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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Bog-standard Poster said:
imagine thinking immigrants are working, let alone taking jobs.
Ironically, the most classist group is the bottom of the ladder benefit scrounge who won't work in a warehouse, or flip burgers, or clean roads because it's below them.
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Minimum wage and it's consequences have been a disaster.
Prior to it we had piece work, you could get your wages in by 1pm and work a 2nd job in the afternoon.
 
SirCliveSinclairdabbing said:
Minimum wage and it's consequences have been a disaster.
Prior to it we had piece work, you could get your wages in by 1pm and work a 2nd job in the afternoon.
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I had the pleasure of working with a group of old boys who used to work piecework. It was a fascinating learning experience of how they would work their bollocks off to get their targets hit so they could knock-off early. When they changed to the system they had when I worked there, productivity was down and the managers couldn't understand why.
They discussed bringing in a 4-day week to increase productivity but refused, point blank, to ever approach piece work again. Example No. 43057568 of why managers are retarded.

Minimum wage with piece-work incentives to boost numbers would work pretty well I reckon. But hey, who wants profits and better productivity if it means giving the shop-floor production proles a few more quid?
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
Minimum wage with piece-work incentives to boost numbers would work pretty well I reckon
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They moved to this model at the delivery company I worked at before I left. Those on the books got a basic day rate then anything they delivered over around 80 was an extra pound or they could finish their 80 and go home early. This worked great until some lard arse in an office complained that the on books drivers were leaving at 1pm, so it became you had to stay until 4 like everyone else.

This led to a couple chaps earning near enough £400 a day until the company decided they were paying too much money so scrapped the bonus scheme entirely. So then all the drivers finished at 1pm then sat in a lay by/went home/I went to the gym until home time. Fucking stupid.
 
BrightonAndHoveAlbion said:
They moved to this model at the delivery company I worked at before I left. Those on the books got a basic day rate then anything they delivered over around 80 was an extra pound or they could finish their 80 and go home early. This worked great until some lard arse in an office complained that the on books drivers were leaving at 1pm, so it became you had to stay until 4 like everyone else.

This led to a couple chaps earning near enough £400 a day until the company decided they were paying too much money so scrapped the bonus scheme entirely. So then all the drivers finished at 1pm then sat in a lay by/went home/I went to the gym until home time. Fucking stupid.
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It's always a jealous fat cunt in an office that doesn't like the workers earning money. I bet those lads worked at a fast pace all day to hit those targets, while fatty Mclardarse struggled to breathe, squeezed behind a desk before slothing off home to eat cheeseburgers.

If I had the power, like He-man, I would gut every company in the country of those who damage productivity.
 
A-Logato said:
So the London MET were spotted getting in some riot training recently.

notice anything?
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Apart from the obvious, I also notice how ineffectual and half-hearted they're being about the whole thing. Mincing around, flinching from their own battons, barely able to form straight lines. Weak, the lot of them. Riot police in the 80s would be walloping that bloke around his legs and shoulders before you could blink.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
imagine thinking immigrants are working, let alone taking jobs.
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Around half the staff of where I work are Bulgarian agency workers, and outside of them it's mostly Poles with a steadily increasing cohort of Indians. Englishmen do get hired when they show up but we're a clear minority.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Apart from the obvious, I also notice how ineffectual and half-hearted they're being about the whole thing. Mincing around, flinching from their own battons, barely able to form straight lines. Weak, the lot of them. Riot police in the 80s would be walloping that bloke around his legs and shoulders before you could blink.
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Riot police now would have this lot rounded up; but they are clearly told not to.
 
Monopolywheel said:
Apparently Albanians are 'White Europeans'

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People continue to assume "no migrants" is a race thing.
It's in living memory where the Poles and Irish were a bigger focus of that sort of rhetoric that anyone with a complexion darker than the average.

Which seems a good way to kick off a batch of news
A judge has apologised after a solicitor who refused to comply with security checks had to be restrained by court staff when she let them into the building through an “alternative entrance”.
Judge Jenna McKinney, who was sitting as a magistrate, was anxious for a court hearing involving the solicitor to go ahead when she let them in, a Judicial Conduct Investigations Office report said.

She has since resigned as a magistrate, but still sits as a tribunal judge for the Immigration and Asylum Chamber.
The duty solicitor had been “declined re-entry to the court for refusing to comply with security checks” in May 2024, the report said.

Members of the public usually have to walk through a metal detector and have their bags searched every time they go into court, but professional users like solicitors can sometimes skip the checks.
Neither the solicitor or the court in question were named in the report.
Judge McKinney accepted that she allowed the solicitor to “get back into court through an alternative entrance”.

