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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[isalaide]

Anecdote because I don't have an antidote.
Back in 2001 lads were saying they couldn't do overtime or they'd lose more in tax credits than they'd earn.

This was absolutely true. There were a HUGE number of working adults caught in the 'tax credits trap'. Which was really a fancy way of building a new poverty trap. You can't work your way out of poverty, because the point at which it costs you money to work more comes down like a fucking guillotine across your income and you go from 'just managing' to 'not managing'. It's still happening with UC now. We have one of the worst designed welfare-to-work systems in the developed world.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

This was absolutely true

Part of Maggie Thatchers planning was the antidote now I think about it. An environment that encouraged sole traders who can chuck stuff through cash in hand and reward the actual worker.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Anecdote because I don't have an antidote.
Back in 2001 lads were saying they couldn't do overtime or they'd lose more in tax credits than they'd earn.

They can't add up and are probably lazy.

People I work with won't do overtime because they hit the 40% tax bracket and say "I'll lose 40% of my wage" not understanding that don't lose 40% of all of their wages, and the 40% they do lose is still much lower than the 60% they earn.
A family member works part-time and tops their wage up with some sort of benefits. I tell them to get a real fucking job and they cry about how they would have to work 40 hours to equal what they earn now. I tell them to get a real job and they say "why?".
Lazy cunts.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

They can't add up and are probably lazy.

People I work with won't do overtime because they hit the 40% tax bracket and say "I'll lose 40% of my wage" not understanding that don't lose 40% of all

Nah, they could add up but I did work with some of the 40% fear crowd in the mid 00s. It was funny.

 

[isalaide]

They can't add up and are probably lazy.

People I work with won't do overtime because they hit the 40% tax bracket and say "I'll lose 40% of my wage" not understanding that don't lose 40% of all of their wages, and the 40% they do lose is still much lower than the 60% they earn.
A family member works part-time and tops their wage up with some sort of benefits. I tell them to get a real fucking job and they cry about how they would have to work 40 hours to equal what they earn now. I tell them to get a real job and they say "why?".
Lazy cunts.

Remember they might lose whatever their passporting benefit is, as well. UC is a passporting benefit for a variety of shit like free dental treatment, free prescriptions, Housing Benefit etc. People who add all that up, depending on their circumstances, need to work a shitload more to cover the effect of losing the benefit and the passported additional benefits. But work isn't free, the majority of people on benefits in this country have kids under 16. So you get into the cost of childcare, afterschool care, all that jazz. That cost has got to go against what your earn, too. A welfare system that actively disincentivises people to work is wrongly and poorly designed. We know from the oceans of data we have that outcomes - especially health and education outcomes - are much better in families where someone works as opposed to workless households, even when we control for similar net incomes. Our present system doesn't taper enough to do that, to support people to start new jobs even if they can't make them stick, to do as much work as they can without rendering themselves unable to pay the electric bill.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Remember they might lose whatever their passporting benefit is, as well. UC is a passporting benefit for a variety of shit like free dental treatment, free prescriptions, Housing Benefit etc. People who add all that up, depending on their circumstances, need to work a shitload more to cover the effect of losing the benefit and the passported additional benefits. But work isn't free, the majority of people on benefits in this country have kids under 16. So you get into the cost of childcare, afterschool care, all that jazz. That cost has got to go against what your earn, too. A welfare system that actively disincentivises people to work is wrongly and poorly designed. We know from the oceans of data we have that outcomes - especially health and education outcomes - are much better in families where someone works as opposed to workless households, even when we control for similar net incomes. Our present system doesn't taper enough to do that, to support people to start new jobs even if they can't make them stick, to do as much work as they can without rendering themselves unable to pay the electric bill.

I know what you're saying. In this case they're single with no kids, just a leftist bum with no work ethic.
There should be more incentive to work than benefit skive. Or, if you claim benefits, you get restrictions on what you can do and where you can go. This family member believes it's unfair that they can't afford luxuries or can't buy a house on part-time hours+benefits.

