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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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I'm continually astounded at how Labour seems determined to lose the next GE. They could have sat on their arses and done nothing for the next two years and they'd probably win a decent majority next term simply because of how bad the Tories had shit the bed.
It is mostly because they are in an inner party civil war right now. On the surface it looks like Kier is in full control. But he is still dealing with the Commie Corbynites wanting to implement their revolution,backed by the(fucking detestable) fresh out of Cambridge Che wannabes. Then the side backing Kier are the northern working class old timers who did face a lot of shit for having some support for Brexit under Corbyn.
This attack on Rishi was a Corbynite move i would bet. From how it is gone down, the talking heads may bring it up. But i doubt it is changing any voters minds. A lot of the northern towns have suffered for years under the eye's of so called Labour safe seats. Personally i think 2019 was the bitch slap they needed. What the Tory's need to do is bring down energy costs and get the economy growing by November next year and they will win again. What Labour has to do is a lot more than that, they need to decide if they are the party of the city cosmopolitan tranny or the old northern working class everyman. Then convince the north, that they are not just a bunch of stuck up faggots who only care about socialist BBC comedian takes.
 
It is mostly because they are in an inner party civil war right now. On the surface it looks like Kier is in full control. But he is still dealing with the Commie Corbynites wanting to implement their revolution,backed by the(fucking detestable) fresh out of Cambridge Che wannabes. Then the side backing Kier are the northern working class old timers who did face a lot of shit for having some support for Brexit under Corbyn.
This attack on Rishi was a Corbynite move i would bet. From how it is gone down, the talking heads may bring it up. But i doubt it is changing any voters minds. A lot of the northern towns have suffered for years under the eye's of so called Labour safe seats. Personally i think 2019 was the bitch slap they needed. What the Tory's need to do is bring down energy costs and get the economy growing by November next year and they will win again. What Labour has to do is a lot more than that, they need to decide if they are the party of the city cosmopolitan tranny or the old northern working class everyman. Then convince the north, that they are not just a bunch of stuck up faggots who only care about socialist BBC comedian takes.
It goes even further than taking a lot of shit for the Northeners. The champagne socialists that make up a hefty chunk of Labour's vocal online support and activist legion despise them to the degree of wishing all of them were dead and have said so loudly and often.

Interestingly while one would think there is not much overlap between the stereotypical beer bellied white Northern Labour voter and the various India originating inhabitants in many of their towns there is. While the traditional pub overlap does not occur much they still share gyms, workspaces and more with one another and a lot of them get along a lot better than the average London dwelling, race studies degree possessing idiots suspect. I would put money this move against the UK's first Indian PM has made for interesting conversation between those groups. and whole I cannot guarantee it will backfire there's a possibility it could.

Labour still are probably going to win the next election. But this attempt to pretend they are a law and order party makes me suspicious of if the internal conflicts are going to force their way into the open again.
 
Looks like Labour are still nervous about their chances about the elections since they are trying to rebrand themselves as the law and order party (and annoyingly I can't upload images). And they're back.
Same energy as the "new labour, new danger" ads the Tories ran in the 90s.

I was convinced Labour would win it next year, but now I'm starting to wonder. The local government elections will be a bellwether, I think; if they shift further toward the Tories even slightly, labour have fluffed it.
 
Same energy as the "new labour, new danger" ads the Tories ran in the 90s.
Don't get too nostalgic, we may be slouching back that way if this keeps going.
Though if we could go back to those prices I would be fine with it.

Edit for your edit - I'm honestly unsure what I want. The Tories are being insufferable and need a kicking. But Labour have not purged their idiots or rejected their madness.
 
a lot of them get along a lot better than the average London dwelling, race studies degree possessing idiots suspect.
A hard grafter is a hard grafter. Doesn't matter what colour his skin is or how many consonants are in his last name (unless he's Welsh) what gets respected the most by the working people in my area is how willing you are to do a job and do it well.
I'm not saying there's perfect racial harmony or anything but nothing pulls people together as much as complaining about how hard your job is and how much you hate Londoners, nonces and dole scum. In that order.
 
A hard grafter is a hard grafter. Doesn't matter what colour his skin is or how many consonants are in his last name (unless he's Welsh) what gets respected the most by the working people in my area is how willing you are to do a job and do it well.
I'm not saying there's perfect racial harmony or anything but nothing pulls people together as much as complaining about how hard your job is and how much you hate Londoners, nonces and dole scum. In that order.
Yep. The workplace is the biggest one for this as you say with the grafter summary. The average worker does not care about the age, ethnicity, sex or sexual orientation of the person next to them as long as they're willing to work.

Like you say, it's not perfect. You'll get plenty of "they work hard for a (woman/Paki/faggot/Londoner)" but there's no genuine malice there usually. And when they get talking ultimately the core theme from the average worker is that everyone who can work should, people who hurt children in any way should be used for manure and the majority of politicians could not find their own arses with both hands.

