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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Fuck Starmer and the shit Labour Party, they deserve to be hung, drawn and quartered.

A sad story from Britbongland: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2kg9px5n03o

49 years behind bars and might never get released.

I'd say it's a fair sentence, given what he did, but what the hell is up with kids these days? At 19, I was out enjoying my life, not planning on executing people I didn't like because I believed they had 'done me wrong'.

This is sadly the new pandemic - kids who can't cope with life committing stupid acts which will leave them locked up for life.
 
Update on the Talbot rozzer mayhem. A name has been released of one, Alexander Stephen Dighton, 27. No picture yet so I'll hold off on an apology the innocent Welsh wogs for now.
In the same South Wales town:


Very strange as that part of South Wales is not usually thought of as violent - even the Western Valleys of Rhondda and Cynon (Aberdare/Mountain Ash) aren't too bad compared to years ago.

Merthyr Tydfil still has a bad reputation for violence, drugs, thefts and assaults as does Pontypridd, but nothing in comparison to London, Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow. Nearby Bridgend is also okay but the town centre is rotting to death (sadly - well done Labour and Tories!)
 
This reminds me of some pro-LGBT film that was shown in our school, I forget the name but the teacher was this gay black man who you could tell was gay just by the way he talked and looked and there's this girl that gets bullied because people think she's a lesbian and there's this closeted-homosexual who bullies other homosexuals and gets stopped from committing a stabbing by his mother. It had this really annoying "emotional ukulele" strum that would play after every "deep" scene.
Fit (2010)?
 
In the same South Wales town:


Very strange as that part of South Wales is not usually thought of as violent - even the Western Valleys of Rhondda and Cynon (Aberdare/Mountain Ash) aren't too bad compared to years ago.

Merthyr Tydfil still has a bad reputation for violence, drugs, thefts and assaults as does Pontypridd, but nothing in comparison to London, Birmingham, Manchester and Glasgow. Nearby Bridgend is also okay but the town centre is rotting to death (sadly - well done Labour and Tories!)
It's south Wales, it's chavvy Like how you have to get past Llandudno to get away from the scousers.
 
Can't we just send all the little bastards to seven weeks of boot camp instead of the school summer holidays for a laugh anyway. They will come back thin and fit and motivated to not be conscripted, this is an all round win
What the fuck do you think happens in British Army training? If a recruit 'refuses to soldier' ie has a temper tantrum, they just send him home. The Army can't take shitbags and turn them into actual worthwhile people, that's their parents job.
 
What the fuck do you think happens in British Army training? If a recruit 'refuses to soldier' ie has a temper tantrum, they just send him home. The Army can't take shitbags and turn them into actual worthwhile people, that's their parents job.
Some actual screamers are a lost cause. But not everyone's a screamer, a lot of lads if given a chance could really benefit from some responsibility and good role models. And that's what a lot of the problems these days come down to, giving kids no responsibility and having no decent male role models to look up to. They have no one to strive to be like by bettering themselves. They don't try because they don't think they can be better. This is why Andrew Tate blew the fuck up. The cucking of fathers and male role models has fucked society.
 
What the fuck do you think happens in British Army training? If a recruit 'refuses to soldier' ie has a temper tantrum, they just send him home. The Army can't take shitbags and turn them into actual worthwhile people, that's their parents job.
I don't want to turn them into soldiers. Just call it fucking national service or something. Make the little fuckers exercise and get a few punishment beatings for the summer, toughen them up some. Gen Z have not been beaten sufficiently as small children and now look at the state of them. Pale and blobby and self pitying.
 
I don't want to turn them into soldiers. Just call it fucking national service or something. Make the little fuckers exercise and get a few punishment beatings for the summer, toughen them up some. Gen Z have not been beaten sufficiently as small children and now look at the state of them. Pale and blobby and self pitying.
They're very good at living rent free in your mind as well. Perhaps if you wanted to toughen them up you could raise aforementioned rent?
 
Top story on the BBC is this one about Lucy letby

Headline, "Private notes and emails reveal inside story of hospital struggle to stop Lucy Letby"

It's an animation, with little pop-up flashcard like quotes and snippets. The BBC are covering for the NHS here and they're showing their hand.

When was the last time you saw animation like this in a news article? And it comes on the back of the announced investigation preceding Letby's time there and a request to cancel said investigation.
 
We live in a developed first world nation
I agree with all you say (except you are not old, and you haven't even seen the middle let alone the end of your personal road yet, okay) but I pulled this bit out because this is the used needle between the bus seats of UK Life Now for me.

The problem is, I think that this is essentially no longer true, and I think we are living through the fairly horrible period whereby the generation roughly equivalent to the millenials are going to be the ones watching that realignment happen.

This is generally the point where fellow kiwis get very angry at me and yell something about demoralisation, or similar. I do not engage in whatever that is supposed to mean. Perhaps I just don't express my thoughts very well. What I mean is, often there is much talk among us of Something Needs To Be Done and Something Will Be Done. And... I don't think Something Is Going To Be Done.

There is a phrase that comes up a lot in writing about the last century of the UK's history, and it's "managed decline". The loss of the Empire. The loss of the biggest Navy. ("You English think you are so great because you have BOATS" is the best bit of Napoleon.) The loss of the eminent world position that saw Britain sit at Yalta. The loss of our skilled manufacturing industries, the loss of our unskilled manufacturing and mining. The transition to a post-industrial services economy as per the Thatcher reforms. (You can argue about whether or not she was right that "there is no alternative". But the economic reforms that got us where we are are substantially the work of her administrations, regardless of how you feel about them.). The loss of an ethnically homogenous society in significant areas of the UK. The gradual... enshittification of many of the 'institutions' of UK life.

