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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[3deadniggers]

Probably a dumb question but who thought giving illegal immigrants free hotel rooms was a good idea? Unless you're intention is to completely destroy a country why would you carry out the system the way it is now? It's nothing short of evil and it seems crazy we got to this point. We always talk about it in abstracts but where's the root of the problem?

 

[Otterly]

hear you, but the thing that really guts your will to stay and fight is not when the government is oppressing you, but when your fellow citizens turn on you.

I wholeheartedly agree. I managed the part of Covid that went ‘the government is fucking stupid and compromised.’ Just fine. What broke me was the people around me turning on me. Watching the population drink it down and enjoy it.

Unless you're intentional is to completely destroy a country why would you carry out the system the way it is now?

You just answered the question. The intent is to destroy the country. Hotels get filled with young fighting age men. They can no longer accept tourists so the tourist trade dies. Most tourist focused business is small and local, now all that’s gone. More poverty and dependency. Hordes of young fighting age men everywhere.
The intent is to destroy US. WE are the country. The country is its people and the land. It’s aimed at US.
ETA: I now have ‘shipbuilding’ playing in my head

 

[adam_moche]

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Why is Labour so popular? I have not heard anyone say a good thing about them. Even their own supporters don't seem to like them. And Keir Starmer is weird. He's not a likeable guy.

 

[3deadniggers]

You just answered the question. The intent is to destroy the country. Hotels get filled with young fighting age men. They can no longer accept tourists so the tourist trade dies. Most tourist focused business is small and local, now all that’s gone. More poverty and dependency. Hordes of young fighting age men everywhere.
The intent is to destroy US. WE are the country. The country is its people and the land. It’s aimed at US.

I know this but why? If you're in charge of a country, earning millions a year fucking around at office parties and diddling little boys. Why would you ever intentionally bring in a replacement population you know can't keep the party going?

 

[Otterly]

I know this but why? If you're in charge of a country, earning millions a year fucking around at office parties and diddling little boys. Why would you ever intentionally bring in a replacement population you know can't keep the party going?

Well they were told that it’d help the population crash, the tax pyramid.
The question is who told them that and what do THEY want. And why anyone believed it, I mean it’s not like you can import a million Somalis and get anything other than a million dole recipients.
Why indeed? It’s almost as thought the people who look like they run the country don’t actually run the country isn’t it?

 

[isalaide]

Popfax - Keir Starmer is both the model for Mark Darcy in Bridget Jones' Diary, and the guy who worked pro bono for Steel and Morris in the McLibel case. Which he won.

ETA Otterly that is a gross slander on the malis. Thanks to them we have a substantially more efficient drug dealing network in the south of England.

 

[Doctor Love]

We always talk about it in abstracts but where's the root of the problem?

nothing short of evil

Yeah each time I get into the logic loop of trying to find a motive for something so heinous, I give up.

They're just flat-out evil megalomaniacs. Maybe they once had a motive, but now, it's just layer upon layer of disgusting wretch, each trying to topple the other through dirty tricks. Animals fighting over a decaying carcass.

Why would you ever intentionally bring in a replacement population you know can't keep the party going?

Again, the above. It's not one person so much as a pack of dogs picking at the same cow, snapping at each other and pulling eachother's hair with their teeth. Each has no real power, and the victim can overcome it - but it's panicked and unable to focus its effort.

It's not one group. Remember how "Partygate" was taken from Rishi Sunak's window?

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Well, now you can - you're welcome. Out of curiosity, are there any existing product lines for the automated production of black powder/substitute? Not the substitute itself, but for a "home brewing apparatus" that you know about?

See, atleast you know what "extremely dangerous" means. It doesn't mean KNO3, does it, it means ricin.

I meant can't but you know how fatfingering the keyboard is. Thing is, if you know your chemistry/biology you can find about a hundred things more effective than ricin, easier to concentrate, and more stable. For example, lmao what is the entire Veratrum genus.

Existing product lines:
I don't make powder since my chemistry isn't that great (I spend my time isolating compounds from food plants). Automated production is not really an amateur viable thing in the US (for amateurs) since it's just so readily available. Probably could build one with some robotics + A good ball mill + Chemistry lab equipment (Use explosion safe electronics...) with a decent stirring machine I guess. Probably easier to just use liquid propellant with chemistry equipment alone in vacuum.

