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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Doctor Love]

You just know this thread's going to get mentioned in the press when he inevitably blows himself up

I'm glad you're so confident in my abilities!

Voting will never fix the situation we're in. The UK has a long history of making anti-status que things illegal in abstract ways. They will rarely say a party or movement is illegal, but they will find some side issue they can legislate against and ban it which impacts the party. If Trump had been in the UK they would have made red hats illegal after the first rally and had the BBC airing 45 minute documentaries on how red hats are the new menace and should be banned from shopping centers nation wide.

10/10, pretty much how it is with the NO3.

But GCHQ use an awful lot of automated techniques to sift internet content, and there are several phrases in your recent posts that are likely to trip the software.

I know they are. I did a little maths in my head - obviously, health and shit, move to the USA and try it there, etc.

Essentially, fuck 'em. I'm pretty proud of myself, I did nothing wrong, there's no threat - to anyone. These men are nothing but faggy little tyrants who think they can rule over the UK like the NKVD.

Now, there's always going to be that risk that the next time they arrest someone for putting up stickers, they might actually fight back.

And Hi, GCHQ! You, you the Spook reading this. Yeah, you. You know you are part of the problem. You stay up at night thinking about it. You are struggling with your morals because of the things you are being asked to do. We know you do, and you know that we know. At what point does loyalty to your employer diverge from loyalty to your country? Because some day soon you won't be able to fit both those things into your life.

To add to this: lol, I have no intention of harming anyone. I am not some deranged criminal, like you or your coworkers. I did my duty, where you failed. There's nothing you can do. All I have done is confirmed the potential for modernisation of a historical process - that cat has now left the bag, and you're not going to get it back in.

Good luck, gayboys.

 

[isalaide]

My plan is to go to the chip shop for tea.

Finally a policy I can really get behind

 

[adam_moche]

I've been trying to find reliable polling data and analysis for the UK election but I haven't had too much luck other than "the Tories are shit" and something, something NHS. Any recommendations?

It seems to me the British ruling class is pursuing a mixture of moral grandstanding while sucking out the wealth and vitality of the country. Also, the number of Rwandans entering Britain via France from Albania, Afghanistan and Africastan, etc. seems a little high.

I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone talk about rebuilding the Britsh Navy. Fill a couple of jump carriers with a few thousand drones, then look forward to the British chattering classes discuss the social justice implications of privateering Russian oil tankers. Soon HMS Thunberg will impose net zero across the 7 seas or else.

 

[Doctor Love]

I've been trying to find reliable polling data and analysis for the UK election but I haven't had too much luck other than "the Tories are shit" and something, something NHS. Any recommendations?

Ah, there are none. Generally, Labour wins, Reform does better than expected, Libdems somehow end up in second place despite coming last.

 

[3deadniggers]

Look at it this way - even if it doesn't make things any better, at this stage voting for Farage can't possibly make anything worse, and it will make a lot of people very, very angry which should be reason enough to do it anyway.

I will vote for my Reform candidate because I think he's the best for the job. Have to vote local and ignore the big party stuff as best you can. If your Reform guy is going to be worse than your Tory than vote Tory. If you don't like any of them vote Reform to give the big 2 a bloody nose.

Finally a policy I can really get behind

You can wait in line like the rest of us!

I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone talk about rebuilding the Britsh Navy. Fill a couple of jump carriers with a few thousand drones, then look forward to the British chattering classes discuss the social justice implications of privateering Russian oil tankers. Soon HMS Thunberg will impose net zero across the 7 seas or else.

All our boats are currently being used to house the invading African hordes. We'll have to wait until some hotels are free to get them back and have a navy again.

 

[Overly Serious]

Tories have been slipping in weird, specific shit like this too, to farming regulations. AdBlue, as of right now, doesn't have any - but you can expect to see it added later. This is from agriculture. Urease is the enzyme in the bacterial fermentation process that I used - and it's very common. To "reduce pollution" the government wants to kill off the fertilising bacteria in the farmlands. This came into effect this year.

