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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Home secretary Yvette Cooper has announced five local inquiries into the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs will be backed with £10m government money and led by Baroness Louise Casey. Casey is a crossbench peer who appears at a glance to have significant relevant experience. No national enquiry, it's not clear where these will be, nothing for the 45 other locations where Muslim rape gangs have been confirmed, and presumably there will be attempts to whitewash, dilute and impede. (Archive)

This is the work of Maggie Oliver. Yesterday her lawyers wrote to Cooper with the promise of legal action and today Cooper made a concession, which is ludicrously small, but is hopefully the start of a slippery slope for the iconic duo of Labour and Mohammedan nonces.
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Her letter is here, I can't make a local archive currently: https://fliphtml5.com/ytzic/ixjl/

ETA I'm reading the inquiries will have no power to compel testimony. So it might as well just be a photo of Arooj Shah* smirking.

*The leader of Oldham council, known for her connections to pedos and gangsters.
 
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District Judge, good ol' English boy, Tanveer Ikram said the guidelines suggested a sentence starting point of a "high level community order or a range up to a prison sentence".
Tanveer Ikram is notorious. There's been a lot of questions about his impartiality.
And he just happened to be the judge randomly selected to hear a case involving a Labour MP... fancy that. What are the odds?
 
Cooper announces inquiries into grooming gangs

Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced plans for a nationwide review of grooming gang evidence and five government-backed local inquiries.

She stopped short of launching a statutory national inquiry, as called for by the Conservatives and some Labour MPs, but this marks a clear shift in the government's position.

Cooper said top lawyer Tom Crowther, who led an inquiry in Telford, would help Oldham and four other pilot areas yet to be named, develop their own reviews.

She also announced a "rapid" three month national audit headed by veteran government troubleshooter Baroness Louise Casey to examine the demographics of the gangs and their victims, as well as "cultural drivers" behind the offending.

Conservative shadow home secretary Chris Philp said the plan was "wholly inadequate" and repeated his call for a full national inquiry.

He expressed concern that the local inquiries would not have the powers to compel witnesses to attend and give evidence under oath.

Looks as though we are getting a review but not a full on inquiry. From what I can gather, this is completely toothless and only pays lip service to the events of the last couple of weeks. Not sure why the article intro says 'local enquiries' when they're actually described as 'reviews' later on.
 
Home secretary Yvette Cooper has announced five local inquiries into the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs will be backed with £10m government money and led by Baroness Louise Casey. Casey is a crossbench peer who appears at a glance to have significant relevant experience. No national enquiry, it's not clear where these will be, nothing for the 45 other locations where Muslim rape gangs have been confirmed, and presumably there will be attempts to whitewash, dilute and impede. (Archive)

This is the work of Maggie Oliver. Yesterday her lawyers wrote to Cooper with the promise of legal action and today Cooper made a concession, which is ludicrously small, but is hopefully the start of a slippery slope for the iconic duo of Labour and Mohammedan nonces.
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Her letter is here, I can't make a local archive currently: https://fliphtml5.com/ytzic/ixjl/

ETA I'm reading the inquiries will have no power to compel testimony. So it might as well just be a photo of Arooj Shah* smirking.

*The leader of Oldham council, known for her connections to pedos and gangsters.
It's a rather blatant cover-up attempt. A real inquiry would look into not only the Paki-rape gangs but their collaborators in the local government and social services but also the politicians who ordered the initial cover-up - one of whom is Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown's principle minion was Ed Balls, who is married to.... Yvette Cooper. Funny, init. A real inquiry would implicate and upset a lot of her friends and voters.

The mass child gang rape cover-up is the worst crime the British state has committed against itself since the Irish potato famine and it seems to be of a similar magnitude. It threatens to blow up most of the institutions, including Parliament, just as the child-rape scandals have destroyed the Catholic Church.

No doubt, Keir Starmer, patron saint of noncery, will clear all of this up.
 
