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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Tzeentch said:
Godfrey Bloom on the Jolly Heretic is going over his experiences and thoughts over the Nigel Farage situation. Basically confirms a lot more of what we already know.

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Listening right now. He's nailing it so far.

Farage is an egotist who hates anyone smarter than him and goes to extremes to isolate and punish anyone who appears to know more than he does, about anything. He should have joined the metropolitan police rather than gone into politics; it fits his personality far better. He'd have made chief superintendant by now.
 
Earlier this morning, Rupert put out a Xeet stating, amongst other things, that Farage's acolytes attempted to rewrite a speech he made by removing a pledge to remove the relatives of those convicted of involvement in the Pakistani rape gangs.


Farage responded in the Telegraph by confirming this - he wanted language around 'mass deportations' and 'repatriations' removed as he felt it was "a very grave, dark and dangerous use of language" (direct quote).


So if you were looking for evidence of Reform's softening\containment strategy from a 'proper' source, you now have it from the man himself.
 
teriyakiburns said:
Listening right now. He's nailing it so far.

Farage is an egotist who hates anyone smarter than him and goes to extremes to isolate and punish anyone who appears to know more than he does, about anything. He should have joined the metropolitan police rather than gone into politics; it fits his personality far better. He'd have made chief superintendant by now.
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Per the Lotus Eaters boys, Farage intended Reform to be the British version of the PVV (Geert Wilders' party) but didn't account for the fact that under first past the post you need a wide array of talent to stand in various counties or shires or whatever the fuck they call them over there. So Lowe's big faux pas, apparently, was trying to move Reform away from the Nigel Show and into something structured more like a real party.
 
Smyrna said:
Earlier this morning, Rupert put out a Xeet stating, amongst other things, that Farage's acolytes attempted to rewrite a speech he made by removing a pledge to remove the relatives of those convicted of involvement in the Pakistani rape gangs.


Farage responded in the Telegraph by confirming this - he wanted language around 'mass deportations' and 'repatriations' removed as he felt it was "a very grave, dark and dangerous use of language" (direct quote).


So if you were looking for evidence of Reform's softening\containment strategy from a 'proper' source, you now have it from the man himself.
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The only optimistic/cope-fuelled way to look at this whole situation is that Farage is maintaining kayfabe, and we're so used to him backstabbing his own supporters, that we'll never see him backstabbing muzzies via action and rhetoric when/if he wins the general election. Unfortunately I held the same hope for the CDU in Germany. All we can really hope — if Reform is still the only viable avenue for change we have if another party doesn't arise and pretty much performs as well as Reform does currently in polling — is that Farage's ego and desire to be liked will overpower his desire to be seen as the only capable person on the British-right. I imagine his appearance on I'm a Celeb would infer he'd prefer the former, but he's so frequently culled and suppressed anyone else equally if not more capable and as known as he is, that it could be a toss-up. If enough people shout at him from both below and at his sides, Lowe might make it back in — Farage taking all the credit for getting him exonerated of course, and thus reminding Lowe that he should be grateful.
 
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The only optimistic/cope-fuelled way to look at this whole situation is that Farage is maintaining kayfabe, and we're so used to him backstabbing his own supporters, that we'll never see him backstabbing muzzies via action and rhetoric when/if he wins the general election. Unfortunately I held the same hope for the CDU in Germany. All we can really hope — if Reform is still the only viable avenue for change we have if another party doesn't arise and pretty much performs as well as Reform does currently in polling — is that Farage's ego and desire to be liked will overpower his desire to be seen as the only capable person on the British-right. I imagine his appearance on I'm a Celeb would infer he'd prefer the former, but he's so frequently culled and suppressed anyone else equally if not more capable and as known as he is, that it could be a toss-up. If enough people shout at him from both below and at his sides, Lowe might make it back in — Farage taking all the credit for getting him exonerated of course, and thus reminding Lowe that he should be grateful.
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On the contrary, I think there are several reasons to be optimistic right now.

-Farage has, over the course of the last few days, shown his whole arse in public. No-one serious can handwave away who he actually is, how he actually operates, and what he actually wants, which is the trappings of high office. He doesn't want to do anything radical to fix the situation, he wants to be PM. Why should this inspire optimism? Because it means that intelligent people who actually want to effect change will no longer have anything to do with him. The best activists and thinkers, if they joined Reform, will now be questioning their future. They are no longer going to get out and campaign in May. What is Farage left with? The Boomerwaffen and a few younger people who are presumably still stuck in the sunk cost fallacy, or who can't\won't admit that they were led up the garden path. A very weak foundation for campaigning.

-The desire for actual change is real and growing. I did not think that Reform would have reached the mid- to high-20s in polling within a year, but they did. I certainly didn't think they would reach 200,000 members ever. Why did they grow so fast when UKIP never got anywhere close to that? What's changed? It can't be Farage - he's the leader of both parties. It has to be something more intrinsic rather than affection for\belief in one individual.

