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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Trig.Point]

I've made my views on juries known previously on these forums:
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The court system fucks jurys around, haveing them sittfor days waiting to be selected and in general shows no respect for their time. The end result (and I think this is intentional) they end up with people that either don't have anything better to do or can't think of a way of getting out of it.

The company I work for had numerous people called for jury service over the years, from what I've been told is that none of them ever had to deliver a verdict. The case(usually civil) was ended before it got to that point. In the end HR decided the company wasn't going to pay employees called anymore, which reduced the numbers being selected..

Everyone whinging about just stop oil protesters as if they're going to actually going to serve anywhere near their full sentences. It's not as if they put up stickers saying immigration is going to change the demographics of the uk or anything serious like that.

 

[FedPostalService]

The court system fucks jurys around, haveingthem sitting for days waiting to be selected and in general shows no respect for their time. The end result (and I think this is intentional) they end up with people that either don't have anything better to do or can't think of a way of getting out of it.

The company I work for had numerous people called for jury service over the years, from what I've been told is that none of them ever had to deliver a verdict. The case(usually civil) was ended before it got to that point. In the end HR decided the company wasn't going to pay employees called anymore and the number reduced further.

Everyone whinging about just stop oil protesters as if they're going to actually going to serve anywhere near their full sentences. It's not as if they put up stickers saying immigration is going to change the demographics of the uk or anything serious like that.

I’ve done jury duty once and was selected the first day. I’ve been able to get out of it most other times but this time I wasn’t really in a business critical project role so couldn’t.

It’s a weird experience. Guy was guilty as fuck and why he went to trail were he’d just get a larger sentence is insane.

Court staff were fucking horrible, it’s like they were doing us a favour and not the other way around.

I’m just about to cook a full English breakfast.

 

[Coolio55]

Where does this "They rebuilt Britain" come from?

It's exactly like how the turks rebuilt Germany after WW2. Stimulating its police force and welfare programs like a (traditional) vaccine.

Court staff were fucking horrible, it’s like they were doing us a favour and not the other way around.

Public servants from the justice system are the most smug, entitled people you will ever meet. Somehow smugger than the politicians telling them what to do.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

Not much was accredited to the paddies or sikhs though because they were mostly here 'illegally' (they hoped on a boat/plane and came for work. Often working for just food.) It was a different time back then, a very different time. It may as well have been a different fucking country.

I don't think there's ever been such a thing as illegal Irish immigration. The Common Travel Area means that any Irish person can live and work here, and vice versa.

 

[FedPostalService]

I don't think there's ever been such a thing as illegal Irish immigration. The Common Travel Area means that any Irish person can live and work here, and vice versa.

Most people commenting on Paddy or Bong topics are retarded or, and may allah forgive me for saying this, American.

It’s best to ignore and move on.

 

[AssignedEva]

I don't think there's ever been such a thing as illegal Irish immigration. The Common Travel Area means that any Irish person can live and work here, and vice versa.

Yep and prior to the CTA, the Kingdom of Ireland was ruled by the English King and then became part of the United Kingdom. Irish people haven't really been legally foreign in the UK at any point, although interestingly we did try to make the Scots foreign.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Court staff were fucking horrible, it’s like they were doing us a favour and not the other way around.

The high and crown courts are an archaic, enclosed system of bastardry and arrogance that should have been done away with a long time ago. They're rarely home to justice and usually populated by a combination of whiny toffs and arrogant jobsworths who voluntarily kowtow to authority in the hope they can throw a little of it around themselves. If you want a good rundown of how godawful those courts are, just watch Rumpole of the Bailey. It's decades old, but chambers haven't changed at all in all those years, so it's practically a documentary.

The closest you get to any sort of actual justice in the "justice system" is at magistrates' courts. There's no jury, none of the needless pomp, and as long as you haven't got a district judge, the magistrate is a volunteer rather than a former barrister selected from chambers. There's a certain luck of the draw issue inherent to volunteer magistrates, but you usually get people who are actually interested in justice, so you come away from it knowing you more than likely received a fair hearing, even if you ultimately lost.

