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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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You really do sound like a jilted lover.
There’s a subclass of fat women who get paid more than most of the country, think they’re the only people who pay taxes, who we pay the wages for, and are constantly asking for handouts despite getting paid more than most of the population. How does that not make people actually not only MATI but mad at clown world?

I know the NHS is the state religion here in the UK but I expected smarter autists who could see through the bullshit on hecking Kiwi Farms.

Any way, keep paying your union dues, lads. Enjoy funding people who hate you and want you replaced. Good bless the NHS and all who work in it.
 
the army is filled with a massive gamut of passively, unknowingly and puffchested racist people. the army is going to have a hell of a hard time recruiting anyone considering the beeb ran that story about that black woman who was hatecrimed in the army and was put up on recruitment posters. its going to take a fucking miracle or someone insanely stupid that doesn't know the first thing about the british armed forces and their history to go 'yeah, that'll be a place where i won't experience any prejudice doing my job'.

we're not even capable of responding to a threat. if we're sending out commonwealth applications a-la windrush for bodies, then recruitment rates must be more dire than ever. no wonder i've seen so many ads for roles available recently.

what we need massively is an overhaul. less of this 'be the best' bullshit, we're not the best, not anymore. we need propaganda that compells citizens of this country to work in the army to better it, fundamentally. a-la 'we can do better. be part of that better. help us defend. help us protect what is dear to us.'

they'll get a lot further with that sort of campaign when people are dissolusioned with the state of politics and the nation as a whole, methinks.
Look at the barracks, sorry I meant migrant camps being setup in Ireland. They don't need natives because natives won't shoot their own people.
 
There’s a subclass of fat women who get paid more than most of the country, think they’re the only people who pay taxes, who we pay the wages for, and are constantly asking for handouts despite getting paid more than most of the population. How does that not make people actually not only MATI but mad at clown world?

I know the NHS is the state religion here in the UK but I expected smarter autists who could see through the bullshit on hecking Kiwi Farms.

Any way, keep paying your union dues, lads. Enjoy funding people who hate you and want you replaced. Good bless the NHS and all who work in it.
It's more than I think your anger is overblown and partially misdirected, rather than completely disgareeing with your point. I think @teriyakiburns is on the money above.
 
Magistrates are being told to hold off putting people in prison if they're out on bail. There isn't enough room for them...

Magistrates told to stop jailing offenders to ease prisons crisis​

A senior judge has said that people on bail who are likely to receive a custodial sentence should have their hearings postponed until at least September 10

Jonathan Ames
, Legal Editor
Thursday August 22 2024, 10.33pm, The Times


Magistrates have been told to stop jailing convicted criminals for several weeks in the latest effort to ease pressure on Britain’s overcrowded prisons.

One of the country’s senior judges has issued a “listing direction” to the managers of magistrates’ courts in England and Wales saying that offenders who are on bail and likely to be jailed should have their sentencing hearings postponed until at least September 10.

The order could affect some who have pleaded guilty to offences during the recent spate of rioting as well as others facing sentences for crimes including assaults.

Magistrates have voiced scepticism over the order, describing it as little more than a “sticking plaster” for a criminal justice system that is said to be in crisis.
The September date marks the start of a government move to free about 2,000 prison places as part of an early release scheme.

The order to magistrates from Lord Justice Green, who sits on the Court of Appeal and is also the deputy senior presiding judge, is likely to affect hundreds if not thousands of offenders.
Lord Justice Green told magistrates it was “appropriate that the judiciary have regard to the wider functioning of the criminal justice system”



Official figures showed that magistrates’ courts handled more than 1.33 million cases last year, with criminal offences ranging from minor assaults to theft and handling stolen goods.
Magistrates can hand down maximum jail sentences of six months for a single offence and up to 12 months for multiple offences.

