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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[Otterly]

A gobshite how? Which of her policies did you think were worse than The Paki's? I don't think Im the only person absolutely mystified here.

As Otterly has indicated: the Tories are only nominally "conservative", we have still dealt with massive immigration, insane diversity garbage, very high taxation, and other such maladies. The Tories are simply labour going at the speed limit.

And now Labour will get a landslide, which means they get to take the brakes off and shove us fully over the cliff. Things are about to get even worse, from the dire state they’re in now.
kier starmer is vile - I disliked corbyn intensely too but at least the man had some principles he adhered to even if they’re not mine. Starmer is a man with a fence post jammed up his arse. No spine whatsoever, no beliefs and no love for his country.
It’s an absolute disgrace that we have nobody to vote for who would genuinely try to improve things. Where are the politicians who want to serve, not rule while they impose ideology we all hate, and fill their pockets?

 

[teriyakiburns]

So glad I didn't lay any stakes on my predictions for the GE. They're starting to look more than a bit optimistic...

 

[St.Davis]

And now Labour will get a landslide, which means they get to take the brakes off and shove us fully over the cliff. Things are about to get even worse, from the dire state they’re in now.
kier starmer is vile - I disliked corbyn intensely too but at least the man had some principles he adhered to even if they’re not mine. Starmer is a man with a fence post jammed up his arse. No spine whatsoever, no beliefs and no love for his country.
It’s an absolute disgrace that we have nobody to vote for who would genuinely try to improve things. Where are the politicians who want to serve, not rule while they impose ideology we all hate, and fill their pockets?

Mr. Powell was betrayed.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

They’ve not conserved much have they though? I wish they had, but they’ve kept asset stripping everything off for their chums and pumping sewage into the water. Not a lot has been conserved

If you're on the 'trans women aren't women just because they call themselves women' forum voluntarily, you should be able to understand why the Conservative party being called that doesn't and hasn't meant anything for a long time, and this isn't the gotcha it keeps getting repeated as.

You probably believed them when they said they were going to reduce immigration the last ten times, too.

 

[AssignedEva]

They’ve not conserved much have they though? I wish they had, but they’ve kept asset stripping everything off for their chums and pumping sewage into the water. Not a lot has been conserved

A gobshite how? Which of her policies did you think were worse than The Paki's? I don't think Im the only person absolutely mystified here.

As Otterly has indicated: the Tories are only nominally "conservative", we have still dealt with massive immigration, insane diversity garbage, very high taxation, and other such maladies. The Tories are simply labour going at the speed limit.

Don't let the recent blooming of idpol cloud your vision.

High immigration is a Conservative policy. It benefits business owners and shareholders by suppressing British wages via the importation of cheap labour and undermining unions. Thatcher was the progenitor of this - sure, she cracked down on Commonwealth immigration and implemented nationality laws, but she also signed the SEA. She was a Eurosceptic when it came to attempts at European Federalism but that's because being pro-small state is also a Conservative stance, she had no interest in protectionism for British workers; it was all about free trade and freedom of movement was part of that (although the concept of an "EU citizen" was not). Her issue was the cultural differences of immigrants, not there being immigrants. In some ways I'd argue saying that you want to crack down on immigration to mug to the audience while increasing immigration is an inherent trait of a modern Conservative. She always quipped that Blair was her biggest success, and successive governments have carried on with this neoliberal agenda.

The current round had no choice but to massively increase immigration from Asia and Africa as they'd weaponised Brexit, so they couldn't keep Europeans coming here but needed the tap of cheap labour flowing. The recent threshold changes for spousal visas and skilled workers is an attempt to placate their base, there's loads of exemptions in place to keep the supply of cheap labour going. The insane rates of illegal immigration are just because they're feckless - but that doesn't mean they're not Conservative, it's because they're bad at governance after they purged the party of people who weren't Boris loyalists. If you're not able to delineate between crappy Conservatives and people who aren't Conservative, you risk sounding like the Communists - all those examples of Communism failing weren't a sign that Communism doesn't work, it's because it wasn't proper Communism! A real Communist state can't fail, the ideology can only be failed, Comrade! Likewise it's not that this lot are left wing, they've just all been feckless, going back to Cameron's attempt to rule via referenda.

Idpol is merely a distraction. It prevents class consciousness, which is why it rose when the Establishment got spooked by Occupy Wall Street. There's a reason why instead of passing primary legislation with their post 2019 majority they instead tried measures to restrict immigration that would be defeated by the judiciary conforming to existing legislation so they could play the victim.