-With those 2 points combined, there is a clear opportunity for a party to seize the crown of reform (small r) from the gutter. It could be a group led by Lowe with funding from Musk and others - if they learn the lessons of the past few months, in the same way that Trump learned from his first term, there is plenty of time (4 years plus) to build something that does offer meaningful change. Rupert describes himself as an amateur at politics, that he is still learning. If he continues to apply what he learns, change remains possible.

Spam me with rainbows if you must, but I'm not changing my mood yet.
 
6MillionCoofs said:
Honestly them turning on Farage after glazing him for years and taking no responsibility for pushing him and his Party has been funny.

Honestly Parties need to stay away from Sargon, he will kill all the ones he likes on accident. Lmao.
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Given the absolute state of British politics, it's not like they're spoiled for choice.
 
Guys, you’re all forgetting most people are retards who don’t follow the news closely.

People who like him will see him pulling a face whilst holding a pint in six months time and will still like him because they’re retards from the South.

The enlightened Southerners of this board can scream at them until they are blue in the face but you can’t argue with retards who fall for cults of personality.
 
FedPostalService said:
Guys, you’re all forgetting most people are retards who don’t follow the news closely.

People who like him will see him pulling a face whilst holding a pint in six months time and will still like him because they’re retards from the South.

The enlightened Southerners of this board can scream at them until they are blue in the face but you can’t argue with retards who fall for cults of personality.
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Shit can be washed off but sometimes it's made of a particular vicious curry and it actually sticks, shit like the partygate debacle for instance, while it was a media plant it was the sort of thing that once learned people don't forget nevermind forgive.
If Niggel doesn't handle this properly he's not getting out of the septic tank, having a muzzie poojeet for chairman spread the cheeks and now Lowe is aiming.
 
FedPostalService said:
Guys, you’re all forgetting most people are retards who don’t follow the news closely.

People who like him will see him pulling a face whilst holding a pint in six months time and will still like him because they’re retards from the South.

The enlightened Southerners of this board can scream at them until they are blue in the face but you can’t argue with retards who fall for cults of personality.
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Indeed. Currently the most likely result is that Reform's momentum stalls, but all the base that is upset over Lowe has nowhere to go and ends up doing nothing, while Reform continues their amateur hour activities because Are Nige doesn't want to be PM if it means doing hard work.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
So heres a question: if Lowe is on the outs with Reform but has his own dedicated following, is there any chance he can't join (rejoin?) the Tories and attempt to challenge Badenoch for leadership? Basically pull a Trump?
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No, because the tories will simply subsume him. Our political structure is well and truly riddled with rot. If he rejoined them, they'd simply contain him, and things would return to the status quo of everything getting worse year on year consistently.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
So heres a question: if Lowe is on the outs with Reform but has his own dedicated following, is there any chance he can't join (rejoin?) the Tories and attempt to challenge Badenoch for leadership? Basically pull a Trump?
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I think a key problem is Lowe is actually centre right. Although the party members themselves also appear(ed) to be, they voted in Liz Truss who was the most right wing of the candidates in the previous round before an exodus to reform or to be partyless, the grandees are not.

Jenrick isn't a particuarly conservative candidate, and he's considered by the Tories to be too much.

Part of Lowe's 'thing' as well is that he's supposed to be dismantling the uni party, not hijacking a corpse.
 
There's a bill being pushed through the House at the moment that would make pub landlords legally liable to naughty words said in pubs. If an employee of a pub hears some naughty words that offend them, they can sue the pub for what the patron has said.

Dubbed "the ban on bants" this could be a very, very interesting development. It isn't just restricted to pubs, but includes sports venues and anywhere you would generally find norff FC moaning about two-tier queer.
 
Bog-standard Poster said:
There's a bill being pushed through the House at the moment that would make pub landlords legally liable to naughty words said in pubs. If an employee of a pub hears some naughty words that offend them, they can sue the pub for what the patron has said.

Dubbed "the ban on bants" this could be a very, very interesting development. It isn't just restricted to pubs, but includes sports venues and anywhere you would generally find norff FC moaning about two-tier queer.
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Yes, tighten the lid on the pressure cooker, that will help matters. If you can't see a thing, it isn't happening!
 
Geoff Capes Vapes Apes said:
Yes, tighten the lid on the pressure cooker, that will help matters. If you can't see a thing, it isn't happening!
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next step is presumably setting up work camps on the shetlands and transporting wrongthinkers there. Gulag Archipelago 2: Electric Brae Igloo.
 
teriyakiburns said:
next step is presumably setting up work camps on the shetlands and transporting wrongthinkers there. Gulag Archipelago 2: Electric Brae Igloo.
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A prisoner work camp for misbehaving Brits you say?
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Your separate enclave on the Shetlands will be great and safe...for about 200 years until the brown menace infests that too.
 
