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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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The police are throwing the "Actually AI did it" in response to the Israeli teams fans being barred from coming to Birmingham.

I'm so pissed off at this, it's the most blatant lie used to cover their tracks and on the absolute off chance they're telling the truth then AI should be completely barred from the entire Police all the way down to Doreen the receptionist needing help to write emails.

But they won't bar it because they know it didn't really happen, it's just a way to prevent a lot of officers from being struck off and losing their pensions for defending Israeli fans from potentially being massacred by Muslims.
If AI really did it then the person who let that AI make the decision without checking what it was spewing out wants sacking.

There’s serious legal ramifications to letting fucking Copilot make decisions for you.

At the end of the day the person who signs off that decision is responsible and not Grok.

Why are journalists going along with this and not pushing this simple point? Does Chat GPT write there articles?
 
If AI really did it then the person who let that AI make the decision without checking what it was spewing out wants sacking.

There’s serious legal ramifications to letting fucking Copilot make decisions for you.
GDPR makes it illegal to do discrimination by algorithm in many cases. They should be sued for this
 
Because "It's not actually a loan haha you won't even notice it, really you should take the most you can get because it's not even really a loan." was actual advice all teachers were told to give to their students about university.
I got told the same shit. Something just stuck out about it. Like no I have never been in debt or owed anyone money beyond 'I'll give you the tenner back next time I see you' type shit and I'm not going to change that on the promise that if I do then there's a chance I might be able to apply for a chance at a higher paying job. If you have to put yourself in life long debt to get a higher paying job did you really end up better off? Realistically if you're paying 100k+ wouldn't you be financially better off by just buying a house to rent it out and getting a non uni job instead. I just fucking hate the idea of owing people money especially as we got told shit like 'oh you don't have to pay it off at all unless you earn over a certain amount' as if there are any loans that don't expect repayment.
 
If you have to put yourself in life long debt to get a higher paying job did you really end up better off?
It’s something you need to weigh up given what you spend on your education and what career you go into. A PhD is almost never a path to earning money. The right school, the right degree and the right classmates to network with might be.
I’d do things very differently if I had my time again
 
It’s something you need to weigh up given what you spend on your education and what career you go into.
That most people are pressured into deciding on when they are literally still children.

I get why but idk asking a 17 year old to make serious and well reasoned life choices that will very easily result in them in life long debt is an interesting choice.
 
That most people are pressured into deciding on when they are literally still children.

I get why but idk asking a 17 year old to make serious and well reasoned life choices that will very easily result in them in life long debt is an interesting choice.
Yeah I agree. 17 year old me was a clueless idiot. It’s just wrong that kids get Into so much debt for education. It’s like starting life out way beyond the start line.
 
A PhD is almost never a path to earning money.
HA HA HA YEAH I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT!
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It's mostly about access and being taken seriously. Same reason I went for chartership. If you've just got a Masters where I work, you are fundamentally not taken seriously by the living fossils that I work with. That doesn't translate to a pay spike, but it does translate to better job access and people being more willing to give you a shot .
 
I dont care about some Israeli football fans being prevented from visiting the UK.

What I do care about are our police forces bending over backwards to appease the "muslim communities" and their shitcunt "community leaders". This filth should be removed from our country, not dictating who gets to attend football matches.
 
17 year olds used to be wise enough to own their own homes and have a family. While I'm not going to say they're fully mature by any stretch. They are capable of being fathers and husbands of good standing if the environment encourages it. Unfortunately the climate we live in tells them to live hedonistic life styles, take out life long loans and enjoy short term luxury for long term grind.

Can I get some rainbows? I think we're on the rise to the bong version of Hitler appearing. Reforms massive rise and then total collapse is one hell of a red pill. Lowe is pushing the overton window massively. And I feel like we're on the first steps to Keith Hitler taking power. Might not be for many years, but some sort of authoritarian government that cleans house and removes any one who gets in the way seems to be building. People are ready for a radical solution and someone with the right charisma could turn this country over in a year. And the people would love him for it.
 
