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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Coelacanth]

Reform deselects incredibly based old man with killer car because of election interference by parasitic NGO Hope Not Hate.

I'm guessing most of the candidates being purged are just ordinary people who're saying what the country actually feels about the state of things. Going through the list of the ones in my general area that haven't been purged doesn't really tell me anything about their policies or what they intend to do to help fix our area. It doesn't bode well at all.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I'm guessing most of the candidates being purged are just ordinary people who're saying what the country actually feels about the state of things. Going through the list of the ones in my general area that haven't been purged doesn't really tell me anything about their policies or what they intend to do to help fix our area. It doesn't bode well at all.

They're a meme party. The entire thing is an exercise in publicity to draw attention, rather than a coherent effort to present an alternative to the current parties, without any sort of principle behind it other than generating big numbers for headlines. This is what happens to everything Farage touches. It's how he killed UKIP, by having them stand candidates in as many wards as possible, without any vetting, just so he could point at numbers. They ended up as a party of loons and cranks, run by morons, presided over by a gurning, self-righteous arse, with no platform and a manifesto of platitudes. Farage didn't care as long as it got him attention. He doesn't do policy; he just does speeches.

 

[GratsTheat783]

Reform deselects incredibly based old man with killer car because of election interference by parasitic NGO Hope Not Hate. Channel 4 interviews him about his Facebook posts:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=usV9RhxZhVs

My parents fell for the Reform Meme unfortunately. Are you guys planning on voting or not and if so then for who?

I had a thought about looking for the most extreme party out there, either left or right wing and voting for it. My reasoning goes that if they get a sudden uptick in voters, even if they'd never win, the main parties might panic at seeing such an extreme party gaining ground. Then, they might start trying to make good changes to appeal more to people or they might ban those parties, hopefully getting a lot of backlash for it and resulting more people becoming interested in parties outside the main ones. Most likely though, they just wouldn't care and continue unimpeded. Is this a good idea?

 

[teriyakiburns]

My parents fell for the Reform Meme unfortunately. Are you guys planning on voting or not and if so then for who?

Sdp, but they don't seem to be standing a candidate in my area, so I'll be voting Tory even though I hate their guts. Anything to narrow l Labour's margin. It's a safe seat for them, so all I can do is make their life marginally less secure.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

My parents fell for the Reform Meme unfortunately. Are you guys planning on voting or not and if so then for who?

I had a thought about looking for the most extreme party out there, either left or right wing and voting for it. My reasoning goes that if they get a sudden uptick in voters, even if they'd never win, the main parties might panic at seeing such an extreme party gaining ground. Then, they might start trying to make good changes to appeal more to people or they might ban those parties, hopefully getting a lot of backlash for it and resulting more people becoming interested in parties outside the main ones. Most likely though, they just wouldn't care and continue unimpeded. Is this a good idea?

It’s always a good idea especially if your area is clearly one of the main parties so voting for the other main party will do nothing

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

I'll be voting Tory even though I hate their guts. Anything to narrow l Labour's margin.

If there's no party on the ballot that represents you and it's a safe seat, I'd say you're better spoiling your ballot. It's still a de facto vote against the incumbent and it avoids putting a mark on the record to say "I'm happy with the two and a half million people the Tories brought over in the last two years and want to see it continue."
You also get the satisfaction of writing whatever you want on an anonymous piece of paper that someone else is legally required to read.

 

[AssignedEva]

Stephen Flynn, he did better than I thought he would, mainly because no one took hits of the shitshow SNP has had in the past year which let him get off easy

He was doing alright but he lost it when he started yelling that the wind and the waves belongs to Scotland and that Great British Energy should be Scottish Energy. Otherwise fully agree with your post.

The Tories are once again sperging about the £2k attack line. I assume this is because Rishi's pre-recorded interview is going to air on Wednesday, and he'll probably have been banging on about it then (and will also stir up the D-Day resentment again right as people start getting their postal ballots).

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Is there an accelerationist party I can vote for? This slow burn is getting tiring and anyone pretending to fight against the tide is just delaying the inevitable.

