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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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She wasn't allowed to put them in to action. The banks, after truss has been ousted, even admitted that they screwed with the value of the £ to make her look worse.
Very interesting post. Truss's leadership coincided with a difficult period in my life where I almost 100% checked out of politics so I don't have the depth of knowledge on her policies that I normally would. Do you have any kind of citation for the above / specifics?
 
Do you have any kind of citation for the above / specifics?
I can cite one policy the "establishment" didn't like. Kwasi's mini-budget would have rolled back all of the bullshit around IR35, which absolutely massacred the independent contractor and small business sector in this country. As the rules currently stand it's a double-dipping tax and was pretty much written by big consultancies like Capita. It has been such an utter farce that HMRC had to write in special exemptions for their own contract workers, because they were all quitting and retiring.
 
Very interesting post. Truss's leadership coincided with a difficult period in my life where I almost 100% checked out of politics so I don't have the depth of knowledge on her policies that I normally would. Do you have any kind of citation for the above / specifics?
Without trawling through pages of the BBC, I unfortunately don't. It will have to be a Truss me, Bro kind of post.

FWIW I find 99% of my news from the BBC. I open their website once or twice a day, scroll down and chuckle at the retarded levels or articles, Like this one and leave. Sometimes, they post a story that reveals a little bit too much of what's going on.

Although, look at how the banks bounced back once Truss had gone, with Hunt the wef puppet and Sunak the wef puppet put in charge. Sunak didn't even do a round of voting like Truss did, which is sus in and of itself.

The whole thing was sham either way.
 
I can cite one. Kwasi's mini-budget would have rolled back all of the bullshit around IR35, which absolutely massacred the independent contractor and small business sector in this country. As the rules currently stand it's a double-dipping tax and was pretty much written by big consultancies like Capita. It has been such an utter farce that HMRC had to write in special exemptions for their own contract workers, because they were all quitting and retiring.
When I first heard of IR35 (I have some familiarity with the tech industry), I thought contractors were annoyed about it because it stopped them gaming their taxes compared to non-contractors. When I became more familiar with it I realised what an absolute construction of insanity it is.

I was actually asking for a citation about banks deliberately tanking the £ to undermine Liz Truss. But the fact that Kwasi was going to rollback IR35 would be enough for me to vote for him almost by itself.
 
When I first heard of IR35 (I have some familiarity with the tech industry), I thought contractors were annoyed about it because it stopped them gaming their taxes compared to non-contractors. When I became more familiar with it I realised what an absolute construction of insanity it is.

I was actually asking for a citation about banks deliberately tanking the £ to undermine Liz Truss. But the fact that Kwasi was going to rollback IR35 would be enough for me to vote for him almost by itself.
It's also fun to lambast the reporters who slammed him as "using selective reporting to remove Britain's first African chancellor."
 
Her economic policy and direction she was going to take the country. The media attack on her and the whole "Truss lasted longer than a cabbage" stories were humiliating on purpose; they didn't want anyone else trying her ideas.

She wasn't allowed to put them in to action. The banks, after truss has been ousted, even admitted that they screwed with the value of the £ to make her look worse.

If she had have succeeded, the yanks wouldn't have been able to sell oil and gas to Germany, as they would have bought it from us. She was going to go ahead with fracking; generating massive revenue for the UK as we could have had cheap gas and sold the excess to Europe, again cutting out the yanks, and she was going to greenlight on-shore wind energy. However, when Sunak said "no" to it, the greens were awfully quiet.

On top of that, the policies of "visitors buy goods without paying VAT", would have boosted our failing retail sector and the incentives she offered to foreign investors to invest in British business would have boosted our manufacturing sector.

Retail, Manufacturing, Energy and cost of living would have been sorted. No energy crisis, leading to fewer government funds going to energy payments, leading people to have more money. An increase in manufacturing and retail demand, creating more jobs which would raise wages and give people a better standard of living.

But we can't have that because the EU and Yank billionaires wouldn't have made a few more million to throw in their scrooge-mcduckian vault.
No one really objected at the time to any particular one of Truss' policies - Labour only really objected to the abolition of the 45p tax rate, but everyone knew they would.

I'm fairly sure that the policy that brought her down was the abolition of the corporation tax increase. Nobody in this country wanted this increase, it didn't make any economic sense, but the Yanks wanted it because of Biden's stupid policies for a worldwide corporation tax.

I bet in time it turns out there was a secret deal with the Americans around corporation tax, and they manipulated the markets to bring her down when she reneged on it. Anyone who invests in stocks and shares knows how prone the markets are to manipulation: the FTSE can go up and down more than a hundred points in a day, with no apparent cause.
 

Fewer cousins marrying in Bradford's Pakistani community (Archive)

The number of people in Bradford's Pakistani community who have married a cousin has fallen sharply in the past 10 years, a study suggests. Higher educational attainment, new family dynamics and changes in immigration rules are thought to be possible reasons.

