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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[starborn427614]

Can't work because of a crippling disability?
Can't afford to turn the heating on because benefits are gone?
Can't afford food because welfare has been ended?
One simple solution; Kill yourself, courtesy of the British government.

How many months away from this are we?

We're supposed to be a welfare state, but it's like the Tories never left.

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

I’m sure the British public are going to love when their home towns are full of prostitutes bothering people. (It’ll just be illegal for anyone to pay for sex)

I hate how lefty politicians make these retarded policies but no right wing politician has the backbone to use this to their advantage.
Why not point out the inconsistencies of holding two insane beliefs at the same time:

1] We are a tolerant progressive society.
2] Multiculturalism is our strength.


All someone would need to do is make a proposed amendment to the bill - "Yeah okay, we're going to legalise street accessible prostitution...but only in certain districts."


Like how all gay rights parades should pass by at least 1 Mosque.

What's good for the goose etc.

 

[Smyrna]

Whilst their polling has held up, the internal bleeding at Reform continues. This evening, the 5 officers for a branch covering 2 constituencies (Chester North & Neston, and Ellesmere Port & Bromborough) resigned en masse. The (now former) branch chairman posted the letter of resignation on their X account;

https://nitter.net/chrislittlewoo8/status/1900602989699600761

You may argue that these are just a handful of people covering a tiny part of the country, who can be easily replaced without any lasting damage. There is, however, one wrinkle - both of those constituencies are bordered to their east by the constituency of Runcorn & Helsby. Reform are going to need a lot of warm bodies to knock on doors in Runcorn over the next few weeks, and many of those bodies will need to be sourced from neighbouring constituencies - you aren't going to get many volunteers traversing the entire country from Clacton, Thurrock or other Reform-y parts of East Anglia. The organisation of these volunteers will now clearly be hampered.

There was, also today, a poll published by Lord Ashcroft for that constituency showing that Reform would currently win the by-election. But the margin is small, and it is undoubtedly the ability of parties to get their voters out that will make the difference. Reform clearly underperformed last July because they could not target any more than 4 constituencies (the 4 they won excluding South Basildon & East Thurrock, which was something of a fluke). Now that there has been a poll showing them ahead in Runcorn, the narrative and expectation will be for them to win. If they don't, the momentum is gone.

 

[starborn427614]

1] We are a tolerant progressive society.
2] Multiculturalism is our strength.

Not saying I agree with all of this, but I don't think either point contradicts the other. Logically, a tolerant society would already be multicultural by default.

 

[GameratePTSD]

Checking in on the BASED trad muslims who will save our perverted Western societies from degeneracy.

 

[BrownPawsTypedThis]

Not saying I agree with all of this, but I don't think either point contradicts the other. Logically, a tolerant society would already be multicultural by default.

This assumes multiculturalism is good.

 

[DeeDee Megadoodoo]

Not saying I agree with all of this, but I don't think either point contradicts the other. Logically, a tolerant society would already be multicultural by default.

Not necessarily. The 1970's US was tolerant but not "multicultural". There was one cultural standard... but it tolerated the existence of degenerates.

 

[starborn427614]

Not necessarily. The 1970's US was tolerant but not "multicultural". There was one cultural standard... but it tolerated the existence of degenerates.

True, the notion of tolerance has changed over the years. Not to mention that what seemed progressive back then would seem conservative by today's standards.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Checking in on the BASED trad muslims who will save our perverted Western societies from degeneracy.
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This is based and trad for Muslims.

 

[isalaide]

Starmer will not be removed. The backbenchers and the criers on the front bench will continue to cry, because that is how the Labour party operates.
But none of them are bringing down their own government. Pissing out of the tent is better than pissing in by a long fucking chalk in our political system. The Labour party knows how to do one thing correctly; they know how to shore up their personal position. Cooper and Miliband would do better personally off the lead than on it, so the gamble will pay off for them.
Sacking 30,000 "useless middle managers" out the NHS who aren't "our nurses and doctors" is popular with the public. The public in this country do not understand household finance, let alone public service economics, but most of the population of the UK are snide little cunts who are happy as long as someone else is suffering too.
This is also why further cuts to disability benefits and Hammering The Neets are very popular.
The actual effect on the individual benefit claimant isn't important, because those people's votes don't matter. What matters is the voters on 29 grand a year who are sort-of Reform and voted Leave, and they want the bogeyman "benefits cheat scammer never worked bastard" hammered. Those people do vote, they substantially decided the last two general elections, and they will absolutely be given what they say they want.
The public services, welfare state, cradle to grave party is over. The music stopped a while ago; the great Bri'ish public are only just looking for a seat and realising the chairs have been cleared away. The "we are poorer than Slovenia" is news now. In ten, fifteen years' time it will simply be how things are. This is the economic realignment we refinanced our collective future to avoid in 2008, and pretended wouldn't likely happen after 2016. It's here. We are all going to get a big bite of the shit sandwich.
This is how we live now, here.