In his direction to magistrate court managers, Green said that the order was set against the backdrop of the “current capacity challenges in the prisons”.
The bottleneck in the court system — exacerbated by the arrest of more than 1,000 people after far-right violence that began last month — has slowed sentencing and resulted in a situation where less serious offences are being overlooked because of capacity constraints.
Government figures this week showed that fewer than 1,300 places were available in prisons in England and Wales. The crisis affecting the country’s creaking prison network has been encapsulated by scandal-hit HMP Wandsworth in southwest London, which is thought to be close to its maximum capacity of 1,665 inmates.

But from September 10, the government will implement its emergency early release scheme, which is forecast to free 2,000 places immediately and another 1,700 by October 22.
Q&A: Why emergency measures have been triggered for prison overcrowding
According to ministers, in the longer term, the scheme will free up to 5,500 prison places.
The core of the scheme involves moving the standard release date of most prisoners from 50 per cent of their sentence served to 40 per cent. The scheme will not include prisoners serving sentences for violent offences of four years or more, as well as sex and domestic violence offences.
Green has now told magistrates that as the courts “are responsible for the proper administration of justice … [it] is therefore appropriate that the judiciary have regard to the wider functioning of the criminal justice system”.

As a result, he said that “where it is assessed that a custodial sentence is a possible outcome, consideration should be given to rescheduling the hearing for the shortest possible period of time, but not earlier than 10th September 2024”.

Green emphasised that “every case must be considered individually, and decisions must be made upon the basis of the interests of justice” and that the process “needs to be a carefully conducted exercise”.
The senior judiciary did not comment further on Green’s order.

Swift justice is essential for victims and the public

But Tom Franklin, the chief executive of the Magistrates’ Association, said that “every delay in magistrates’ work adversely affects the timely delivery of justice and impacts victims, witnesses and defendants”.

He said Green’s move “seems to be the latest sticking plaster to try to get through until the big release of prisoners on 10 September but just highlights the crisis that the justice system is in”.
The association has called for increased investment in “the whole criminal justice system” as well as what Franklin described as “a long-term joined-up plan, where all parts of the justice system — including police, courts, probation and prisons — are considered together. We also need a grown-up discussion about the purpose of prison, and indeed other types of sentences such as community sentences.”

Robert Buckland called on the government to continue the prison building programme that he initiated as Conservative justice secretary

Robert Buckland called on the government to continue the prison building programme that he initiated as Conservative justice secretary
DARREN FLETCHER
Robert Buckland, the former Conservative justice secretary, said that it was “very concerning that magistrates will have their hands tied even temporarily in sentencing and what they think should be done in the interests of justice”.

He called on Labour ministers to “pursue the prison-building programme that I initiated as justice secretary”.
A source close to the magistrates’ courts, who did not wish to be identified, told The Times that while the crisis was not the current government’s making, “allowing interference in the judicial process isn’t a particularly good thing”.
A Ministry of Justice spokesman said that the “new government inherited a prisons crisis, and this is yet another sign of the pressures our justice system is facing. The changes coming into force in September will bring it under control.

“Independent judges decide when to schedule court hearings and do so in the interests of justice, including to ensure the effective operation of the criminal justice system.”
Green’s order to magistrates came ten months after the senior presiding judge issued a similar temporary order to the crown courts.

Last October The Times revealed that Lord Justice Edis told judges in the crown courts, which try the most serious crimes in England and Wales, to delay sentencing convicted offenders who were on bail at the time.

The senior judiciary never officially acknowledged that the order had been made — although The Times was given a leaked copy — and it is understood that it was lifted after several weeks.
 
It's more than I think your anger is overblown and partially misdirected, rather than completely disgareeing with your point. I think @teriyakiburns is on the money above.
He/she is either a nurse or nurse adjacent. They were screeching about nurses paying taxes out them into poverty and they had to steal social housing off the proles.

I’ve been disregarding their opinions after that.
 
They were screeching about nurses paying taxes out them into poverty and they had to steal social housing off the proles.

And they rent through the social because everything else is still too expensive for them, thanks to a combination of endless migration and property hoarding by gigantic holding companies (the apparent solution to which is to import even more migrants, screw over small property owners, and build even more properties for the gigantic holding companies to hold).