“This led to a dispute between the solicitor and security staff, resulting in the solicitor having to be restrained,” investigators said.
Judge McKinney told the probe that her aim was “solely to ensure that a case involving several parties who were due to be represented by the solicitor was able to proceed”.

The judge “accepted with hindsight that her actions were inappropriate and apologised for them”, the report said.
Judge McKinney, who has a previously unblemished record, was handed formal advice for misconduct.
A spokesperson for the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office said: “The Senior President of Tribunals, on behalf of the Lady Chief Justice and with the Lord Chancellor’s agreement, has issued Tribunal Judge Jenna McKinney of the Immigration and Asylum Chamber with formal advice for misconduct.”
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Offshore deportation centres are fine with the UN and Labour, odd that the party was opposed to that sort of thing previously.
The Government’s plan to deport rejected asylum seekers to “return hubs” abroad is being backed by the United Nations’ refugee agency.
Insiders have described the move as “game-changing” as it comes in the wake of Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, discussing the prospect of paying countries in the Balkans to take Britain’s failed asylum seekers at a meeting with the head of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).
In a report in The Times, the Government is looking to open up a series of overseas hubs for failed asylum seekers, with the Balkans previously proposed.

Sources suggest Albania, Serbia, Bosnia and North Macedonia are being approached.
A UNHCR document setting out the “need for effective return systems and the potential role of return hubs” has indicated it would offer support to countries including the UK in putting the arrangements in place as long as it does not contradict its policy to protect refugees.

The UK could adopt the strategy of Italy which has two facilities in Albania to process asylum seekers intercepted in the Mediterranean Sea.
The agreement, thought by some to be controversial, aims to allow Italy to outsource some of its migration management responsibilities to Albania.
The UNHCR has said that in the UK’s case, monitoring arrangements would need to be in place at the hubs to ensure human rights standards were “reliably met”.
“It could be a game-changer because it will help give us the necessary legal cover against any legal challenge and will also help us politically with our Left-wing MPs who may have reservations,” the source said.

Another source added: “We are working on a range of solutions to tackle illegal migration, including working with countries across the EU and beyond on law enforcement cooperation to dismantle the criminal smuggling gangs profiting from small-boat crossings.”

Record numbers of arrivals are putting pressure on the UK to find a more expedient system of returning them Credit: Gareth Fuller/PA
It comes as record numbers of migrants have crossed the Channel this year, putting more pressure on the UK to process refugees.
On Friday alone, 51 refugees were taken onboard a Border Force vessel and disembarked at Dover harbour. They were alerted by reports of a medical emergency that resulted in the death of a migrant.

Chris Philp, the shadow home secretary, who has declared Sir Keir Starmer has “lost control” of Britain’s borders, said: “This shows that removing illegal immigrants to locations outside Europe is being considered by more and more countries.
“The UK could have led the world with our Rwanda removals scheme, but Labour cancelled it before it even started and now 2025 so far has seen record levels of illegal crossings.

“It is obvious that a removals deterrent is needed to stop illegal immigration.
“The UNHCR seem to be finally realising that, as does the incoming German government.
“The only government going in the other direction is ours, because it is led by Keir Starmer, a weak human rights lawyer.”
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Met warning people that Notting Hill carnival is going to end up as a mass casualty event. Archiving because when it does happen everyone will swear the police never warned about it
The London Assembly is calling for a review of crowd safety at Notting Hill Carnival amid police concerns about "a mass casualty event" at the two-day festival.
Susan Hall AM, chair of the assembly's Police and Crime Committee, said there have been "a number of incredibly worrying incidents with crowd density" at the carnival.
She raised concerns about the Metropolitan Police's ability "to keep visitors safe or to respond to any incidents that occur".
The committee said the mayor should conduct a full review of pinch points and there should be strict guidance for the number of stewards required across the carnival.

The committee also noted the Notting Hill Carnival is a "unique celebration of Caribbean culture and history" and attracts around two million visitors each year.
However, the volume of people also creates "a complex policing challenge".
As part of its policing operation for the 2024 Carnival, the Met had around 7,000 officers on duty, drawn from local policing teams as well as specialist units, with a total of around 14,000 officer shifts across the whole event.
Giving evidence to the committee in September 2024, the Met's Assistant Commissioner Matt Twist said: "While we acknowledge the crime often gets the headlines, the thing that worries me most is the crowd density and the potential for a mass casualty event."
Ms Hall said on Tuesday, after the publication of the committee report on public order policing in London: "We cannot stand by and wait for a tragic incident to happen, action must be taken."
She added: "Two people tragically lost their lives at last year's event due to violent crime, and it is absolutely essential that the Met is on hand to carry out its duties, and not fill in for a lack of stewarding from the organisers."
Cher Maximen, a 32-year-old mother and Mussie Imnetu, 41, who had been visiting London from Dubai, were both murdered at the carnival last year.

