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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[3deadniggers]

Pakis don't need to inbreed to be deformed freaks.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

There's a dispatches documentary on the inbreeding and how fucked up it all is

Sickening stuff. Also one of those things I bet almost no normies know about. Ask someone "where in the country is inbreeding a big thing" and they'd probably say Norfolk, not knowing that it's literally the norm in Bradford.

 

[Coelacanth]

Ask someone "where in the country is inbreeding a big thing" and they'd probably say Norfolk, not knowing that it's literally the norm in Bradford.

When was this ever a thing in Norfolk? I get that the east is literally a bunch of nothing and farmers but were people there ever as hideously ugly as Bongers usually are now to the point everyone just assumes they're all inbred?

 

[3deadniggers]

When was this ever a thing in Norfolk? I get that the east is literally a bunch of nothing and farmers but were people there ever as hideously ugly as Bongers usually are now to the point everyone just assumes they're all inbred?

Lots of rural communities are 'inbred' but really aren't. A few hundred people will all be related to each other through cousins but the gene pool is still big enough not to cause problems. To outsiders it looks like inbreeding but it's a healthy local community who are all interwoven by blood.

 

[Judge Dredd]

are there two separate parties with such similar names?

I hate this obsession with naming parties/movements some variant of "lib". The liberals, the libertarians, the capital L libertarians, liberal democrats, and even Sargons larp party was called liberalists. Just call it the skateboarding party or something because I'm more informed than a typical normie, and even I don't know the difference.

Who's voting labour?

I'm not voting, but I live is a place that has been labour since they first existed. Even though people hate them, they use the excuse that their dad voted labour, their grandad voted labour, their great grandad voted labour, and so on.


As for the general blackpill social collapse stuff. I said my piece in the birthrate decline thread. But the short version is, at it's core, birthrate decline is common during economic downturns, and that has been true here. The difference is it didn't bounce back. We can argue why. From we're still in an economic crash since 2008 where house prices are being propped up via financial bullshittery, to women blaming men for playing vidya games and not being 8 foot tall with a 7 figure salary. Discussing it, while fun, is also largely pointless because even discussing the potential causes and cures makes normies and boomers uncomfortable, so are verboten. Getting a political party to run on a possible platform of that is a non-starter.

For what it's worth. My take is two fold. First is to completely gut government programs. Those 200 grand a year diversity consultant jobs at the NHS. Almost the entire BBC. High wages for politicians. All of it should be torn down to get the tax as low as possible while keeping the services people want. The second is more complected. It would include things like banning people under 18 from the internet (and not really enforced), and changing how divorce works.

 

[3deadniggers]

Getting a political party to run on a possible platform of that is a non-starter.

A party running on "Fuck niggers, fuck pakis, fuck fags and FUCK THE BBC!" would get an incredible amount of support. It's taboo to say these things but the average person agrees with most of this thread but has no option to speak out. The reform party are getting constant hit pieces done on them but they're still the most opposition we've seen in a long time. It made me laugh when the BBC cried one of the MPs was in a group with a meme saying Hitler founded Israel as if that was a huge problem. A real opposition that pulled no punches would get votes based on everyone voting against who they hate, so the hate party hating everyone else would become the defacto vote for many. It's just a matter of avoiding lawsuits shutting you down.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I don't believe what you said about WASPIs is true. They were warned and they should thank their feminist sisters for their "plight"

Many of them were not warned at all, they only found out when they went to cash their pensions. The government excuse was "we sent a letter", which was bullshit for so many that they succesfully launched legal action against the government. Unfortunately, the government investigated itself and found that it had done nothing wrong, so no compensation for the women.

Above all else, we all know what retirement is and it is up to the individual to make plans accordingly. What is it with people that they are so pathetic that they have to rely on the state for everything ?

Yeah, we do, just like they did. Plan all you want, but when you're told of a date that you will retire, only to have the rug pulled by seven years, it kind of screws your plans up.

I'm sick of people bleating about how unfair everything is.

I'm all for people complaining about unfair things being unfair, like being lied to right up until the last few months, at best.

There is no way ( as you allude to later ) that I think I will receive a pension from the state, despite having paid in a small fortune over many decades by the time I hit 67 ( 68...69....70......75+ projections for retirment age go up all the time for a myriad of reasons ).

