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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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Don't people lie when asked questions by polling companies?
Sort of.

Part of the whole shy Tory thing of 1992 was supposedly that people told clipboarders what they thought they wanted to hear. It's supposed to be a lot less now, now that most polling is done online.
There apparently is about 2% of people though that just make things up for shits and giggles. I remember one of the polling companies was seriously suggesting having a question like "Do you believe President Obama is an elephant?" because of this, and weeding out anybody who said Yes.

I wasn't joking when I said I had a secret project - there's no secret anymore. AdBlue is urea solution - it can be fermented in a continuous process, much like alcohol. You can moonshine high-explosives, now - afaik, up until like, two days ago, you would end up on a watchlist. You no longer will - I found a way to circumvent all of the legislation.
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Walks at sunset are unrivaled in the UK. The sun setting over our rape fields really make you glad to be alive. It's not often you get to really appreciate rape, but our fair land and the sun are a great combination.

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I read it in Alan Partridge's voice, personally. It was a very Partridgian thing to say.
 
Cold hands.

Glowie hands would investigate... how to circumvent all chemical regulatory techniques?
You’re hard fedposting is really fucking retarded. Stop it and grow the fuck up.

Trying to score internet points being a scary dude will only earn you your door getting knocked off its hinges at 6am.
 
That's my biggest concern.

I wasn't joking when I said I had a secret project - there's no secret anymore. AdBlue is urea solution - it can be fermented in a continuous process, much like alcohol. You can moonshine high-explosives, now - afaik, up until like, two days ago, you would end up on a watchlist. You no longer will - I found a way to circumvent all of the legislation.

I'm not concerned about it, I can safely handle shit and I designed it in such a way that it doesn't cross the threshold for explosives.

But you know what does concern me? I developed it, in the mindset that if I die because of the shit in our country, I can leave that behind to make sure it doesn't happen to anyone else. I've done my part, without technically breaking the law (sodium nitrate is not illegal to produce, but it would be as soon as I added battery acid), but I can't tell anyone.

That's how the average citizen treats it. I genuinely developed something novel, and extremely useful - but because of how Pakis behave, now, all it takes is an accusation for me to get in trouble. Despite, obviously, caring about my country, a significant chunk of the country wouldn't give it a second thought.
I've kind of ignored your fed-lite posting but as you directly replied to me here, I'll say that on the off-chance you genuinely had ideas along these lines I don't think you'll damage The Machine with bombs and blown off fingers. We're a long way from some Spanish anarchist revolution. And if we're not and society really is that fragile, I don't know that one more madman in the ring would help. You could do more damage in a day by getting into the position to leak some corruption or block some dodgy council resolution, than any number of home made bangs you could manage to produce. Nitric acid wont change the civil service wasting £2m on some boondoggle project. No flashbang will alter the public's understanding of what an MP's role is.

I love chemistry - fascinating stuff - but were your posts not fed-bait, I would say to you explore other options. There are all sorts of ways they keep smart and honest people out of positions of influence. And almost none of them are literal doors you can blow the hinges off.
 
The latest drama is Rishi's aides and staffers apparently all putting bets on the election. Someone scraped the BetFair data -
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This is obviously only for BetFair, but there's a significant jump in bets being placed on a July election (which at the time was 25-1).

The day before the election was called (which is when the data currently cuts off) there was a sudden rush on betting on a July election. His PPS (and Tory candidate for Montgomeryshire and Glyndwr) is being investigated for placing a bet on the 19th, and likewise Rishi's personal protection officer is under investigation for putting a bet on that day. The Conservative director of campaigning is taking a leave of absence while under investigation alongside his wife, who's the Tory candidate for Bristol North West.

It's worth remembering that Rishi apparently caught the King unawares (he told the King during their regular meeting, rather than requesting to see him - when Boris tried to pull a similar trick of back me or sack me, she was mysteriously unavailable) and also caught the Cabinet unawares, as he called an emergency cabinet meeting and then revealed he'd already been to see the King. Nobody was expecting a snap election announcement the day before - so it seems this was very much just people close to Rishi.

I haven't watched Rishi's QuestionTime last night but he did get heavily grilled about it. Using insider knowledge in this way is cheating, and a criminal offence under Section 42 of the Gambling Act. The personal protection officer, who's a policeman and therefore a public servant, would also be guilty of Abuse of Public Office (although sadly, none of the politicians involved would be guilty of it). They can't help but stick their hands in the till one last time on the way out, can they?
 