Mention of taxes: 0. Mention of all the actual problems: many.

It's all good and well saying things like a barmaid on half the wage can survive and get a home, but that's ignoring the fact that barmaid is probably either in a shitty bedsit or an HMO, or is sharing a flat with friends in order to afford the rent and utilities, because she simply cannot afford anything else. People are going into unsustainable debt to rent now, let alone buy.

Social housing is the largest, fastest growing housing sector in the country right now, partly to cater to the requirements to house so many migrants, but mostly because the little other housing still available is out of reach of the vast majority of people. Rents and prices are through the roof, because of demand thanks to a constantly growing population, but also because of huge property companies taking the piss. They buy up property, assign it as social housing for a guaranteed income and then use it as collateral to buy up more. The fact that every new housing development over a certain size has to have a certain number of social housing units means that either housing isn't being built, or the housing that is available is severely restricted.

tell me you don't understand the employment market (or any) without telling me...
I understand perfectly. Wages in this country have always been shit, but they've stagnated spectacularly for the last thirty years, thanks to a combination of government economic policies, incoming migration flooding the labour pool with cheap workers, and national unions refusing to stand against either of these things and fight for better wages (because they benefit from the conflict). Everyone is poorly paid in this country. Now a few unions get a decent wage for their members (or get huge raises for senior staff, but that's a whole different kettle) and everyone else is left hanging, but rather than realise that the problem is historic, corporate- and state-enforced wage slavery on a vast scale, people go apeshit at the ones who managed to actually get paid properly.
 
Now a few unions get a decent wage for their members (or get huge raises for senior staff, but that's a whole different kettle) and everyone else is left hanging, but rather than realise that the problem is historic, corporate- and state-enforced wage slavery on a vast scale, people go apeshit at the ones who managed to actually get paid properly.
I do think a lot of politics is motivated by jealousy. Is there one person that doesn't feel underpiad for what they do ? Christ, even Premier League footballers do ( in the sense that they look at another player they think isn't as good as them and is paid more and are unhappy about it ).
The trouble with your assertion regarding the unions and them getting a decent wage for thier members is it is inflationary - not only through cost push, but also just through comparison market forces. Once the market ( i.e. other peoples' perceptions ) are adjusted, everybody demands higher pay to bring them into line with the newly created normal ( for example, "if a dustman is now paid £500 a week, then I have to be worth £1,000" ). It probably comes down to how much you think the markets should and can be manipulated ( be it by the State or Unions ) to achieve a "desirable" outcome.
One of the problems with the "caring" professions is that they have always historically been perceived as underpaid. One of the reasons for that is that a certain demographic are naturally drawn to those kinds of jobs regardless of pay levels. Psychologists have often argued that feminine traits are more attracted to the caring professions ( such as nursing and teaching ) and as these are almost vocational in their calling, it is understandable why the pay is lower. To put it simply if you don't feel that level of calling to you career ( i.e. it's not what you feel compelled to do ) if your feeling is you are underpaid, you will simply look for another better paying career. But if you stay in the career, employers don't feel the pressure to increase wages as they know a level of inertia exists in their workforce.
The other huge elephant in the room regarding a perceived poor wage level in this country is productivity. Productivity is positively correlated to wages in the global economy. One explanation for our nation's workers' pay lagging is that our productivity has fallen massively behind other countries.
 
During lockdown they used the excuse of lockdown to avoid Bonfire Night. After lockdown they blamed the environment, saying burning things is bad. This year I believe the councils will use the excuse of "We have no money to do a bonfire night, even though last month we increased council tax and VAT lololololololol"

Some pubs may do small fires, but any injuries causes the pub to be sued. Pubs are on their arse financially so most won't risk it.

We've had our bonfire (night) well and truly pissed on.

Interesting that they're going the mask-off route of "we are scared shitless of people buying fireworks to use for nefarious means", and not just blaming no monies.