I mentioned the Prescott punch recently, which showed how out of touch the average Labour politician was with their base. The majority of them were panicking that it would turn middle class people away from the party. Instead, like the majority of all classes, their response was "if someone eggs you and you punch them in the face that's fine. What's to discuss?" Politicians understand how to manipulate their voters much better than they understand how they think and feel.
 
Then the side backing Kier are the northern working class
Jaw fell open reading this...
Starmer and his gang represent the cosmopoliton north London neoliberal elite that are despised by old Labour voters in the north and elsewhere (and make no secret of hating them in return).
Corbyn was initally welcomed up north as he represented a return to left wing economics, i.e. proper old Labour, and appeared to support brexit, before he let starmer and his neolib wreckers destroy labour's position on brexit. His social/cultural politics of course weren't popular.
 
Jaw fell open reading this...
Starmer and his gang represent the cosmopoliton north London neoliberal elite that are despised by old Labour voters in the north and elsewhere (and make no secret of hating them in return).
Corbyn was initally welcomed up north as he represented a return to left wing economics, i.e. proper old Labour, and appeared to support brexit, before he let starmer and his neolib wreckers destroy labour's position on brexit. His social/cultural politics of course weren't popular.
Corbyn sold out completely to the Londoners whenever he made actual public statements. He fence sat everywhere else which as you say was part of the other voices in the party. Now Stamer and co are constantly being subverted by the loony left lot they courted so now pretend to be different, hence the attempt to rebrand as a law and order party. Kier's support is the Northern working class because the other contenders are worse when it comes to them.
 
Jaw fell open reading this...
Starmer and his gang represent the cosmopoliton north London neoliberal elite that are despised by old Labour voters in the north and elsewhere (and make no secret of hating them in return).
Corbyn was initally welcomed up north as he represented a return to left wing economics, i.e. proper old Labour, and appeared to support brexit, before he let starmer and his neolib wreckers destroy labour's position on brexit. His social/cultural politics of course weren't popular.
>YA DONT GET IT MY GUY HE WAS SECRATLY BASED
If he was, he is a coward about his views. Not somebody we would want ever to get near the halls of power.
I live in the north,Corbyn was a dead name here. The party even addmited to it in their report in to the 2019 election disaster. "his name died on the doorstep". Is a quote from it. If he ever had any support for Brexit, he kept it to himself. If anything that would have given him a least a chance up here. All the left wing tranny worship bullshit, came from his side of Labour, from the mouths of his Che t shirt wearing student union faggot chearleading squad. Kier may have been on board, but as we are seeing now, he is more pragmatic and will slightly ditch the woke student union politics if it gets him closer to power. He still refuse's to define a woman, but that i would bet is pressure from the bitch next to him. Who would see it as a "win" for their enemy's if he backed down on it now. He is in too deep for that and he does not want to be called flip flop Starmer.
Funny thing also from that same report, is that the Labour actvists echo chambered themselves so much on twitter, that they could not even do effective canvasing for the Labour party. All they were doing is talking to other Labour actvists and blocking anyone else.
 
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>Party whose local councils actively refused to do anything about paki child rape gangs accusing others of not wanting to jail nonces
LOL. LMAO even.
In some urban areas of England, Labour have basically became a Muslim-interests party with literal crypto-Islamists in their ranks. That's why so many Hindus and Sikhs have jumped ship

Watch an 'Islamic party' come about in the next decade or so. It already happened in the Netherlands and Sweden.
 
Random aside here since I heard the guy talking on Radio 4 this morning (and he was a step up from the alleged priests they had on which says a lot about the station's attitudes to Catholics on Easter) about his book.

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And yes, this is the same guy quoted in the thread's original article it seems. I've no idea about the quality of the book itself but the title made me question if it was real. The author seems at least fairly reasonable, big on the attitude that people when you actually meet them usually turn out to be all right and very firm in his interview that while on paper as a child of Pakistiani immigrants you would expect that mingling with football supporters would be a death sentence for him in fact they are one of the best things in his life.
 
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I don't get why, when this IRA suppoting plastic paddy clown was elected/installed, the UK didn't issue some kind of temporary suspension of diplomatic relations with the US, we're them most cucked people on earth putting up with this shit.


Britain needs to stop fawning over the one-sided ‘special relationship’​

As Biden visits NI, it’s vital to remember the UK is an independent nation with its own divergent priorities

After the vote to leave the EU, and following the election of Donald Trump, a former White House adviser told me: “If any other Republican president were in office, they would say, ‘We don’t agree with Brexit, but you’re our strongest ally. You can have a trade deal with us, and on terms you’ll find helpful’.” But Trump’s was no normal presidency. “Nobody but Trump would have been pro-Brexit,” my friend said. “But if you want a trade deal he will try to screw you with your pants still on.”
This was just one reason why a trade agreement with America was neither likely nor desirable. Unusually, official figures show Britain enjoys a trade surplus with America, and Trump would have seen a trade deal as a moment to squeeze us hard. There was also the role of Congress in negotiations – never likely to be helpful – and controversies in Britain about American farming methods.