Well that was a very interesting post and I have no idea what sneaky stuff has been snuck into farming supply laws by the Tories or if they're carcinogenic. It's good if someone is catching this stuff if it is the case. But as others have said, this isn't necessarily the place for that stuff and in particular, if you are reliant on some idea of "but I have a legitimate reason, they can't get me for talking about this stuff," you are wrong. The process is the crime. There's a guy in the UK right now who is being denied contact with his children because he said Jewish people control the media. It may be that you are right - I am neither a chemist nor a farmer. But I can tell you that being right is not a defence against the State.

ftfy

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This is the big unaddressed demo, and why I think the predictions of a labour landslide are still overly optimistic. Labour is not going to benefit as much from the Tories imploding as polls suggest, same way they didn't during the locals. A lot of voters are either going to go to other parties (lib dems in particular) or are just not going to participate. Caveats and conditions apply. Predictions are always wrong, especially about the future.

I feel like the triple-arsed avatar is probably where I'm leaning right now. I'd actually be more inclined to vote for Reform if Farage wasn't leading it. I've read their manifesto (such as it is) and don't agree with it all. BUT, the success of Reform puts a pressure on the Tories to drift towards nationalism to reclaim votes from Reform, rather than go ever more centrist or Left to claim votes from Labour. For all that the uniparty is a useful concept with a lot of truth to it, the British parties do compete for votes. Votes are how you secure favours and if you can't scratch their back, they wont scratch yours. So I'm inclined to vote Reform just to show the Tories what direction to head in.

Which is bizarre because there's a lot I disagree with Reform on, but what are my options?

And Hi, GCHQ! You, you the Spook reading this. Yeah, you. You know you are part of the problem. You stay up at night thinking about it. You are struggling with your morals because of the things you are being asked to do. We know you do, and you know that we know. At what point does loyalty to your employer diverge from loyalty to your country? Because some day soon you won't be able to fit both those things into your life.

Well that's why they have specially appointed people you can refer yourself to if you're having ethical doubts. These people can (a) reassure you why what you're doing is necessary and (b) assess if maybe you should be moved off certain projects.

 

[isalaide]

I've been trying to find reliable polling data and analysis for the UK election but I haven't had too much luck other than "the Tories are shit" and something, something NHS. Any recommendations?

It seems to me the British ruling class is pursuing a mixture of moral grandstanding while sucking out the wealth and vitality of the country. Also, the number of Rwandans entering Britain via France from Albania, Afghanistan and Africastan, etc. seems a little high.

I'm surprised I haven't heard anyone talk about rebuilding the Britsh Navy. Fill a couple of jump carriers with a few thousand drones, then look forward to the British chattering classes discuss the social justice implications of privateering Russian oil tankers. Soon HMS Thunberg will impose net zero across the 7 seas or else.

Our national wizard of polling is John Curtice. I would say he is consistently the most reliable predictor of what will actually happen. You should keep an eye out for his commentary.
There is a recent bit of his discussing the recent polls and where the data is squidgy here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22y07ggy6o
Worth a read.

Rebuilding the Navy would require work and investment to go to the shipyards on the Clyde. No Tory (and very probably, no Labour) government will do this at this time because that would be handing a significant asset and economic boost to the West of Scotland, which quite likes to vote SNP. The unionist parties won't have that.

 

[AssignedEva]

I've been trying to find reliable polling data and analysis for the UK election but I haven't had too much luck other than "the Tories are shit" and something, something NHS. Any recommendations?

Redfield & Wilton is pretty good. You'll also want to look for things being referred to as "MRP" (multi-level regression with post stratification) for likely election outcomes like the recent YouGov one.
If you're from a different voting system then the thing to bear in mind that "Reform 19%" does not in anyway mean Reform will get 19 percent of the seats - in fact based on current models, they'd get 1, while the Liberal Democrats on 11% might get 76 seats. Our elections are purely constituency based, so people in your voting district all vote for which MP they would like to represent them e.g. "Ealing Central & Acton" can vote for who they want to represent them out of James Windsor-Clive (Tory), Rupa Huq (Labour), Felix Orrel (Reform), Alistair Mitton (Lib Dem) etc.