Edinburgh first council to ban firework sales

There were other posters correctly pointing out that fireworks are an easy, legal and cheap form of explosives that can be bought en masse without any background checks or accountability. Ahmed in the local paki shop will gladly sell kids, and anyone else, fireworks. If you're over 18 (or is it 25 now?) you can buy bang-sticks in any supermarket.

To roll this out country-wide without backlash, they could use the excuse of animal welfare because every year some lousy no-life cunt with an animal complains that the noises scaring their furbaby. "What? do you hate dogs so much that you MUST use fireworks?"
 
Apparently Katsu Curry is becoming a big thing here?
I don't really eat junk food so I never noticed but I suppose I've been doing my part over the years with bricks and supermarket kits before that.
I was a bit taken aback a year or two ago seeing Bisto selling Katsu Curry sauce but thought nothing of it at the time.
Not that surprising though. It's a combo of fried food and curry. Kind-of a no brainer.
 
Apparently Katsu Curry is becoming a big thing here?
I don't really eat junk food so I never noticed but I suppose I've been doing my part over the years with bricks and supermarket kits before that.
I was a bit taken aback a year or two ago seeing Bisto selling Katsu Curry sauce but thought nothing of it at the time.
Not that surprising though. It's a combo of fried food and curry. Kind-of a no brainer.
I’m seeing it more on pub menus, it does pair well with a lager
 
To roll this out country-wide without backlash, they could use the excuse of animal welfare because every year some lousy no-life cunt with an animal complains that the noises scaring their furbaby. "What? do you hate dogs so much that you MUST use fireworks?"
It's either "think of the poor animals" or "think of the poor veterans" card. Funnily enough not a single one of the vets I know, including ones who have serious PTSD issues, actually back this shit.
 
This is for an art gallery. Not that it matters I suppose because the art gallery verbiage is teeny tiny and the ‘we hate you white men’ is very large.
It's either "think of the poor animals" or "think of the poor veterans" card. Funnily enough not a single one of the vets I know, including ones who have serious PTSD issues, actually back this shit.
We have an entire menagerie and have always had various cats and dogs. None have ever given a shit about fireworks. Just keep them indoors and bung some feliway on to keep them calm. I dont know anyone whose dogs get really upset by fireworks either. They tend to look interested at the first few and then bored then asleep.
It’s now a criminal offence here to have a firework go off without a licence (sigh, the loicence meme is real.)

The sheer irony of bonfire night. I have often been asked by non Brits if we are celebrating guy fawkes almost doing it or being thwarted, and to be honest, I don’t think your average bong knows, and if they had to think about it and give an answer it might not be the politically correct one.
 
We have an entire menagerie and have always had various cats and dogs. None have ever given a shit about fireworks. Just keep them indoors and bung some feliway on to keep them calm. I dont know anyone whose dogs get really upset by fireworks either. They tend to look interested at the first few and then bored then asleep.
Just because you haven't doesn't mean others haven't had problems with it. Get your face out of your arse cheeks for once.
 
Just because you haven't doesn't mean others haven't had problems with it. Get your face out of your arse cheeks for once.
Yeah I know some dogs get nervous, but it’s not universal. My point is they aren’t banning it because poor Fido might be upset, they’re banning them because the plebs can’t possibly have access to Guy fawkes’s favourite substance.
We used to set fireworks off when I was younger (fairly safely too, various dads would set it all up) and now that would be a criminal offence. The creeping loss of freedom needs to stop
 
Apparently Katsu Curry is becoming a big thing here?
I don't really eat junk food so I never noticed but I suppose I've been doing my part over the years with bricks and supermarket kits before that.
I was a bit taken aback a year or two ago seeing Bisto selling Katsu Curry sauce but thought nothing of it at the time.
Not that surprising though. It's a combo of fried food and curry. Kind-of a no brainer.
East Asian food is becoming far more popular recently. I'm seeing Thai and Japanese for everywhere these days, I doubt katsu will be out Indian curry in terms of popularity but it's getting there.
 
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