You're right, you wont, because the pension age has gone up. We know not to rely on private pensions because so many went "aaaaand it's gone" during 2008. Pension age changes are very rare and hopefully someone can correct me as to when the last change was pre-2019. Since then, both mens and womens pension ages have changed. That's great for us, as we can see 10, 20, 30 years into the future and plan accordingly.
Again, you can't plan shit when you're assured nothing will change, only for everything to change at the last minute.

Imagine you organise three pensions of varying amounts ready to be covered when you get to 75. Then the gov says "it's illegal not to work until you're 80, unless you pay 90% tax on your pension", and they tell you this when you're 74. What planning can you do? That's what happened to these women, and people like you are saying "don't complain, you saw it coming", then they set plans in motion 40 years ago. It would be like being told, when you;re 74 "taxes go up all the time, why didn't you plan for this?"

 

[tehpope]

Is the UK a failed nation? Is Moon full of hot air?

 

[Judge Dredd]

A party running on "Fuck niggers, fuck pakis, fuck fags and FUCK THE BBC!" would get an incredible amount of support.

Correct, but try getting a party to run on "fuck house prices, fuck the pension ponzi scheme, and fuck the divorce courts." and people suddenly get nervous.

 

[Morrowind: GOTY Edition]

Labour 35%
Reform 24%
Conservatives 15%
Liberal Democrats 12%
Greens 8%
SNP 3%

PeoplePolling/GBN Jun 18th
Sample: 1,228 British adults

LAB: 347 seats (+144)
REF: 187 seats (+187)
LDM: 53 seats (+42)
SNP: 35 seats (-13)
GRN: 4 seats (+3)
CON: 0 seat (-365)
Labour Majority Government



Bro holy shit. Two party system incoming.

 

[AssignedEva]

PeoplePolling/GBN Jun 18th
Sample: 1,228 British adults

I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll from GB News, given Nigel Farage has a TV show on GB News

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll from GB News, given Nigel Farage has a TV show on GB News

That's not how it works.

Polling companies make most of their money from market research, the political stuff is a sideline to increase visibility. If they made up numbers they'd lose business in the long run.

 

[AssignedEva]

That's not how it works.

Polling companies make most of their money from market research, the political stuff is a sideline to increase visibility. If they made up numbers they'd lose business in the long run.

PeoplePolling is hosted on "matthewjgoodwin.org", so it's run by Matthew Goodwin - the anti-wokism guy who's frequently on GB News. If we look them up on Companies House,

PeoplePolling has 1 employee, Matthew Goodwin. It's not a real polling company, it's something Matthew Goodwin and GB News use to lend their talking points more credibility.

 

[3deadniggers]

We know not to rely on private pensions because so many went "aaaaand it's gone" during 2008.

Private pensions are gambling on the stock market. When the recent crypto kid's company collapsed it showed how trust worthy that industry is.

Labour 35%
Reform 24%
Conservatives 15%
Liberal Democrats 12%
Greens 8%
SNP 3%

PeoplePolling/GBN Jun 18th
Sample: 1,228 British adults

LAB: 347 seats (+144)
REF: 187 seats (+187)
LDM: 53 seats (+42)
SNP: 35 seats (-13)
GRN: 4 seats (+3)
CON: 0 seat (-365)
Labour Majority Government

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Bro holy shit. Two party system incoming.

I'd like to know who these 2 parties are. All I see is a bunch of wankers.

 

[Rusty Metal Skull Gun]

PeoplePolling is hosted on "matthewjgoodwin.org", so it's run by Matthew Goodwin - the anti-wokism guy who's frequently on GB News. If we look them up on Companies House,
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PeoplePolling has 1 employee, Matthew Goodwin. It's not a real polling company, it's something Matthew Goodwin and GB News use to lend their talking points more credibility.

That may be, but it's a part of the British Polling Council, which was founded to stamp out such piss-taking.

That said, I think it's an outlier - the Reform figure for C2s is very different from C1s and DEs, when you'd expect it to be halfway between them.

 

[AssignedEva]

That may be, but it's a part of the British Polling Council, which was founded to stamp out such piss-taking.