Constituents therefore are in theory not voting on who they want in government, but which MP they want to represent them in parliament. After that, the party with the most seats becomes the government (or forms a coalition to get a majority - there's no actual supermajority concept, everything's based on simple majority of more than half when it comes to votes on legislation in Parliament, which are called divisions) and the leader typically becomes the Prime Minister (the PM is just whoever "commands the confidence of the house"). If a constituency voted 49% Reform 51% Labour, Labour would win the seat. If every constituency in the country voted 49% Reform 51% Labour, Labour would have every seat in Parliament and Reform would have none - popular vote is not factored in, you've got to win a seat in a constituency to make it into parliament. This is why third options tend to do poorly, because they may have widespread support across the electorate but that support is not concentrated into a few key areas.

 

[Spunt]

Rebuilding the Navy would require work and investment to go to the shipyards on the Clyde. No Tory (and very probably, no Labour) government will do this at this time because that would be handing a significant asset and economic boost to the West of Scotland, which quite likes to vote SNP. The unionist parties won't have that.

Right now we're about to mothball 3 ships because we can't recruit enough sailors to man them. The solution has been rather desperate advertising campaigns to try to persuade brown people to sign up, which is as effective as asking them to do any other kind of work. Ridiculous really, they've somehow fumbled the opportunity to deploy the most effective woke minority advertising campaign in history by pointing out that the navy is super fucking gay and it's pretty much 24/7 buttsex.

Well that's why they have specially appointed people you can refer yourself to if you're having ethical doubts. These people can (a) reassure you why what you're doing is necessary and (b) assess if maybe you should be moved off certain projects.

Doesn't always work, trust me. Also, see above. They can't even enough get people to potter around the world on boats getting drunk, let alone violate the rights of their fellow citizens.

 

[FedPostalService]

Our national wizard of polling is John Curtice. I would say he is consistently the most reliable predictor of what will actually happen. You should keep an eye out for his commentary.
There is a recent bit of his discussing the recent polls and where the data is squidgy here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22y07ggy6o
Worth a read.

Rebuilding the Navy would require work and investment to go to the shipyards on the Clyde. No Tory (and very probably, no Labour) government will do this at this time because that would be handing a significant asset and economic boost to the West of Scotland, which quite likes to vote SNP. The unionist parties won't have that.

They’re building destroyers on the Clyde. It’s keeping the shipyards going. The SNP are constantly talking it down because they’re weirdos who get all their news from RT.

 

[isalaide]

They’re building destroyers on the Clyde. It’s keeping the shipyards going. The SNP are constantly talking it down because they’re weirdos who get all their news from RT.

I know, I go to see them sometimes. But an actual significant rebuild of the Navy would mean a hell of a lot more ships. The spectre of Red Clydeside still lingers. Thing is, filling the order books for years to come with significant Navy orders would be an easy (if not cheap) way for Labour to turn Glasgow back to the faith again.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

5 years of Keir Starmer and Diane Abbott is a tough pill to swallow

5 years of them will be bad, it's the 4+ years of Angela that scare me. She is desperate to be Labour's first female PM and already envisions herself as a Thatcher type saviour. Problem is she will get in as leader then idiots won't want to vote her out at the subsequent election because "she needs to be given a chance." She'll have a one woman goal of punishing everyone who annoys her and damn the damage to the country as she spends half a decade doing so.

 

[adam_moche]

My condolences to those of you who lost family members. God bless.

Here's my plan to fix GB. It's the "Make Suez Great Again" party.

I hear Arabs have a lot of money and oil. Take their money and oil so you can pay for your fish and chips.

There are a lot of metals and oil in Africa. Take their metals and oil so you can pay for your fish and chips.

The Russians have a lot of gold and oil on their ships. Take their gold and oil so you can pay for your fish and chips.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Give them 20 grand and a one way ticket back to the home country, or the nearest equivalent. But first, you have to get into power.

You'll probably run into the same issue we do across the pond. The countries won't take them back (Mexico).

While you're arguing about population size they're ramming vans into Christmas markets. It's a race war while you debate the economics and human rights of people wanting you in the next ISIS beheading video.

Does this not remind you of Rome settling foderati who surprise, aren't loyal to Rome at all?

There’s incredibly strange vibes about this election.

You are witnessing the death of a society (At least the current iteration of Britain and the West) in real time. It's the calm before the gathering (shit)storm. It'll be interesting to see if the West has passed into the "you must fight with no hope of winning at all" phase.

