UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

EddyRooney · Jun 20, 2024

I know you have skin in the game so to speak here BStandard Poster, but do try to calm down, you come across as angry. Clearly this has hurt someone you care about and I feel sorry for you and them.
Just because I don't agree with everything you say ( some of it, I do agree ) doesn't mean you should launch into ad hominem attacks.
I disagree with you, attacking my intellect isn't going to convert me to your way of thinking. A lot of the points you make tell me that you don't really understand finance completely or how pensions are structured, purely by your almost comical misunderstanding of what I'm saying when you attempt to counter my arguments.
I don't really want to get into the reasons for the 2008 crash. I don't know about your experience in investment banking and would need to know to tailor my response.

AssignedEva · Jun 20, 2024

EddyRooney said:
With a defined benefit pension ( which in effect the state pension is ) - how much do you trust the provider ? Do you trust the government ?! If it is a defined benefit, I'd want to know what they're investing in to cover their liabilites, at the very least, but realistically a great deal more before I invested in the scheme.

Bog-standard Poster said:
It's a government pension you retard. You pay in tax, that automatically comes off of your wage, it goes into a pension. When you hit X years of age, you get money to keep you going. Are you obtuse, non-brit or just struggling to understand how a pension works?

You're both a bit off. Pensions are a contribution defined benefit. The money you "pay in" to the State Pension through National Insurance is not put in an account to pay you with in future, nor is it exactly put in a pension fund as an investment. Instead your National Insurance contributions go into a pool of funds that pay for the welfare state. The money you pay in today is being used to pay pensioners today, with the expectation that, when you do retire, the National Insurance contributions from workers of that day will pay your pension.

That's why the demographic shift is challenging, because if we've got an aging population then it'll be harder to cover the cost of pensions; less workers per pensioner - and about a third of our workforce is over 50.

ONS projections take it from around 1 pensioner per 3.5 workers today to about 1 pensioner per 2.5 workers in 2070. That would mean rather than 28% of a worker's National Insurance Contribution going to a pensioner, it'd be more like 40%. Given you'd still need to run all the rest of the welfare state and also things like the Triple Lock massively increasing state pension out of lockstep with wage growth and inflation, this would mean a much higher tax burden on workers purely to cover pensions - which is exactly why pension ages are getting increased.

When pensions were first introduced many people didn't live long enough to draw a pension, and those who did often only had a few years of drawing the pension before they died. Today the life expectancy from 65 in the UK is about 20 years on average, so that's a growing population with a much longer time drawing pensions and why pensions are equivalent to 4-5% of GDP today and are projected to be more like 10% of GDP (so at current rates, 20% of government spending) by 2070 if nothing is done.

3deadniggers · Jun 20, 2024

Overly Serious said:
One of the biggest hinderances to parties outside the main ones is the belief that because they can't get elected, voting for them is just wasted and splitting the votes to ill-effect. I imagine there are a lot of Conservative voters who think "I would vote Reform but I'd rather have Conservative than Labour".

But if Reform keep going the way they are then they're going to get past that. It's starting to look more like the Conservatives being the ones who are sabotaging Reform than the other way around.

I got a letter today saying a vote for reform is a vote for labour. Heavily conservative area and they can't even tell me what I'm supposed to vote for if I vote for them. It's literally "Don't vote for any one but us, it's voting for the enemy!" Which is a great way to tell me not to vote for you and tell you to royally fuck off when I find out I'm on your mailing list (and I did not sign up for it). Interestingly only the men in my family got this junk mail, the women did not.

On the pension thing. With all the bank shuffling and going out of business it's not uncommon for a stable and well fed pension to suddenly become costly. I've seen pensions go from earning a steady profit over time to start going down because the pension got bought up by a new company that uses a new management firm and they're billing you for all this extra management which makes you lose money over time. You shouldn't have to constantly monitor your pension to make sore some kike didn't buy up your local bank and decide to start skimming off the top. It's not reasonable and yet you have to watch it like a hawk for that exact reason

EddyRooney · Jun 20, 2024

Useful post AE - thanks. I have done what I usually do in the part of the post you quoted and assumed knowledge on the part of my reader. The point I'm making is that the government won't hold all that tax revenue as cash, it should invest it in something ( as local government does, if it isn't Labour run and broke ). In reality, it offsets the debt, as the rest of your post elaborates. The ponzi goes on......except it's not a ponzi of course, because the government runs it and we can trust them.......