BPC just requires members to publish polling tables and the questions asked in the order they were asked, they don't really do anything more than that. The methodology given for this survey is:

Fieldwork Period: June 18, 2024
Sampling Method: Online
Population Sampled: All adults (18+) in Great Britain
Sample Size: 1,228
Data Collection: The data is acquired from a panel provider offering participants the chance to win money. The sampling relies on an online quota approach. Specifically, participants are sampled to meet Office of National Statistics quotas for gender, age, region, socio-economic group, vote in the 2019 general election, and vote in the 2016 Brexit referendum. No criteria are used to over- or undersample respondents. To ensure the polling is representative of the target population, we use official and reliable data sources to match the sample to demographic population targets.
Weighting: The sample has been weighted to be representative of the population on the following variables: gender, age, socio-economic group, region, vote in the 2019 General Elections and 2016 Brexit referendum vote.

The actual figures come after stripping out anyone 5/10 or lower on "am likely to vote" and those who do not have a clear voting preference, which actually reduces the unweighted sample down to 751 respondents who accessed a paid polling website on one day. It's not broken down by constituency so we've just got London: 99, Midlands/Wales: 147, North: 184, Rest of South: 236, Scotland: 65 (this adds up to 750, so there's one person unaccounted for).

Maybe PeoplePolling has managed to capture something other polls have not, but I think given it's just Matthew Goodwin flubbing around with sampling bias and dodgy methodology the simplest answer is that this is a stacked deck to feed a narrative.

 

[EddyRooney]

Many of them were not warned at all, they only found out when they went to cash their pensions. The government excuse was "we sent a letter", which was bullshit for so many that they succesfully launched legal action against the government. Unfortunately, the government investigated itself and found that it had done nothing wrong, so no compensation for the women.

So they didn't monitor their own pensions, assumed everything was okay and put their faith in the government. If you don't review your pension at least every 6 months ( I'm talking online, so it takes about half an hour ) - you're a tard.

Yeah, we do, just like they did. Plan all you want, but when you're told of a date that you will retire, only to have the rug pulled by seven years, it kind of screws your plans up.

Who is telling you "a date that you will retire" ? Why do you believe them ?! You should have your own assets, know what they're worth and know any risks associated with their valuation ( the value of your holdings can go down as well as up ). From knowing how much you're worth, you then know how much you can get from an annuity or drawdown.

I'm all for people complaining about unfair things being unfair, like being lied to right up until the last few months, at best.

I'm all for people taking responsibility for themselves and not being naive idiots that believe what other people tell them. With a defined benefit pension ( which in effect the state pension is ) - how much do you trust the provider ? Do you trust the government ?! If it is a defined benefit, I'd want to know what they're investing in to cover their liabilites, at the very least, but realistically a great deal more before I invested in the scheme. As I don't know enough information about the government scheme, I don't trust it to ever pay out for me - thus as outlined earlier I expect nothing on retirement and have planned accordingly. I view my government pension contributions as part of the pot that funds the myriad of insidious little agendas that are currently destroying my culture and country. And I hate them for it.
Of course I believe in people's right to protest. However too many people nowadays are protesting about situations that could have been avoided with some individual responsibility.

You're right, you wont, because the pension age has gone up. We know not to rely on private pensions because so many went "aaaaand it's gone" during 2008.

Nice SP reference. Why is it gone ? Did these people not know what they were investing in ?! I don't want to be mean, because I appreciate finance isn't for everyone, but why on earth would you invest in a private pension if you didn't know what it was invested in and / or you thought the asset manager was untrustworthy ? That's madness !
Simple rule - if you don't understand the product, don't invest in it.

Again, you can't plan shit when you're assured nothing will change, only for everything to change at the last minute.

It boils down to trust. I don't trust the government. I have made arrangements for three different revenue streams when I'm older. Why would anyone put all their eggs in one basket ? Especially one that is run by an untrustworthy third party ? Have alternative plans, diversify your investments ( ideally in things that aren't correlated or connected ) - then if one thing goes down, you have alternatives to survive on.

As I said earlier, Otterly woke me up to the fact that these women are from a different generation and have a different mindset to me. Their generation trusted the government and believed what "experts" told them. In that respect they have my deepest sympathies. Do I think they should be helped and much higher up the list of priorities - yes. But I still struggle with the idea that I should pick up the slack as a tax payer ( the governement has no money, it will be my money and everybody else that pays tax who foots any potential bill here ).