I've no faith that Starmer will meaningfully bring down immigration (which, idpol aside, would the true left wing position to protect workers). I do think he might manage to undo some of the vandalism to our state institutions committed in the name of austerity, which has been a Conservative value ever since the post war consensus ended nearly 50 years ago. That will at least reduce our budgetary black hole from hosting an ever growing waiting list of unprocessed asylum seekers.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Is it legal for Tory and Labour to form a coalition?

 

[Coolio55]

Is it legal for Tory and Labour to form a coalition?

Fucking hell. I never even considered that.
Imagine the fallout.

It seems unthinkable - but the vague superficial difference between the two is too small to ignore.

 

[Doctor Love]

Idpol is merely a distraction. It prevents class consciousness

Class consciousness?

I have to consciously avoid speaking in my actual working-class dialect because of the posh, faggy London gimps who call themselves working class.

What, exactly, is working class in your mind?

 

[AssignedEva]

Class consciousness?

I have to consciously avoid speaking in my actual working-class dialect because of the posh, faggy London gimps who call themselves working class.

What, exactly, is working class in your mind?

And I learned not to talk in my original dialect and speak like posh faggy London gimps, because poshos think you're basically a Barbara Windsor Carry On character if you actually speak in an authentic working class London dialect.

Two aspects to class. One is how you were brought up and your values, the thing that will shut you out from the parts of society that still shun that. The other part is financial precarity. How much do you need your job? If you got sacked tomorrow, and there's 6 weeks before Universal Credit, are you going to starve if you don't go to a food bank? Do you have assets? Obviously some wealthy people are shit with money and some working class people are frugal and have a cushion.

I made it into the middle class. We were really poor growing up, and I got lucky. I worked hard, but I don't forget where I came from.

 

[Doctor Love]

I made it into the middle class. We were really poor growing up, and I got lucky. I worked hard, but I don't forget where I came from.

Yeah this is how the whole "installed class system" works, that's what literally every fucker says.

You know, the wealthiest suburbs of the industrial Midland cities - all of them are built around mines.

They are described as middle class, while Paki grifters, criminals and illegal immigrants are working class.

 

[AssignedEva]

Yeah this is how the whole "installed class system" works, that's what literally every fucker says.

You know, the wealthiest suburbs of the industrial Midland cities - all of them are built around mines.

They are described as middle class, while Paki grifters, criminals and illegal immigrants are working class.

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be mass importing unskilled workers, but try telling the "party of business" that.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Fucking hell. I never even considered that.
Imagine the fallout.

It seems unthinkable - but the vague superficial difference between the two is too small to ignore.

To Protect our democracy and stop the faaaaar right, we must form a coalition to shut out jew/palastine hating national front Nigel Farage.

 

[teriyakiburns]

High immigration is a Conservative policy.

Immigration is a cross-party policy. It increased tenfold under Blair's labour. The tories like immigration because it suppresses wages and makes GDP look good, while labour like immigration because it provides a ready-made tax and voter base and avoids having to fix systemic issues in the labour market. in both cases, they'll tell you that they're trying to fix it while they titivate around the edges with flashy, useless policies, all the while trying to trick you into not noticing their latest scheme to import hundreds of thousands more of the bastards.

 

[Otterly]

High immigration is a Conservative policy

We aren’t disagreeing on this. Like @teriyakiburns says it’s a cross party policy. That’s sort of the point. I think I am a conservative person. I think there was a lot that was very good about our society and that we should have conserved it. We don’t need to live in a museum, being conservative isn’t being closed to the beneficial bits of the new it just wants to keep what works well or what has value in and of itself. Conservative thought asks why a fence is there before it takes it down.
‘the conservative party’ is not in any way conservative. There are very few politicians I’d describe as even vaguely conservative these days. They’re all the same bunch - Eton, PPE at Oxford, chums all the way.
It was bad enough when it was just the old boy network, but at least some of them were decently educated men who liked their country and who had fought for it . Now with the advent of globalism they’re all inducted into whatever WEF loving circles, and in the pockets of the corporates as well. This is completely incompatible with any form of real conservative thought, because it’s an ideology that prioritises the foreign over the domestic and money over people every time. You cannot preserve the English countryside and balance that sensibly with farming practices when the WEF is telling you to reduce nitrogen and put a fifth of Welsh’s farmland out of action OR ELSE. The messaging on Covid clearly came from a central point, and there was clearly something very nasty held over world leaders to comply. We aren’t even ruled by Brits any more
The left don’t even pretend to prioritise the people any more, now they’ve got an oppression pyramid to worship and an entire planet to import.