Then there was the election of Joe Biden, who visits Northern Ireland and the Republic this week. President Biden has a history of taking strident, hostile and ignorant positions against British interests. As a senator in the 1980s, he campaigned to stop a change in American extradition law favoured by President Reagan, which would have removed “political exemption” clauses and allowed IRA terror suspects in the States to be sent to Britain for trial.

In a letter regarding the case of an IRA gunman, who had been involved in a shoot-out that left a British soldier dead, and who had later kidnapped a prison officer and shot his way out of jail, Biden wrote, “it is far preferable to allow occasional judicial mistakes than to codify an approach that would have, for example, required the US to send Indian dissidents in the 1940s to England to stand trial”.
This was absurd for many obvious reasons, not least that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom by the democratic consent of its people. Yet Biden’s statement was neither a one-off slip nor a product of its time. In Israel last year, he said: “The background of my family is Irish-American, and we have a long history not unlike the Palestinian people, with Great Britain and their attitude toward Irish Catholics over the years.”

It was no surprise, then, that Biden took an antagonistic attitude towards Britain throughout the Brexit negotiations. He repeatedly elided the Good Friday Agreement, which says nothing about borders, with an insistence that there could be no border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. He even instructed his most senior diplomat in London to lodge a “demarche” – a formal diplomatic protest – over British resistance to EU checks on goods travelling between Northern Ireland and mainland Britain.
Predictably, Biden showed little concern for the Good Friday Agreement once it became clear that the Northern Ireland Protocol endangered the peace process because of the problems it presented to unionists. For some Democrats such partisanship was about the relationship – as they perceived it at least – between Brexit and the populist wave that elected Donald Trump. But for others – including Biden himself – it is also because they are partisan on the future of Northern Ireland itself. In November, Chuck Schumer, the Senate majority leader, offered Sinn Fein his support for “full Irish unity”.

If this sounds not very much like the conduct of an important ally, that is because too many in Britain have a naïve view of our alliance with America. We are two different countries with distinct cultures and interests. As two liberal democracies with common enemies, those interests often coincide – but not always. This should be obvious, yet many are taken in by a common language, familiarity with American culture, and the cost-free rhetoric of the so-called “special relationship”. With Brexit, when Britain expected support from its cherished ally, none arrived.

This is – of course – not to say that there is no value in the alliance, which rests on deep security co-operation. Our two countries share intelligence material in a way that is incomparable anywhere else in the world. Britain, along with Canada and Australia, is part of America’s statutory National Technology and Industrial Base. And as the Aukus treaty shows, there is still scope for military and industrial co-operation to deepen further.

All this demonstrates that the alliance has foundations that survive the madness of a Trump or the frostiness of a Biden administration. And it tends to have a momentum of its own regardless of the chemistry shared by presidents and prime ministers. Just as threats from the past – from the Axis powers to the Soviet Union and Islamist terrorists – have brought the countries together, so, in all probability, will China and global threats that grow as Western power declines.
Yet we must accept that there is nuance and complexity in a relationship in which we start off with different cultural perspectives; view the world with our different interests in mind; judge what might be possible as countries of around 340 million people and 67 million people respectively; and elect governments and leaders with different personalities and outlooks.

Politicians like to talk about relations between countries as friendships and enduring partnerships, but then political language is by nature often hyperbolic, hypocritical and designed to cover up contradiction and controversy. President Biden will likely once again reveal his partisan support for Irish nationalism this week, and perhaps insult unionists and the British as he does so. But if so, we should not care.
A grown-up assessment of the alliance with America must be realistic. There are trade-offs in any international relationship, and there is plenty we gain from our alliance. But that does not mean we must always be craven or compliant.

Sooner or later Biden will leave office. He may be replaced by a friendlier president, but regardless, he will not be the last unfriendly face in the White House. Our job is to assess our interests – not to fawn embarrassingly about the “special relationship”, plead for a trade deal we do not need, or rush into every war America feels it needs to wage. In other words, we need to grow up, and do what is right for ourselves.

For me the Biden administration has been useful in opening people's eyes to just how much the average American hates the UK/English and shake off this childish idea that they are any kind of friends of ours.
Even this dopey boomercon author doesn't get it, at the end trying to convince himself the 'special relationship' must continue like some kind of battered wife.

btw the irish of course still mooch of of the UK to provide all their military protection, in particular air defence all while bitterly hating us. They can't even provide basic air cover for Biden while he's in ireland:


So to put it into persepctive 200 years removed plasic paddy biden will be touring ireland and NI banging tables extolling the virtues of the IRA and the murder of British service men all the while protected by the RAF....
Why do we put up with so much shit from hostile foreigners like we do?
 
Biden is the most insufferable of the ‘Irish’ Americans. How embarrassing for Ireland that they’re happy to go along with his delusions.

I think pretty much every Brit dies a little more inside upon hearing the words ‘special relationship’. British and Americans probably liked each other more before we started interacting with the worst of each other online.
 
For me the Biden administration has been useful in opening people's eyes to just how much the average American hates the UK/English and shake off this childish idea that they are any kind of friends of ours.
This entire thread is Exhibit A in why we despise your shitty garbage patch of an island.
 
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