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Louise Casey already did this very review in Rotherham in 2015. I have posted the link to it many times. Get yourself a free preview of the new review by reading what she said the first time about how these investigations weren't 'suppressed', they actually never fucking started, and why that happened. This is exactly the kind of 'looking like we are doing something' bullshit that will send the keyboard warriors away full of fatuous satisfaction that 'we shone a light on this hur durr' whilst Louise Casey will absolutely repeat her findings of 2015 which have still not been implemented and absolutely sweet fuck all is done for the next two to three years about either her 2015 recommendations, Jay's 2014 recommendations, or Jay's 2022 recommendations to actually protect children from CSE. This makes me want to scream into a fucking pillow. We need high intensity policing on this issue. We need dragnets and trawls of historical files and an incredibly low threshold of suspicion to charge individuals. We need police to be empowered to raid low budget hotels and hostels and similar known hotbeds of CSE activities without a warrant. We need four to five times the number of residential placements for kids to be removed from home. We need the threshold for kids to be securely accommodated - to be literally locked up for their own protection - to be drastically lowered. We need tens and tens of millions of pounds to pay for this accommodation. We do not need Louise Casey to repeat her fully justified extensive criticisms again and more loudly so this 'problem' for HMG goes away and keyboard warriors get to feel they 'pwned libz' for two days and then are distracted by something else. Children continue to be harmed in industrial numbers. Rome continues to burn and people call for more fiddling. I am in despair.
 
We need four to five times the number of residential placements for kids to be removed from home.
The social worker I know who was beaten by one of these rape gangs worked in such a home - one the high intervention types with amazing staff to kid ratios.
The gang would wait outside the building and take the girls. The police did nothing. Even in these homes they aren’t safe.
What we need to do is exterminate the bastards raping kids.
 
Louise Casey already did this very review in Rotherham in 2015. I have posted the link to it many times. Get yourself a free preview of the new review by reading what she said the first time about how these investigations weren't 'suppressed', they actually never fucking started, and why that happened. This is exactly the kind of 'looking like we are doing something' bullshit that will send the keyboard warriors away full of fatuous satisfaction that 'we shone a light on this hur durr' whilst Louise Casey will absolutely repeat her findings of 2015 which have still not been implemented and absolutely sweet fuck all is done for the next two to three years about either her 2015 recommendations, Jay's 2014 recommendations, or Jay's 2022 recommendations to actually protect children from CSE. This makes me want to scream into a fucking pillow. We need high intensity policing on this issue. We need dragnets and trawls of historical files and an incredibly low threshold of suspicion to charge individuals. We need police to be empowered to raid low budget hotels and hostels and similar known hotbeds of CSE activities without a warrant. We need four to five times the number of residential placements for kids to be removed from home. We need the threshold for kids to be securely accommodated - to be literally locked up for their own protection - to be drastically lowered. We need tens and tens of millions of pounds to pay for this accommodation. We do not need Louise Casey to repeat her fully justified extensive criticisms again and more loudly so this 'problem' for HMG goes away and keyboard warriors get to feel they 'pwned libz' for two days and then are distracted by something else. Children continue to be harmed in industrial numbers. Rome continues to burn and people call for more fiddling. I am in despair.
They all need to hang. We need to bring back hanging and then hang all those responsible.
 
The social worker I know who was beaten by one of these rape gangs worked in such a home - one the high intervention types with amazing staff to kid ratios.
The gang would wait outside the building and take the girls. The police did nothing. Even in these homes they aren’t safe.
What we need to do is exterminate the bastards raping kids.
High intervention means nothing for kids at risk of CSE, because the staff don't have the legal authority to lock them in. They are at the same if not higher risk removed to 'normal' accommodation than they are left in the community. You need secure authorisation to lock them in and to be able to prevent them leaving the building. This is why the threshold for ordering secure accommodation needs to be on the floor. It's easier to get a kid sectioned than to get them into secure. There are tens of thousands of kids who need to be locked in at night, this very night tonight, for their own bloody safety. You arrest one of a lassie's pimps, and whoever takes over his business takes her over too. For her immediate safety, you lock her up whilst you hunt these vermin from the streets. It will not be done quickly, and kids must be immediately protected whilst it is done. It better be done bloody thoroughly. Crimes relating to pimping have never been decriminalised in the UK; go and fucking arrest them.

Oh, and introduce a statutory duty for the products of conception in any termination given to anyone under 16 to be retained, DNA sampled and provided to police. Whoever gets a kid pregnant in this country is a fucking rapist and they should know that they will be found and prosecuted. I do not want to hear one more piece of shit about 'risky lifestyles' and 'bad choices'. Children do not have agency. Children are victimised. No more excuses for rapists of any description.
 
It's strange to see how all the institution have rotted from the inside and how retarded Trots have rotted those institutions by making bizarre and unworkable rules at every level. The scale of the failure inevitably means that relying on scelerotic institution to investigate themselves won't work.

Strangest of all to see is how Parliament has become a shadow without substance. You have a government with 2/3 seats in Parliament and no legitimacy.
 
This would bring a tear to a glass eye.