I don't condone breaking the law in the UK or anywhere else.

Spoiler: Propellant without Nitrogen

I guess you could try making liquid propellant based cartridges if you can remove the oxygen (and maybe use steel instead of brass). Or plastic if you can keep it from leeching into the plastic lmao.
Acetozone (Solid ish) or tert-Butyl hydroperoxide (Both have own oxygen for a sealed casing) with Dichloroacetylene primer?

 

[teriyakiburns]

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html

Why is Labour so popular? I have not heard anyone say a good thing about them. Even their own supporters don't seem to like them. And Keir Starmer is weird. He's not a likeable guy.

Labour isn't popular; the Tories are unpopular, which polling companies are translating into apparent support for Labour with carefully structured questions.

 

[isalaide]

the Tories are unpopular

In a civilised society we'd hang those cunts from a lamppost, instead of letting them all swan off with their ill-gotten gains.

 

[Doctor Love]

Probably could build one with some robotics + A good ball mill + Chemistry lab equipment (Use explosion safe electronics...) with a decent stirring machine I guess. Probably easier to just use liquid propellant with chemistry equipment alone in vacuum.

Oh, no, I know that much - I found that you can use a different method for Urea sources, like DEF, for a similar result. Hence, the fuss.

 

[AssignedEva]

5 years of them will be bad, it's the 4+ years of Angela that scare me. She is desperate to be Labour's first female PM and already envisions herself as a Thatcher type saviour. Problem is she will get in as leader then idiots won't want to vote her out at the subsequent election because "she needs to be given a chance." She'll have a one woman goal of punishing everyone who annoys her and damn the damage to the country as she spends half a decade doing so.

I quite rate Rayner, she's gobby and working class and she worked as a carer. She feels like a refreshingly real person to me, and she describes herself as a socialist. I'd support socialism if it was what I consider to be proper socialism, putting the national interest first and not hand wringing about things going on half the world away and saying we need to let all those poor fighting age men in willy-nilly.
I don't trust Labour, whether it's headed by Starmer or by Rayner, to actually do anything serious about immigration. As I said previously, they might unfuck processing and reduce all the people we're hosting in hotels to the tune of £1.5 billion, when the number of asylum seekers per year isn't actually that much higher. compared to how many we're putting up because they're not getting processed in a timely fashion:

I think I'm like a lot of you where I lack faith in mainstream political parties, but I'd rather have someone like Starmer or Rayner (and honestly, much rather someone bolshie like Rayner), who's noticeably coming from a working class background over yet another posho extruded from the Oxford PPE machine or whatever the fuck Farage is cooking up.

 

[3deadniggers]

Making out that Farage is a bad guy is dumb. Farage is at worst an attention seeking loud mouth with some success in pushing things more rightward. At best everyone else is a crook with a history of destroying the country.

 

[Spunt]

I think I'm like a lot of you where I lack faith in mainstream political parties, but I'd rather have someone like Starmer or Rayner (and honestly, much rather someone bolshie like Rayner), who's noticeably coming from a working class background over yet another posho extruded from the Oxford PPE machine or whatever the fuck Farage is cooking up.

I wish I shared your faith but I remember the Blair government and all the "salt of the earth working class socialists" who either turned out to be buffoons like John Prescott and Robin Cook who were put where they couldn't do any harm to Blair's neolib project but just about keep the trade unions onside, or like Frank Field, who was told to "think the unthinkable" about welfare reform, was naive enough to actually do that, and was fired for it. Blair's real power was in boorish paternalist authoritarians like Jack Cunningham, Jack Straw and Gordon Brown, who helped Blair turn this country into a hellscape that continues to this day. Blair is the single biggest reason this country is the shithole that it is, and frankly Keir Starmer reminds me of him too much, like Blair he's a lawyer with a Stalinist leadership style - look how he ruthlessly purged the Corbyn faction and centralised power around himself, that's how he leads and that's how he'll lead the country.

Not that there's much we can do about it right now. Labour is going to win this election however you and I vote. So let's take the opportunity to clean house and give the Tories the brutal shoeing they deserve, and more importantly, that they need. I agree that Farage would make a terrible prime minister, but that's not what he needs to do or indeed what I think he himself wants to do. What he is is a wrecking ball we can use to smash the Tory party to pieces, and force the right to regroup. A lot of pundits are talking about the 1993 Canadian election, where the ruling Progressive Conservative party were smashed so hard they went out of existence, and this election is similar in many ways - we have the opportunity to have a Great Reset of our own.