Prediction for the future - the next great scandal will be interest only mortgages. This will be a similar story of woe - people who didn't understand the product bleating when whatever ( if any at all ) investment they made doesn't cover the cost of the original loan and they get repossessed or forced to cover the short fall. "Miss selling" scandal incoming !

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Prediction for the future - the next great scandal will be interest only mortgages. This will be a similar story of woe - people who didn't understand the product bleating when whatever ( if any at all ) investment they made doesn't cover the cost of the original loan and they get repossessed or forced to cover the short fall. "Miss selling" scandal incoming !

Way ahead of you

https://nitter.poast.org/JibbaJabb/status/1800611043883811094#m

Exactly what you describe: Woman gets interest-only mortgage and doesn't pay the amount owed by the end date. Calls up LBC to demand to know "what the government is going to do about this".

I'm sympathetic to the fact that house prices are scandalously high and everything is unaffordable at the moment, but the answer always seems to be for the government to give everyone free money to patch it over rather than fix the underlying supply-demand/inflation problem.

>Takes out loan and doesn't pay it back
>"Fuck my life man, all I need is a tiny bit of help, the stingy government RATS won't give me a tiny amount of money. Just a measly amount of help and I'd be fine, fuck my life."

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

So they didn't monitor their own pensions, assumed everything was okay and put their faith in the government. If you don't review your pension at least every 6 months ( I'm talking online, so it takes about half an hour ) - you're a tard.

You say this, then contradict yourself father down the line. These women paid their taxes, those taxes went into a pension. It worked well for decades, until it ended, without warning, without hindsight to look to. There was no canary down the mine.

Who is telling you "a date that you will retire" ? Why do you believe them ?! You should have your own assets, know what they're worth and know any risks associated with their valuation ( the value of your holdings can go down as well as up ). From knowing how much you're worth, you then know how much you can get from an annuity or drawdown.

It's a government pension you retard. You pay in tax, that automatically comes off of your wage, it goes into a pension. When you hit X years of age, you get money to keep you going. Are you obtuse, non-brit or just struggling to understand how a pension works?

I'm all for people taking responsibility for themselves and not being naive idiots that believe what other people tell them.

You're showing your arse here will trying to be holier-than-thou. Chadding on naive idiots is not what happened here and the side you're taking is that of "daddy government, fuck me harder and take my money"

Simple rule - if you don't understand the product, don't invest in it.

Which is great for private pensions. The state pension isn't invested by individuals.

It boils down to trust. I don't trust the government. I have made arrangements for three different revenue streams when I'm older.

Great for you. Please tell me about when "You're older" and these fool-proof plans you have that will, without doubt, without change, secure you a pension in old age. Your revenue streams could go to shit, the market could change, be banned, be taxed to high heaven. You have no idea what could happen in the future. All you can do is hope that these revenue streams continue as they have for decades. Just like the women who have had their pensions robbed did.

But I still struggle with the idea that I should pick up the slack as a tax payer ( the governement has no money, it will be my money and everybody else that pays tax who foots any potential bill here ).

That money was already paid to the government. The government spent it and are now robbing you and I three-fold. Once to pay for money they spent, twice to pay for our 'pensions' and thrice to give handouts to non-natives. You come across as mad at the people who have been robbed, not at those who have robbed them.

This will be a similar story of woe - people who didn't understand the product bleating when whatever ( if any at all ) investment they made doesn't cover the cost of the original loan and they get repossessed or forced to cover the short fall. "Miss selling" scandal incoming !

How old are you? Genuine question. This has already happened with PPI and major changes with the banks, mortgages and the banning of 100+% mortgages. Not to mention that was the (official) reason for the 2008 crash.

 

[Overly Serious]

One of the biggest hinderances to parties outside the main ones is the belief that because they can't get elected, voting for them is just wasted and splitting the votes to ill-effect. I imagine there are a lot of Conservative voters who think "I would vote Reform but I'd rather have Conservative than Labour".

But if Reform keep going the way they are then they're going to get past that. It's starting to look more like the Conservatives being the ones who are sabotaging Reform than the other way around.