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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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They're Indian. Even on Reddit, they talk about Caste and things like feeling proud that someone like Rishi Sunak, of Indian origin, can do well in the West. They consider their identity as being Indian, I think.
It's called The Cricket Test. That said, I do describe myself as an xth-generation Londoner because my ancestors moved to London quite a few centuries ago from elsewhere in England, which I enjoy pointing out to self proclaimed Londoners who got a train from Cambridge last month and like to generalise about how "nobody" in London is "really" from here.
 
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Are you Cockney/Estuary? I only ask because one of the newer talking points I've seen (after Havering voted Reform) is the 'ethnic cleansing of Cockneys from London'. Alongside this, the Telegraph is posting articles about "London's hidden social housing crisis" and there is open journo discussion about expelling the 41% (ik) of those in zone 1-2 social housing who don't work at all to the outskirts; and giving the housing to young graduates/professionals > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-anti-social-housing-problem/ https://archive.ph/anOYB
(this is also happening the same time some paki family is being thrown out their council house and the left is protesting outside saying noooo saaaaarrr we must let foreigners inherit Zone 1 london housing saaaar)
Even some leftist journos/social media posters have addressed the "we can't just kick out those who don't work in London" topic instead of just ignoring it. I posted reddit threads a while ago with people discussing how shite and unsafe inner city London is and the enclaves where no one works. Everyday I am honestly surprised by how fast the window of acceptable discussion is shifting and how "throw the non-working Bangladeshis out of London council houses" is being published. The working class vs welfare class struggle is getting louder by the day.
 
Everyday I am honestly surprised by how fast the window of acceptable discussion is shifting and how "throw the non-working Bangladeshis out of London council houses" is being published. The working class vs welfare class struggle is getting louder by the day.
Why are Bangladeshis even in social housing?

That was the big question I had after Grenfell. It was a horrible disaster and none of those people should’ve died. But why were so many foreign-born people in social housing anyway (aside from the ones renting privately)? I’ve been wading through the statements of tenants to the enquiry who lived in the Grenfell block and surrounding social housing blocks, and 90% of them are some form of foreigner. Many of them came over in the years from the 70s-90s, yet they’re now in social housing. Why?

No-one born abroad should be in social housing. You come here, you pay your way. Social housing should be for British-born people. I know this gives a road in for kids of foreigners to get social housing then invite their families to live with them, but still. The absolute state of social housing right now is horrifying. Almost nowhere even has a waiting list now, because there are too many people in need of housing. Remove all the foreigners from that equation and you at least ease a bit of pressure from the social housing lists.

I wouldn’t move to Germany, India or Namibia and demand a council flat. You move to someone else’s country, you’re a guest there and you act like it. Pay your way and know that your being there is conditional on you only being a benefit to the host nation. People are coming over here because they see the U.K. as the land where you can make money and live like a king, and somehow expect that to be handed to them on a plate when they get here. All while importing their bullshit from home like factional wars and religious crap. Then our own government turns round and says the forruns have the right to do all that and we’re in the wrong for saying no.

And they wonder why Brits are angry. Fuck’s sake, the country is struggling economically and all successive governments have done is import yet more grabbing hands and mouths to feed. Dickheads, all.
 
Restore's candidate for Makerfield (X), local businesswoman Rebecca Shepherd. She is running on a 'women and girls safety' first ticket, with other priorities including the roads, stopping irresponsible development [this will be RE Wigan megawarehouse], and stopping overdiagnosis in SEND while giving support to those who need it.
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I am proud to announce local businesswoman Rebecca Shepherd as our Restore Britain candidate for the Makerfield constituency.

Rebecca has spent most of her adult life living and working in the Wigan borough, where she has built and run her own small business. Through that experience, she understands first-hand the pressures facing local businesses and working people across the community.

Like so many residents, Rebecca has seen the growing impact of rising costs, increasing legislation, red tape, and bureaucracy, which continue to make everyday life more challenging for ordinary people trying to work hard, support their families, and stay afloat.

Put simply - she understands what local men and women are going through.

This is the type of person we need in politics. Not career politicians, but genuine people with real life experience.

Rebecca is particularly passionate about improving SEND access and support across the local area. Her interest in SEND-friendly activities comes through the work she does within her Community Interest Company, where she has seen first-hand the importance of opportunities, practical support, and activities for people with additional needs.