Getting a wee whiff of a Brexit voot stank from this election, hope it gets to be way more than a whiff in the next two weeks
I don’t go on Twitter right now but I would always judge any election result being the exact opposite of what the right side of history people are predicting.

One fly in the ointment with that theory is the Owen Jones types defecting to the “progressive alliance” parties because Labour aren’t giving them attention anymore.

The troon stuff is up in the air too; a lot of women are secretly sick of it but who knows if they’ll sudden vote Tory/Reform/Women’s Party in protest. They’ll probably still vote Labour for likes and retweets though.

I’ve not seen them for a while, but most of my dads drinking buddies are frothing at the mouth about immigration and will almost certainly vote Reform.

What’s strange is how muted IRL discussion is about this. I’ve had nearly zero conversations about the elections and most my normie friends enjoy having political conversations with me to see what crackpot opinions I have.

I just think everyone is tired and sick the main parties don’t represent anyone anymore. Unless you have a media job in London then you’re totes in love with Kier Starmer.

There’s incredibly strange vibes about this election.
 
I don’t go on Twitter right now but I would always judge any election result being the exact opposite of what the right side of history people are predicting.

One fly in the ointment with that theory is the Owen Jones types defecting to the “progressive alliance” parties because Labour aren’t giving them attention anymore.

The troon stuff is up in the air too; a lot of women are secretly sick of it but who knows if they’ll sudden vote Tory/Reform/Women’s Party in protest. They’ll probably still vote Labour for likes and retweets though.

I’ve not seen them for a while, but most of my dads drinking buddies are frothing at the mouth about immigration and will almost certainly vote Reform.

What’s strange is how muted IRL discussion is about this. I’ve had nearly zero conversations about the elections and most my normie friends enjoy having political conversations with me to see what crackpot opinions I have.

I just think everyone is tired and sick the main parties don’t represent anyone anymore. Unless you have a media job in London then you’re totes in love with Kier Starmer.

There’s incredibly strange vibes about this election.
Staying off twitter except for amusement is good, twitter is not representative of anything. You see some retarded ass tweet with 100 quotes and 70,000 likes and the natural reaction is wow that's a lot of people, first off some decent proportion of those 70k are bots, and most of the rest are obsessed politico-autists who lean retardedly way left or retardedly way right

There's three ways to think of people not talking irl, one is they're afraid to, one is they're thunking hard and don't have an answer to the question yet, the third is they don't care. Usually the first is not so good, but it can be, the second is definitely good, the third is definitely bad
 
About 40% of the Tory vote will go Reform. The vast majority of the rest of the populace will vote Labour. The Lib Dem vote will remain shite, the SNP will collapse to about 15 seats or so. Wee Carla Denyer will get in for the Greens.
The Tories will rip themselves apart in a right wing purity spiral. Eventually someone who appears able to lead from the mainstream centre will arise, and they will be the new Tory messiah, and in about 10 years time they will become Prime Minister.
Farage will quit as an MP within 18 months.
 
The Tories will rip themselves apart in a right wing purity spiral. Eventually someone who appears able to lead from the mainstream centre will arise, and they will be the new Tory messiah, and in about 10 years time they will become Prime Minister.
Leading from the mainstream centre is how they got into this mess in the first place.

Farage will quit as an MP within 18 months.
No, he likes attention too much. Being a gobby backbencher is a great way to get on the news.
 
I've kind of ignored your fed-lite posting but as you directly replied to me here, I'll say that on the off-chance you genuinely had ideas along these lines I don't think you'll damage The Machine with bombs and blown off fingers.
Unless you have something like the IRA and a willingness to target every single traitor in power repeatedly and a way not to be caught by modern technology it's pointless trying. We saw what happened when that labour woman got killed by a nutjob. They made her a martyr for 5 minutes then put in a black woman to replace her and tories refused to fight it. It was a free diversity seat.
The troon stuff is up in the air too; a lot of women are secretly sick of it but who knows if they’ll sudden vote Tory/Reform/Women’s Party in protest. They’ll probably still vote Labour for likes and retweets though.
Troon stuff has never been popular in the UK with any crowd but the university students. It was shoe horned into UK politics because the journos want to be the international class and not some sped with an iPad. Troon support was one of the final things that killed the SNP's stranglehold on Scotland.

