guardian live feed to find context for whatever the fuck he's talking about when he tweets
 
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