It's a managed decline because it's happened slowly. But to sum up what I mean, I believe it is still happening. I think there was an assumption around the early 2000s that it was done, that the UK had realigned its place in the world and we were now where we were going to settle. I do not think that any more. I think, to borrow a phrase from in rooms, we have not yet hit our personal rock bottom. I think things are going to get worse, economically and I am sure socially, but I don't think they were get worse, Something Happens, and then they get better. I think it is more like boiling a frog. I think things are going to get shittier, nothing will happen, and eventually the UK will find its new level.

And I don't believe that level is going to be Banger Fire Top 10 Nation In The World Booyakasha. I said this about the Slovenia thing in the news last week, I think at this point the UK public are still surprised to hear living standards for your average punter in Slovenia are better than here. I don't think in 10, 15 years any cunt will be surprised by that. I think we are continuing to drift down as other countries start to move ahead.

In my lifetime, Germany was reunified, the Iron Curtain and the Soviet Union ceased to exist, and the EU was born as the new power bloc of our continent whilst China became a superpower. Now, regardless of how anyone may personally feel about those developments, they have rewritten the world in which we live in fundamental ways.

I think we are, right now, in the UK, living through a shift just as big. It's just a shift that is from 'things are not great' to 'things are pretty crap tbh'. I think our children will enter their adulthood in country fundamentally different in nature, in economic forecast, in international power, from the one we (certainly I, who graduated in the comparatively halcyon days of Blair) entered into adulthood in. I think their prospects will look drastically different from ours. I think probably even different - and yeah I mean worse - than the ones the kids now are trying to get to grips with.

I don't think Something Will Be Done about this. I see and hear much talk, honest talk, about the Need To Act in some way and I see and hear a lot of very cogent analysis of what the problems are.

What I do not see, honestly, genuinely, not speaking as the voice of doom but my honest reflection, is any sign anywhere that Something Will Be Done. I see a frog, boiling. I see a sort of surrender to fate on the part of the majority of the populace. Was the Brexit vote an act of mass defiance, yes, pretty much. What did it accomplish, well, I don't think anyone who voted to Leave did so expecting and wanting the issue of legal and illegal migration to massively worsen, to look even more insoluble, and the economic headwinds the UK faces to get even stronger. The "real Brexit has never been tried" argument is not relevant here, regardless of how interesting it is. The public perception is that the Brexit vote was their demand for Something To Be Done and what has followed it is Everything Got Worse.

And yet. And yet. Do you see, hand on heart, no copium about Farage, but honest bet-your-life-on it, any signs, anywhere, in the public mood, in civil society, that anything is going to happen. I expect at least one person to say "the public will vote for Reform and they will engage in sweeping civil and economic reform and everything will greatly improve". Respectfully, they already voted for Brexit, they already had a swing at voting for Reform, and the sum total of what has been delivered is, well, fuck all. As Austen wrote "Nothing is to be expected from that direction". Do I see any rival populist (I struggle for a more accurate term so let's use that one) movement or party coming to rival them. No, I do not, quite honestly.

I think things are changing around us, very quickly, and they are changing in a way that if not permanent (nothing is) is definitely going to set the social and economic tone of this country for the next 40 or even 50 years. I think we are disoriented by the speed and apparent uncontrolled nature of that change. What really worries me though is that our way of life where you got a degree and a nice enough job in an office that could buy you half a house with a partner, is going to look as fucking quaint to our kids and grandkids as my old uncles' tales of their time working in the shipyards sued to sound to me as a kid.

That's what worries me. The very real feeling that our grandparents and parents lived through the change of deindustrialisation, and we are currently living through the change of... wherever the fuck it is the UK is going now. A second world country. Faded grandeur. Austria in the 1950s and 60s, but fucking worse.

Do you get where I'm coming from
 
I think we are, right now, in the UK, living through a shift just as big. It's just a shift that is from 'things are not great' to 'things are pretty crap tbh'. I think our children will enter their adulthood in country fundamentally different in nature, in economic forecast, in international power, from the one we (certainly I, who graduated in the comparatively halcyon days of Blair) entered into adulthood in.
I completely agree, and I have a pretty good idea of what our future looks like.

About 20 years ago, I spent some time in south America - Paraguay and Argentina, specifically. In both countries, there are obvious signs of a wealthy past everywhere you look, but especially in Argentina you could see how rich the country used to be and how far it had fallen into the mire since it's height. Buenos Aires is full of classical architecture. In the centre, around the still-wealthy tourist areas, it felt like a cross between London and New York, full of solid, century-old buildings on roads with weighty old names, mingled with the trappings of modernity. Then you'd see a horse and cart hauling piled up hay down the main street, poverty-stricken districts at the distant end of a long road, and the beggars on every corner, and you'd realise just how run down and worn out everything was.

There was no middle class; there were the lumpen poor on one side, and on the other the rich. They lived in completely separate worlds, with their own shops, culture, places where it was acceptable for them to be seen, and everything else you can think of, with no chance of moving from one state to the other.

Paraguay was the same, but more extreme somehow. It's difficult to get across. They had vast glass and steel government buildings across the street from an enormous shanty town, inhabited by people who thought a wind up radio was a luxury. It was a matter of immense pride if you could afford menial staff.

I am 20 years out of date on my perception of these places (I'm told much has changed in Paraguay in some ways; the roads are vastly improved), but it doesn't actually matter. What matters is that's the kind of future we're looking at in this country. There will be the rich, and then everyone else. No middle class, no social mobility (except down, for the unlucky), no security, just the same endless mass of the poor, fighting over scraps in the faded ruins of imperial glory. A country that was once wealthy, but now isn't.
 
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