A big problem with modern UK politics is it is all American politics pushed down the road. There's a real lack of our culture in everything else days.
The Tories will rip themselves apart in a right wing purity spiral. Eventually someone who appears able to lead from the mainstream centre will arise, and they will be the new Tory messiah, and in about 10 years time they will become Prime Minister.
You need a thread if you think the Tories will do anything but push further left thinking they can replace labour by having more women, more darkies and more trannies. The Tories have been at the front of a lot of diversity bullshit and they gloat about it. The "mainstream center" doesn't exist. There isn't a center in British politics and hasn't been for decades. You're going to get progressive Neo cons VS Nog worshiping communists. And if either side promotes even the slightest whiff of non-American ideals they will be called an anti-semite by the Jewish lobbies and the BBC will run a smear campaign like they are for Reform now.

If the Tories had any sense of right wing the invasion from France would have ended over night. We have a military force and we have easy to defend borders. You send a few squads of armed men with ship and drone support to the crossing points and declare any one attempting to land will be shot. There would be an immediate end to the invasion and yet the Tories never did it. Labour won't do it. I doubt Reform will even do it. If you think this country has anything resembling a right wing political option you have to ask yourself why a country with quite right wing and conservative (not the party) ideals hasn't got a secure border and the country is plastered in homo garbage while the roads collapse. There isn't an option and it's kept that way because they know it would be extremely popular and replace the uniparty.
 
New Redfield & Wilton poll out:
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Labour 42% (-1) Reform 19% (+1) Conservative 18% (–) Liberal Democrat 11% (-1) Green 5% (–) SNP 3% (–) Other 1% (–). Based on the Financial Times modelling tool, that would represent a Labour majority of 165 seats, Lib Dem official opposition with 76 seats, Conservatives on 35 seats and one seat to Reform.
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Interestingly if you look at the Conservative 2019 voter intentions, there's a big spike in people switching from Conservative to Reform after Farage returned to lead Reform UK, but it didn't really touch the percentage swinging from Conservative to Labour.
No, he likes attention too much. Being a gobby backbencher is a great way to get on the news.
It'll be like when he was MEP, basically only popping up to make some inflammatory statement and not really participating otherwise.

As usual with Farage while I do think he believes some/a lot of what he says, I don't think he wants to win. He wants to have raised his profile again so he can continue getting on political talk shows and grifting. A lot of the opportunist Brexiteers (including Boris) were like the dog that caught the car - they wanted to lose so they could keep banging on about how Eurosceptic voices were being ignored, furthering their own careers, and they didn't think the British public would actually vote Leave (and I think what creeped it over the edge was that people were too used to constituency based FPTP where a party with 19% of the vote gets 1 seat while a party with 11% of the vote gets 76 seats). Farage has even acknowledged that if Remain had won 52% to Leave's 48%, he would have been agitating for a second referendum.

Regardless of what happens, even if he becomes an MP, Farage will be back stateside in August to work on the Trump campaign. Maybe he and Rishi can get the same flight after election day.
 
Interestingly if you look at the Conservative 2019 voter intentions, there's a big spike in people switching from Conservative to Reform after Farage returned to lead Reform UK, but it didn't really touch the percentage swinging from Conservative to Labour.
That's presumably "Red Wall" Northerners who switched to Conservative having felt betrayed by Labour, now reverting to Labour having forgotten how much Labour screwed them (and everyone else) over.
 
There’s incredibly strange vibes about this election.
That's presumably "Red Wall" Northerners who switched to Conservative having felt betrayed by Labour, now reverting to Labour having forgotten how much Labour screwed them (and everyone else) over.
I don't know how significant of a demographic this is but I know a few red-wall, old-school socialist, Corbynite boomers and they absolutely loathe Starmer. They see him as a smarmy red Tory snake who backstabbed the left of the party and constantly lies about his positions. I have no idea who they're actually going to vote for, I think many just won't vote at all.
 
Please don't make bombs, everyone
Trying to score internet points being a scary dude will only earn you your door getting knocked off its hinges at 6am.
See, underneath it all, you're still a faggot. I can see why you voted for Blair.

I was actually born after that. It's really telling you think that the only reason anyone would be so direct is that they want to be a "scary dude" - it's so that the police don't open fire on a crowd of protesters.

In reality - my worst-case scenario is an extremely painful death before I'm 30. The situation with the state has exceeded the point that it should have ended, and you're drastically underestimating how fucked everything is.