 

[Moja Zemlja]

Are you guys planning on voting or not and if so then for who?

Through the process of elimination Worker's Party. I'm not voting for any of the main parties, Reform is compromised, and the Indenpendent standing only gives a shit about the half the constituency which I don't live in.

 

[AssignedEva]

Is there an accelerationist party I can vote for? This slow burn is getting tiring and anyone pretending to fight against the tide is just delaying the inevitable.

The accelerationist parties most likely to get seats are Reform and Greens. Reform are going to be nutters because, as observed, Farage is more keen on numbers over competent candidates. However they'll be loud nutters who'll be invited onto GB News all the time if the Tories collapse.
The Greens have some pretty extreme policies (or at least did in the last election, their new manifesto isn't out) like banning fossil fuels, banning all single use plastic, scrapping our nuclear deterrent, UBI etc etc
Both parties have said they oppose FPTP and want proportional representation, so if their voices + Lib Dems get amplified, it could actually make some movement towards getting in alternative voting. If the Tories weren't in official opposition we might also dodge the attack ads of the last alternative vote referendum (which boiled down to "why should we spend money on electoral reform when we could spend money on babies"). Under a PR system you're less likely to get majority governments and instead have coalitions like in much of the continent; this comes with its own drawbacks but does at least help break up a defacto two party system.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

Through the process of elimination Worker's Party

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Is there an accelerationist party I can vote for?

AFAICT they're the sectarian Muslim vote in all but name.

The Greens have some pretty extreme policies (or at least did in the last election, their new manifesto isn't out) like banning fossil fuels, banning all single use plastic, scrapping our nuclear deterrent, UBI etc etc

They also have the complete, literal abolition of borders as an aspirational policy point
https://migration.greenparty.org.uk/migration-policy/ MG100

 

[CrispyLegs]

It’s not new news but I think only people in this thread will care

It’s 10 years to the day since the death of Rik Mayall

 

[Eekum Bokum]

It’s not new news but I think only people in this thread will care

It’s 10 years to the day since the death of Rik Mayall

World went to complete shit after he died.

 

[Coelacanth]

Are you guys planning on voting or not and if so then for who?

I have thought about it long and hard. After seeing all the slapfights, autistic screeching and general lack of addressing the real issues plaguing our country, I have come to the conclusion that voting for any party at all is going to do nothing. There is only one way we're going to fix the UK and that is if the people of the country get up off their backsides and remind those in charge who they're serving by force. But of course they won't - Bongers have literally had their sense of defending their own lands gaslit out of them. They'll shrink away from the thought of touching something like a Victorinox knife, but will then happily go grab a steak knife to cut up some potatoes as part of dinner later on that night. The solution is obvious but so far nobody except maybe the farmers are prepared to take it.

So instead I'm voting for myself by becoming as independent from the system as possible. I'm planning a way out with my parents in case things get too dangerous to live here anymore. It's all we can do now.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

It’s not new news but I think only people in this thread will care

It’s 10 years to the day since the death of Rik Mayall

One by one was a warning.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The accelerationist parties most likely to get seats are Reform and Greens. Reform are going to be nutters because, as observed, Farage is more keen on numbers over competent candidates. However they'll be loud nutters who'll be invited onto GB News all the time if the Tories collapse.
The Greens have some pretty extreme policies (or at least did in the last election, their new manifesto isn't out) like banning fossil fuels, banning all single use plastic, scrapping our nuclear deterrent, UBI etc etc
Both parties have said they oppose FPTP and want proportional representation, so if their voices + Lib Dems get amplified, it could actually make some movement towards getting in alternative voting. If the Tories weren't in official opposition we might also dodge the attack ads of the last alternative vote referendum (which boiled down to "why should we spend money on electoral reform when we could spend money on babies"). Under a PR system you're less likely to get majority governments and instead have coalitions like in much of the continent; this comes with its own drawbacks but does at least help break up a defacto two party system.