Article on the government money merry-go-round

Shiverpeaks - the last paaragraph on the pension thing is pure gold. Fees absolutely erode returns over time. It is essential to monitor them and look out for their impact. It is very, very rare that a fund is performing so well that it justifies an extortionate fee.
I won't get into the whole active v. passive managed debate here ( and their associated fees ), it's down to the individual, but what you say is great advice for anyone with a private pension.

Tony Martin's Force Ghost · Jun 20, 2024

So as a Nurse Practitioner, who specialises in Diabetic care and bariatric, I got this.

First of yes, the NHS is crazy under-managed and in that allotment of managers roles like Sisters or Charge nurses are not listed as they are essentially managers by any other name. So the reason why I am practitioner and not a GP (they are pretty much the same) us the pay does not change and I have to do management. I can be pretty independent, I also do not need to do A+E because the pay sucks and there is a lack of focus. Academically you cannot progress in A+E because your role is to essentially be pain management and nothing more, also it is not as interesting as Critical Care and as you guys have surmised it's just constant old people. It's because clinics should be made just to handle the elderly creating more flow and cutting times astronomically. The problem is the diabetic clinics get shut down and they get triaged through creating more glut. I have proposed in the past that diabetic clinics in hospitals be managed by a few nurses as a practitioner has more experience usually than a doctor because they have to academically focus for 3 years in certain fields. The thing is you don't need specialised equipment either and just a nurse every day to get meds from pharmacy. NHS managers are treated like shit as they have to direct doctors, some of the most ego driven people out there and nurses, a strained workforce.

Once my doctorate is done I am out to the states because once I deal with the paperwork I can essentially do what I want and make a shit-ton.

So this will be of interest to you guys as the NHS sneakily did this to save money. They are erasing agency roles and centralising it though their bank scheme. This is great honestly as a lot of the Africans are greedy fucks and steal a ton of shifts but with Bank they limit you. Tbh on bank you make good money even being a student nurse doing HCA stuff, I used to get £200 a day shift and £280 a night shift. It saves a lot of money too as they pay about 3 x that to agencies and nursing students can get work inbetween placement and classes. The agency nurses atm online especially on TikTok are pissed, unironically the Reddit nurses are celebrating as the nursing Reddit is strangely based. They give off mumsnet vibes.

Morethanabitfoolish · Jun 20, 2024

Uncomfortable attending Labour hustings because your party will do nothing to stop the psychos within their ranks from threatening? Must mean you're lazy or cowardly.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/16/labour-peer-says-sorry-for-calling-rosie-duffield-too-frit-or-lazy-to-go-to-hustings

A Labour peer has apologised after accusing the party’s Canterbury candidate, Rosie Duffield, of being too “frit or lazy” to attend hustings.

Duffield, who is seeking re-election in Canterbury and has risen to prominence because of her views on sex and gender, said on Friday she would no longer attend hustings because of “constant trolling, spite and misinterpretation”.

Michael Cashman, a former EastEnders actor and Labour’s first openly gay MEP, replied to a social media post about Duffield’s decision saying: “Frit. Or lazy.”

His remarks were seized on by Kemi Badenoch, the equalities secretary, who said on X: “I can’t imagine what it’s like being Rosie in a party where her own colleagues continually attack her, just for standing up for women.

“This is now about more than women’s rights, but how a party manages internal disagreement. Instead of healthy debate, it’s intimidation and abuse. If this is what they do to their own, imagine what they will do to our country.”

Cashman apologised in a post on X on Sunday afternoon, saying: “I apologise unreservedly for a post that I put out regarding the Labour candidate for Canterbury. I fully understand any complaints that will be sent to the Labour party.”

Wes Streeting, the shadow health secretary, said Cashman’s comments were “extremely unfair”. He told Times Radio: “I strongly disagree with Michael. That is extremely unfair and I was very concerned Rosie’s not able to participate in hustings and is having to change the way she behaves because of abuse. That is wholly intolerable and unacceptable, as is the abuse Nigel Farage has had.”

He added: “I count Michael and Rosie as friends and this is exactly the kind of division I’ve been working really hard to try and work through and heal.”

Duffield said last week that she had made the “extremely difficult decision” to cancel her participation in local hustings because the “actions of a few fixated individuals” had affected her “sense of security and wellbeing”. She said she had had to “spend time and money on personal security”.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...field-who-felt-ostracised-due-to-gender-views
The row comes on the eight-year anniversary of Jo Cox’s murder. The Batley and Spen Labour MP was stabbed and shot by a far-right extremist in Birstall, West Yorkshire on 16 June 2016.