Rebecca is standing for Makerfield because she believes local people deserve honest representation, accountability, and someone prepared to fight for the interests of the community rather than their own political careers.

I look forward to campaigning with Rebecca, and putting forward Restore Britain’s positive vision for the Makerfield constituency.

Rupert Lowe,

Restore Britain Leader

Our local priorities:

Safer streets for women and girls - tackling the gangs of foreign men who harass and intimidate local women and girls in Ashton, and elsewhere across the constituency and the Wigan Borough.

Fight reckless overdevelopment in areas including South Hindley, and Winstanley - roads, dentists and GPs must come before responsible house building provided for local families.

Improved SEND support for those in genuine need - we must avoid overdiagnosis, but also provide proper investment to those who need it. Including a constituency-wide investment programme for the improvement and maintenance of children’s playgrounds.

Tackle anti-social behaviour in Ashton and elsewhere - no-nonsense, visible policing to crack down on criminal activity in our towns. Parents too must be held responsible for what their children are inflicting on the community. We say enough is enough.

Restore our high streets - push for free car parking to drive footfall, abolish business rates to reinvigorate our town centres and deliver a full investigation into the explosion of vape shops and Turkish barbers for trading standards/immigration non-compliance.

We are in this to win it.
I don't remember if I said Restore running a British woman would be a very funny contrast to super 'woke' pro-women Labour, who are running a man (two, if you count the former). I also agree with Otterly that having women, particularly working women and mothers, in your party, will attract women and make it easier for other women to express their views. (US Politics Sperging but Pratt is running those (god-awful) AI ads that feature only women talking about voting for Pratt but in hush-hush tones until they realise every other woman in the pilates studio is also voting Pratt, which imho is a good strategy to get women voting).
I'm also happy to see someone speaking out for SEND/special needs because the council here (West Mids) keeps closing down day centres for disabled people to make fucking migrant hotels and the hiring of 'carers' is borderline human trafficking and slavery, and they keep ignoring my emails. If Restore come out with policies to change/bring back the old system of disabled care and benefits I know a lot of clients who will vote that way. Taking 'the autism vote' (a very serious political block, obviously) away from Labour/Greens is also amusing if you know how many fucking young 'autistic' people vote Greens, but the Greens have never published an official policy on SEND (they have a report from June 2025 on how much it costs the councils) nor on care for autistic people.
She also looks incredibly woolyback. Her hair also looks like a brushed out curly blow. Incredibly north east physiognomy. I wish every local election was this interesting.

Oh and Birmingham update. (X) We have no fucking council. Everyone's refusing to make alliances or join up, no one, not even the Greens, wants to work with the Islamic Independents either. Labour won't ally with anyone. Tories are useless. Reform sucks. Yakoob thinks hes paki Shelby. There's like one Communist who refuses to work at all. I JUST WANT MY BINS COLLECTED GUYS </3333
Reform, the biggest single party with 23 seats, has already said it does not wish to enter coalition with other parties and intends to sit in opposition.


Meanwhile the 13 Independents and one Workers' Party candidate who won seats are involved in their own discussions to see if enough of them are willing to work together to form a coherent group.


Our most recent inside information suggests at least seven Independents who had rejected the chance to be part of the Independent Candidate Alliance created by Akhmed Yakoob and Shakeel Afsar are close to reaching an agreement to operate as a separate group.

Our most recent inside information suggests at least seven Independents who had rejected the chance to be part of the Independent Candidate Alliance created by Akhmed Yakoob and Shakeel Afsar are close to reaching an agreement to operate as a separate group.


They would be on a mission to campaign for more resources and opportunities in the deprived inner city wards they represent.


We believe that group would be led by Harris Khaliq, Ward End, and Nosheen Khalid, Alum Rock, with support from Shaukat Mahmood, Alum Rock, Taj Uddin, Lozells, Abdul Choudhury, Aston, Jamil Khan, Sparkbrook and Balsall Heath East, and Adnan Hussain, Bordesley Green.


But we understand talks are continuing among themselves and with other Independents.


A separate group might emerge including ICA endorsed candidates including Rinkal Shergill, Holyhead, Rahiaan Abbas, Sparkbrook and Balsall Heath East and Mansuur Ahmed, Nechells.


