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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.
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It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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>the mother is Nigerian
Stopped reading right there. Who gives a fuck.
 
My privilege? I think you have totally mis-understood my post.
Modern medicine saves lives during the process of pregnancy and childbirth and that is fucking awesome.
Women being able to squat out babies in fields and then returning to harvesting crops has never been a thing. Because humans by becoming upright creatures with brain size proportionally larger than most mammals made childbirth a dangerous undertaking.
 
Death Grip said:
I am fully pro-choice to which means that the woman carrying the fetus gets to decide if she wants to continue the pregnancy. No-one else.
At the same time, I think understanding the potential consequences of what pregnancy and childbirth can do to one's body is hard for anyone to understand before they have been through it. So my ultimate answer in this case would be allow the pregnancy to continue with way above normal support offered.
As to pregnancy and childbirth being an instinctual natural process, don't make me laugh. Without modern day medical care 1 in 20 women died in childbirth, never mind the fetus. The reason women don't in modern medical scanarios is because of medical interventions when the body isn't doing what it should.



One of the Rotherham rapists was prosecuted using DNA evidence from an aborted fetus so this abortion would not get any one off the hook.
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Are you a man or a woman? Women died in childbirth from dr's diseases like not even washing their nasty hands. Many women have been known to carry a child and give birth unaware they were pregnant the whole time (the vegetative lady in AZ). Babies were born in perfect health with no prenatal checkups or vitamins. And Cesarean section surgery is not a modern concept.
 
This is being barely reported in the UK, and the Judge has been careful to put so many reporting restrictions in place that British Journalists want nothing to do with it.

That will change if it starts to get traction abroad, if say Fox News make a big issue of it expect a Passive Aggressive story on BBC online in a few days, as the judiciary start using their back channels to the press to express their displeasure at being questioned.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they went after a few prominent activists who made this an issue on Twitter such as Caroline Farrow, who's manage to make time despite being stalked by my favorite legal eagle Lolcow Steven Hayden, to rally the public against it.
 
I'm a Britfag and I haven't heard or seen this story mentioned anywhere. I'm also quite surprised by the moral outrage displayed here based on general sentiments towards blacks and the mentally impaired.

If it's widely agreed here that the Hartley Hooligans and Jaxon Strong should've been euthanized at birth then is this really so horrible? I see "Somalians have an IQ of 70" spouted here regularly but the possibility of one less Nigerian being born is a tragedy to you?
 
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I'm a Britfag and I haven't heard or seen this story mentioned anywhere. I'm also quite surprised by the moral outrage displayed here based on general sentiments towards blacks and the mentally impaired.

If it's widely agreed here that the Hartley Hooligans and Jaxon Strong should've been euthanized at birth then is this really so horrible? I see "Somalians have an IQ of 70" spouted here regularly but the possibility of one less Nigerian being born is a tragedy to you?
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Not every one here has the paradoxal views. You have a myriad of special needs haters and racists on here. And even a female hater. (A man who knows nothing of female physiology or biology but commenting like he does and has a right to dictate to women). Really, the crux of this situation is individual freedom over state health governance. It’s a slippery slope. If the government forces their will on special needs people, then what’s to stop killing elderly. Or ethic cleansing of black people or other ethnic people? Or killing special needs people?
 
Ubiquitous said:
I'm a Britfag and I haven't heard or seen this story mentioned anywhere. I'm also quite surprised by the moral outrage displayed here based on general sentiments towards blacks and the mentally impaired.

If it's widely agreed here that the Hartley Hooligans and Jaxon Strong should've been euthanized at birth then is this really so horrible? I see "Somalians have an IQ of 70" spouted here regularly but the possibility of one less Nigerian being born is a tragedy to you?
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It's the precedent it would set had it gone through, more than anything. If they can do it to a "poor, downtrodden Nigerian migrant woman" you can bet they'd be willing to do it to someone else.
 
It isn't that she doesn't want an abortion. Or that she is catholic. She has the mental age of 6 and severe mental illness too. She cannot make medical decisions. Someone with her level of intellectual disability cannot consent to sex so basically her mum is pushing against the psychiatrists dealing with the mental health fallout so her mentally 6 y/o daughter is forced to give birth to her rapists baby so she can have a new child to focus on. This is not the womans choice this is her mothers choice. She's decided that she can ignore the harm to her daughter and make her act as a surrogate so she can have a new baby to neglect untill it's sexually abused into a pregnancy too. The way this story is being reported is borderline hysterical. 'Court Finds in Favour of Drs in Case of Disputed Care' or 'Mad Mother Overruled in Attempt to Force Mentally Handicapped Daughter to Birth Rape Baby' just didnt have the same horrifying value as 'JUDGES ORDER FORCED ABORTION'.
 
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It isn't that she doesn't want an abortion. Or that she is catholic. She has the mental age of 6 and severe mental illness too. She cannot make medical decisions. Someone with her level of intellectual disability cannot consent to sex so basically her mum is pushing against the psychiatrists dealing with the mental health fallout so her mentally 6 y/o daughter is forced to give birth to her rapists baby so she can have a new child to focus on. This is not the womans choice this is her mothers choice. She's decided that she can ignore the harm to her daughter and make her act as a surrogate so she can have a new baby to neglect untill it's sexually abused into a pregnancy too. The way this story is being reported is borderline hysterical. 'Court Finds in Favour of Drs in Case of Disputed Care' or 'Mad Mother Overruled in Attempt to Force Mentally Handicapped Daughter to Birth Rape Baby' just didnt have the same horrifying value as 'JUDGES ORDER FORCED ABORTION'.
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I find it fascinating and frightening that people can somehow rationalize the idea that the state should have any say in this whatsoever.
 