I don't think reform will do anything other than talk big about migrants, without doing anything about them. Maybe they will open the door to some parties that have the balls to start mass deportation, which needs to happen, regardless of what some lefty, city-dwelling troglodite faggot says.

AFAICT they're the sectarian Muslim vote in all but name.

That's the wrong type of accelerant, although, forced sharia law, banning of pork and alcohol may be enough to wake people up, probably not though. Headlines of "Here's why throwing gays off of buildings is a good thing" and "Burka fashion, the fashion you NEED at friday prayers" will convince the normies that Islam was right about everything.

It’s not new news but I think only people in this thread will care

It’s 10 years to the day since the death of Rik Mayall

This is and Sean Lock dying really made the world a worse place. Leslie Nielson was another, but dude was old. Sean and Rik still had decades of comedy in them.

Rik Mayall dies, while Rob Brydon and James Corden live. What a cruel and unjust world.

 

[AssignedEva]

I don't think reform will do anything other than talk big about migrants, without doing anything about them. Maybe they will open the door to some parties that have the balls to start mass deportation, which needs to happen, regardless of what some lefty, city-dwelling troglodite faggot says

The big thing about accelerationsm is it hinges on making things worse so that the citizens are motivated to bring about serious change.

Pre-covid it was pretty unthinkable for any left aligned person to criticise immigration - "importing cheap labour hurts British workers" was an old school pre-New Labour view. Now we're seeing it raised in otherwise left wing contexts, like with the housing crisis or NHS waiting times (whereas previously only right wingers would raise this view). Farage was on TV this morning with the stat that 1 in 30 people in the UK arrived in the last two years based on ONS statistics - admittedly some of this will be British people returning to the UK from abroad and then also student visas, but it's still an alarming figure.

An accelerationist viewpoint would be you could shift the Overton window by having people saying we need to start deporting, but failing to do so (and thus all the problems associated with record immigration continue to happen) which would encourage the population to look for a stronger leader to deliver the policies they now support. That's pretty much what Reform would achieve, I'm pretty sure they'd be bigger fuck ups than the Tories if they got near power.

Mass deportation isn't palatable to most of the electorate. I'm uncomfortable with the idea, because I think of all the people I know who have assimilated into British values and are pretty much like me, just with some different cultural backgrounds - and I worry they'd get deported or we'd get onto a runaway ethno nationalism train.

But am I more uncomfortable with mass deportation of new immigrants, or by being surrounded by a counterpublic who refuse to assimilate and want to turn my culture into theirs? I think my answer would be very different if I lived somewhere like Bradford.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Farage defends claim PM 'doesn't understand our culture' (a)

With a single phrase, Farage has taken nearly all attention off Rishi's little tax and d-day stumbles and made criticism of his lack of connection to the common man a racial talking point. I'm not schizo enough to believe that Farage was told to say this, of course; he's reliable enough with his hot takes that they just have to wait for him to open his mouth and then all pile in afterwards.

The worst part is, I agree with Nigel's clarification, in that Sunak is clearly a child of privilege and wealth, who lacks compassion and empathy for the people he professes to lead. He's a california-educated toff who feigns cultural connection to this country, merely because he was born here. If he'd just said that to begin with, instead of sneaking right up to the line he obviously doesn't want to cross, he'd have the moral high ground to back him up.

Meme party. Meme leader.

Also, Sunak is a pajeet and smells funny.

 

[Bloom Worm Cross Field]

The big thing about accelerationsm is it hinges on making things worse so that the citizens are motivated to bring about serious change.

I think the other point often missed is that there's "acceleration" that makes the symptoms of a problem worse, and "acceleration" that just makes the fundamental problem worse, more quickly.
The former might be something like the emergence of sectarian muslim parties forming that show the public that the ideas of kumbaya multiculturalism is a sham, which could speed up pushback against mass immigration. Think like that Akhmed Yakoob "lend Gaza your vote" guy agitating muslims and pulling them away from Labour.

The latter might be speeding up mass immigration itself, which just brings forward the point in which native Brits are irreversibly outnumbered. Something like voting green in the "hope" that they'll open the borders the fullest out of all parties.