 

[Geoff Capes Vapes Apes]

WRT the Irish, the reality is that they either intermarried with the English within a couple of generations or fucked off back to Ireland, unlike the subcontinentals and the blessings of the Windrush

My grandparents came over in the 50s, had a family over here, then bought a farm in Ireland and went home. Their children who stayed in England all married English partners and had families. My generation are completely culturally English apart from a distressing tendency to sing Dubliners songs when drunk. We have English names, English families, support England in the football and love England as our homeland.

Contrast this with 3rd generation Pakistanis going "home" for 2 months every year, importing their cousin-brides, speaking heathen lingo and refusing to assimilate (a big part of which is religious rather than racial, but that's another discussion).

Until the average Mohammed in the street sees nothing wrong with a full spoons breakfast washed down with a pint, we will never know peace.

 

[FedPostalService]

Yep and prior to the CTA, the Kingdom of Ireland was ruled by the English King and then became part of the United Kingdom. Irish people haven't really been legally foreign in the UK at any point, although interestingly we did try to make the Scots foreign.

In fairness a lot of Scots keep trying to make themselves foreign too.

My grandparents came over in the 50s, had a family over here, then bought a farm in Ireland and went home. Their children who stayed in England all married English partners and had families. My generation are completely culturally English apart from a distressing tendency to sing Dubliners songs when drunk. We have English names, English families, support England in the football and love England as our homeland.

My dad’s second generation immigrant, grew up speaking Italian and is still fluent in Italian (albeit with a neopolitan dialect) but considers himself English.

I also know a Scottish girl whose parents moved to work in the NHS from Africa who couldn’t be more Scottish, her skin is black but if you cut her she’d bleed haggis.

I had a clients who were Sikh, but their kids had first names so English that you could guess that he voted for Brexit and probably shouts the gamer word watching the football.

Integration is possible and it was easy when it was small numbers.

The issue was ghettos were allowed to form and we’ve had nothing but moral cowardice for the last fifty years were our leaders wouldn’t say “no”.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

The high and crown courts are an archaic, enclosed system of bastardry and arrogance that should have been done away with a long time ago. They're rarely home to justice and usually populated by a combination of whiny toffs and arrogant jobsworths who voluntarily kowtow to authority in the hope they can throw a little of it around themselves. If you want a good rundown of how godawful those courts are, just watch Rumpole of the Bailey. It's decades old, but chambers haven't changed at all in all those years, so it's practically a documentary.

The closest you get to any sort of actual justice in the "justice system" is at magistrates' courts. There's no jury, none of the needless pomp, and as long as you haven't got a district judge, the magistrate is a volunteer rather than a former barrister selected from chambers. There's a certain luck of the draw issue inherent to volunteer magistrates, but you usually get people who are actually interested in justice, so you come away from it knowing you more than likely received a fair hearing, even if you ultimately lost.

I do wonder if it's always been that way, or if we're getting blasted with a particularly toxic smog of people in power recently. I always hear about how the police used to be respected, and I'm fairly old now (28 ), but I've never heard of anyone actually respecting the police. They've always been seen as petty tyrant faggots; with a chip on their shoulder, and no real desire to assist you over just fucking you over if it helps them meet a quota, or they're just bored. Courts were always seen as the same. This awful system you were sometimes compelled to interact with, that would ruin your day/week/month/year until you can get away from it.

Maybe it's because I grew up poor in Small Heath lol. That'll certainly give you a bias towards certain attitudes towards police.

 

[FedPostalService]

I do wonder if it's always been that way, or if we're getting blasted with a particularly toxic smog of people in power recently. I always hear about how the police used to be respected, and I'm fairly old now (2, but I've never heard of anyone actually respecting the police. They've always been seen as petty tyrant faggots; with a chip on their shoulder, and no real desire to assist you over just fucking you over if it helps them meet a quota, or they're just bored.

Maybe it's because I grew up poor in Small Heath lol. That'll certainly give you a bias towards certain attitudes towards police.