Quinton and Harborne Independents Sam Forsyth and Martin Brooks have revealed they intend to watch from the sidelines for now to see what combination of councillors emerges from the negotiations.
 
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Also, I thought this interview was deeply weird. The upper-class posho agrees that she doesn't really have the lived experience of the lower classes who live in rough areas, and who might support the opposing protests, when just asked about her viewpoint normally.

But then you get the son(?) who's screaming Fuck the Nazis!

This happened near me last year. 22 blokes, I think they were from Eritrea or some other shithole, having a massive fight with machetes on a main road, in the middle of the day. I say 22, looking at that news story now, they're talking about over 200. I see reports like this around me so much,. Does the woman being interviewed have any concept of what it's like to live anywhere near where stuff like this happens? Does she just live deep in the western part of the city, surrounded by nice hedges and people driving Lambos?

something i immediately noticed about this video was that the child is singing some ridiculous nonsense to the 5th movement of beethovens pastoral symphony. i wonder where that exposure came from?
 
Surprising, I was certain the Greens would hop into bed with them.
My personal theory is that the News Agents 'interview' that resulted in journo Lewis Goodall getting barred from his cafe and bragging about how untouchable he is have made the Bham Greens wary of him and his cabal. He is a fucking nutter and probably radiates 'impossible to work with' energy, not to mention he disrespected the heckin journalist class by chasing Goodall out of Birmingham, and all his fucking money laundering rumours.
Julien Pritchard is the leader of the Greens in Bham and has been for 8 years, he was the first Green councillor back when Greens cared about the environment; the Bham Green councillors are majority white, with three or four lets say 'more assimilated' browns (ie have jobs). They may enter into a coalition with the Independents eventually, and prove me wrong, but the fact they haven't immediately jumped into bed with them, as they were initially rumoured to, I think shows some restraint on Julien's part as he knows that running the council is actually about running Birmingham council and keeping the libraries open, rather than fucking tribal politics and driving sportscars everywhere. I also cannot see Yakoob compromising; it's his way or the high way.
Edit; that and the screaming 'die faggot' at them. Bham Muslims have been protesting homosexuality being mentioned in schools since I was a child.
 
I haven't watched all of this yet. Video by the express, releasing the "bombshell" "starmer files", which seems to be a collation of contradiction between his public statements and his actions while head of the CPS (and in other roles). The key bit that sticks out to me is that the CPS, under Starmer, not only cooperated with the police giving out ASBOs to muslim child rapists in lieu of prosecution, but even drafted out a standardised ASBO notice for the police to use. You don't make form letters for something unless you expect their use to be routine. So basically, Starmer publicly claimed to be leading the fight against rape gangs, but in practice was pretty much avoiding prosecution whenever he could.


I'll upload an archive in a bit.

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Are you Cockney/Estuary? I only ask because one of the newer talking points I've seen (after Havering voted Reform) is the 'ethnic cleansing of Cockneys from London'. Alongside this, the Telegraph is posting articles about "London's hidden social housing crisis" and there is open journo discussion about expelling the 41% (ik) of those in zone 1-2 social housing who don't work at all to the outskirts; and giving the housing to young graduates/professionals > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-anti-social-housing-problem/ https://archive.ph/anOYB
(this is also happening the same time some paki family is being thrown out their council house and the left is protesting outside saying noooo saaaaarrr we must let foreigners inherit Zone 1 london housing saaaar)
Even some leftist journos/social media posters have addressed the "we can't just kick out those who don't work in London" topic instead of just ignoring it. I posted reddit threads a while ago with people discussing how shite and unsafe inner city London is and the enclaves where no one works. Everyday I am honestly surprised by how fast the window of acceptable discussion is shifting and how "throw the non-working Bangladeshis out of London council houses" is being published. The working class vs welfare class struggle is getting louder by the day.
Yes, but the cleansing of Cockneys started a long time ago. Part of it was post-war reconstruction and slum clearances; the governments of the era actively thought urban growth was a negative and pursued a plan to shrink them, like with the 1944 Greater London Plan, and the Distribution of Industry Act 1945 (which killed Birmingham). There's a good (if distastefully anthropological) article from The Economist about Thetford in Norfolk as a microcosm - Cockneys moved there en mass from the late 50s onwards for more spacious council houses and to work in the factories that were deliberately being shifted out of London. This was considered London Overspill, You can see London's population shrinking over the late 20th century (and moving out of the city centre); it only really started to reverse in the 90s.
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This policy resulted in serious issues with labour shortages, to the point that Transport for London started directly recruiting from the West Indies for bus conductors. A big part of it was unappealing jobs (shift work, long hours etc) weren't being seen as desireable and the post-war consensus meant Brits generally were getting bigger expectations about good working conditions, and if you were going to do that work why not do it in a council house somewhere green and spacious? So immigrants were a handy way of filling in the gaps, although not to the same point it is now. And a lot of these immigrants ended up moving into private rentals from the likes of Rachman, so weren't getting impacted by negotiated transfers (basically, the government couldn't pressure you to move out of London if you didn't live in a council house). This policy continued until the Inner Urban Areas Act 1978, when the government finally acknowledged "we probably shouldn't keep trying to cripple our cities". Thatcher then scrapped the industrial side of the policy in 1982.