Unless you have something like the IRA and a willingness to target every single traitor in power repeatedly and a way not to be caught by modern technology it's pointless trying.

Even the IRA wasn't able to get the job done because the Army Council was filled with informers. Give any organization enough time and it'll decay into a shadow of it's former self.

So - the West, in a broad sense, excluding the USA, has massive restrictions on certain chemicals.

They have been tightening the rules around ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate Fuel Oil) and related analogues ever since McVeigh took out a Federal building with a box truck (lorry) full of it in the 90s. Try buying Nitrate fertilizer in bulk and the BATF and FBI will be come knocking very quickly even if you're a large farmer with an AN number.
It's just much harder to enforce in the US due to the sheer vastness and lack of population in the rural areas (See West, Texas fertilizer explosion). That doesn't mean you can make something extremely dangerous without drawing attention. My VFD responded to a poisoning call once to find some dumbass making concentrated TATP and mixing in Ricin to aerosolize it. Dude was a druggie and was pissed at local gov.

 

[Doctor Love]

But I can tell you that being right is not a defence against the State.

I just did a balance of probabilities. My biggest advantage is that, even if they do - then what? Solitary confinement? As soon as anyone finds out what I'm in for, they'll want to know more. At every step of the process, they have to keep it as quiet as possible or else risk making the situation even worse.

Like I said, health shit - death is a very real prospect, so I figured I'd just take the risk.

Obviously, hoping not to die - but this way, there's a real legacy. No matter what, now, that process may be of use to someone else. I may still make more use of it, properly - a full system sold to the rural folks who want a home-brewed ammunition source. It will take work, since I'm pretty sure I let the pH run too low and pretty much eyeballed everything - but I'm not going to keep quiet about it to appease the NKVD. My only apology would be for like, whoever else gets caught up in the vengeful tyranny of a failed state and its hatred of anything new.

Well that was a very interesting post and I have no idea what sneaky stuff has been snuck into farming supply laws by the Tories or if they're carcinogenic.

Spoiler: shit's just weird

Chemicals are dissolved into the local water:
Urea + H2O -[Urease]-> Ammonia + CO2. The Ammonia then breaks into two paths - ammonium, some of it turns positive, some of it turns negative and reacts with oxygen. Leading to two ions, NH4+ and NO3- in the solution. Those two, together, make Ammonium Nitrate, NH4NO3, the infamously explosive fertiliser.

Citing "pollution", they added chemicals to inhibit urease. I'm not a farmer, so I'm not sure if I'm reading it right - it seems to be setting up the farmers to fail. Urease inhibition, obviously, inhibits the action of that enzyme - it makes sense, you wouldn't want to release it in dry conditions because the ammonia would escape as a gas, rather than dissolve into water - but the rain would dissolve the urea and potentially leech it away, for it to decompose elsewhere. That's not a law to write, that's something a farmer can choose to do to increase efficiency, ad-hoc. When you write in that you have to add an inhibitor, it means that no more urea will decompose after April 1st.

Ammonia isn't really a major issue, anyway, which they admit. Also, even if it does, ammonia is extremely common. It's not a priority, even by the sharpest environmental standards. Efficiency is good, but none of this makes sense. I understand the mechanism behind it, but why is this even a regulatory goal? This adds nothing but extra work, for seemingly no benefit, and all of it has the added effect of making it even harder to farm.

The wording of every regulatory system is crazy, too - vague references to biodiversity, and some pretty sinister implications therein - "you know, the average city is not very biodiverse, there's too many humans compared to other animals..."

In effect, ammonia concentrations make some things grow quicker, and other things grow slower, and so, affecting the environment. This isn't necessarily a problem, yet, every regulation treats it as if it is. It causes eutrophication - a huge spike in algae and shit wherever it leaks to, since it's a fertiliser. It's one thing to try to increase efficiency - everyone wins if that happens - but it looks like they are gearing to just stop farming.

Even more concerning, it's really hard to find any actual writing about what farmers say.

Every article makes some vague reference to it, but doesn't actually say where the problem is. It's all hippy-dippy bullshit about "intensive methods" but no mention of the actual facts of the case.


So I checked what farmers were saying.