I know quite a few old school retired police. They were pretty high up and did have a sense of civic duty. They’re really nice guys but I do think they’d happily break my fingers during questioning if I was an arsehole.

Society needs people like that to keep the scumbags in order.

Those men will have been replaced by tiny men and women, some of those women will have penises, and they’ll all have pronouns in their bios.

You don’t have to like people to respect them. I used to fear and respect for the police, now I just feel sorrow and disgust for them.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I do wonder if it's always been that way, or if we're getting blasted with a particularly toxic smog of people in power recently. I always hear about how the police used to be respected, and I'm fairly old now (28 ), but I've never heard of anyone actually respecting the police.

Police forces have always been riddled with corrupt, petty criminals, but back in the day they used to live within the community they served, which put a brake on how stupidly criminal they could get with you. It's hard to be a complete fuck when you're dealing with your neighbours on a day to day basis; you have to get along and stay in the good graces of everyone around you, or you'll find yourself ostracised in pretty short order. There was also far less call to actually interact with them (or with the system in general). Most people, until the 50s or 60s, would see a bobby wandering around on patrol every now and then and maybe talk to the tax man once a year, and that was it. The exception would probably in cities, especially London, where the metropolitan force was already structured in a way that meant police worked outside of the area they lived.

The ultimate problem with the police is the same as you'd find in any organisation that gives people unaccountable power: it attracts the sort of people who want to abuse others and get away with it. Even this idealised past I've described was no different. There would always be parish forces that were little more than the personal fief of some jumped-up mini despot.

If police were ever respected, it was because even the petty tyrants set aside time to actually pursue criminals and enforce the law in a relatively fair way. Today's police can't even be fucked to do that.

As for the courts, they've always been shitholes. The last time they had any redeeming features was for a short period after the abolition of trial by combat and the establishment of habeas corpus. It's been downhill ever since.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Hello kind Bongoloids, I’m curious about what the people around you think of the American election, if anything at all?
Has the British normie’s thoughts on Trump or Biden changed at all over the past few crazy weeks?

Wrong thread maybe? But it relates to what I want to ask about so will answer.

Since the election, has anyone got the feeling that British politics is now no longer of interest to anyone? Granted, this could be a result of the Trump assassination attempt and various high profile murders/disappearences drowing out the news cycle, but it feels as though after the election, people just checked out and don't care any more.


I can't really comment on normie thoughts since, despite American's insisting otherwise, people don't really think about America much, let alone American politics. This is why Brits react with either a sensible chuckle or mild annoyance when July 4 comes around and social media is inundated with yanks posting wojaks and memes about how salty we allegedly are. That said, we seem to get a less biased view of USA, maybe? Like Joe Biden having dimentia. I knew of that since pretty much he was elected, but most Americans didn't seem to know until the debate.

I do wonder if it's always been that way, or if we're getting blasted with a particularly toxic smog of people in power recently.

I know what you mean. Not to sound too autistic, but I'm reminded of gaming journalists and developers. Long story short, back in the day they were generally pretty chill. It wasn't until there was a chance to chase clout that they became full of sex pests and scumbags that hate their audience.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

Wrong thread maybe? But it relates to what I want to ask about so will answer.

Since the election, has anyone got the feeling that British politics is now no longer of interest to anyone?

Gotta give them time to fuck up properly.
Scots in the oil industry are the first to feel this.
Fair bets for next are people inheriting and farmers getting their land compulsory purchased into solar power plants.

 

[EddyRooney]

Wrong thread maybe? But it relates to what I want to ask about so will answer.

Since the election, has anyone got the feeling that British politics is now no longer of interest to anyone? Granted, this could be a result of the Trump assassination attempt and various high profile murders/disappearences drowing out the news cycle, but it feels as though after the election, people just checked out and don't care any more.

Do you remember the last Labour government under BLiar and the One Eyed Scotsman ( Brown ) ?
This is exactly what happened then, they lulled the country to sleep, distracted them with "Cool Britainia" and then sneaked through a load of legislation that fundamentally changed the country forever. This time is going to be as bad or worse. There are going to be massive changes to the Civil Service, things that once they've been done can't be undone. Unfortunatley most people won't notice until their freedoms have completely gone - this government will increasingly impinge on individuals' liberties.