What further kicked the demographic shift into overdrive was Right to Buy, so council houses inhabited by Londoners could be bought up fairly cheaply, and then with the property boom, sold off to buy a nicer more spacious place somewhere green, while at the same time council house building basically stopped.
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Then in the 90s you also start really seeing truly mass migration (and the 2004 London Plan explicitly acknowledged they wanted London's population to grow). With a new lack of social housing in London, you end up with people fighting over the scraps (so generally speaking, immigrants with lots of children, or newly arrived asylum seekers, got prioritised over white working class Londoners as they were less "urgently in need"). So simultaneously a stick (no council housing for you) and a carrot (if you currently live in council housing, why not buy it, then sell up and move to a nicer place in the Home Counties?). And thus a really sudden demographic shift.
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There's also the other aspects with the rising cost of living, so a "respectable" working class person who can't qualify for many forms of income support/housing benefit finds themselves unable to afford London at all, and you end up in the peverse situation where much of London gets split between wealthy people and unemployed council tenants. Inner London schools in places with low levels of social tenants are shuttering because nobody in the area is having enough children; they can't afford to. Urban planners in the 40s certainly weren't saying "we should replace the white population of London with Johnny Foreigner", it's a story of compounding unintended consequences.

A lot of the issues people have with London - that it's simultaneously inhabited by an out of touch wealthy elite, and a load of poor foreigners and their descendants - come from almost a century of trying to buck break the city to level up other parts of the country, failing to do that, and creating a demographic storm instead.
 
Quotes from Burnhams speech today:

“Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, is speaking now.

He says they are celebrating a decade of devolution in the north.

But he says more, big changes are needed.

And he turns to Makerfield.

“Makerfield is no ordinary by election. I’m getting plenty of advice about what I should do – the main piece being, ‘For God’s sake, get some new running shorts.’

I believe the byelection is very necessary.
In my view, the time has come for a much bigger debate about how politics needs to change if it is to work properly for the north of England, because it doesn’t, it doesn’t. And this is what we’ve got to focus on.
People are losing faith in politics more than anything. That’s what people’s votes were saying on Thursday 7 May.
They deserve a bigger response than politicians have given them before, and that’s what I intend to provide in this by election like no other.”

Burnham sets out what he calls his “core argument”.

“My core argument is this.
Britain has been on the wrong path, 40 years on the wrong path, a path that has damaged communities across the north.
The deindustrialisation of the 1980s was devastating for places across Makerfield like Ashton-in-Makerfield … You know exactly what I am talking about. The draining away of economic, social and political power from these places left adrift. That’s what happened.
That deindustrialisation was then compounded by deregulation, privatisation in the 90s and austerity in the 2010s. It all adds up to 40 years of neoliberalism that have not been kind to the north of England – 40 years of trickle-down economics that did not, in the end, trickle down very much at all to Platt Bridge or Hindley.
In fact, that system has siphoned wealth out of those places and into the hands of people for whom life was already very good.
It created an economy that didn’t work for most working people. It led to the loss of good jobs, the decline of our high streets, and the neglect of our towns. It led to people paying over the odds for the daily basics energy, housing, water, transport.
And in the 2000s, and particularly in the 2010s, our councils across the north of England were stripped of the resource and power to do anything about it.
They just don’t have the agency that they should have to protect people from these changes. And that’s the broken state of local government in England that we see right now, particularly felt in councils across across the north.”