It's not even illegal. It's a circumvention of the creeping prohibition on nitrogen. It works on a small-scale for that exact purpose. This shit is why it gets difficult to even bother - it's really demoralising for a middle-aged mong to rattle about how clever you are, for doing nothing and achieving nothing except voting for Tony Blair.

I'm actually well within my rights as a UK native with the appropriate education, no criminal record, no links to any groups, to talk about my findings in my own field. This is the demoralising factor - despite coming out with a suspiciously advanced, detailed microbial synthesis of a specific ion, your first thought is "FED" - in truth, most people's grandparents handled this shit on a regular basis. It can be safely produced using centuries-old technology. Your grandmother probably handle it during the wars.

We're a long way from some Spanish anarchist revolution
Thanks, but it's not an Anarchist revolution. I should clarify, this is actually my field - specifically, I'm a Chemical Engineer. Not a good one, but that's down to my health. So, developing a process is literally my exact background. I "investigated" a process which can easily be upgraded and automated, if need be, to produce an as-of-yet legal precursor to Nitric Acid.

Despite being perfectly within my rights to develop such a process, I have to hide it because random retards genuinely trust the guys from paedophile island more than professionals. In the same way as the COVID Vaccines - "MRNA researcher said it was reckless, but the man who always lies said it was safe. I.. I don't know who to trust!"

It's a way to let someone else, who can handle that shit, actually manage it. It's not complex, and as you said - damn right, I'm not pissing about with explosives willy-nilly. The end product is, currently, NaNO3 (but I would change that to KNO3) - in significant quantities. On its own, NaNO3 is a drying agent. That's why it's fine to make and use. It became "reportable" and will likely become solidly restricted, later.

It's an inferior method, compared to the industrial practices. It's a "Plan B" method in-case the state, WEF, whoever, tries to further prohibit it. The farmer protests are also related to this problem - although, this wouldn't help them as much. Chemically, yes, but practically, they need several tons of it. There is a concerted effort to phase out nitrates and substitute urea or other, less reactive fertilisers.

Without going too much into the whole "Organic" shit, or "anti-pollution" measures - they are absolutely not for that purpose, even remotely. They have been replacing as much nitrate as possible with urea, for a long time, despite urea's objective inferiority and lower efficiency (and increased capacity to "pollute") - the UK could, easily, build the infrastructure for massive domestic production - it can be made while reducing CO2 emissions if it's done with a renewable feedstock - "Green Hydrogen" and whatnot. The use of electricity to produce the two feedstock gases - electrolysis and cryoseparation - then reacting the resultant ammonia with CO2. That's how it is done for a huge chunk of the world, like Russia - CO2 is actually a valuable commodity.

I love chemistry - fascinating stuff - but were your posts not fed-bait, I would say to you explore other options. There are all sorts of ways they keep smart and honest people out of positions of influence. And almost none of them are literal doors you can blow the hinges off.
Well, Sodium and Potassium Nitrate aren't really used directly in explosives. They're oxidisers - they can be used for that, just not well - they're generally safer to handle because they absorb moisture like nothing else. I went for sodium since it uses baking soda, but calcium carbonate (egg shells) is also an option. Potassium Nitrate (from hydroxide, found in wood ash) is used for black powder, but it's significantly safer than nitro.

It's one reason why the farmers have had so many protests. Nitrogen sources have been getting weaker and weaker, and harder to get, ostensibly because of "environmental pollution" - this is in staunch contrast to the increased availability of a significant nitrogen source, which is added to diesel to reduce NOx emissions.

The only difference is that urea has to decompose in soil, which takes time, and a lot more of it runs off into water. There is literally no logic to the regulation, whatsoever. The entire fear is that it causes algae blooms - since it's a fertiliser - when it enters the water system. Rather than say, take advantage of the extremely fertile waters and maybe, divert the course through some nice woodlands, they'd rather just starve everyone. Note, urea is worse for this.


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Tories have been slipping in weird, specific shit like this too, to farming regulations. AdBlue, as of right now, doesn't have any - but you can expect to see it added later. This is from agriculture. Urease is the enzyme in the bacterial fermentation process that I used - and it's very common. To "reduce pollution" the government wants to kill off the fertilising bacteria in the farmlands. This came into effect this year.

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I could go into way more detail, but there's a good reason for my hyperfixation on this exact process. There is absolutely something very fucking bad going on here, and it's most likely to prevent companies from making ammunition. It's there to enforce a complete, international monopoly on arms. Most of the world's food depends on fertiliser imports - Russia exports like, two-thirds of the nitrates in the world.