Chunky Salsa said:
I do wonder if it's always been that way, or if we're getting blasted with a particularly toxic smog of people in power recently. I always hear about how the police used to be respected, and I'm fairly old now (28 ), but I've never heard of anyone actually respecting the police.

Fairly old at 28 ?! I hope not, for your sake. People did respect the police. I've been told about a time when people unquestioningly did what a police officer told them to do. It seems to me that there was suddenly a tolerance of the public disrespecting them and this acted to undermine them ( chicken and egg scenario ). It's a thin line, you don't want the thug / little nazi types that would kick your head in for a harmless mocking remark, but you certainly don't want the lot we have now who are soft as shite and only police issues that most people aren't interested in and only police certain people.
A good example of why they lost even more respect recently would be the Just Stop Oil fiascoes. All the fannying around, allowing the protestors to block roads, vandalise things - when they had respect these people would have been forcibly removed and in the back of a van within seconds.....what's changed ? I think a lot of it is due to Human Rights Laws, the police are frightened of being prosecuted themselves. Remind me again, which new Prime Minister used to be a Human Rights Lawyer ?

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Fairly old at 28 ?! I hope not, for your sake

I can feeel it in me bones laddy.

Interesting perspective though.

 

[Overdrive]

My granddad was a copper from when he got out the army after WW2 until the early 80s and then worked in the police unions until the mid 90s. He was quite fond of telling me how the entire profession went to shit towards the end of the 80s and how you can't trust anyone in the force anymore, and this was back in the early 00s. Doesn't surprise me at all how bad the police are these days.

 

[3deadniggers]

Fairly old at 28 ?! I hope not, for your sake. People did respect the police. I've been told about a time when people unquestioningly did what a police officer told them to do. It seems to me that there was suddenly a tolerance of the public disrespecting them and this acted to undermine them ( chicken and egg scenario ). It's a thin line, you don't want the thug / little nazi types that would kick your head in for a harmless mocking remark, but you certainly don't want the lot we have now who are soft as shite and only police issues that most people aren't interested in and only police certain people.
A good example of why they lost even more respect recently would be the Just Stop Oil fiascoes. All the fannying around, allowing the protestors to block roads, vandalise things - when they had respect these people would have been forcibly removed and in the back of a van within seconds.....what's changed ? I think a lot of it is due to Human Rights Laws, the police are frightened of being prosecuted themselves. Remind me again, which new Prime Minister used to be a Human Rights Lawyer ?

Police used to be respected because they were local people with local knowledge which made them useful. If a kid got in trouble with the local coppers he wasn't going to be handed an ASBO and a slap on the wrist. He was going to be dragged home to his Father and given what he deserved behind closed doors. You knew who the coppers were and who their family were because you would be going to school with them and seeing them around when they were off duty. The coppers were also quite tough blokes you didn't want to mess with. There was none of the paper work we have today where the slightest bruise is a lawsuit waiting to happen. If you tried to get physical with them they would lump you one and some times even if you didn't. Not all coppers were decent people but you learned who was like that locally and unfortunately some times they were what you actually needed. Local trouble makers learned to move on or pack it in once Mr Plod belted them a couple of times and threatened to do it next time he saw them no matter what they were doing.

That's why they were respected and now they aren't. They turn up in rainbow cars, write in their notebooks and give you a number to a file no one is ever going to open again. Back in the day if your car got nicked they probably knew who did it and would go knock on the door themselves and ask where it was. Smaller world back then and hard to describe how different it felt to now.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

Since the election, has anyone got the feeling that British politics is now no longer of interest to anyone? Granted, this could be a result of the Trump assassination attempt and various high profile murders/disappearences drowing out the news cycle, but it feels as though after the election, people just checked out and don't care any more.

It'll start to get interesting as Labour starts to actually do stuff, give it a few months.

 

[Shig O'nella]

It'll start to get interesting as Labour starts to actually do stuff, give it a few months.

Can I opt out of interesting and stick with boring please?