17 year olds used to be wise enough to own their own homes and have a family. While I'm not going to say they're fully mature by any stretch. They are capable of being fathers and husbands of good standing if the environment encourages it. Unfortunately the climate we live in tells them to live hedonistic life styles, take out life long loans and enjoy short term luxury for long term grind.
This is utter nonsense nostalgia for a fantasy land that has never existed. These trite sayings have been thrown around since the beginning of recorded history, and if you want a more contemporary example look up Modern Husband by Fielding.

If you genuinely believe that 17 year olds were somehow wiser, upstanding, and more responsible in the past boy have I got a bridge to sell you.
 
HA HA HA YEAH I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT!
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It's mostly about access and being taken seriously. Same reason I went for chartership. If you've just got a Masters where I work, you are fundamentally not taken seriously by the living fossils that I work with. That doesn't translate to a pay spike, but it does translate to better job access and people being more willing to give you a shot .
I live in this strange world where the company brags about how many MDs and PhDs they have and then has zero clear path for said PhDs to rise up through. The MDs can earn serious money (but you’ll be on call 24/7 forever) but not the PhDs. They don’t even hire fresh PhDs because they know they’re generally clueless ego monsters whereas at least the MDs have had the humility beaten int them in medical school and practice.
So no PhD advantage. Which I get, it’s a useless bit of paper, but the hypocrisy is amusing.
If I had my time again I would go a totally different route.
17 year olds used to be wise enough to own their own homes and have a family.
I don’t think many 17 year olds have ever been homeowners. It used to be you’d live with parents until you’d saved up. They were certainly expected to be adults much sooner, but with a simpler and narrower set of choices to navigate. Family, job, house is kind of an obvious path anyone with a bit of common sense can take - understanding what the job market is likely to be for x degree in three / four years time isn’t so easy.
It’s all so mixed - we coddle kids in may important ways yet we also ask them to be very adult in others.
Same I just grew up in enough of a deprived area to have a fucking deadly fear of anything involving debt or lending.
The thing that really hit me like a brick when I got to uni, just turned 18, was how different my path there had been to the other kids on the course. Every single one of them was at minimum a grammar school kid, and most were from fee paying, a few were landed gentry types. They had a few laughs at my accent. But it was that hidden advantage that shook me.
They’d been expected to go to uni. They had families who’d all gone to university, and professionally employed parents who knew the system. What they’d taken for granted and been tutored for was something I’d just sort of done my best and hoped for. No help in filling out forms or discussion on which degree, no alumni to talk to.
They’d all had access to that kind of world, and it really messed with my head for a while - not the physical trappings of being wealthy but that real advantage of having a structure around you to manoeuvre you through life in the ‘right’ way. It’s such a huge advantage and one I’d never seen before that point. And they didn’t have to work a job in a rough pub to be able to afford food, and they had jobs lined up and the didn’t worry about the rent or books or if they had enough money for the photocopier.
 
This is utter nonsense nostalgia for a fantasy land that has never existed. These trite sayings have been thrown around since the beginning of recorded history, and if you want a more contemporary example look up Modern Husband by Fielding.

If you genuinely believe that 17 year olds were somehow wiser, upstanding, and more responsible in the past boy have I got a bridge to sell you.
You used to leave school at 14 and you were expected to get a full time job. And to pay into the pot. Where I come from the family would rally together to build the late teens their own homes as soon as they married a girl. The 16-20 age range was expected to act like adults and pull their fair share of the house hold. And if they couldn't they would get a smack round the ear. I have stories of family members being fired in that age range and having to hide in the woods all day then come home to hide they had got fired. Then when their pay check didn't come in.. they got what for and told to go find a bloody job or else. No one was going to be a lay about under this roof.

As otterly said, life was simpler so it was easy to get on the right path. But the right path started right out of school and most kids didn't go to school until they were 16/18. We used to use education to serve a purpose. If you were a bit thick you didn't need a full education, you needed the basics and then to go do a job suitable to you. Now Janette the hair dresser goes through 20 years of schooling to trim hair and gossip about the local goings on. It makes no damn sense.
I'd be an electrician. Then I'd fuck off to Australia lol.
Could you handle a Koala? They look like ewoks.
 