I think even in the best case, accelerationism is a pretty strategically dodgy, cynical move that's more likely to harm than help. But doing something like the voting Green example (which I've heard some /pol/-tier idiots advocate for) is just suicide and an awful idea.

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Farage defends claim PM 'doesn't understand our culture' (a)

With a single phrase, Farage has taken nearly all attention off Rishi's little tax and d-day stumbles and made criticism of his lack of connection to the common man a racial talking point

It's true though, and I think it's a good thing someone is finally (coming close to) saying it. Why are we so arrogant to demand that Rishi Sunak, a man whose grandparents were (I assume) thousands of miles away when the boats landed, should truly care about D-day? I think moving the overton window to the point where stating obvious truths are acceptable is the best thing Farage can do. Like the idea that the country itself has any kind of fundamental affinity to the population that lived there 80 years ago is (a) completely foreign to elites like Rishi, who view it as an administrative region of economic zone N km^2 in size instead of a nation with a people, history, culture and heritage; and (b) not applicable to people who came to the country since then. I mean, their own philosophy doesn't even have a real explanation as to why the soldiers fought for their country in the first place. Getting these points across to the average person is step one in making any sort of change in our politics.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Pre-covid it was pretty unthinkable for any left aligned person to criticise immigration - "importing cheap labour hurts British workers" was an old school pre-New Labour view. Now we're seeing it raised in otherwise left wing contexts, like with the housing crisis or NHS waiting times (whereas previously only right wingers would raise this view). Farage was on TV this morning with the stat that 1 in 30 people in the UK arrived in the last two years based on ONS statistics - admittedly some of this will be British people returning to the UK from abroad and then also student visas, but it's still an alarming figure.

The more alarming figure, to me at least, isn't the rate of them coming in, it's the rate of us going out. That should send alarm bells to anyone paying attention that the Brits who can, are, and in droves. They're the ones that have declared "fuck this, I'm off". With Brexit rules, those ditching out of England have to be able to apply for and obtain a visa, which varies in difficulty around the bloc.

Mass deportation isn't palatable to most of the electorate. I'm uncomfortable with the idea, because I think of all the people I know who have assimilated into British values and are pretty much like me, just with some different cultural backgrounds - and I worry they'd get deported or we'd get onto a runaway ethno nationalism train.

Most of the electorate are the problem - if we go along with agreeing that people's vote does count and it isn't just all rigged. They live in a world that isn't affected by the migrants, legal or otherwise, who are, in my opinion, only jumping on the bandwagon, 30 years too late. While some of my views may seem extreme to those lucky enough not to see the reality of mixed cultures - it doesn't work, for anyone, I've seen the worst of what happens when different cultures are smushed together and hoped for the best. Multiculturalism doesn't work because the dirty secret is, most races dislike and distrust most races. Gujaratis and Pakis hate one-another (Paki's find it offensive if you call them Asian, they prefer being called Paki, because they're Pakistani and calling them Asian wipes away their heritage). 'Paki' was just a word they could hide behind to excuse shitty behaviour.

Don't get me wrong, while 90% of the issues faced in Britain is because of people who have entered the country in the last 30 years, there's enough white people who I would also deport because they don't have British values. For ease, all non-whites who entered the UK since 2000 would be sent home, then I would clamp down on shitty, anti-social, non-British-value-holding, chav cumstains.

But am I more uncomfortable with mass deportation of new immigrants, or by being surrounded by a counterpublic who refuse to assimilate and want to turn my culture into theirs? I think my answer would be very different if I lived somewhere like Bradford.

I wouldn't get rid of new migrants because where do you draw the cut off line? It's not enough to say 12 months, 24 months or five years, when the rot has gone on much, much longer. Rotherham rape gangs were second generation.
I've lived in and worked in Bradford (the centre, brown bit, not the very nice, posh, rural parts) and it's very, very difficult not to sound like a racist when you see what happens.

A starting point would be better, stricter, more brutal policing, doling out punishment in equal measure, whether they be black, white, brown, poor or rich.