 

[Snekposter]

We have enough money to let native pensioners heat their homes. We are spending billions on putting migrants up in hotels and giving them free private health and dental. Wages in this country are so low and taxes so high that people aren’t able to save much. We can look after our own if we stop spunking the tax money up the wall on useless stuff and actively damaging stuff.
How much public money went to the private purse during covid, for nothing? A billion? hundred billion? More? Our grandkids will still be paying it off.
Imagine if we had people who were intelligent, not corrupt and who worked diligently for the good of the country in charge.

If you can find those sorts of people, would you mind letting us across the Pond borrow them for a short time? Pretty please?

That interview where he talks about not dreaming or having a favorite book backs that up.
‘You asked me questions I’ve never asked myself’: Keir Starmer’s most personal interview yet

Is this man even a person, or a blob of person-shaped meat in a suit?

 

[The Crack Spiders Bitch]

Not saying I agree with all of this, but I don't think either point contradicts the other. Logically, a tolerant society would already be multicultural by default.

No, because different cultures do not treat people equally like a liberal or progressive society does.
They are most likely to be in direct opposition to eachother.

Take homosexuality for example, a tolerant society goes :
"Yes, you are considered equal to heterosexuals under the law"

Whereas many cultures think homosexuality is an abomination that should be punishable by death.
How do you respect the culture of "all homos should die" while upholding "homos are equal and not to be excluded from society"?

Many such cases.
Women should be free to choose who they marry - progressive.

If a woman marries someone who is not who our family wishes her to marry, she has brought dishonour to the family and should be killed - multicultural

Even things like Ramadan, there have been many posts on social media of Muslims complaining about people eating near them during Ramadan.

 

[the rat]

you would have to be enormously stupid to do it

hahahahahahahaha yeah man who would be that stupid.

 

[FedPostalService]

Can't work because of a crippling disability?
Can't afford to turn the heating on because benefits are gone?
Can't afford food because welfare has been ended?
One simple solution; Kill yourself, courtesy of the British government.

How many months away from this are we?

Weirdly these are policies I can get behind.

We're supposed to be a welfare state, but it's like the Tories never left.

The Tories were in power for 14 years and didn’t do anything like this, you fucking retard.

Labour are getting away with doing this because the media is chanting “four legs good, two legs bad.”

You can’t blame the Tories for this as they would never have been able to get away with it.

Labour are doing this. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Tory Derangement Syndrome is a disease.

 

[Otterly]

If you can find those sorts of people, would you mind letting us across the Pond borrow them for a short time? Pretty please?

Ironically, the people who would use power well are the type who dont particularly want it and don’t seek it.

Is this man even a person, or a blob of person-shaped meat in a suit?

A nebulous chittering of demonic entities in a human shaped meat suit and expensive glasses.

 

[Overly Serious]

Take homosexuality for example, a tolerant society goes :
"Yes, you are considered equal to heterosexuals under the law"

A little bit of a tangent but there's a key foundational difference in attitudes between modern West and other cultures and it is that in the modern West, a homosexual is considered something you are, in an intrinsic way, and elsewhere homosexuality is considered something you do and that your status as a homosexual follows from your action.

This is critical because it is the basis by which Western academics defend homosexuality because it backdoors (pardon the term) justification under the modern Western doctrine of no-one should be condemned for something that isn't their fault / who they are. If homosexuality is externally determined, one cannot condemn someone for being one. If homosexuality is determined by you doing homosexual things, that foundational requirement for tolerance is stripped.

Language has powerful influence on beliefs that often goes unobserved. Take the very word homosexuality. It encompasses both gay men and lesbians, etymologically. Yet to my observation, gayness in men and lesbianism in women are markedly different things and likely different causative factors. They're not even definitionally the same thing in absolute terms: One is an attraction to women and the other an attraction to men. That's a very fundamental difference which there is no key reason to say that in which sex it occurs outweighs in which direction it points. But "homosexual" is a word and it applies to both for etymological reasons and people think of the two together. I can think of few sex-related groupings that have less in common than gay men and lesbian women. Hell, even some Islamic scholars have said that lesbianism matters a lot less than male homosexuality. Lesbians have probably harmed themselves politically more in the long run than gained, by shackling themselves to the male gay rights movement.

It just bugs me how much political and cultural control can be gained by manipulating basic concepts and setting up the categories in advance. And your lines above are a good example of how that works. It is a (specifically modern) Western concept that allows for:
"Homosexuals and Heterosexuals should be treated equally under the law".

Go back even a hundred and fifty years or to another culture today and the underlying concepts would read:

"A person who does homosexual things should be treated equally as someone who does not do homosexual things".

Suddenly, the homosexuality is a behaviour that is external to the individual and is thus exposed and vulnerable to people saying "is the behviour good or not?"