I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for not working, not putting more hours in and instead saying "muh pull bootstraps" and "lol boomer capitalist". Lazy fucks deserve to be deported as much as the wogs, and I'm tired of pretending they're not a scourge on the country.

Work shall set you free.

 

[Mound Dweller]

I'm sick and tired of people making excuses for not working, not putting more hours in and instead saying "muh pull bootstraps" and "lol boomer capitalist". Lazy fucks deserve to be deported as much as the wogs, and I'm tired of pretending they're not a scourge on the country.

Work shall set you free.

I don't blame them for milking the system the government is a bank to be robbed and shouldn't be treated with any level of sacristy.
The welfare system is fucked and actively discourages people who work to breed; if you're chavclass it makes no sense to work if you have kids why would you have a job doing yourself in 40+ hours a week just to barely be able to afford anything and be absolutely rinsed at every turn when you can have 100% leisure time or a 15 hour max for pocket money and still have everything paid for by daddy gov and a free ride everything for the sproglets?
My parents made the mistake of having self respect and we all suffered for it, and I will be eternally MATI over it; benefits are by design dysgenic.

 

[FedPostalService]

People who don't work should be poor. Before you start quoting examples for the deserving poor: I don't care.

 

[Mound Dweller]

People who don't work should be poor

This is pinko-tier softness; "people" who do not work should not eat.

 

[isalaide]

I don't blame them for milking the system the government is a bank to be robbed and shouldn't be treated with any level of sacristy.
The welfare system is fucked and actively discourages people who work to breed; if you're chavclass it makes no sense to work if you have kids why would you have a job doing yourself in 40+ hours a week just to barely be able to afford anything and be absolutely rinsed at every turn when you can have 100% leisure time or a 15 hour max for pocket money and still have everything paid for by daddy gov and a free ride everything for the sproglets?
My parents made the mistake of having self respect and we all suffered for it, and I will be eternally MATI over it; benefits are by design dysgenic.

One of the strongest arguments for universal free school meals (including breakfast) is that it would very effectively deliver decent meals to kids - who are in no way responsible for or deserve to be punished for whatever life choices their parents make - whilst at the same time completely bodyswerving the need to involve parents in delivering those meals. Giving people money to buy shit is less effective in terms of value for money and outcomes than directly delivering shit at a state level. We know this but for some reason, blethering about 'muh nanny state' is always allowed to get in the way of delivering services we then go on to deliver anyway in a less effective and economical way. Stop giving people money; give them stuff. Stop giving parents money to buy kids stuff; give stuff like hot meals directly to the kids. School uniform grants are fucking mental; give them fucking uniform instead. It would be so much cheaper and more effective. There are so many things in this country that are done shittily in the name of freedum and dignerty and free unterprize that should just be fucking done, properly, once, by the state. "You've got government clothes" yeah well you've got clothes that fit you and are clean. Choice is not a human right; getting your needs met is. We can't afford to meet kids' needs for meeting some fucked up concept of the dignity of choice of their parents. Choice is a luxury belief. Choice is what you get when you can afford it.

 

[Soggy paper straw]

Apparently Albanians are 'White Europeans'

Are Pakistani included in "British" (have given up their citizenship, so only have British) or are they simply not arrested?

Or I guess are they not committing as many crimes?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

why would you have a job doing yourself in 40+ hours a week just to barely be able to afford anything and be absolutely rinsed at every turn when you can have 100% leisure time or a 15 hour max for pocket money and still have everything paid for by daddy gov and a free ride everything for the sproglets?

Because the idea that living on benefits is better than working, spiritually, socially and financially, is a lie only believed by niggers.
If your job is shit, get a better one. Learning skills is free. Using groupon to get a certificate costs pennies. Walking into an interview in a suit costs £70 from Matalan (they're good quality as well). For £100 and six weeks of time that would be spent wanking, playing computers or taking drugs, you can add £10k to your annual salary.
Not only that, but the social and networking benefit of working trumps sitting in a stinking council estate, unhappy, scruffy and being a social outcast.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Not only that, but the social and networking benefit of working trumps sitting in a stinking council estate, unhappy, scruffy and being a social outcast.