Birmingham's intermittent bin strikes are going full time now.
Rubbish is piling up on the streets of Birmingham as bin workers launched an all-out indefinite strike, with the council accusing the union of holding the city hostage.

Almost 400 workers in Birmingham, who have been striking intermittently since January in an escalating row over the scrapping of some roles, began the all-out strike from 6am on Tuesday. More than 1 million people are likely to be affected.


Across the city there have been reports of overflowing bins and bags of rubbish piled high in the streets, with rat infestations increasing as a result.

Craig Cooper, the strategic director of city operations at the council, told BBC Radio WM that the authority was “looking for this to stop as quickly as possible but the trade unions don’t seem to want to negotiate”.

“I feel that they are holding us and our residents hostage,” he said. “I understand the frustration of residents and we recognise we need to create a modern, sustainable and reliable service.” He added that the service had “not acted effectively for a very long time”.

Zoe Mayou, from the union Unite, said it wanted “to meet with Birmingham city council and have productive talks”.

“They know what we want. They are the ones holding the city to ransom – certainly not us,” she said.

Police were called in on Tuesday morning to allow agency bin workers drafted in by the council to leave the depot. Cooper said 90 crews, compared with the usual 200, went out on collection rounds.

Mayou said the number of police officers brought in was “overkill”. “We’re doing a legitimate picket line and the amount of police here is just unbelievable, I just don’t understand why there are so many here,” she said.

Residents have been urged to leave rubbish out as normal, although they have been warned it may take longer for it to be collected.

Unite said the industrial action had been stepped up, and could last into the summer because of the council’s use of temporary labour to replace striking crews.

“The disgraceful use of unlawful labour to try and break the strike has just resulted in industrial action escalating. The only way this dispute will end is by halting the brutal and unnecessary attacks on our members’ pay,” said the Unite general secretary, Sharon Graham.

The action was triggered by the council’s decision to remove the role of waste recycling and collection officer, responsible for safety at the back of a refuse collection lorry, from its fleets.

The union claims this is a “safety-critical role” and will lead to affected workers losing £8,000 in their salary, as well as cutting off a “fair path for pay progression”.

The council disputes this. Cooper said the role was “not critical to health and safety” as all workers shared responsibility for this. He added that the role was not available nationally.

The council said 170 staff members were affected by the move, and about 130 of these had accepted roles in other parts of the council on the same pay grade, while others have opted to train for more advanced roles. It claimed 17 staff members could lose the maximum amount from their salary, and that this was £6,000, not £8,000.

Birmingham city council, which declared itself in effect bankrupt in 2023, is being overseen by government commissioners, with plans under way to cut hundreds of jobs and sell off assets to help balance the books.

In Bristol, the ruling Green party administration announced it would not be supporting a proposal to collect residents’ black bins only once every four weeks, rather than fortnightly.

Bristol council had launched a six-week consultation that included the option of switching to monthly bin collections to save more than £2m a year and increase recycling rates.

More 12,000 people signed a petition organised by the Labour party opposing the changes.

Any decision to change the frequency of waste collections is responsibility of the cross-party environment and sustainability committee, which is chaired by the Green party councillor Martin Fodor.

“The four-weekly option was put in the consultation as an outlier for modelling purposes and I made clear it was always unlikely to go ahead,” Fodor said.

“Based on what we’ve heard and the strength of feeling that this has generated across the city, the Greens will not be supporting any proposals put forward to move to four-weekly collections at this time.

“The full results of the consultation will be presented to a cross-party group to decide on any changes to our waste and recycling services.”

Other options, including a move from fortnightly to three-weekly collections, are still on the table.
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A large number of people in response to this will start fly tipping. When the bins resume they will not be cleaning that up, just their BAU stuff. It's going to get deeply unpleasant.

Lancashire's combined country authority have met as Labour continue with those insane schemes. I'll like to the article but honestly a picture says a thousand words.
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Remember the Rwanda scheme that everyone rent their garments over and Labour scrapped as soon as they got in? Guess what the EU just decided to do (I'm using the Guardian article rather than the Telegraph one to feign a degree of neutrality)
The European Commission has outlined proposals to increase deportations of people with no legal right to stay in the EU, but critics said it had opened the door to “prolonged detention” of people with plans for offshore detention centres.
The plans for a European returns system published on Tuesday came after EU leaders demanded “innovative solutions” to deal with undocumented migrants, in response to gains made by the far-right in last year’s European elections.

The commission said it was proposing “effective and modern procedures” that would increase returns of people denied asylum or who had overstayed their visa. Only one in five people without the right to stay are returned to their country of origin, a figure that has changed little in recent years.