Duffield, who believes that gender self-identification threatens women’s rights to female-only spaces, has been a target of abuse because of her views. She did not attend the 2021 Labour party conference following online threats after a row over transgender rights.

Duffield has since claimed she has been left out in the cold by the Labour leadership over her views on trans rights. In what was perceived as a snub she was not invited to Starmer’s election campaign launch in Kent, where she was the only Labour MP elected in 2019.

The Labour party declined to comment.

CrispyLegs · Jun 20, 2024

Morethanabitfoolish said:
Uncomfortable attending Labour hustings because your party will do nothing to stop the psychos within their ranks from threatening? Must mean you're lazy or cowardly

The cunt had to be community noted on Twitter for his shitty apology

Morethanabitfoolish · Jun 20, 2024

CrispyLegs said:
The cunt had to be community noted on Twitter for his shitty apology

And as ever a large number of Labour MPs who like to claim they want to protect women are silent.

But that's not evil enough. Let's see something really evil.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd110nl7dppo

The Post Office has apologised after it published the names and addresses of 555 postmasters prosecuted during the Horizon scandal.
The company confirmed personal details had been shared in a document on its website and said it had referred itself to data watchdog the Information Commissioner’s Office.
One former sub-postmaster tweeted that the breach had caused "a great amount of upset, distress and anger" among colleagues.
In response, chief executive Nick Read apologised and said the data leak was "a truly terrible error".
It comes as witnesses continue to give evidence at an inquiry into the Horizon IT scandal, which saw hundreds of sub-postmasters prosecuted for theft between 1999 and 2015 due to incorrect information from accounting software.
The data breach on Wednesday was first reported by the Daily Mail, external and led to an angry response from former sub-postmasters.
Former sub-postmaster Christopher Head tweeted the text of a letter, external he had written to Mr Read and Post Office chair Nigel Railton.
He wrote: "As you can imagine this has caused a great amount of upset, distress and anger amongst those whose data is now within the public domain."
Many sub-postmasters who "hadn't shared details with their own families" and others who were "extremely traumatised by this whole scandal even today" had been hit by the breach, Mr Head wrote.
Responding, Mr Read said: "This is a truly terrible error and one for which at this stage I can only apologise."
The Post Office is "reviewing with urgency the right follow-up actions to take" for those people who have been affected by the breach, he added, and how to correct the organisation's processes.

One former sub-postmaster told the Daily Mail she was “incandescent”. Wendy Buffrey said that the action could "destroy lives" because criminals could now target sub-postmasters who had received compensation.
Ron Warmington, the forensic investigator whose firm Second Sight was brought in to probe the Horizon system in 2013, told the Mail it was “an extraordinary breach” of confidentiality and “another example of Post Office incompetence”.
The leaked document contained the names of 555 former subpostmasters who sued the Post Office in 2017.
In 2019, the firm agreed to pay them £58m in compensation, but much of the money went on legal fees.
In a statement the Post Office said the document had been removed from its website.
It said: “We are investigating as an urgent priority how it came to be published. We are in the process of notifying the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) of the incident, in line with our regulatory requirements.”

"Oh, did we post the personal details of everyone currently suing us because we framed them as criminals rather than admit our shitty IT system was wrong? Ooopsey"

Doctor Love · Jun 20, 2024

Chaotic Pizzaparty said:
Once my doctorate is done I am out to the states because once I deal with the paperwork I can essentially do what I want and make a shit-ton.

I made a post in another thread - how many young, white, mainly female patients have had issues with getting diagnoses in your experience?

There's a massive disparity between the expected values and real values, for T1DM but I'm not sure if that's reflected in reality.

Amin Yasister · Jun 20, 2024

Don't people lie when asked questions by polling companies?

COMMI3 MARK · Jun 20, 2024

Amin Yasister said:
Don't people lie when asked questions by polling companies?

Every election of my adult life the Tories have got more votes on the day than the polls suggested they would.

3deadniggers · Jun 20, 2024

Amin Yasister said:
Don't people lie when asked questions by polling companies?

Have you ever known someone who wants to talk to a clipboard holder in the street? I haven't.

Any one who says "I trained in the UK and now I'm moving abroad" is a spiritual Jew. You can't fix the problems by running to some where else. Either you invest in your country and your people or you STFU about all the problems because you're more interested in your bank account than improving the situation. Other systems are just as fucked as ours but in slightly different ways. Any where you run will be as bad and will get worse because everyone runs and never invests in alternatives.

FedPostalService · Jun 20, 2024

Do I go full retard and vote Reform for shits and giggles?