N'wah when the alternative to living in a social housing shithole dossing all day drinking stinking of weed with you chavs m8s is... spending all your money renting somewhere equally shit not having time to not work/sleep for the same quality of life being real fucking sad because being a gloried workhouse outpatient is pretty crap you can see why there's little competition.

Because the idea that living on benefits is better than working, spiritually, socially and financially, is a lie only believed by niggers.

It's the truth that you just get a better deal on bennies, I know this I saw it first hand growing up and still do today, maybe it's a marginal thing sometimes and maybe it's not as good statistically but the fact is; they want for nothing, and they get it... for nothing.

 

[isalaide]

being a social outcast.

Having dwelt in the SLUMS myself: you're in no way an outcast when everyone else around you is dog poor and living the Jeremy Kyle lifestyle. You're just the same as everyone you know. This is why the lower middle class screeching at the chavs the bams and the neds never achieved anything. The lower middle class do not belong to the society of the TRUE NED STRONG AND FREE and the neds DGAF about what they think. You can't change the behaviour of someone by looking down on them when they DGAF what you think about them.

I was annoyed by being poor when I was amongst my own kind. It was a pain in the arse to be hungry and not washed and left outside all night. But it was the same for everyone around me, we were all little slum kids together. It was a completely different experience when I was rendered on paper "respectable" with a "respectable" bought house and that shit and was going to school with people who have actual money. Then, then I knew I was poor. I had more material comfort than I'd ever had before, but for the first time I wasn't the same as everyone else. Now that made me angry.

The neds are content as long as they stick to their own. Once they start getting suits and jobs that needs suits, you've just made it so they don't fit in anywhere.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

N'wah when the alternative to living in a social housing shithole dossing all day drinking stinking of weed with you chavs m8s is... spending all your money renting somewhere equally shit not having time to not work/sleep for the same quality of life being real fucking sad because being a gloried workhouse outpatient is pretty crap you can see why there's little competition.

There are more choices than just that. You can improve your lot in life, just dream a little and know there's more in life than shithole areas and council estates.

It's the truth that you just get a better deal on bennies, I know this I saw it first hand growing up and still do today, maybe it's a marginal thing sometimes and maybe it's not as good statistically but the fact is; they want for nothing, and they get it... for nothing.

But those people are a lie. I've seen it as well, but I've seen the bad side of it, people who want that gangsta, nigger lifestyle of claiming benefits. It's not a dream life, it isn't drama free, it's drama full. It's not worth living in the trenches when you can be sat in the HQ not getting shot at.
The people who are on benefits, who live with people on benefits, are scumbags and even those who don't start as scumbags, end up as scumbags. Nothing in life is free, not even a life of doing nothing.
Hard work, sweat, blood, tears, a sore back, a stressed head, it's a small part of life and getting above that is worth every hard day at work.

Having dwelt in the SLUMS myself: you're in no way an outcast when everyone else around you is dog poor and living the Jeremy Kyle lifestyle. You're just the same as everyone you know.

Those people are social outcasts. I would have had a giant mincer just left of stage on the Jeremy Kyle show and just sent all contestants straight into after the show had finished. They're social losers and nobodies in life. Small potatoes in a tiny field.

 

[Mound Dweller]

There are more choices than just that. You can improve your lot in life, just dream a little and know there's more in life than shithole areas and council estates.

You're looking at from your perspective as a thought-haver this mode of reasoning is alien to the subject matter.

But those people are a lie. I've seen it as well, but I've seen the bad side of it, people who want that gangsta, nigger lifestyle of claiming benefits. It's not a dream life, it isn't drama free, it's drama full. It's not worth living in the trenches when you can be sat in the HQ not getting shot at.
The people who are on benefits, who live with people on benefits, are scumbags and even those who don't start as scumbags, end up as scumbags. Nothing in life is free, not even a life of doing nothing.
Hard work, sweat, blood, tears, a sore back, a stressed head, it's a small part of life and getting above that is worth every hard day at work.