The draft regulation, which would have to be agreed by EU ministers and MEPs, would create a European Return Order, to ensure that an order to leave a member state would function as an order to leave the EU.
People deemed to be a flight risk could also be detained for up to two years, compared with 18 months under existing law.
The regulation also imposes conditions on EU member states seeking to strike deals with non-EU countries to create offshore centres for deported people, otherwise known as “return hubs”. Unlike Italy’s agreement with Albania, or the previous British government’s Rwanda deal, EU return hubs would not be used to hold asylum seekers, only people denied the right to stay.
EU governments negotiating such deals would have to ensure respect for fundamental rights, including no pushbacks, according to the draft legal text. Unaccompanied minors and families with children would also be excluded from such arrangements.
The International Rescue Committee said many questions remained unanswered, including how long people would be forced to stay in the centres and how the EU would ensure their rights were safeguarded in non-EU countries.
“While it’s unclear exactly what form the EU’s proposed return hubs would take, we do know that its existing migration deals with non-EU countries have resulted in thousands of refugees and other migrants being exposed to violence, abuse, exploitation and death,” said Marta Welander, the EU advocacy director at IRC.
The plans were welcomed by the centre-right European People’s party, but the Greens and the left raised concerns.
Tineke Strik, a Dutch Green MEP on the European parliament’s civil liberties, justice and home affairs committee, said return hubs would “inevitably lead to prolonged detention and pose very real practical and legal risks when it comes to upholding fundamental rights under other countries’ judicial systems”.
She added that the use of return hubs “shifts responsibility for taking care of people needing to return from the EU to third countries” and distracted from working on efficient return procedures and cooperation with countries of origin.
European Commission officials said EU countries negotiating “return hubs” would have to respect EU law and international human rights standards precisely “to avoid the situation of having a legal limbo”, but did not confirm whether the two-year limit on detention would apply outside the bloc.
Henna Virkkunen, the commission’s executive vice-president in charge of security, said migration had been exploited by populists for political gain: “When people with no right to stay remain at the EU, the credibility of our entire migration policy is undermined.”
Magnus Brunner, the body’s commissioner for migration, rejected comparisons with Italy’s Albania deal or the abandoned UK-Rwanda agreement, because return hubs would not apply to asylum seekers.
Questions remain over which countries would agree to host return hubs, which would be negotiated by EU member states, rather than Brussels. Brunner said: “Whether we find the third countries as well, that is a question of agreements and negotiations.”
Last year, just over 1 million people sought asylum in Europe’s border-free Schengen area, an 11% decrease on the previous year, but the second straight year that asylum claims exceeded 1m since 2015-16, according to the European Union Agency for Asylum. In 2024, only 42% of asylum claims were accepted.
The EU last year passed a sweeping set of measures to manage migration, which are mostly yet to be implemented, but was unable to agree on an updated deportation law. The commission promised to fill that gap, after the far-right made big gains in the 2024 European parliament elections, which were widely perceived to be in response to migration.
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And in more Labour don't have a clue news Reeves thinks the last time a runway was built in this country was in the 1940s. Between Diane Abbot's maths skills and her history skills I'm torn who's worse

A veteran Greater Manchester MP has called for Treasury officials to be taken around the English regions by coach after he was left 'shocked' by a comment made by the Chancellor on airport runways.
Graham Stringer, the Labour MP for Blackley and Middleton South, hit out at what he called 'startling ignorance of the English regions' on the part of 'many officials in the Treasury'.


He said Ms Reeves told the BBC 'the last time we built a runway in this country was in the 1940s' while speaking about proposals for a third runway at Heathrow Airport in London.
Mr Stringer, a former chairman of Manchester Airport's board, said: "Manchester Airport would be very surprised to hear that because the new runway there has been operating for nearly 25 years.
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"I was shocked by that but not really surprised because I think many of the officials in the Treasury who advise her show a startling ignorance of the English regions and that leads to a certain prejudice in the formula they use for calculating whether a scheme should go ahead."

Mr Stringer, also a former leader of Manchester city council, also suggested the Treasury should look again at the formulas used to map out future economic growth,
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The MP added: "Can the Treasury minister (Darren Jones) and the rest of the Treasury team provide coaches to send Treasury officials 'round the English regions to talk to people who know about growth, and secondly, will he look at the formulas that are biased against the regions that decide where economic growth happens?”
Mr Jones replied: "I can confirm that Treasury officials routinely engage with local and regional officials across the country, including frequently in Manchester with mayor (Andy) Burnham and his team.
"I would point him gently to some of the announcements made by the Chancellor including support for the Old Trafford development in Manchester, and of course, congratulate the operators of Manchester Airport for running a successful business which we will continue to support in the normal way."

Manchester Airport's second runway opened in February 2001 and was the first major airport runway to open in the UK for more than 20 years.
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