I grew up poor, I’m in a decent job now and I guess I’d be seen as middle class, but I also believe that very few people are driven by any kind of higher morality, and I suspect that number is dropping year by year, and I know for a fact it’s selected against in the echelons of power. It’s all fucked and I want to know how we can start to turn it around

 

[Kel1 shi1]

We were really poor growing up, and I got lucky. I worked hard, but I don't forget where I came from.

Being poor is a life skill. It's saved my ass so many times.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Probably need to start doing a checklist of the some of the stuff that Labour have already stated they are going to do since they know they're getting in. That I have seen so far;

Lowering voting age to 16 (they'll come to regret it but once in it will never be rolled back).
Banning conversion therapy. Which given the only exception is the trans stuff means they'll be ignoring the Cass report.
Cancelling the Rwanda scheme in favour of an arrangement with the EU. I do think that Rwanda was a gimmick rather than a great solution but any partnership with the EU is going to be we take infinite migrants and Labour gets to spend some time in Europe at posh dos.
They're also going to be strengthening support for the countries where most refugees are coming from. Blank cheque for the sort of criminals running Haiti at the moment presumably.

And of course respect and equality for all. How do they plan to do that?

Everyone in this country deserves a government that matches their ambition. Labour will ensure no matter whatever your background, you can thrive, and therefore we will enact the socio-economic duty in the Equality Act 2010.

Oh good, the Equality act. Loved by all.

Women’s equality will be at the heart of our missions. Our plan to Make Work Pay will transform the lives of working women, including by strengthening rights to equal pay and protections from maternity and menopause discrimination and sexual harassment. And Labour will take action to reduce the gender pay gap, building on the legacy of Barbara Castle’s Equal Pay Act.

Labour will introduce a landmark Race Equality Act, to enshrine in law the full right to equal pay for Black, Asian, and other ethnic minority people, strengthen protections against dual discrimination and root out other racial inequalities. Labour will also reverse the Conservatives’ decision to downgrade the monitoring of antisemitic and Islamophobic hate.

Labour is committed to championing the rights of disabled people and to the principle of working with them, so that their views and voices will be at the heart of all we do. We will introduce the full right to equal pay for disabled people. Building on gender pay gap reporting, we will introduce disability and ethnicity pay gap reporting for large employers. We will support disabled people to work by improving employment support and access to reasonable adjustments. We will also tackle the Access to Work backlog and make sure people can try out a job without fear of an immediate benefit reassessment if it does not work out.

Delivering opportunities for all means that everyone should be treated with respect and dignity. Labour will protect LGBT+ and disabled people by making all existing strands of hate crime an aggravated offence.

So-called conversion therapy is abuse – there is no other word for it – so Labour will finally deliver a full trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices, while protecting the freedom for people to explore their sexual orientation and gender identity.

We will also modernise, simplify, and reform the intrusive and outdated gender recognition law to a new process. We will remove indignities for trans people who deserve recognition and acceptance; whilst retaining the need for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria from a specialist doctor, enabling access to the healthcare pathway.

Labour is proud of our Equality Act and the rights and protections it affords women; we will continue to support the implementation of its single-sex exceptions.

Labour will stop the chaos, end the failure and division of the last 14 years, and turn the page to ensure everyone can thrive.

Enjoy everyone. And ladies, remember Labour is here for you. Unless you're being targeted by a minority group of any kind in which case shut your hate holes, bigots!

 

[Doctor Love]

It’s all fucked and I want to know how we can start to turn it around

Well - if nitric acid is the one which stains your fingers bright orange, then I have some very good news about my fermentation research.

 

[Coolio55]

Well - if nitric acid is the one which stains your fingers bright orange, then I have some very good news about my fermentation research.

Ooh! Are they bringing back those Tango ads?

 

[Doctor Love]

Ooh! Are they bringing back those Tango ads?

I'm glad I wasn't around for this. Was everyone on coke until the mid-2000s?

 

[Overly Serious]

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I'm glad I wasn't around for this. Was everyone on coke until the mid-2000s?

They actually banned some of the tango ads. Which is kind of hysterical. I still have vivid memories of the orange amputee clown thing with the foot in its mouth emerging from the dustbin.

On a more serious note, what is the general consensus on Reform Party? Worth supporting over the other three?