I turned into a shy Tory as I got older but they had a zero chance in the best of days in my constituency but at least this could be part of a protest vote that finally get the Conservatives to stop being ponces that are desperate to be liked and look out for our country rather than sucking WEF cock.

I know I’m retarded for thinking this but it’s what’s keeping me going at the moment.

3deadniggers · Jun 20, 2024

FedPostalService said:
I turned into a shy Tory as I got older but they had a zero chance in the best of days in my constituency but at least this could be part of a protest vote that finally get the Conservatives to stop being ponces that are desperate to be liked and look out for our country rather than sucking WEF cock.

Nothing you can do short of putting them all in a wood chipper will change how the Tories act. They are who they are and you have to accept that. Reform has a chance of winning if all the people who want to vote for them do. The problem is so many are like yourself where you won't because 'labour might win'. But labours going to win any way so your only hope is to vote reform and hope enough other people do to move the overton window a little.

Broadside · Jun 20, 2024

FedPostalService said:
Do I go full retard and vote Reform for shits and giggles?

I turned into a shy Tory as I got older but they had a zero chance in the best of days in my constituency but at least this could be part of a protest vote that finally get the Conservatives to stop being ponces that are desperate to be liked and look out for our country rather than sucking WEF cock.

I know I’m retarded for thinking this but it’s what’s keeping me going at the moment.

All my British relatives, even the normies liberals, are suddenly voting Reform. I think you guys may be in for a bit of a surprise with this election

FedPostalService · Jun 20, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Nothing you can do short of putting them all in a wood chipper will change how the Tories act. They are who they are and you have to accept that. Reform has a chance of winning if all the people who want to vote for them do. The problem is so many are like yourself where you won't because 'labour might win'. But labours going to win any way so your only hope is to vote reform and hope enough other people do to move the overton window a little.

I just feel the Tory’s will do want the Corbyn mongs did and think “we lost because we didn’t move far enough to the left.”

Lower taxes and lower immigration along with fuck trannies and jannies would have had the Tories storm this election if they screamed that from the top of their lungs.

Instead we just get them creeping around pretending not to be Tories with out any sort of grand message.

It’s insane they were able to trounce Labour with a fucking clownshoe that is Boris leading them and just utterly collapse now the adults have taken over.

I’m just tired, fellow bongs

3deadniggers · Jun 20, 2024

FedPostalService said:
It’s insane they were able to trounce Labour with a fucking clownshoe that is Boris leading them and just utterly collapse now the adults have taken over.

I’m just tired, fellow bongs

How old are you? This is the same political cycle we've had since our grandparents were kids. The two party system swings back and forth in the same exact way. Huge land slide victory because the other party fucked up everything. New party fucks up everything in exactly the same way, so they vote in the old party to fuck everything up again. British politics is never about solving problems or improving the situation. It's about petty arguments on BBC parliament then going out for a pint afterwards. Reform is the closest we've come to breaking the 2 party system and even that's just Farage being the same sort of tosser but with a slightly less suicidal approach to things.

FedPostalService · Jun 20, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
How old are you? This is the same political cycle we've had since our grandparents were kids. The two party system swings back and forth in the same exact way. Huge land slide victory because the other party fucked up everything. New party fucks up everything in exactly the same way, so they vote in the old party to fuck everything up again. British politics is never about solving problems or improving the situation. It's about petty arguments on BBC parliament then going out for a pint afterwards. Reform is the closest we've come to breaking the 2 party system and even that's just Farage being the same sort of tosser but with a slightly less suicidal approach to things.

Old enough to have voted for Tony Blair

3deadniggers · Jun 20, 2024

FedPostalService said:
Old enough to have voted for Tony Blair

Explains the faggot avatar.. "I'm tired of how bad things have got since I helped make it this way"

FedPostalService · Jun 20, 2024

Shiverpeaks said:
Explains the faggot avatar.. "I'm tired of how bad things have got since I helped make it this way"

I was young, dumb, and drifted right with age.

I was brought up completely surrounded by Tory derangement syndrome by people who despised Thatcher for making them affluent.

Sad. Many such cases.

UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

EddyRooney

AssignedEva

I throw the quesadilla at the wall.

3deadniggers

EddyRooney

Tony Martin's Force Ghost

I killed a gypo!

Morethanabitfoolish

Sick of politics, time to join the anime posters.

CrispyLegs

Red raw stump

Morethanabitfoolish

Sick of politics, time to join the anime posters.

Doctor Love

Amin Yasister

COMMI3 MARK

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FedPostalService

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Broadside

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