This is utter nonsense nostalgia for a fantasy land that has never existed. These trite sayings have been thrown around since the beginning of recorded history, and if you want a more contemporary example look up Modern Husband by Fielding.

If you genuinely believe that 17 year olds were somehow wiser, upstanding, and more responsible in the past boy have I got a bridge to sell you.
I had a house and a family at 17, married and everything. We rented, as did everyone else I knew because no-one could ever afford a mortgage and we knew debt was a folly. Catalogues were the scourge of the estate, that and the Provvie and the Mutual man (loans, pay monthly to buy at extortionate price types). My home was run on accounting for literally every penny. Husband worked a manufacturing job and still does, at the same company, because they make shit that the country needs, for good prices, quality work, and fast. He had six months of training on an apprentice type wage before they took him on. This was in the 90s.

My best mate went the stay single and get as many credit cards and loans as you can road. She’s been bankrupt twice and is heading towards a third. She’s still bought yet another house.

When you’re at a certain income level, you know renting is your only option. Striving for a mortgage and putting yourself in massive debt is fucking stupid. Sending your kids to extended schooling and partying for three years for a massive debt is fucking stupid too. I’ve no idea where the younger generations are learning about their financials, but if you’ve half a brain you avoid debt like the plague. Fuck having a fancy house and fancy clothes, security of your financials, keeping a roof over your head and food in your belly are the most important things. How can anyone past the age of 14 not know this? Are there entire generations who believe money actually falls from the sky and you should always look good even if you’re starving? Tf is the brain on these people?

Debt is always to be avoided. Never place yourself in a position where you owe anyone anything if you can help it, because it gives them power over you. Maybe too few of these people lived in shit areas or grew up in poverty, I dunno.
 
I'd be an electrician. Then I'd fuck off to Australia lol.
Man. You do not want to be stuck in a fucking cramped unventilated attic with 0 air movement. Even in English summer let alone a fucking aussie one. Yea you might go in as an electrician but you'd end up being a plumber from the amount of sweat.
They’d been expected to go to uni.
The thing that really made me hate uni and that sort of shit is hearing all my friends talking about the best university and the entry requirements. You look at the 'best' unis and they're not actually good they just only accept you for a degree course if you already have a masters so that they know 99% you'll pass. So many of those places don't have a high pass rate because they're good they just have high pass rates because they only ever accept people they believe will pass. It's not about promise or intelligence or anything like that. It's not trying to help those that show promise to fully realise it. It's just the house fixing the odds and betting against itself knowing it will never lose.
I had a house and a family at 17, married and everything.
I knew people that did the same thing. Admittedly sans house. Pregnant at 16 and married before 20. They weren't mature. If anything they were less mature because they didn't have time to grow as people. They didn't grow up or mature. They just did the surface level things that look mature. They were mature in the same way that trannies are women. Surface level and even then only if you squint.
 
continuing support for Nigel Farage and Reform UK
newbong on the 'log, time for my arbitrarily bad take

Restore have all but confirmed Reform's electoral victory in the next general election. Fact is, while Restore have clear support from the "online right", this translates in no way to actual support from the widespread general public. Reform also now have a further-right position next to them, which gives them further credibility to the public as "non-extreme", and scapegoat with Restore whenever Reform are told they are racist etc.

That's not to say Restore isn't useful to the overall cause of changing the UK for the better, as Lowe has already proven by running his independent inquiry (as he has the resources to do so, unlike most people). But this leads me to believe, as Lowe himself has stated, that Restore is much more of a "movement" than an actual viable political majority in parliament. They can certainly do good, and can have establishment presence, but they will always be on the fringe, and it seems like their place of action will always be from the outside as a pressure group.