 

[Snekposter]

You just know this thread's going to get mentioned in the press when he inevitably blows himself up

Woo, Kiwi Farms space program here we come!

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

I quite rate Rayner, she's gobby and working class and she worked as a carer. She feels like a refreshingly real person to me, and she describes herself as a socialist.

Fair enough. To me she's none of these things, she's our cheap knock off of AOC.

The pinnacle of my issues with her were brought to a head by the nonsense about the claim that someone said she was crossing and uncrossing her legs to distract people on the opposite benches. Hue and cry, mass "how dare this rampant misogyny be allowed" including from her and it turns out she was the source of that claim.

Allow me to summarise it with how the AI explains the whole thing since it talks the way Labour like to tell the story, minus the truthful bit.

Angela Rayner, the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party in the United Kingdom, has been at the center of a political storm after being accused of crossing and uncrossing her legs to distract Prime Minister Boris Johnson during Prime Minister’s Questions (PMQs). The allegations were made by Conservative MPs and published in a British newspaper.

The Allegations

According to the newspaper, the Conservative MPs claimed that Ms. Rayner would cross and uncross her legs during PMQs to distract the Prime Minister and gain an advantage in the debate. The article compared the alleged behavior to a scene from the 1992 film Basic Instinct, in which actress Sharon Stone uncrosses her legs to distract a detective.

Ms. Rayner’s Response

Ms. Rayner denied the allegations, calling them “sexist” and “misogynistic.” Her spokesman described the claims as “categorically untrue.” Ms. Rayner also joked about the allegations, saying that she had heard that there might be a vacancy for Prime Minister soon, so maybe she should show her aspiration.

The Political Fallout

The allegations sparked a heated debate about sexism and misogyny in politics. The Speaker of the House of Commons summoned the editor of the newspaper that published the article to explain the allegations. The incident also highlighted the ongoing tensions between the Labour and Conservative parties in the UK.

The Truth Revealed

In a surprising twist, it was revealed that Ms. Rayner herself had initiated the story, joking about her alleged behavior to Conservative MPs during a conversation on the House of Commons terrace. The Conservative MPs who made the allegations had apparently been told about Ms. Rayner’s joke by her herself.

Conclusion

The incident highlights the ongoing challenges faced by women in politics, including the prevalence of sexism and misogyny. While Ms. Rayner’s joke about her alleged behavior was meant to be humorous, it was misinterpreted and blown out of proportion by the media and the Conservative Party. The incident serves as a reminder of the importance of treating all politicians with respect and dignity, regardless of their gender.

She joked she was doing it. People said she had joked about doing sop and the media repeated that those claims had been made. In response to her own words being repeated she hammed it up for attention saying that such claims were sexist and misogynistic knowing she was the source of those remarks. Essentially she did the same shit as people faking threats against themselves online then acting like those are genuine.

There is nothing real about her. She's just another politician and a slimier one than usual, though less so than Kier which is not exactly an achievement.

 

[GratsTheat783]

I watched GB News before with my parents and they had some guy on there who was a Druid (Pagan) talking about the JSO people vandalising Stonehenge. He was upset about it since apparently Stonehenge, and some other circles throughout Britain, are sacred to Druids and said most Druids would agree with protecting the planet, but that their antics only turn people against environmentalism.

I heard that Druids in Ancient Britain did not write things down since they believed words were sacred, so what they actually believed isn't well known.

They also had a thing on before that about National Service, apparently Rishi's saying that 18-24 year olds who refuse NS will be sanctioned, losing their driver's licenses and having their bank accounts froze.

 

[isalaide]

They also had a thing on before that about National Service, apparently Rishi's saying that 18-24 year olds who refuse NS will be sanctioned, losing their driver's licenses and having their bank accounts froze.

Yes, this was the special Question Time leaders' edition. He did say this. He is a fucking clown. The Jeremy Kyle class don't have driving licences or any bank account beyond the one they get their universal credit into. He has absolutely no fucking understanding of the people he is trying to "do something about".

 

[Spunt]

I watched GB News before with my parents and they had some guy on there who was a Druid (Pagan) talking about the JSO people vandalising Stonehenge. He was upset about it since apparently Stonehenge, and some other circles throughout Britain, are sacred to Druids and said most Druids would agree with protecting the planet, but that their antics only turn people against environmentalism.