The Notting Hill Carnival takes place over two days over the August Bank Holiday along a three-and-a-half mile (5.6km) route in north Kensington, west London, and has been running for more than 50 years.
The organisers, Notting Hill Carnival Ltd, have said they use "experts from all areas of event organisation" and had 3,300 stewards on duty in 2024 to help manage crowds.
The new report from the assembly's policing committee also says increased public order demand in central London is putting the Met under strain, and this has not been matched with an increase in funding from the government.
It said: "Officers who have undertaken specialist public order training are now stepping back from public order work in increasing numbers, due to the demand of regular weekend shifts and impact on family life.
"The Met continues to rely on 'abstraction', where local officers are taken away from regular duties at short notice to support public order operations in central London.
"Taking neighbourhood officers away from their regular duties is having a continuing impact on local policing services."
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Speaking of plod they've complained at the BBC coverage around. Looks like the BBC tried to pull the same thing as with the Hamas propaganda and add a note explaining things but in the case of this mistake they did not pull it outright
A police watchdog has complained to Ofcom over an episode of Panorama about the shooting of Chris Kaba.
The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) went to the broadcasting watchdog after its request for a public apology from the BBC went unmet, after the programme initially aired without including the IOPC's statement in response to claims made by its own former regional director Sal Naseem.
A BBC spokeswoman said the corporation's own Executive Complaints Unit (ECU) ruling had judged the complaint to be "resolved" after it had been accepted as an oversight not to include the IOPC's point of view; the iPlayer version and online article were quickly amended.
Mr Kaba was shot dead after he tried to ram his way out of a police vehicle stop in south London in September 2022.

Speaking after the verdict at the Old Bailey, Mr Kaba's family said it was "painful proof that our lives are not valued by the system".
Mr Naseem told BBC Panorama that in his opinion, he had not been convinced that Mr Kaba presented a sufficient danger to justify being shot.
He suggested that the murder investigation into Mr Blake was launched amid pressure over potential unrest, which is denied by the IOPC.
The IOPC complained that the programme did not make clear that Mr Naseem no longer works for the watchdog, and that it was not given the proper right to reply to the claims over why the investigation was launched.
In the programme, Mr Naseem said that when the IOPC launched its homicide investigation four days after the shooting, "It was fed back to us... that if we hadn't done it at that time then it's likely there would have been a level of disorder."
The IOPC's statement denying this was added to the iPlayer version of the Panorama episode and online news stories.
The statement read: "The decisions to criminally investigate Sergeant Blake, and then refer the case to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), followed careful consideration of a significant amount of evidence gathered during our independent investigation and by applying the relevant legal tests which govern our work."
According to the BBC complaint unit's judgement, Panorama should have provided the IOPC with specific information about the claims to be made about it, and therefore found an element of unfairness to the IOPC.
However it noted the programme makers had taken subsequent action to include the organisation's right to reply in the iPlayer version and related online article, which was deemed "sufficient to resolve this aspect of the complaint."
But the IOPC said on Thursday it had complained to Ofcom because it was "hugely dissatisfied that, despite admitting these two breaches of its own guidelines, the BBC has steadfastly refused to apologise publicly despite the IOPC providing evidence to show the serious reputational damage caused to the organisation as a result of the programme.
"In particular, the suggestion within that programme, that the IOPC was pressured to start a homicide investigation, was wrong and resulted in public criticism from a number of media organisations and individuals including concerns raised by the London Assembly and local councillors about the IOPC's independence and motivations.
"Had we been aware this would be suggested, we would have strongly refuted it."
Mr Naseem said in the Panorama that he fully accepted the jury's verdict, but stood by the IOPC's decision to refer the case to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS).
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And in lighter news Hobbit's getting an official (Scottish) Gaelic translation.
The first Scottish Gaelic translation of JRR Tolkien's fantasy adventure The Hobbit has been completed by a professor at the University of Aberdeen.

Moray Watson, a professor of Gaelic and translation - and a lifelong Tolkien fan - started work on A' Hobat before the start of the Covid pandemic.

The translation was supported by the Gaelic Books Council.

Tolkien's book was first published in the 1930s and was later adapted for a series of films by director Peter Jackson.

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It follows the adventure of Bilbo Baggins, who is invited to join a dangerous quest led by a wizard and a group of dwarves.

Prof Watson's translation has been published following several edits.

He said: "I've read the book in at least nine languages so far.

"Whenever I learn a new language now, I always check to see if there is a translation of The Hobbit."

He added: "Every single time I read it, in every single language, I get to experience the deep, rich joy of discovering Tolkien's world."

The academic said it was a privilege to "delve deeply" into story's original maps, runes and illustrations when he was triple checking translations before publication.