....no, it's fucking hilarious, please enjoy. Fucking parasites whose entire grifting career was based on demonising people who ended up out of work mostly through no fault of their own, many of them through the shambolic economic governance practised by this lot, coupled with their absolute embrace of predatory wrecker capitalism. Eat every bit of the shit sandwich you were happy to serve to people who didn't have knighthoods and Oxbridge educations.


‘I’ve earned £575 in six months’: The ex-Tory MPs who can’t get a job

The sudden shift into unemployment after an election defeat is brutal – and so is finding work when you were a Conservative parliamentarian

Abigail Buchanan.

Dominic Penna
Political Correspondent

16 January 2025 1:58pm GMT

Sir Charles Walker, Jonathan Gullis and Dame Jackie Doyle-Price are still seeking work six months on from Labour’s victory
It is a tough market for jobseekers, but spare a thought for ex-Tory MPs in particular. Six months on from Labour’s thumping victory in the general election, many of those who lost their seats are still looking for work.

“I’m beginning to talk to more and more colleagues who are in career distress, who are simply just not getting interviews,” says Sir Charles Walker, the former MP for Broxbourne, Hertfordshire. Sir Charles, who spent nearly two decades in Parliament, is among those struggling to find work and says he has made just £575 in the past six months. “Five-hundred pounds on election night for a slot on ITV that was cancelled, but they very sweetly paid me, and £75 for appearing on [Radio 4’s] Broadcasting House,” he says.

“I am very lucky, I’m in my later years, I have some financial resources I can fall back on – I took my House of Commons pension early. But it’s not going to last forever,” Sir Charles continues. “It is like an out-of-body experience to go from a 12-year Select Committee chair, four years on the Board of the House of Commons Commission, overseeing budgets of hundreds of millions and staff of thousands, to not having a lot to do every day.”

The shift from Parliament to unemployment is both swift and brutal. It is not only the salary of £91,000 (ministers are paid up to £67,000 more) disappearing almost overnight – save for the “loss of office” and “winding up” payments given to outgoing MPs, amounting to about four months’ salary – but the loss of colleagues, a career, and a sense of identity.

Sir Charles Walker, the former MP for Broxbourne, has earned less than £600 since the general election Credit: John Lawrence
Vacating the Commons can be genuinely traumatic, according to the Association of Former Members of Parliament, which said in written evidence to Parliament in 2022 that members struggle to adjust to life away from Westminster and, for some, “the psychological effect and trauma of losing their seat”.

“I’m talking to colleagues in their 30s who are becoming terribly depressed,” says Sir Charles. “And these are really, really good people who could make a difference in most organisations and would work hard to prove themselves, they just need a chance. And they’ve held really senior positions – I know former ministers are struggling to find work.”

A 2006 study on the experiences of former MPs recognised that, while the public might have limited sympathy, the loss of a parliamentarian’s vocation led to a period of grieving with the same feelings of shock, anger and shame as might accompany a bereavement.

On the eve of last year’s election, many of the class of 2024 would have known their time was up. But for others – one former prime minister among them, perhaps – defeat would have come as a nasty surprise. So, they packed their offices into cardboard boxes, dusted off long-neglected CVs, and set about finding gainful employment. But in today’s job market – troubled by cuts and falling numbers of vacancies – they are discovering that, more than ever, their parliamentary experience does not translate.

A career transition scheme was planned to offer last year’s “non-returned members” career coaching and assistance with polishing their CV. A trawl of LinkedIn shows how many ex-Tory MPs are jobseeking. Theresa Villiers, the former MP for Chipping Barnet, has a profile that says she is “exploring a new career in the academic and business worlds… seeking new opportunities – university roles, non-executive directorships and advisory/consultancy”. Flick Drummond, the former MP for Meon Valley and Portsmouth South, simply lists her job title as “unemployed”.

Theresa Villiers, the former MP for Chipping Barnet, says she is ‘seeking new opportunities’ on her LinkedIn profile Credit: Paul Grover
Chris Clarkson, who was MP for Heywood & Middleton, says he is available “immediately, I am actively applying”. And Dame Jackie Doyle-Price, an MP for 14 years, recently shared a Telegraph article on a civil service jobs row, writing: “Age discrimination is alive and kicking in the job market. It is something that everyone experiences and yet it is the protected characteristic that is talked about the least… Sending all good wishes to everyone over 50 looking for work.”

“I think what’s missing and what’s adding to the difficulty to a lot of MPs looking for work is we’ve allowed MPs to be so diminished in terms of their reputation that that honourable side of our work is going ignored, and the fact we bring a diverse set of skills,” Dame Jackie says.