I'll say that on the off-chance you genuinely had ideas along these lines I don't think you'll damage The Machine with bombs and blown off fingers.
Well actually, my long-term goal was to do literally anything against the incoming "imposed famine" and "global arms embargo" via restriction of nitrogen. Rather than "gun control", the problem is "ammo control" - there was very few ways to acquire nitrates without access to a gigantic facility, and the Haber-Ostwald process. This method uses the same ammonia synthesis, but then jumps to Urea instead, and oxidises via bacterial fermentation with additional steps which usually occur in soil. It's objectively inferior, but it runs directly against what the clear intention of those restrictions are. It requires more materials, but it's a workaround.

That's the extent of it - there's a deliberate, sinister effort to make sure that only a very select few people can have guns, worldwide, via the prohibition of an entire chemical family. This may induce some kind of famine, so some may starve to death, but it's a price that Rishi Sunak is evidently willing to pay. It's not there to stop suicide bombers - I didn't talk about shit like sodium chlorate, which absolutely cannot be regulated, ever, because it's made from table salt. Cap-guns are perfectly legal, and they have so many options for smuggling and organised crime that there's no shortage of illegal munitions being smuggled into the country.

It's there to make sure that the Arms industry is unable to function, to surrender our entire national security to someone else - it's all in the fine print of the Paris Agreement. The goal is a complete monopoly on arms, brought to you by people who were regular visitors to paedophile island.

There is no other way except to become fully independent. Part of that is to make sure you can produce everything you need - including a means to defend yourself. If you can't defend yourself, you leave yourself open to callous abuse with no way to fight back.

Unless you have something like the IRA and a willingness to target every single traitor in power repeatedly and a way not to be caught by modern technology it's pointless trying. We saw what happened when that labour woman got killed by a nutjob. They made her a martyr for 5 minutes then put in a black woman to replace her and tories refused to fight it. It was a free diversity seat.
It's to fill in the missing link in a supply chain. All of the regulation focuses on one exact chemical, Nitric Acid, HNO3 - the common feature of almost all modern weaponry. Nitro-chemistry is pretty fucking dangerous. It's not for complete amateurs. I would not suggest anyone who isn't experienced, who doesn't have the appropriate equipment and qualifications, to even get close. I made this shit so someone who is, can.

It's the precursors which are targeted by this legislation. Those precursors are perfectly legal in most of the world, and I seriously have doubts in letting the exact same people who sold huge chunks of the NHS to foreigners, giving complete authority over the health of millions of Brits to random Indian men with shady credentials have a complete monopoly on everything with an NO3 ion. I have made sure they don't.

I have my own opinions on how it should be used, but in reality, all I have done is fill in a blank space. Hence, getting pissed off at the average Brit - without even talking about any specific motive or aggression in any way, the assumption is always in the negative. There's an animosity towards fellow citizens, a "Crabs-in-a-bucket" mentality, where they choose to believe an obvious lie because it "makes them feel clever"

The IRA is a great example - after the British government managed to kill a higher proportion of the civilians than the IRA, why in God's name should the state have complete authority over who gets to own guns?
 
I don't know how significant of a demographic this is but I know a few red-wall, old-school socialist, Corbynite boomers and they absolutely loathe Starmer. They see him as a smarmy red Tory snake who backstabbed the left of the party and constantly lies about his positions. I have no idea who they're actually going to vote for, I think many just won't vote at all.
There's nobody to vote for in my constituency. Labour have parachuted in some nog with a stupid name from London. Tories have parachuted in wish.com Rishi Sunak, not that I'd ever vote blue anyway. I really think both parties are underestimating how white and racist this town is.
For the smaller parties and indies, Libdem will never get my vote again after that coalition bullshit. Greens are retards. Reform is just another opportunity for Farage to scam retards. The two independents are a) the Reform manifesto with added pro-life nutjobbery, and b) a local businessman's continued efforts to turn the entire town into a free carpark for his businesses.

Just going to spoil my ballot.
 
No, he likes attention expenses and pension too much.
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I have no idea who they're actually going to vote for, I think many just won't vote at all.
This is the big unaddressed demo, and why I think the predictions of a labour landslide are still overly optimistic. Labour is not going to benefit as much from the Tories imploding as polls suggest, same way they didn't during the locals. A lot of voters are either going to go to other parties (lib dems in particular) or are just not going to participate. Caveats and conditions apply. Predictions are always wrong, especially about the future.
 
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