This is an amazing forum, thefarmingforum.co.uk

It's just full of some really horrifying shit

And all of it is written in thick, country accents.

Like I said, I'm not some mentalist calling for Jihad. There is a genuine threat, here, and it's designed to be as damaging as possible. It seems as though, in order to prevent people from being self-sustaining, the "One World Government" shit is pushing to restrict anything which can be used to make arms. Those two are completely intertwined and cannot be separated.

Doesn't always work, trust me. Also, see above. They can't even enough get people to potter around the world on boats getting drunk, let alone violate the rights of their fellow citizens.

Well, that's why they have Indians!

That doesn't mean you can make something extremely dangerous without drawing attention. My VFD responded to a poisoning call once to find some dumbass making concentrated TATP and mixing in Ricin to aerosolize it. Dude was a druggie and was pissed at local gov.

Well, now you can - you're welcome. Out of curiosity, are there any existing product lines for the automated production of black powder/substitute? Not the substitute itself, but for a "home brewing apparatus" that you know about?

See, atleast you know what "extremely dangerous" means. It doesn't mean KNO3, does it, it means ricin.

 

[isalaide]

Is anyone else watching this fucking car crash of a Panorama interview with Farage?

 

[adam_moche]

I can fix your Rwandan migrant problem too.

First, you bribe African countries so you can lease farmland and mines around the African coast.

Then, you say to the Rwandan, "Oi mate, you don't have a loicense to be 'ere. 10 years in the mines". And you make the Rwandans pay for the legal fees, cost of transportation, wasting everyone's fucking time, etc. For everything.

Next, fish and chips.

 

[Otterly]

As I said earlier, Otterly woke me up to the fact that these women are from a different generation and have a different mindset to me. Their generation trusted the government and believed what "experts" told them. In that respect they have my deepest sympathies. Do I think they should be helped and much higher up the list of priorities - yes. But I still struggle with the idea that I should pick up the slack as a tax payer ( the governement has no money, it will be my money and everybody else that pays tax who foots any potential bill here ).

I’m not sure how old you are (and no need to say) but I’m middle aged and the waspi women were sort of my mothers cohort. The mindset is dramatically different from mine even one generation down and it’s unthinkable for those two down. You see it when they interact with the medical profession, they just accept what they say (although mine have wised up to that after coof I must say…) so do feel for the waspi women because they were screwed over hard.
But the other thing is this : Even if they did realise what was happening, they could not really DO much about it - these are women who were expected to leave their jobs once they got married, they had no qualifications and no experience. So even if they realised shit I need to sort something out there wasn’t much they could do. The best that most of them could do would be a part time pin money type job, and plenty of them did this, but wages were low and there was very little real chance of them making up that shortfall. Remember too that they were expected to stay home and still run the house, and nobody wants to hire a woman in her fifties who has been a housewife for thirty years.
Nowadays girls can work and plan, but back then the mindset was different, the social contract was different and even if they were totally aware of the change (and most weren’t, the advertising was bizarrely vague) their ability to make up that loss was poor. What jobs could a middle aged woman with no qualms and experience get? Dinner lady, cleaner, office low level if you’re lucky. All low paid.

I do agree with your annoyance making taxpayers foot the bill, and at the same time we have money to spend ten billion on young men who arrive in dinghies, and putting them up in hotels. Billions for vanity projects, billions for Ukraine, billions wasted in HS2. I think what gets me is the fact it was working class people who felt they did everything society expected of them, and then got fucked over. While immigrants, and warmongers, and the usual chums asset stripping the place, well they all make out like bandits. It wasn’t fair.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Is anyone else watching this fucking car crash of a Panorama interview with Farage?

No, but do tell us more. I love a decent bit of awful.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

I've been trying to find reliable polling data and analysis for the UK election but I haven't had too much luck other than "the Tories are shit" and something, something NHS. Any recommendations?

politicalbetting.com used to be worth reading, even if it did have a bit of a Lib Dem bias.

There's Martin Baxter, for his sheer polling autism: https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/

Plus there's Rallings and Thrasher, who are the two professional psephologists who aren't Professor Sir John Curtice Of The University Of Strathclyde: https://www.electionscentre.co.uk/