“It does always amuse me when you hear MPs ‘don’t live in the real world’. Well actually we do, and we all take that risk and we do it because it’s a calling.”

Calling or not, some are finding that, in today’s corporate world, the party politics of a former Tory MP are more of a hindrance than a help. The first question Peter Gibson, the former MP for Darlington, was asked in a recent informal interview for a non-executive role, was “What would it be like to have a Conservative on the board?”

“There is a unique aspect to applying to a job when you’ve been a public figure,” Gibson says. “Every word you have uttered is there on the record, and people know your political views. In a [normal] job interview, it would be unusual to be asked how you vote and what political party you support.” No wonder some head straight back to the haven of CCHQ – former housing and planning minister Rachel Maclean is now Kemi Badenoch’s director of strategy.

Sir Charles explains that the prejudices some employers have about erstwhile parliamentarians “are making life very difficult for some colleagues, some of whom were backbenchers, well-known in their communities, and others who had a high profile”.

He continues, “I thought I had a couple of board jobs to go to, but they did not materialise post the general election result. Fortunately my 19 years as an MP has taught me how to deal with disappointment.”

Eventually, this will deter prospective MPs from standing in the first place, Sir Charles says. “You’re always going to have enough good people wanting to stand, but if you have a successful career it is just a huge risk to step out of it to enter Parliament. Unless we address this cliff edge, we’re going to find it really hard. The current system is almost deliberately designed to work against getting better MPs.”

Peter Gibson, former MP for Darlington
‘Our political views are public record, and employers can be prejudiced against ex-parliamentarians’, says Peter Gibson, former MP for Darlington Credit: Charlotte Graham
Finding a job in the usual industries open to ex-MPs is one thing – some will eventually join the ranks of former politicians in communications, public affairs, consultancy or, in the case of Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg, documentary-slash-reality television. But breaking back into the public sector is harder still. Former Stoke-on-Trent North MP Jonathan Gullis was a teacher before he became an MP. He has said he cannot get a job now he’s lost his seat, which has a knock-on effect on his wife and two children, aged four and two.

“I’ve applied for a few jobs and sadly not even had an interview yet,” he said in a radio interview in September. “So actually, I think the days when being an ex-MP was something that was wanted or desired are no longer, as I think we’re now seen as a problem. And so that’s a challenge.” Asked if he thought that was due to his politics, he said: “When I left the profession to enter parliament, I felt being a Conservative was something that was treated with disdain.” Post-parliament, he added, he could not work in education because there are “too many activists in the classroom”. As of January, he is still looking for a full-time role.

“It’s a competitive market where I will be up against many of my former colleagues and former special advisers, some of whom will have expertise in certain fields and some of whom have come from the corporate world,” he says.

“However, no ex-MP should ever expect sympathy and nor should any ex-MP ask for it. You’ve had a privileged position and an amazing opportunity. The key for ex-MPs is to explain their skill set and what it has to offer for a company. At the same time, business itself needs to be open-minded as to what MPs can offer and be willing to hear people out.”

For Gullis there is a silver lining, he says. At least he’s home to help with homework and read stories at bedtime.
 
....no, it's fucking hilarious, please enjoy. Fucking parasites whose entire grifting career was based on demonising people who ended up out of work mostly through no fault of their own, many of them through the shambolic economic governance practised by this lot, coupled with their absolute embrace of predatory wrecker capitalism. Eat every bit of the shit sandwich you were happy to serve to people who didn't have knighthoods and Oxbridge educations.
One of the kicked-outs near Dwellershire was recently spotted doing a Hermes Evri delivery that was a funny moment, I was glad to learn there is in fact an informal blacklist.
At least last decade you had a few actual people who had actual jobs at some point knocking around even if they were usually Bliarites they were still potentially not actual reptilians unlike now, I can't think of a single MP or public political figure I don't view with utter contempt.
Inshallah we'll have an Ani-Kutani moment.
 
Cooper announces inquiries into grooming gangs



Looks as though we are getting a review but not a full on inquiry. From what I can gather, this is completely toothless and only pays lip service to the events of the last couple of weeks. Not sure why the article intro says 'local enquiries' when they're actually described as 'reviews' later on.
"we have reviewed ourselves and we have found that we have done no wrong doing"

We don't need a review, an inquiry, etc. We need to dust off the black cap and the gallows.
 