Towards the end of his speech, Burnham addressed the Brexit issue.

Referring to how he thought further devolution could help constituencies like Makerfield, he said:

“It will bring people back together, get places like Makerfield working and move us beyond some of the divisive debates of the last decade.
My view is that Brexit has been damaging, but I also believe the last thing we should do right now is rerun those arguments.
Britain will be stuck in a permanent rut if we’re just constantly arguing and people are pulling away from each other.
It is time, surely, isn’t it, to bring people back together, to focus on what we’ve got in common, to get the growth coming to all places. That is what we need in this moment. And it’s really important that, whatever comes out of this byelection, there’s a more unifying feeling about the change that we need to work towards.
I am not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect the decision that was made at the referendum, and it’s going to undermine everything that I’ve said about strengthening democracy if we don’t respect that vote.
If we are to unify communities and the country, it means focusing on the big economic challenges we have – the structural problems that I’ve been talking about, the fact that we gave away so many of the levers of economic power when we deregulated and privatised.”

This is quite a forceful way of shutting down claims that, if he were to be elected MP for Makerfield and then Labour leader and PM, Burnham would put Britain on a journey to rejoining the EU.

To be expected I suppose, but he mentions everything except immigration.

It’s delusional to completely ignore it and I hope Reform - damp squib as they are - take the seat.

It’s the typical ‘old Labour’ socialist line, right though some of his points are. The key point is how all the things mentioned have been compounded by shoveling a load of third world parasites into the mix. It is THE issue and only once they are removed can we get to the damage that austerity and the loss of industry has had on these areas.
 
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I am not proposing that the UK considers rejoining the EU. I respect the decision that was made at the referendum, and it’s going to undermine everything that I’ve said about strengthening democracy if we don’t respect that vote.
He's backtracking because it's polling badly. He's said what he wants plenty.
The Manchester mayor said “the only thing I’ve launched is a debate” and then went on to declare that he believed Britain should go back into the EU in his lifetime. He also set out his priorities for a Budget, saying “I would look very seriously at land value taxation” and “I would look at council tax revaluation” as ways to raise revenue. Asked about Britain’s role in Europe he said: “Long term, I’m going to say it, I want to rejoin. I hope in my lifetime I see this country rejoin the European Union.”
 
The deindustrialisation of the 1980s was devastating for places across Makerfield like Ashton-in-Makerfield
He's not wrong, although that's rather timely because as I was just saying, a lot of the industry was forcibly shifted out of Midlands manufacturing hubs to satiate the North. The problem is, you can't really reindustrialise the North very easily. Modern manufacturing doesn't need the same number of bodies (those it does need tend to be higher skilled), labour and energy costs are much higher here than elsewhere in the world, and manufacturers also get hamstrung by various environmental regulations and the like.

That's not to say it's not worth trying, but it'd need a lot of legwork to make British industry competitive (outside of certain areas we do very well in, generally tech things).
 
Taking 'the autism vote' (a very serious political block, obviously) away from Labour/Greens is also amusing if you know how many fucking young 'autistic' people vote Greens, but the Greens have never published an official policy on SEND (they have a report from June 2025 on how much it costs the councils) nor on care for autistic people.
Will she take that block from them or will she become their number one enemy due to her being against over-diagnosis? A lot of those L/G autistic people are just spoiled and poorly socialised and are exactly who would lose their diagnosis if a sensible policy was put in place.
 
A controversial take but I think history will be kinder to him than people are today. Because in the longer context of the historical view he will be seen not as an individual disaster, but simply the tail end of a longer drawn out disaster. A last Roman Emperor long into the decline if you will, a man who got handed a hot potato and didn't know what to do with it.
If we compare him to the last Roman Emperors we'd have to determine which one he is, is Kier Romulus Augustulus, the last Western Emperor who was deposed by invading barbarians? or Constantine XI Palaiologos, the last Eastern Emperor who did everything he could to save his Empire and when the walls of Constantinople were finally breached, tore off his robe and charged directly into the Ottoman soldiers never to be seen again.

Kier is likely the former.
 
David Bull has resigned as the chairman of Reform, being replaced by Lee Anderson.

If it is because Bull has been chosen as the candidate in Makerfield, they are pissing away the seat.
 
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