Juwayriya Ahmed married her cousin in 1988. The 52-year-old teacher says her children once asked her how she and their father met.
"I was laughing at them. I said I didn't really meet him. My parents took me to Pakistan and my dad said you're going to marry this person. And I sort of knew who he was, but the first time I met him properly was at the wedding," she says.
"My kids said that was disgusting. And then they told me, 'Don't you dare make us do anything like this.'"

Ten years ago researchers studying the health of more than 30,000 people in Bradford found that about 60% of babies in the Pakistani community had parents who were first or second cousins, but a new follow-up study of mothers in three inner-city wards finds the figure has dropped to 46%.

The original research also demonstrated that cousin marriage roughly doubled the risk of birth defects, though they remained rare, affecting 6% of children born to cousins.

"In just under a decade we've had a significant shift from cousin marriage being, in a sense, a majority activity to now being just about a minority activity," said Dr John Wright, chief investigator of the Born in Bradford research project.
"The effect will be fewer children with congenital anomalies."

Cousin marriage is widespread in Pakistan-administered Kashmir, where many Bradford families originate.
Sometimes a young person in Bradford is married to a cousin in Pakistan, who then comes to live in the UK. But members of the community say there have been inter-generational tensions over this tradition, with some young people firmly rejecting the idea of arranged marriage - and cousin marriage in particular.

"Our generation really fought for it," says one young woman.
"Ten years ago my mum was adamant we would all have cousin marriages but now she doesn't focus on that. I think families realised they couldn't control it. They knew that being in Britain, and being exposed to so many different viewpoints, it is going to change."

The Born in Bradford study originally recruited 12,453 pregnant women without regard to ethnicity between 2007 and 2010, whose children all joined the project when they were born. Their health has been tracked ever since.

Another 2,378 mothers from three inner-city wards were then recruited for a follow-up study between 2016 and 2019. The new research compares them with the 2,317 participants from the same wards in the original cohort.

In both cases, mothers of Pakistani heritage made up between 60% and 65% of the total, and while 62% of these women in the original group were married to a first or second cousin, the figure fell to 46% in the later group.

The fall was even steeper in the fast-growing sub-group of mothers who were born in the UK - from 60% to 36%.
For those educated beyond A-level, the proportion who married a cousin was already lower than average in the first study, at 46%, and has now fallen to 38%.

Although the women included in the latest study are all from less affluent inner-city wards, the researchers say they are still representative of Pakistani-heritage mothers in Bradford as a whole.

Professor of health research, Neil Small, who has been involved with Born in Bradford from the start, says a number of possible explanations for the rapid fall in cousin marriage are now being explored in consultation with the community:
  • Awareness of the risk of congenital anomalies has increased
  • Staying in education longer is influencing young people's choices
  • Shifting family dynamics are changing conversations about marriage between parents and children
  • Changes in immigration rules have made it harder for spouses to move to the UK
One person affected by new immigration rules was Bradford-born Ayesha, who married her first cousin in Pakistan eight years ago and gave birth to their first child the following year.

Her husband was unable to move to the UK until the baby was two. Meanwhile Ayesha had to work long hours as a home care worker to reach a salary threshold introduced in 2012 for anyone wanting to bring a spouse from outside Europe to live in the country.

She thinks cousin marriage is a valuable tradition though, and regrets that it appears to be in decline.
"I don't think my children will marry cousins. They will lose that connection with Pakistan and I feel sad about that," she says.
In fact, two of Ayesha's younger sisters, both in their 20s, have rejected the idea of cousin marriage. One, Salina, recently married a man of her own choice, with her parents' consent.

"I'm outgoing and I want to work and do things with my life. Someone from Pakistan wouldn't accept this at all," she says. "They would never let me live like this. We wouldn't agree on how to raise kids and how to teach them values."
The other sister, Malika, is also planning one day to choose her own husband.

"Before, even if you had an education, you wouldn't be expected to carry on with it, you would have been thinking of marriage," she says. "Now that's changed and the mindset is so different."

She adds that young people today have more opportunities to meet potential partners than their parents ever did, and that social media has helped provide "contact with people outside our parents' eyes".

The Born in Bradford team has made efforts to explain to the community how congenital anomalies come about.
They occur when both parents carry a particular defective gene, which may happen when the parents are unrelated, but is more likely when they are cousins. Anomalies can affect the heart, the nervous system, limbs, the skin or other parts of the body. They are sometimes untreatable and can be fatal.

Dr Aamra Darr, a medical sociologist with the University of Bradford's Faculty of Health Studies, says cousin marriage is a risk factor, but not a cause of congenital anomalies.

She points out that the 2013 Born in Bradford study showed that the risk of married cousins having a baby with a congenital anomaly was similar to that of a white British woman aged 35 or over having a baby with an anomaly, including Down's Syndrome.
However, she says health workers have sometimes told parents of a sick child in the Pakistani community: "It's because you married your cousin."

"It's culture blaming," she says. "You're talking about the politics of race and health - the minority being judged by the majority population."

She says that cousin marriage was once common among the white British population too, citing the case of Charles Darwin, who married his first cousin Emma Wedgwood.

According to Prof Small, about one billion of the world's eight billion people live in societies where cousin marriage is commonplace.
However, it is now rare in the UK.