Yes indeed they live shit lives because they are shit people but they're all decked out in Canada Goose and for some reason they get their bills paid for them and I don't, this is the niche they land themselves in and the impetus to remove themselves from it? Nil.
It's kinda tragedy of the commons but with fewer livestock and more lotus eating.

 

[FedPostalService]

The neds are content as long as they stick to their own. Once they start getting suits and jobs that needs suits, you've just made it so they don't fit in anywhere.

They also hate people escaping almost as much as the middle class hate the idea of people escaping to them.

As a reformed prole I have to brush shoulders with milder class arseholes who think they are working class heroes and they make my skin crawl. The also really don't like speaking to me as they know I can see through there act.

At least my grandkids will have the pleasure of looking down at people guilt free.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

You're looking at from your perspective as a thought-haver this mode of reasoning is alien to the subject matter.

That's true. They're braindead mongs.

Yes indeed they live shit lives because they are shit people but they're all decked out in Canada Goose and for some reason they get their bills paid for them and I don't, this is the niche they land themselves in and the impetus to remove themselves from it? Nil.
It's kinda tragedy of the commons but with fewer livestock and more lotus eating.

They can have their rockport and burghaus. They can have their weed-dealing on the side. I'll take hard work, long hours and occupied time over than being a braindead, niggercattle benefit leach any day of the week.
Different strokes for different folks but I've been rewarded for choosing the path less travelled and working hard.

 

[isalaide]

Those people are social outcasts. I would have had a giant mincer just left of stage on the Jeremy Kyle show and just sent all contestants straight into after the show had finished. They're social losers and nobodies in life. Small potatoes in a tiny field.

I just don't think your condemnation means anything to those it's aimed at, with love. I was never ashamed of being disrespectable poor, because everyone I knew was disrespectable poor, too. I was completely utterly ashamed of being respectable lower middle class, because everyone I knew then was upper middle class, and to them it made no difference whether you were a poorfag with a job and a suit or a poorfag in a Kappa tracksuit. The disrespectable poor are not going to become respectable because the call centre workers of the nation call them bad names. (Mostly we just mug them tbh.) The various administrations of recent decades have absolutely given up on social progress, on displaying social progress as something to strive for, and as a result no one currently in the People's Republic of Ned sees any reason to leave. I know. I go back there. I go back there because I made promises to look after some people, and those people are never going to get their shit together to have the better life you're talking about, because they don't see any fucking point.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I just don't think your condemnation means anything to those it's aimed at, with love. I was never ashamed of being disrespectable poor, because everyone I knew was disrespectable poor, too. I was completely utterly ashamed of being respectable lower middle class, because everyone I knew then was upper middle class, and to them it made no difference whether you were a poorfag with a job and a suit or a poorfag in a Kappa tracksuit. The disrespectable poor are not going to become respectable because the call centre workers of the nation call them bad names. (Mostly we just mug them tbh.) The various administrations of recent decades have absolutely given up on social progress, on displaying social progress as something to strive for, and as a result no one currently in the People's Republic of Ned sees any reason to leave. I know. I go back there. I go back there because I made promises to look after some people, and those people are never going to get their shit together to have the better life you're talking about, because they don't see any fucking point.

I respect that, but you're assuming I give a fuck about these people, I don't. I, like many, learned the hard way to not help people who don't want to be helped, or those who enjoy being helped at the detriment to the helper.
Without any anger, or hate, I genuinely don't give a fuck about them, nor the middle-class or upper-class. I don't give a fuck about anyone but me - which took a long, long time to realise that's the best way in life, because nobody gives a fuck about anyone but themselves ultimately.

Let the chavs have their shitty corner of the world. I would nuke it, given the choice, but until I get the choice, I couldn't give a shit if the people there live, die, thrive or suffer. They're bacteria best avoided. And it isn't just the poor. Those who have opportunity and waste it are useless niggers as well.