An mp with no post government career is vulnerable to influence. I wouldn't gloat about the trend that could set.
It’s just a different sort of influence. A post election board position or positions, etc are also influence
I wonder if it ever occurs to them that if THEY can’t easily find a job, how Liam and Charlene from the council estate are supposed to
Imagine a world where ordinary people go for a three year stint as an MP and their old job has to hold for them, like jury service
 
@SirCliveSinclairdabbing we could probably do with your chef brain in the thread about the dad who “accidentally“ stabbed his 14 year old daughter when they were engaged in the traditional British pastime of drinking a ton of wine and throwing kitchen implements at each other.


It looks like the picture in the tread that it was a pretty poor quality filleting (maybe) knife? Be interested to see if you think the story is kosher and I’m being cynical?

The biggest crime though is they said they were using that knife to cut garlic bread.
 
the staff don't have the legal authority to lock them in.
I remember her telling me this. Just complete insanity and a broken system. And the cost of it, it would have been cheaper to send the kids involved to the finest public schools in the land as boarders. All that money, and they can just walk out and get picked up by the rape wagon.
The system is broken, it is fixable and nobody seems to care, so I can only conclude that’s the purpose of the system, to supply an endless supply of fresh meat while putting up the appearance of ‘doing something.’
There are systems and things in the country that need burning to the floor, scraping out like a gourd, and building back up with honest people.
@FedPostalService its to get the blunt ended knives stuff in place
 
Imagine a world where ordinary people go for a three year stint as an MP and their old job has to hold for them, like jury service
A lot of Tories used to come from the City and I can see the likes of PWC keeping a place held with a temp for for years for a high up position.

Also, do these people have no skills? They might be fucked as they’ll be classed as Politically Exposed Persons so it could be a barrier to some roles at banks/financial services but even then that might just be a day or two extra from the people running the background checks?

Just hit a bunch of temp agencies and you’ll be sitting at a desk in no time.
 
An mp with no post government career is vulnerable to influence. I wouldn't gloat about the trend that could set.
As Sir Charles Walker says in the article
I thought I had a couple of board jobs to go to, but they did not materialise post the general election result.
More then a few MPs had cushy sinecures lined up and saw them evaporate after the election. It's a fairly open secret that a lot of these roles and the speech circuit gigs are delayed bribery payments - giving a minister a cool half a million is going to set off alarm bells, but telling them they'll have an "advisory" role lined up for them after their time in government is all above board. Those haven't gone away, not because there's honour among thieves, but because if private interests row back on their promises it'll hamper their ability to bribe in future.

The ones that fell through are the ones a lot of old MPs get for a completely different reason. Influence. Charles has been an MP since 2005 and was vice chair of the 1922 committee; he had a lot of connections. Ones that private interests would very much like to exploit, so they set him up for a board job so they could get him to put a word in the ear of current MPs. The problem is that so many MPs lost their seats at this election that those connections now aren't very useful - it's not much good having Charles ready to go with his little black book to contact potential-future-leader Penny Mordaunt if Penny is now a private citizen. Paying a former MP is not very useful if you don't get anything out of it.

Additionally, the market's simply flooded with former MPs at the moment, including quite a few former ministers, since cabinet was a game of musical chairs for a while. Even being a former secretary of state isn't that impressive when there's 21 other former secretaries of state who are all looking for a job at the same time. And if parliamentary experience is no longer that impressive or relevant, why would you hire someone who's not worked in industry for 10+ years, if ever? Theresa Villiers is mentioned in that article - she's not worked in law since the 90s. Jonathan Gullis is banging on about not wanting to be a teacher - but that's all he did before joining with the 2019 intake, then was mostly just an embarrassing loudmouth; why would you trust him with a board position?
Just hit a bunch of temp agencies and you’ll be sitting at a desk in no time.
The issue isn't that they can't find employment. It's that they can't find a doss role with a nice office, six figure salary and a load of gravitas. They're used to being important.
 
An mp with no post government career is vulnerable to influence. I wouldn't gloat about the trend that could set.
On the contrary I argue it's a good thing actually, if you stand for shit implement shit and be shit then when you get thrown out for being shit all you should get is shit. Have to set the precedent to encourage future better behaviour.
the issue isn't that they can't find employment. It's that they can't find a doss role with a nice office, six figure salary and a load of gravitas. They're used to being important.
This is the usual strand yes but the sheer vitriol from the division of the past few parliaments has a unique scenario. My anecdotal right honourable delivery boy is sort of an exception; he doesn't mind having a shit job because he's old and bored and not everybody hates him since he was around a good while and wasn't a totally ethically bankrupt suit.
This is in contrast to the other borough where the former incumbent has had to sell his house and move back in with his mum because absolutely nobody will have him, not even as a temp teacher, this might be the fate for a lot of the 2019'ers/Boriswave people for their sins.
 
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