In the Born in Bradford study of 4,384 white British respondents, only two people were first cousins of their partner, and three were more distantly related.

If a group of teenagers interviewed for BBC Radio 4's Born in Bradford programme is anything to go by, the next generation in the city may be even less open to marrying a cousin.

"People of our generation or even the generation above, don't see it as a very normal thing and we're grossed out by it. So I don't think I'd be willing to marry a cousin from back home," says Nida, 18.

Zaara, who's also 18, says that circumstances have changed since her parents' youth: "It's easier to meet new people nowadays. Say you were from a village in Pakistan, it was easier to meet someone there. But now in Bradford you can meet so many different people, and you can still marry your people, but not someone you're related to."

Eesa, 17, says more people are now aware of the increased risk of congenital anomalies and it makes them less likely to want to marry a relative.

"If you're really romantically into your cousin then you can go for it, but now there isn't as much forcing or pushing of cousin marriage, it's more of a person's preference."

Emari, 17, says her parents both broke off engagements with cousins in Pakistan in order to marry one another - but, if they found a potential fiance for her, she would agree to meet him and take their thoughts into consideration.

"I think I'd let them find me someone - but not a cousin," she says. "My parents know me and they know my type, so they would find me someone nice!"
 
No one really objected at the time to any particular one of Truss' policies
Loads of people, including on here, got retarded about the drop to 19% and 39% income tax rates. Then they cheered when Sunak came along and said "hey wouldn't it be cool if we froze tax allowances" and screwed us all with a massive real terms tax hike.
 
E: I am an idiot. I meant to post this in the police thread.

Staffordshire Police released an "inclusive language" guide:
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4 of the 14 pages are dedicated to "sex, gender and sexuality"

the language around gender changes regularly
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What a joke.
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There's a lot more. Like a page on "do not refer to old people as old", and this
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Some of it is okay stuff but a lot of the no-no words or terms are just simple straight to the point things that make sense for a police officer to say to rely information, for example 'confined to a wheelchair' tells me more than 'wheelchair user' does.
 
E: I am an idiot. I meant to post this in the police thread.

Staffordshire Police released an "inclusive language" guide:
link to pdf
4 of the 14 pages are dedicated to "sex, gender and sexuality"

the language around gender changes regularly
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not all women are biologically female

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Some people may prefer others to refer to them in gender neutral language and use pronouns such as they/their and ze/zir.
It's funny how you always see some variant of this line in DEI materials, but none of them actually has the balls non-gendered gonads to use neopronouns in reality. Even they know it's ridiculous.
 
If any copper called me "straight CIS gendered" and not by my name, "mate" or sir, I'd be happy to respond by calling them a stupid cunt.
 
Some of it is okay stuff but a lot of the no-no words or terms are just simple straight to the point things that make sense for a police officer to say to rely information, for example 'confined to a wheelchair' tells me more than 'wheelchair user' does.
"Wheelchair user" includes munchies and other fakers and people who are just too fat to walk.
 
One of the few things I actually like about Commonwealth-style parliamentarianism is the concept of having a nearly daily or actually daily thing where executive officials and the cabinet or even the PM are hostilely interrogated by the directly elected officials.

Those fuckers should view themselves as under constant investigation for their incessant fuckups, lies, and misconduct.

Of course the UK doesn't make much use of this lately. But it generates some often lulzy video content.
 
The minimum wage is to increase by more than a pound to £11.44 per hour from April next year.

The minimum wage, known officially as the National Living Wage, is currently £10.42 an hour for workers over 23.

But Chancellor Jeremy Hunt has decided the rate will also apply to 21 and 22-year-olds for the first time.

It means a full-time worker aged 23 on the wage would receive a rise worth £1,800 a year. A 21-year-old would see an effective £2,300 annual rise.

The policy change comes ahead of Mr Hunt's Autumn Statement, which will see the chancellor outline the government's latest tax and spending decisions.

Mr Hunt told the Conservative Party conference in October that the minimum wage was set to rise above £11 in April, but the confirmed rises represent a 9.8% increase for over-23s on last year, and a 12.4% jump for workers aged 22 and 21.

The current minimum wage for those aged 21-22 is £10.18 an hour.

The separate National Minimum Wage for 18-20-year-olds will also increase to £8.60 an hour from £7.49, meaning in total, the above-inflation wage hikes will benefit 2.7 million low-paid workers.
Apprentices will also get a rise, with an hourly pay increase of over 20%, going from £5.28 to £6.40 an hour.

The chancellor accepted the proposals in full from the Low Pay Commission, which advises the government on the minimum wage, saying that the Conservatives' target to "end low pay" by lifting the living wage to two-thirds of a measure of average earnings, had now been met.

"The National Living Wage has helped halve the number of people on low pay since 2010, making sure work always pays," Mr Hunt said.

But the move has not been without concern from some in industry. Last year's similar rise led to retail and hospitality businesses voicing worries over higher wage bills.

Minimum wage has taken another large jump upwards. Rumour is there's tax cuts to be announced too but the media are already jumping on the "muh cuts for the biggest earners", as if that's not how percentages work.
 
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