I heard that Druids in Ancient Britain did not write things down since they believed words were sacred, so what they actually believed isn't well known.

They also had a thing on before that about National Service, apparently Rishi's saying that 18-24 year olds who refuse NS will be sanctioned, losing their driver's licenses and having their bank accounts froze.

Druidism was made up wholesale in the 19th century and bears no resemblance to the beliefs of ancient Britons. We have no clear idea what Stonehenge was actually built for, there are various theories but none of them bear any resemblance to what those ridiculous larpers get up to.

Sunak's NS plans will never happen because he's going to be jettisoned in 2 weeks, but the fact the tories are willing to fuck with people's civil rights in that way shows why it is so important to destroy them so we don't end up with a US style uniparty, assuming we don't already have one.

 

[AssignedEva]

She joked she was doing it. People said she had joked about doing sop and the media repeated that those claims had been made. In response to her own words being repeated she hammed it up for attention saying that such claims were sexist and misogynistic knowing she was the source of those remarks. Essentially she did the same shit as people faking threats against themselves online then acting like those are genuine.

I think that's disgusting behaviour, and completely unfitting for a politician.

But I blame the only group of people who are bigger scum than politicians (besides maybe estate agents): journalists. Journalists want controversy and jokes and clicks and easy soundbytes. They've cheapened politics in this country and made it an embarrassing shitfest. Making jokes about flashing your legs is inappropriate when you're in Parliament to run the country but that's the sort of atmosphere politics has now, and a large part of that is the journalist Boris Johnson, who decided to make acting like a Class A Idiot into a political strategy. Politicians are now measured by someone "you'd have a drink in a pub with". I don't want to have a drink with my politicians, I want them to be sober, boring, serious people who take their job seriously - but the press all make everything into a joke now. And with Boris in charge, off the back of and reinforced by journalists chasing easy articles, we lowered the tone of parliament. PMQs became about witty zingers and stupid nicknames like "Captain Crasheroonie Snoozefest". So no shit, you end up with politicians making stupid bawdy jokes like that.

And on top of that the press are ready to do performative pearl clutching. So someone like Rayner who gets caught out can't just go "lol I was making a joke, you know Boris is a randy bugger" because despite politics being reduced to a clown show, if she said something like that then suddenly it'd be treated super seriously. When she did it. But when Boris made off colour remark after off colour remark, that was just Boris being Boris. So she used the weapons she had available, i.e. calling it misogyny.

It's why Starmer can't have a normal person answer about Corbyn - "I did back him at the time, because he was popular with the party, but the opinion shifted so I took my chance at leading Labour in a more positive direction, you've got to toe the party line, that's politics" = "Keir has no principles and backstabs people and is evil". Whereas "I did support Corbyn and thought his policies were right, but unfortunately the country didn't agree so I had to change tact" = "Keir is a Corbynite". Meanwhile, again, Boris writing two columns (one for vote leave, and one for vote remain) and picking which one to publish to get the more populist support = radio silence (because journalists always protect their own).

The last 15 years has been a shitshow, but it wouldn't have gotten so bad if it wasn't for all the client press uncritically supporting the Tory party until it became untenable. Laura Kuenssberg might as well have had an earpiece wired in from CCHQ from all the PR statements she basically repeated verbatim. Jacob Rees-Mogg admitted last year that their intention with bringing in voter ID was to try and reduce the amount of young people being able to vote, to stack the deck towards the Conservatives in a form of gerrymandering (it just "backfired") - how is this not a giant controversy? It basically got glossed over in any serious paper. Can you imagine if a Labour government had acknowledged they'd tried to make it harder for elderly people to vote, by cracking down on postal voting, because of some mysterious voting fraud that wasn't going on?

So yeah I don't like Angela Ranyer was making these jokes, but it's against the backdrop of a bawdy house where people are watching pornography on the benches of the Commons and getting sucked off by his mistress (who then basically ran Number 10) in their parliamentary offices. I hate what politics has become in a relatively short space of time. So I grade on a curve and say Angela Rayner's nowhere near as bad as the omnishambles that has been the Conservative party and at the end of the day she was making an off colour joke with colleagues. Pea under a mattress compared to betting on the election and giving contracts for PPE to your mates in the middle of a pandemic.