Is that shift in underlying conceptions and language deliberate? That's another question.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I disagree, every party has limits and remember they want to keep their job at the end of the day. Again on their resume co-signing killing disabled people is not pretty good on your CV. There are accounts from numerous politicians where they have had to move or change their lives because people would heckle them and their families for things far less minor.

I am for welfare reform however the current proposed model is there CLEARLY to aid migrants, especially Muslims. Interbred children, child cap lifted and "looking for work". They are trying to make white people a supine group whilst fucking Ayaisha down the road pops out interbred children endlessly. I have not seen that observation yet, and I think I am correct. Look at the court changes, last year all this is loaded.

Now back to limits, Starmer did the NHS England scrapping off the cuff. He did not even take it to the cabinet and that is dangerous, no PM should be doing these things without consultation because to do that in a negative growth period has a severe cascade effect. His cabinet and backbench are seeing this now because he and Reeves announce shit but never think of the consequence and that not only from the eyes of MPs is terrifying but also for the public especially when it is with a child emperor.

Those kinds of decisions do not help at all in our financial state but also our culture. MPs are sensing the unrest and correctly trying to avert and prevent even Cooper has gone quiet as of late because she knows it's a pressure cooker. Believe it or not, some politicians do care I know this is a naive take but this is surprisingly a group of MPs who can tell it is a terrible idea. If it is with two-tiered intentions (it is), when people have noticed they will the unrest will be the final nail.

 

[Coolio55]

Hell, even some Islamic scholars have said that lesbianism matters a lot less than male homosexuality.

Those guys also have some pretty epic arguments for pederasty.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Hell, even some Islamic scholars have said that lesbianism matters a lot less than male homosexuality

Shades of Lunkashenko.

I disagree, every party has limits and remember they want to keep their job at the end of the day. Again on their resume co-signing killing disabled people is not pretty good on your CV.

You'd think so, but super wholesome chungus Canada went all-in on labunwerts lieben.

 

[isalaide]

I disagree, every party has limits and remember they want to keep their job at the end of the day. Again on their resume co-signing killing disabled people is not pretty good on your CV. There are accounts from numerous politicians where they have had to move or change their lives because people would heckle them and their families for things far less minor.

I am for welfare reform however the current proposed model is there CLEARLY to aid migrants, especially Muslims. Interbred children, child cap lifted and "looking for work". They are trying to make white people a supine group whilst fucking Ayaisha down the road pops out interbred children endlessly. I have not seen that observation yet, and I think I am correct. Look at the court changes, last year all this is loaded.

Now back to limits, Starmer did the NHS England scrapping off the cuff. He did not even take it to the cabinet and that is dangerous, no PM should be doing these things without consultation because to do that in a negative growth period has a severe cascade effect. His cabinet and backbench are seeing this now because he and Reeves announce shit but never think of the consequence and that not only from the eyes of MPs is terrifying but also for the public especially when it is with a child emperor.

Those kinds of decisions do not help at all in our financial state but also our culture. MPs are sensing the unrest and correctly trying to avert and prevent even Cooper has gone quiet as of late because she knows it's a pressure cooker. Believe it or not, some politicians do care I know this is a naive take but this is surprisingly a group of MPs who can tell it is a terrible idea. If it is with two-tiered intentions (it is), when people have noticed they will the unrest will be the final nail.

I admire your optimism. This is not the first Labour government of my adult life. Nothing will happen. There will be a light tweaking at the edges of welfare reform, and the benefits will be cut.

There is no alternative. There is no fucking money, and if it became possible in a practical way tomorrow to pap out all second and third generation immigrants born here, there still wouldn't be any fucking money. This country doesn't make anything people want bar luxury goods, and it shot a number of its key service industries in the face.

Economic recovery requires the country to have enough power to get up off the canvas. The engine of economic growth in this country for thirty years has been consumer spending. No one can afford to go down the shops any more. The music has stopped and we don't have a chair to sit on.

The cuts to the welfare state model are going to be bloody, and yes, people are going to die in a way that is traceable back to these cuts. In the case of disabled people, this has already been happening for fifteen years. Never seen much about it in the media, eh, no you won't have and that's why I am confident people won't care it happens this time round either.

It doesn't matter if they should care. The reality is they don't, and politics is nothing but ruthless pragmatism. There's more votes in telling people Angela down the road who you hate is going to lose her Motability motor than talking shite about protecting the vulnerable.

There is not going to be a great race war in the near future. I used to think when I was young that people would finally get sick of various political positions and Do Something, too. I am older now and I realise no one in this country is going to do a fucking thing about anything unless it personally affects them. It is a thread throughout the history of the English. It's not changing now. Why the fuck would I risk all I have in life to go on a stupid demo demanding people born in this country be deported due to being brown when there is no chance whatsoever that that will happen. I won't because that would be retarded. Neither will anyone else who follows the same logic. Which means the great mass uprising is not going to happen because the masses will not rise up.

I'm not disrespecting you or your thoughts here, I just think you'll be sharply disappointed if you're getting your hopes up for anything to happen.