Prof Watson said: "It's no wonder people fell in love with this book, and continue to do so nearly 90 years after it was first published.

"I'm very lucky to have had the chance to work with it and I hope that people enjoy it."

The professor is now working on a Gaelic translation of HG Wells' adventure story The Time Machine.

The Glasgow-based Gaelic Books Council has previously published translations of George Orwell's Animal Farm and stories by Scottish crime writer Ian Rankin.
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Blackpill coming re the poor.

My feckless friend Natalie of prior dispatches. Her younger daughter, all of thirteen. Moderate learning disabilities. I got a phone call today. The wean's pregnant. The father is 25 according to the social work, who managed to figure out who he was from the first name and description which is all the wean has of him. Of course Natalie did not know where the wean was going after school in the afternoons, and of course she was passing her time with the local deadbeat big brothers and cousins of her pals.

I don't think even the wean knows if this was a consensual encounter, and god help me I'm trying not to think too hard about it.

I have put the entire thing in the hands of her social worker. This is beyond me. No, no one is going to assist the police investigation. Fear of community reprisals, obviously.

The social worker is taking her to the Sandyford next week for termination. Natalie won't go. I had to go and sit there with her mother when we were thirteen. I'll not be the one who takes another child there. Natalie consented to the retention of the products of conception, so there's evidence he fucking raped a child, but well, as her social worker says "this happens all the time".

I am so full of anger and grief that this has happened to the poor wean and I don't even know where to start trying to make sense of it. I have a drink and a broken heart. No one should have to grow up like this. How is this a future.
 
isalaide said:
Blackpill coming re the poor.
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N'wah assuming it's not just a LARP you need to accept they are simply not human, or at the very least that they are not a part of our civilisation.
in reference to the tarded-kiddie rapists/the enablers not the potato-kiddies themselves, obviously, before somebody bites my head off, again.
My mum was born in a council house, there are plenty of humans that live in council estates, but also a lot of not-quites.
 
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@isalaide That's awful. That poor kid. Whether she thinks it was consensual or not, she's 13 years old. He's 25. That's rape whatever she says. And add learning difficulties on top of her age. What sort of man would do that. And now for the poor kid to go through an abortion as well.

Awful. Am so sorry. Though not really sure why this should be attributed to "the poor", per se. But awful to hear.
 
Overly Serious said:
@isalaide That's awful. That poor kid. Whether she thinks it was consensual or not, she's 13 years old. He's 25. That's rape whatever she says. And add learning difficulties on top of her age. What sort of man would do that. And now for the poor kid to go through an abortion as well.

Awful. Am so sorry. Though not really sure why this should be attributed to "the poor", per se. But awful to hear.
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In no way the fault of the poor. Just find myself thinking if she was my daughter and not Natalie's, the social work and the police and all would be taking what had happened to her a lot more fucking seriously. Who am I kidding. It wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I think I just wanted to tell someone, honestly, for which I'm sorry. I don't bring this shit into my own house. I have Nice Children who spend their time in tennis lessons and shit like that, they don't spend it amongst pedo junkies. There are two fucking worlds you can be born into in this country and sometimes I just find that very difficult to sit with.

I want to blame someone for what happened here. It just feels like there's so many people to blame. I feel guilty that I don't see her often enough to have picked up something was going on. She needs help and prompting to shower and dress, for fuck's sake, she really is a wean, she's not quite all there. I don't believe she actually understood what was happening or the consequences of it. I am entirely sure she doesn't quite understand what's going to happen to her next week.

What is it @Otterly always says, there but for the grace of God. This shit feels like some horrible eternal cycle.
 
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isalaide said:
In no way the fault of the poor. Just find myself thinking if she was my daughter and not Natalie's, the social work and the police and all would be taking what had happened to her a lot more fucking seriously. Who am I kidding. It wouldn't have happened in the first place.

I think I just wanted to tell someone, honestly, for which I'm sorry. I don't bring this shit into my own house. I have Nice Children who spend their time in tennis lessons and shit like that, they don't spend it amongst pedo junkies. There are two fucking worlds you can be born into in this country and sometimes I just find that very difficult to sit with.

I want to blame someone for what happened here. It just feels like there's so many people to blame. I feel guilty that I don't see her often enough to have picked up something was going on. She needs help and prompting to shower and dress, for fuck's sake, she really is a wean, she's not quite all there. I don't believe she actually understood what was happening or the consequences of it. I am entirely sure she doesn't quite understand what's going to happen to her next week.

What is it @Otterly always says, there but for the grace of God. This shit feels like some horrible eternal cycle.T
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The situation is awfully disgusting.

That being said, you can be incredibly elitist and snobby in your posts.
 
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