It's also worth pointing out that Restore suffers from the same point of bring a one-man driving force behind Lowe, like Reform detractors will attribute to Farage. The difference here is that Farage has garnered establishment support from experienced politicians. That may be the nicest thing ever said about the Tory defectors on this site (or anywhere to be frank), but the point is that in the public eye the conservative turnover has added to the credibility of Reform's ability to govern. You don't accomplish policy by being a politisperg, you have to operate in the real world, and put together the people who have connections and can make things happen.

TLDR; Unlike Restore, Reform has clear, widespread political dominance that has manifested in polling and both online and offline, and likely has the connections and establishment support to actually get in to power.

On another note, its interesting to consider the Conservative Party's future. Their leadership is so behind the curve on just about everything that its safe to say they have no doubt removed themselves from power for the next decade. But their networks and coffers still exist, and so do the powerful people that would like to see them win (or rather their interests represented institutionally). A safe assumption could be that in decades to come the Conservatives will eventually merge with Reform, like how the Conservative and Unionist parties merged in yesteryear.
 
but if you’ve half a brain you avoid debt like the plague
I would be inclined to disagree with this. The British way of handling debts and bankruptcies actually makes it very easy to use debt to your advantage. If you have family backing, it is very easy to abuse DROs and bankruptcies whilst not losing anything.
 
Man. You do not want to be stuck in a fucking cramped unventilated attic with 0 air movement. Even in English summer let alone a fucking aussie one. Yea you might go in as an electrician but you'd end up being a plumber from the amount of sweat.

The thing that really made me hate uni and that sort of shit is hearing all my friends talking about the best university and the entry requirements. You look at the 'best' unis and they're not actually good they just only accept you for a degree course if you already have a masters so that they know 99% you'll pass. So many of those places don't have a high pass rate because they're good they just have high pass rates because they only ever accept people they believe will pass. It's not about promise or intelligence or anything like that. It's not trying to help those that show promise to fully realise it. It's just the house fixing the odds and betting against itself knowing it will never lose.

I knew people that did the same thing. Admittedly sans house. Pregnant at 16 and married before 20. They weren't mature. If anything they were less mature because they didn't have time to grow as people. They didn't grow up or mature. They just did the surface level things that look mature. They were mature in the same way that trannies are women. Surface level and even then only if you squint.
Can confirm the electrician thing (qualified, works for a while). You’ll not be fixing a bit of wiring in a nice old lady’s house, you’ll be freezing your arse off on a new build estate having to fit electrics to entire streets in a timeframe you couldn’t meet even if you had half the amount of houses to do. And boiling in a loft. And up to your knees in water and shit at industrial sites or farms or whatever. It doesn’t pay badly and it’s less hard on your body than being a brickie or whatever, but you’ll still be bashing bits out of walls and climbing up and down ladders all day. It’s not an easy job by any means.

Rumour has it that unis now have to spend the first year bringing students up to academic levels they previously expected from A-level students, because school qualifications are dumbed down. Rumour also has it that research usually works on the premise that you have the answer you want, and your ‘research’ is to make that answer true. I’ve heard of more than one postgrad at my old uni having qualifications or grant money held off until their research was changed to more agreeable results, shall we say. The amount of ‘theory’ rather than actual documentation of research is strangling academia, but this is what universities want now. Kids that they can rattle off the same courses to, who will pay top dollar then fuck off, while making the department’s research look good. They have no interest in developing minds or teaching people how to think critically and research well. My Masters’ research training was ten minutes of a lecturer telling us she was ill and to read the few pages of bullet points she gave us. Most of us paid out of our own pockets for that. A lot of unis are grift factories (and now debt factories too).

I don’t doubt there’s the usual family and estate drama from young families. Maybe I’m still 17 in my head, but most other families on the estate where I lived were young and got along just fine, give or take the inevitable hiding from the Provvie man if they were stupid?

I always thought the dawn of things like Big Brother had a shit influence. Suddenly everyone seemed to think they had a right to judge everyone around them, overtly and vocally to their faces. There was always a bit of keeping up with the Joneses, but things got really nasty really fast. It was weird. Social media has only made it far worse. People seem to be more worried about how they appear than how stable their lives are. Fucking weird.
 
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