Unog said:
I find it fascinating and frightening that people can somehow rationalize the idea that the state should have any say in this whatsoever.
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I find it horrifying that people think parents should have such ultimate rights over their children that they can deny them medical care for selfish reasons. Who would you suggest arbitrates when the opinions of medical professionals and parents disagree? Should kids die from totally treatable illnesses cause their parents are anti-transfusion fundies?
 
GarthMarenghisDankplace said:
I find it horrifying that people think parents should have such ultimate rights over their children that they can deny them medical care for selfish reasons. Who would you suggest arbitrates when the opinions of medical professionals and parents disagree? Should kids die from totally treatable illnesses cause their parents are anti-transfusion fundies?
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This is the sort of thing that, while someone might think it's a good idea at the time, it comes back around to bite them in the ass.

Today it's this Nigerian woman being forced to have an abortion, tomorrow it's sterilization-as-punishment.
 
Unog said:
This is the sort of thing that, while someone might think it's a good idea at the time, it comes back around to bite them in the ass.

Today it's this Nigerian woman being forced to have an abortion, tomorrow it's sterilization-as-punishment.
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Just remove the fact that the medical procedure in this instance is abortion. What do you think should happen in cases where Drs and parents disagree? This isn't about forced abortion it's about where decision making power rests when people, due to age or disability, cannot make the decisions themselves.
 
GarthMarenghisDankplace said:
Just remove the fact that the medical procedure in this instance is abortion. What do you think should happen in cases where Drs and parents disagree?
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Considering that what they tried to do is essentially remove the ability for this to even be relevant at all, I don't see the point in debating whether or not a parent or legal guardian should have more of a say in a patient's treatment than the doctors.

GarthMarenghisDankplace said:
This isn't about forced abortion it's about where decision making power rests when people, due to age or disability, cannot make the decisions themselves.
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You keep telling yourself that.
 
GarthMarenghisDankplace said:
It isn't that she doesn't want an abortion. Or that she is catholic. She has the mental age of 6 and severe mental illness too. She cannot make medical decisions. Someone with her level of intellectual disability cannot consent to sex so basically her mum is pushing against the psychiatrists dealing with the mental health fallout so her mentally 6 y/o daughter is forced to give birth to her rapists baby so she can have a new child to focus on. This is not the womans choice this is her mothers choice. She's decided that she can ignore the harm to her daughter and make her act as a surrogate so she can have a new baby to neglect untill it's sexually abused into a pregnancy too. The way this story is being reported is borderline hysterical. 'Court Finds in Favour of Drs in Case of Disputed Care' or 'Mad Mother Overruled in Attempt to Force Mentally Handicapped Daughter to Birth Rape Baby' just didnt have the same horrifying value as 'JUDGES ORDER FORCED ABORTION'.
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Do you have proof of that? Because a 6 year old can understand the care and making of babies. Many 6 year olds babysit and look after younger children. Again, you (the state) ALLOWED her to be violated without consent and you now are taking away her consent with this abortion. The article said SHE wanted the baby and it was healthy.

GarthMarenghisDankplace said:
Just remove the fact that the medical procedure in this instance is abortion. What do you think should happen in cases where Drs and parents disagree? This isn't about forced abortion it's about where decision making power rests when people, due to age or disability, cannot make the decisions themselves.
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Tell me, are the DOCTORS washing, bathing, teaching and caretaking the special needs person? She has a guardian and that guardian and SHE agrees. Only the courts are bucking this. Like I said, the courts are doing more with this than they do with substance abuse women. The state didn't protect her from being raped now they want to push their will on her. If she DID want the abortion, everyone would be falling over themselves ecstatic. Bottom line, it's her choice. 6 year olds aren't as "stupid' as you think they are.
And this isn't about a transfusion, it's about an abortion.

www.apa.org

Cognitive and Social Skills to Expect From 6 to 8 Years

Better memory and ability to internalize moral rules at age 6-8 make it possible to teach problem solving. Includes detailed tips to improve children's social and emotional skills.
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"Continue to develop social skills like empathy and compassion ..."
 
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Man who poured acid on himself in court dies

Marc Marshall poured a noxious substance on to his face after being sentenced for fraud offences.
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A defendant who doused himself with acid in the dock of a courtroom has died in hospital.

Marc Marshall, 55, poured a noxious substance on to his face shortly after being sentenced for fraud offences at Inner London Crown Court in April.

He was taken to hospital in a critical condition and died this morning.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said defendants' belongings were now kept "out of reach" as part of enhanced court security procedures.

It said it was working with police to investigate how the liquid was brought into court.

Marshall, who was on bail, was carrying a metal water bottle - although CCTV footage is believed to have shown that he had sipped from it as he passed through security at the entrance to the building.

He admitted a series of cheque fraud offences involving £135,000 and was heard to wail and scream when the judge sentenced him to two years and four months in prison.

According to one person present, the defendant's face went white and there was a smell of acid.

"It looked like he had glue on his skin," the witness said.

A female dock officer was also injured.

The case had already been delayed because Marshall suffered serious medical problems after stabbing himself in the neck when he was arrested by police in 2016.

A spokesperson for the MoJ said: "The safety and security of all court users is our priority.

"Since the incident in April we have reviewed search processes and now make sure defendants' property is stored securely and out of reach while they are in the dock."

Under the new security rules, defendants' belongings are placed into a sealed recyclable property bag and those who need a drink have to ask the court first.

The Met Police said Marshall's next of kin had been notified, a post-mortem examination would take place in due course and his death was being treated as "unexplained".

An investigation by the Prison and Probation Ombudsman has also been launched.
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London is getting so bad people are now splashing acid on themselves.
 
Acid is one helluva weapon
It doesn't always work, but when it does its very painful and makes for great headlines.
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more in the U.S but then again we have loads of the much simpler guns laying around.
 
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